On Xtian Support for 377A

I refer to TOC’s editorial Is the PAP government trading gay rights for Christian support? on this issue and couldn’t agree more that Church (or religion) and State should be separate or we run the risk of persecution of minorities who do not subscribe to any faiths sanctioned by the government IRO!

I was formerly a xiatian from a megachurch but left years ago after what I saw, is an apparent deviation of this faith here in Singapore as compared to xtianity say in Australia, US etc. where xtians there are actively campaigning for a more free and tolerant society, case in point: [ LINK ]

When I read that the jesus allegedly “set the captives free”, “healed and helped” everyone without any preconditions and evermore, instructed his followers not to involve themselves in politics or endorse any figures [ LINK ] I instantly knew that churches here are erroneous in leading their followers to support the ruling party by misinterpreting verses from scripture.

When you see 2 deacons from New Creation and City Harvest mobilising support from their church and utilising resources towards supporting reserved President Halimah, a magician pastor openly promoting his ministerial friend from the pulpit while stirring hatred for certain segments of society like the LGBT and xtians at a mass rally raising their hands in support of a blatantly dictatorial prime minister, it does not take a rocket scientist to know that something is not very right. It is extremely appalling to know that we are in even more bondage than our counterparts in the region when 2/3 of our MPs are xtians!

Majority of the religions, especially the Abrahamic ones (judaism and islam), pursue a very shallow interpretation of the religion in only the form but forgetting the spirit which is love for all and hatred for none. They tend to see a successful preacher or someone clothe in religious gear from head to toe as ideal while the rest are “mediocre” but often forgetting that it is these general people who are working and paying the bills which supports their religious career.

As what I learnt from the Humanist Society, he who works and pays the bill are holier than he who does not practice what he preaches!

 

Wee Lee Sum

 

 

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24 Responses to “On Xtian Support for 377A”

  • PervertsAccostingPeople:

    Who stick an immoral label on these people which led to their stoning?
    So long as the label sticks, stones(KILL) will fly.
    Christianity main roots are in Rome. It is a PERVERSE religion(politically perverse too) hence the perversion of laws by their leaders(Christians in particular)
    Classic “white” on the outside but full of perversion/darkness on the inside(ask their pope too) – look at the TOTALITY(not snippets of good which are deceptive) of the religion in the world.

    Because it is perversion and IDOLATROUS(they are clueless and blind themselves), it cannot be a vehicle of peace in the world( in fact contributing to booodshed as attest throughout history)and hence, completely SODOMISED the bible they are and have been abusing!

    These people are world class idiots.

    Anyone supporting this religion is PERVERSE and EVIL.

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  • oxygen:

    HDB ACT AND S.377a IN THE PENAL CODE are both ARCHAIC STATUTORY LAW that must go – the former says peasants are BOTH owner/lessee (binary impossibility) of HDB flat they paid a princely ransom on land but no land title and the latter made it illegal of fart-knocking preference yet helping to provide security support for exactly that in Hong Lim Park Pink Dot festivity (another windy happy hypocritical contradictions of binary choice).

    LIFESTYLE AND DIVINE FAITH PREFERENCES MUST BE A MATTER OF INDIVIDUAL CHOICE – moral tyrants have no monopoly of wisdom or virtues. I dislike and reject any form of faith evangelism – just mind your own fiacking business and let others choose their faith.

    In reality, a lot in the Xiatian world lives with ignored or pretend morality of no awareness that their priest chambers is infested with child pedophile preying on little boys. And I think the Pope has finally confessed as such.

    That is evidence, compelling, that religion and politic mix is as hypocritical of virtue pretension as the continued refusal to revoke s377a AFTER IT DECIDES that this preference and its behavior is NOT illegal – without inducement or duress that LGBT has the right to free choice and their lifestyle preferred is shared only among their own like-minded ones. AND POLITICIANS ARE HABITUALLY LIARS AND HYPOCRITES OF VIRTUES themselves – often much worst.

