Disappointing that ESM Goh would defend high Ministerial salaries even as 4G leadership remains a mediocre bunch

ESM Goh

Goh Chok Tong was reportedly quoted in an audio recording as saying that PAP Ministers are not paid enough, and people who earn S$500,000 annually are “mediocre”.

If that was true, it will be such a sad day for our country, and a huge insult to the many people who work hard, put in serious efforts and fend for their families but fall short of his S$500,000 annual income benchmark.

Politics is much, much more than contest at earning millions of dollars. Truly worthy politicians are either thrown up through very challenging circumstances or imbibed with years of high ideals and they yearn to doing something worthwhile for their countries at the highest national level. Singapore under the PAP government has mistakenly churned out, at best, outstanding administrators into lousy Ministers.

Our people are paying the prices for it across so many fronts, from high costs of living to depressed wages for our workers to lesser university places to delay and delay CPF withdrawal to more and more elderly citizens eking out a miserable living scavenging for empty drink cans to sell for pittance and selling tissue paper and much, much more.

From what Minister Mentor has said, and despite his years in politics, he obviously didn’t quite understand that. Truly worthy politicians are a very special breed of people with different values, expectations and contributions. Singaporeans deserve truly worthy politicians and not just only the book smart types who are already earning very high salaries politicians.

Yes, we must not underpay our politicians. But if multi-million dollar salaries are a motivator and a deciding factor for people to venture into the political arena, I say let us be very careful because we are likely to be getting the wrong type of people from the start. Our example of paying politicians by the millions of dollars annually is definitely way out of line and sanity.

Angela Merkel doesn’t need to earn $10 million dollars a year in order to be in politics. Neither does Xi Jin Ping, Shinzo Abe, Moon Jae-In, Thersea May, Emmanuel Macron, Barack Obama, Malcolm Turnbull and other world leaders.

Everybody is gifted differently with different strengths. To use their income as a proxy for their abilities is so obviously flawed. To Goh Chok Tong, I will say this to you. I will consider it at best that you have been living in your ivory tower for far too long until you are now so disconnected with ground realities. At worse, you have demented.

A kangaroo that cannot soar like an eagle is not a stupid kangaroo, neither is a fish that cannot climb trees. People earning less than S$500,000 annually may shock you even at your age and your years of experiences as a politician to be much better sensible and sensitive politicians than your so called people who earn $10 million dollars annually.

The Chinese describe it best about people who may not earn millions of dollars but could still be outstanding politicians benefiting their countries and their peoples.

这不是基因的问题,这是机会的问题

[Translated: This is not a genetic problem, it is a question of opportunity].

 

Simon Lim

 

 

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36 Responses to “Disappointing that ESM Goh would defend high Ministerial salaries even as 4G leadership remains a mediocre bunch”

  • his wife's S$600k peanut wage:

    swiss standard of living? or is it swiss cost of living?

    world cup football? or is it no more football?

    more roads for more cars? or is it less roads for more 3rd world mouths?

    the list goes on. even his wife can say publicly, S$600k is peanuts.

    such we have leading the nation. is it any wonder we are sinking, fast?

    ffff the 70% sheep. ffff them. so ffffing stupid.

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  • MarBowling:

    Karma and retribution will sooner or later call and catch up with Seatwarmer Woody Bugger for his role in perpetuating the various schemes of things designed by his Mentor Lee Kayu to enrich themselves in the HoLee name of paying themsleves obscene $millions salarie$$$$$$$$$$$ to PREVENT CORRUPTION!

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  • They r heartless evils:

    Haha! I said before. This GohGohNut is laughing his head off at those who expect him to do a Dr M.

    Ho jiak. Ho koon. Ho pay…. eh no, now he actually says NOT ENOUGH! Why would he give up the Swiss standard of living? He aint like his selfless friend, Dr Tan.

    Dr Tan says he would regret it if he “had the chance to make a difference, but did nothing”.