    IT IS BINARY – either it is illegal (and enforced it accordingly to statute law book) or it is legal (and revoke it acknowledging reality and medical science since science itself is not a crime), right?

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  • EducatedIdiots:

    If you see great idiocy, greed and perversion of laws in and in violation of human rights in Singapore by leaders from civil to private entities, like many do, and still do not know where it is coming from, you are another idiot.

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  • rukidding:

    Actually,…until today,…I am still “puzzled” as to how our Malay Muslim and Indian Muslim can “Buy and accept” the ideal that an Indian can become a Malay ????

    I can accept the ideal that there are Indian Muslims,…or maybe even Malay Hindis…..but I find it hard to “comprehen” how a n Indian can become a Malay ???

    Is this “Morally” upright at all ?????

    To me,…this is more like telling Us that if BOSS says that person is a Female (even though he has a Penis)….everyone must agree that this MALE is a FEMALE ?????

    NO QUESTIONs ASKED ! Period ????

    Is this “Morally right” ????

    Can our Muslim Religious Leaders please “Clarify”

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  • Dr Tan Tai Wei:

    They say “Scriptures (the bible) are given by inspiration of God” and infer that scriptures are inerrant. They then quote St Paul saying all authorities are put there by God, and thereby think that church and Christians are to support those in authority, therefore in Singapore the PAP. First, being inspired need not mean what is uttered or written is inerrant. Even in the Old Testament, there is this story of Jonah, undoubtedly an inspired prophet, who wrongly predicted the doom of Nineveh and is sorely angry that the city repented. Second, when Paul wrote that, he was appealing to Roman justice for protection against unjust persecution at the instigation of Jewish authority. Now, wasn’t Jewish authority also authority, hence placed there by God too? Why wasn’t Paul respecting it? About Rome, wasn’t that authority represented by Pilate who had crucified Jesus? And as events turned out, it was Rome under Nero that had Paul executed by the very sword Paul had said was given by God to authorities in order to punish those who did wrong.

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  • Wai Liddat:

    One xtian friend texted me to go online to vote for 377A to stay. I told him don’t be fooled. Suddenly govt listens to us and cares what we think? Whatever the govt’s decision, they’ll blame it on the people. It’s the people’s will, they’ll tell us. They just want to divide the people and let us fight amongst ourselves. We didn’t see our 1G leaders work this way. They’re firm and made the right decisions unlike the present incompetent lot of jiak liao bees.

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  • we have stopped reading the ST:

    rukidding:
    Actually,…until today,…I am still “puzzled” as to how our Malay Muslim and Indian Muslim can “Buy and accept” the ideal that an Indian can become a Malay ????

    I can accept the ideal that there are Indian Muslims,…or maybe even Malay Hindis…..but I find it hard to “comprehen” how a n Indian can become a Malay ???

    Is this “Morally” upright at all ?????

    To me,…this is more like telling Us that if BOSS says that person is a Female (even though he has a Penis)….everyone must agree that this MALE is a FEMALE ?????

    NO QUESTIONs ASKED ! Period ????

    Is this “Morally right” ????

    Can our Muslim Religious Leaders please “Clarify”

    bro, well said.

    we have analyzed and we conclude clown pap and gang of S$m liars can do anything just to ensure they can continue to pay each other S$m.

    that is why INDIAN is malay, now also milo. the hypocrisy here is extreme. milo sugar is very high, and pap clown has abused NDR2017 time to talk about diabetes, yet the selected INDIAN president is now also milo. WTF.

    more than this, 99 year lease hold HDB is asset. truly another clown pap WTF.

    a den of thieves, a clan of liars, all for ownself benefit ownself S$m. WTF.