    This greedy and selfish GohGohNut on the other hand must be thinking he’d definitely regret it if he did something to offend that powerful LEEder and destroy his own atas comfy life.

    Also, do not forget how he arse licked and defended that d**honourable son in parliament earlier this year. And now he’s complaining of “Money Not Enough” on behalf of the already sky-high paid ministers when every ordinary man is struggling so much with everyday life. Oh man! His place in H3LL must definitely be sealed by now!

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  • LIONS:

    Atmospheric levels of MINISTERIAL/PERM SECS PAY PACKAGES amidst joblessness amongst sgs is simply IMMORAL N IRRESPONSIBLE.

    HIGH GOVT COSTS transform into MORE PUBLIC FUNDS BURDEN ESPECIALLY WHEN PENSION PAYMENTS ARE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.

    GREED IS THE PAP CREDO.
    THIS IS TO BE HALTED OR MORE SGS WILL SUFFER.

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  • Haigen-diaz:

    When this Lau Goh ‘light-bulb’ illuminates, its effects will be irreversible like his Swisse standard of living. A pioneering prospector investing in wilderness and reaping the benefits of taxpayer-created, post-industrial resources. What this country needs is to wake up and realize that we are building an oligarchic society. There is no basis in fact that the citizens who breathe the rarefied air of the top 0.1% or the top 1% of even the top 5% allows future 4Gs to extract the bulk of taxes by changing GDP rates to their mediocrity. Any such calculation will impose excessive burdens on segments of the population and shift the burden of past excesses onto future generations. I am going to offer me two farthings on the underpinnings are of what is going on; The usual trademarks ( oil, manufacturing, trade ) of a robust economy are no longer the driving forces of GDP. What is now driving the economy is pushing paper or bits back and forth by our Govt. Any way you look at it, that is a bubble that can and will burst(and be exploited). All evidence is that the current growth, modest as it is compared to the far greater job growth under LKY, is based on wildly irrational exuberance.

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  • emptyplaygrd.:

    sad dat question din put more to esm by saying”how much to pay then things will work?”the reply will be an eye openner i think.

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  • sad state:

    The 69.99% love this lah. Boh pien leh.

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  • oxygen:

    REDUNDANT PAST has done well to give peasant A THICK FOG OF AMBIGUITIES. For a start, outside income of business enterpreneurs are VARIABLE, sometimes taking losses SILENTLY bidding their time, guts, determination, risks-taking and ingenuity of efforts to turn around a sinking business. Just look at SMEs listed on SGX, some losing millions year after year – if these are privately-owned and bank-financed, many would have gone under long ago. With public listing and public shareholding support, the bankers can be tempted to more risks-taking with controlling shareholders.

    Comparing Minister’s pay with private enterpreneurs in good times of pay benchmarking is betting on ROTATIONAL winners only – THE LOSERS WHO DIED IN ENTERPRISE ARE FORGOTTEN – it is a SCAM. And even if you benchmark to their pre-politics income in the last 10 years, IT IS NOT BENCHMARK RELEVANT TO PAY ALL OTHER MINISTERS on the same basis. Some are virgin apprentices WHO CAN’T PERFORM. In the corporate world, a geologist or a CEO are and often far better paid than any members of the Board of Director including the Chairman.

    Pay level benchmarked to position is payment for office, NOT PERFORMANCE. Payment for office is going to screw up the country big time when that office delivers no or negative performance. History is littered with massive irrevocable evidences of FAILED POLITICAL GROOMING, people for prime roles are selected on the basis of they are liked just like marital couples choosing those who looks like them, not the ability to perform – this is amply evidenced on Wall Street in the light of GFC implosion and corridors of political power.

    The successful departing leaders usually PICKED THE WORST AND LEAST COMPETENT ONES to succeed them. They are looking to placing successor to validate their legacy with long history of leadership worshiping as if the predecessor was a DIVINE BEING, not someone to take on the baton on a new challenge. Just look at GE Inc – from day one Jeffrey Inmelt took over from the legendary Jack Welch Jnr – it was only one trajectory – ALL THE WAY DOWN UNTIL HE RETIRED RECENTLY. The new GE CEO have had to undertake massive corporate surgery – not knowing if it can turn this sinking juggernaut around. Ironically, those who were fired by Jack Welch to make way for Jeffrey Immelt turned out high-flier in other corporate suites.

    Since grooming leadership succession is such a small near impossibility of success, how can they be paid for the roles they occupy? It is not a charity home paid by tax-payer. Without that false pay solidification, the next leader knows that either he/she performs or the door is open (don’t come back) or else.

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  • Eric:

    What GCT said could be so in the case of the Defence Minister who was a successful surgeon, or Mr Shanmugam who was a top lawyer. But, the same could not be said of most 4G leaders who are GENERALists. We could not be sure they can command what they are getting in the private sector, excluding GLCs.

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  • oxygen:

    IT IS NOT UNUSUAL IN MINING ENTERPRISES to find that the exploration geologist is paid higher than the CEO and the CEO is paid higher than any of the members of the Board of Directors or even the Chairman. Sometimes the Chairman is the least paid on that lot.

    The geologists have to deliver exploration discoveries or walk the door and if they delivered positive outcome, it could be a company or business-maker event which solidify the position and pay of the CEO and the Board of Directors managing that business enterprise. In corporate hierarchy, the exploration geologists rank no higher than mining engineer or geophysicist.

    Ifan exceptional someone comes into politics to a smaller Ministerial role from outside with a regular paycheck of $5 million per year prior, is there anything wrong in paying him/her say $5 million ++…., never mind who else got what lower paychecks. If anyone else wants the same, he/she has got to deliver his/her market worth outside of the same for the same duration. Otherwise starts at the apprenticeship and deliver performance first before talking about pay equity.

    Taxpayers don’t like to pay politicians who can only fart fake wisdom and morality on the public stage but delivers nothing visible of performance outcome. I personally have intense dislike (even contemptuous of) buying mining stocks in which the Board or Chairman or non-geologist CEO gets better pay than their geologists.

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  • oxygen:

    LOOKING BACK AT PAST HISTORY, mining stocks have a SPECTACULAR YEAR of earnings growth and share valuation in 2009. From the bottom of the market in March – the time Chip Goodyear joined Temasek Holdings, NO ONE SHOULD BE SURPRISED ONE BIT that on an investment outlay (size of TH portfolio) of US$140 billion, Chip Goodyear could easily turned in US$140 billion of growth in investing in a cross-section of mining stocks.

    Why?

    IT IS BECAUSE IN 2009, from the bottom of 2009, the world’s top 40 mining stocks rocketed up between 200% to 800% gain in just 3 months to June 2009. For someone like Chip Goodyear’s expertise in mining and mining investment, turning a 100% gain in portfolio investment is a todler’s game in his class.

    If Chip Goodyear is a Singaporean and is paid a mere 1% of the gain, he would have made a cool US$1.4 BILLION in 2009.

    DOES THAT ACTUAL EARNINGS OF US$1.4 BILLION in 2009 “QUALIFIES” OR MAKE CHIP GOODYEAR a “GOOD MINISTER” in Government and we should then continues to pay him $1.4 billion a year for as long as he remains in political office?

    And all other Ministers be paid also $1.4 billion annually as well?

    I THINK NOT!

    Chip Goodyear deserves US$1.4 BILLION BASED ON HIS PAY AGREEMENT FORMULA but if he enters politics, I think he should be paid same as an APPRENTICE MP of S$16K per month until he delivers performance.