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  • StupidSheep:

    Take the case of CHC. Biggest church and biggest religious fraud/lies in Sin and shamed and exposed at the national level and beyond our shores. Does it have any impact on the Christian community and supporters? Not really, DEMOCRATICALLY speaking. They see it as only a “blip” or even right to fail at the highest echelon of religious/political power(what idiots), not the stinking fruits of the religion bearing its evil/deceptive and rotten HEAD, as a warning from heaven.

    Thousands still flock in support of the s*ake head and kept the religious shananigan and deceptions alive, all over the land, despite lying and defrauding people in broad daylight, and that in a nutshell is…. Democracy at work, which idiots are fighting for, favored by snakeheads.

    What got them, in particular sheep, screwed big time(adherents of the scriptures) is that they failed to see… BOTH.. GOOD and evil of embarking up the wrong tree kills(you shall surely die)

    They saw the (completely blind to the misleading idiocy) of GOOD in religion, which they fervently embraced, and whitewashed the evil.

    And you shall surely die in your faith in… idolatry, for embarking up the wrong tree!

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  • old man:

    Why did this petition went online but not on other matters that touch our hearts…like CPF moved the goodpost from 55yrs to 65yrs. Why this is not petition by anyone…A Christian friend forwarded to me to petition my reply sorry i am not supporting it.

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  • LIONS:

    Gay votes sought after,the rest of reasons are mere excuses.

    Hypocrites!

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  • Dr Tan Tai Wei:

    They quote scriptures and claim God opposes LGBT. Even should scriptures be inerrant (see my post above), are the situations opposed in their social contexts the same as ours in order to make sense of applying the judgements to ours? For example, it has been noted that in the book of Leviticus in the Old Testament, prohibition of homosexual acts among men was in the context of keeping the children of Israel holy, and penetration of fellow Jews was unfair domination of one another.(Therefore, quite all right, indeed obligatory to penetrate gentiles?!) Also, when St Paul opposed homosexuality, it was in context of apprentices in the arts being abused, say being kept longer than needed. It was customary and respectful for apprentices to submit to their masters in homosexual relations, and Paul seemed not to have questioned the practice, indeed even supported it by maintaining all authorities were instituted by God, and the moral authority of this practice was not questioned in those days.

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  • Harder Truths:

    Should gays be allowed to live their own lives ? Yes of course. They should have their freedom – as long as they do not tell me what I should think or do. That I have to accept their lifestyle or go to prison.

    Don’t be fooled by all these gay activists and pappy nice talk. The real reason is that India has accepted the Gay Lifestyle; SG cannot let morals stand in the way of money to do business in Gay India. The gayer the better.

    I do not want to be told I have to accept or support what others believe or else be fired from a job or be balcklisted by society.
    Blacklisted by a reverse Section 377A

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  • BibleIdiots:

    The criminalising(killing/condemnation by law) of LGBT community is the essence of “Good(doing) and Evil(murder)” by the religious community.

    This is only one classic example.

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  • factotum:

    I don’t understand why the name Christ is abhorred.

    You don’t ever see Xhist for Buddhist, right?

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  • Guess:

    Guess writer did not noticed the news of 2 lesbians tio public caning of 6 strokes in Malaysia.

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  • Great Asia:

    When a Christian pastor preaches to his followers, he says he has been able to speak to God. If there are 100 pastors, there will be 100 Gods, because all the pastors have diverse views on many issues, especially those sensitive issues. If there are 1 million pastors, there will be 1 million Gods. In short, Christianity is also a many gods worshipping religion.

    The Chinese civilisation stopped the practice of divine worshipping more than 2500 years ago. Since then, the Chinese have grown to become the largest civilisation in the world and living in a continental size land.

    It is the only secular civilisation and the only multiracial and multicultural one.

    Galileo Galilei wouldn’t have to die if he were a Chinese.

    I can’t tell you the truth, because you can’t handle the truth.

    Ha ha ha!