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  • HisElitistBrainTalking:

    Suffering from dementia in his old age.
    Nothing good came from this aged senile fool even when he was sg’s pm.
    Now his only call to fame are his sarcastic elitist words ” he’s not my brother”!
    Enough said.
    Theyre all the same..omly knowv how to talk big big but no action.
    Mo one takes these Papigs seriously anymore …

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  • HarderTruths:

    Simon

    Disappointed? With this guy? Where have you been?
    This is the last guy you should ever trust to do the right thing for $G locals.
    If you do not believe me then ask the FT who let them in from the 1990′s.

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  • Bapak:

    He is also sending a signal that he will NEVER joins the coalition. Which is good news. See, he will not allow himself to be led by TCB. And after his term Singapore gotten worse & worse. You still want him? Not me.

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  • Block of wood:

    You idiotic 70%. See how the useless, greedy PAP want to suck your blood? Still not enough. Go on, vote them in again, you deserve all these useless pontianaks sucking you dry.
    Bloody Stupid!

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  • Dr. Chan:

    President Trump of USA. Make only US$1 a year from taxpayer but is a self-made Billionaire. Then ESM Goh must think that he is a piece of shit then.
    Also, how much does President Xi of PRC make a year from taxpayer? Is he also a piece of shit?
    How much do these useless PAP monsters made from taxpayers versus through their own effort/talent in the real world?
    The PAP criminal cartel/gang need to go out in the real world and made legit money instead of sucking the last drop of blood out of taxpayers. Then we’ll know how well they can perform.

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  • opposition dude:

    Everyone remembers how much heat his wife got when she said $600k was peanuts. If his wife can say that what do you think his own mindset would be?

    He got told off by the goondu PM recently and it seems like he hasn’t got any integrity. This guy swears by money and money alone and he won’t dare to say anything publicly against the members of his party.

    I won’t be surprised if he is thinking of hanging around until he is in his 90s. The dead founder did so and his thinking is that he should be able to as well.

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  • Based on justice and equality?:

    Thought he’d repented for his “Swiss standard of living for all Singaporeans” caper. Isn’t it obvious now he’d meant to nurture and elitist class in Singapore…while we have the lowest median wages among first world countries.

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  • LIONS:

    Ministers are among RICHEST IN SIN CITY.
    Still want MORE,MORE,MOAR!

    So,they still call poor sgs GREEDY?
    LOOL!

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  • robbin:

    ESM = eat s**t man.

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  • Haigen-diaz:

    How strange that our really clueless “Lau Goh” wants huge remuneration to attract the best and brightest when all they have attracted so far are the clueless ones who have wrecked our economy. Many CEOs are talented and hard-working and deserve to be paid well, but nothing in the universe justifies a droit du seigneur ratio of 9:1 where an average Singapore CEO only begets about $250k per annum. This 9:1 has become a socially acceptable theft which needs to be made unacceptable and illegal, especially in the case of Govt/public services. This disintegration of our democracy into an oligarchy is no accident. It is the spoils of class warfare, waged by the wealthy elites against everyone else as it always has been, but in deadly earnest since the 1990s. That’s when working-class wages stagnated under the assault on labor, when influx of foreigners during Lau Goh’s tenure, flooded into the job market seeking to buttress an increasingly unaffordable economy with superficial GDP growth. Unfortunately, when economic discrimination is favored, a zero-sum game is played where the elites believe they have no responsibility to society-at-large & can only stay on top by doing everything possible to favor themselves, their offspring, & their privileged class–meaning doing as much as they can to control the political system, divide the populace through bigotry & demagoguery, & lessen the competition by inhibiting mobility & increasing inequality. I see no way out, and I see this country continuing to decline into political totalitarianism, economic decrepitude and moral irrelevancy. There seems to be a tipping point where this process becomes impossible to reverse. Part of the inequality lies in the political clout the wealthy elites possess. When inequality becomes bad enough, the country soon goes down the tubes.

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  • No Free Lunches:

    It is amazing that some sinkies are still buying into such self serving reason for obscene pay or is this cuckoo protecting his self interests?

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  • another:

    Suck your blood and call s netizens vuvuzelas.

    A monster created by the 70%.

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  • Boh Kia See:

    If he thinks his pay is not enough–then he should go and find one that suits his inflated ego.

    Nobody ask him to do that job–so he has a choice–doesn’t like the pay–then go.

    No need to grumble–Singapore simply cannot afford such high pay people–as it is now, a heavy burden on the people.

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  • area52:

    example of what filthy rich meaning stands for.

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  • Malaysia boleh Singapore bodoh:

    Excuse me. GCT is also mediocre. He started the Asset Enhancement Scheme to create a property bubble in Singapore.

    Of course, the MOST mediocre is LHL. LHL IS A FAILURE AND HE KNOWS IT.

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  • Bobo:

    His rich men constituency can afford to pay him very well without having him appearing in person. Just like a cardboard policeman being placed outside of retail store will do. Perhaps he wants to collect advertisement fee from his TC as well. His images cost more than any Hollywood superstar.

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  • DustToDust:

    Extreme wages corrupt values and destroy. On the surface they wear white and expound a caring and inclusive society but when seated behind the piousness of the judiciary they party and partook greed and extremist rewards shamelessly and led the nation into mindless and hollow slavery.

    Too much and too little money in a person”s life eventually corrupt, destroy and kill more people than all the salvages of wars of mankind.

    Who you worship decides your fate. Politicians, no matter how decent or capable they present themselves, cannot save you because they will always be the problem or the s*ake in the pit.

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  • sangent:

    This is really a good piece of of rebuttal to our peanut ESM who through the years has been living in comfortable ivory tower. Time for him to quit the political scene totally. He tried to defend the policy of paying high salaries to ministers who are under performing. He must remember that he has already warmed the seat and past his prime. Ask him policies regarding CPF, high costs of living, high medical costs, low wage salary for the old seniors cleaning tables, toilets, high property prices, ERP, COE, high road taxes, high utilities rates, etc.

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  • oxygen:

    REDUNDANT PAST is still living his idyllic beauty of redundant past with these “CONFESSIONS”

    It is true that some in private sector earns more than Ministers, voters are bewitched as to why those chandeliers groomed from labor and military bunkers NOT HEAD-HUNTED with millions of dollar inducements BEFORE THEY STARTS the apprenticeship in political office and still needs to be protected-ushered in via the crevices under GRC backdoor? Going in via the backdoor DOES NOT GIVE VOTERS CONFIDENCE of the chandelier’s quality ability or performance potential – real or fictitious of those attributes UNKNOWN AND UNPROVEN at that point in time.

    In private sectors, you are sackable if you fails two consecutive qtrs of performance. The Board and shareholders behind them are quick to saw off deadwood long before agreed expiry review dates. In politics, can deadwood be recycle every two qtrs onto back bench obscurity without damaging party credibility and its own party’s political survivability of longevity?

    If bureaucrats are paid better than Ministers, why don’t sack the Minister and groom top bureaucrats instead in the next GE – ASSUMING THAT PAY LEVEL VALIDLY EVIDENCED ABILITY AND PERFORMANCE in Past Redundant’s assumptions?
    Remember bureaucrats don’t need to be elected by voters of risks-facing, Ministers are, so why Ministers not switching roles, get better paid and have more job security to boot? I suspect that bureaucrats are WAY OVERPAID to keep their silence whilst the country rots. They are the stepping stone to raise Ministerial pay. If bureaucrats are such wonder star performance, why are NOT headhunted by the private sector and (if head-hunted), bureaucrats leave en mass for private sector pay?

    Some of the world top investment funds practically gives their top fund managers the scope to write their own paycheck (for performance). Why are our bureaucrats paid better than Ministers who are the best paid politicians in the world already – NOT STEPPED OUT TO SET UP INVESTMENT FUNDS and write their $50 million per month paycheck or more instead of being in employed role? I suspect they know they won’t survive for 3 months in the real world of competition!

    The marketplace has its ways of sorting out very quickly hot air from realities of performance. In corporate world, one stupid public utterance like Uber’s founder saw he sacked by shareholders/venture capitalists.

    In politics failed performance is easily covered up by

    - equivocation
    - failing that, resort to holocaust denial
    - and if both above didn’t work, there is still the reset button to press of SILENCE OF DIAM DIAM DIAM.

    HOW TO BENCHMARK POLITICIANS PAY TO PRIVATE SECTOR?

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  • What were they thinking:

    Whoever had the idea of wanting to ask him to head the proposed coalition party , had PHD(permanent head damage).
    What on earth were they thinking!!!!

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  • Guess:

    Guess … author never benchmark George yeo current pay vs his previous pay when he’s minister.

    As for football , guess Mr Goh set the mark too high too early.

    https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/www.bbc.com/zhongwen/simp/amp/sports-45073890
    习近平的足球梦与甘肃小孩的脱贫梦

    Unbe…f**king… lieveable China this big country ( who claims invented football ) set its football goal by 2050. Thats more than 30 years from now. Count in previous failures , too date it will be close to 50 years.

    Ma got nothing to worry about the durian deals with China even it axes ECRL . Obviously China need it to 補
    腳。

    Sorry,… hahaha.

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  • You are spot on:

    Haigen-diaz:
    How strange that our really clueless “Lau Goh” wants huge remuneration to attract the best and brightest when all they have attracted so far are the clueless ones who have wrecked our economy. Many CEOs are talented and hard-working and deserve to be paid well, but nothing in the universe justifies a droit du seigneur ratio of 9:1 where an average Singapore CEO only begets about $250k per annum. This 9:1 has become a socially acceptable theft which needs to be made unacceptable and illegal, especially in the case of Govt/public services. This disintegration of our democracy into an oligarchy is no accident. It is the spoils of class warfare, waged by the wealthy elites against everyone else as it always has been, but in deadly earnest since the 1990s. That’s when working-class wages stagnated under the assault on labor, when influx of foreigners during Lau Goh’s tenure, flooded into the job market seeking to buttress an increasingly unaffordable economy with superficial GDP growth. Unfortunately, when economic discrimination is favored, a zero-sum game is played where the elites believe they have no responsibility to society-at-large & can only stay on top by doing everything possible to favor themselves, their offspring, & their privileged class–meaning doing as much as they can to control the political system, divide the populace through bigotry & demagoguery, & lessen the competition by inhibiting mobility & increasing inequality. I see no way out, and I see this country continuing to decline into political totalitarianism, economic decrepitude and moral irrelevancy. There seems to be a tipping point where this process becomes impossible to reverse. Part of the inequality lies in the political clout the wealthy elites possess. When inequality becomes bad enough, the country soon goes down the tubes.

    Excellent observation and comments!

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  • Decadence and decline!:

    Moral decadence set in when there is overemphasis on measuring everything with money.

    “The word decadence, which at first meant simply “decline” in an abstract sense, is now most often used to refer to a perceived decay in standards, morals, dignity, religious faith, or skill at governing among the members of the elite of a very large social structure, such as an empire or nation state.”

    “Decadence is defined as behavior that shows a love of self-indulgence, pleasure and money, or the process of decline or decay in society’s ethical and moral traditions.”

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  • Wakeup SG!:

    Ex-top civil servant Ngiam TD thinks Singapore’s leaders are overpaid and it’s not working out.

    “When you raise ministers’ salaries to the point that they’re earning millions of dollar, every minister — no matter how much he wants to turn up and tell Hsien Loong off or whatever — will hesitate when he thinks of his million-dollar salary. Even if he wants to do it, his wife will stop him.”

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  • Jman:

    There were many ways GCT could have put his message across. And he chose to put it that way.

    If there is something that could be said to irritate Singaporeans, GCT said it all.

    GCT is adequately qualified and experienced to know how to find a more palatable way of saying that.

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