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  • Matthew 7:23:

    Matthew 22-23 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness”

    All these pastors unknowingly work for SATAN, because they use the house of GOD to promote a secular party. Some churches are pretty dubious, they suck up to the mighty and step on minorities. Jesus is about helping the weak! I stopped attending because I didn’t think it is right to use the Bible to promote any political party and the blatant hypocrisy. Church sermons tell you don’t be so materialistic and yet Christians are involved in the pursuit of the 5Cs. Some churches even brag about the pastors having branded cars. It’s all contrary to the Bible teachings.

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  • Perspective:

    The gay issue is a political tight-rope for the PAP as attitudes toward the gay community are changing across the world. If it takes to the left, the Party risks losing the support of the religious conservatives; if it maintains its present position, it goes against the tide of change. To avoid confrontation with the gay communities here and around the world, PAP has thrown the issue open to the public. The anti-gay religious movement will take up the cause of 377A, along with the blame for any unpopular outcome. This will further turn the gay community against what they perceive as religious bigotry coming mostly from Christians, and hardened them against the gospel. PAP emerges as the “good guys” and Christians as the “bad guys” – homophobic and promoter of hate and discrimination.

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  • rukidding:

    If they have “adopted” the same online method of voting YES or NO ( a sort of referendum by the people) as to their “demand of obscene salary raised…..I am sure they would “fail” in their attempt !

    That is why they “chose” to form a “select Committee”

    Be very “clear”….they didn’t “lie” to you !….they did it “openly”……YES,…they “succeeded” because it was a “SELECTED” group of people !!!

    The keyword is “SELECTED” !!

    Pow Jiak type !

    So clever,…can introduce SinPass….but cannot, don’t want to use the Online method for the “sillyzeans” to “VOTE” on other issues ????

    “Clever” and “scheming sly” indeed !

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  • Have Gun, Cannot Fire:

    That is why 377A is the only law in the world here the G says it will never be used.
    Cannot remove for political reasons; cannot prosecute, also for political reason.

    Piggies in white want to have the cake and eat it.

    They need every vote they can get; staying away from every controversial issue, zero leadership.
    Old [email protected]&t said that there is a gay gene, implying gay do not have a choice.
    He is also a hero that these anti-gay folks worship. So How?

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  • Perspective:

    There should be one law against public indecency applicable to all instead of singling out one particular group of people which would seem discriminatory.

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  • rukidding:

    Do we have REAL Religious Leades at all here in the first place ???

    All I can see are that our Religious Leades here are “living” in “Fears” and are “tolling the Line” instead of “practising and acting on the truth and teachings of their religion” !

    Looks like “somebody else” here is “Greater” than the GOD that they are preaching !

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  • Anti LGBT:

    Just send these sick people to Terengganu for caning so they’ll come to their senses.

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  • Dr Tan Tai Wei:

    Odd that they are so ready to say that the bible clearly prohibits homosexuality, and yet apparently want to ignore those scriptures that can be taken to forbid use of contraceptives among heterosexuals like themselves. “Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth” is the seeming divine command. And there is this man in the Book of Genesis in the Old Testament whom God killed for spilling his seed at intercourse. I suppose they will immediately take the convenient line that it isn’t preventing conception God is opposed there, but the man’s refusal to provide offsprings by the widow of his dead elder brother – a familial obligation those ancient days. A practice surely they would disapprove today, even though seemingly so important to God that He would kill those who flout. Doesn’t apply in our modern social contexts, they are prepared to say. And so also, they will give all sorts of reasons why the command to “be fruitful and multiply” does not apply to us. Therefore they use all sorts of contraception devices to “spill their seeds”. So convenient for themselves, and they are the heterosexual majority. But as for the minority homosexuals, they aren’t prepared to similarly consider possible contextual differences between biblical seeming prohibitions of homosexuality and our present-day related issues that might render those ancient prohibitions inapplicable to us. The Catholics Church does try to be consistent and prohibits artificial contraception, allowing only for “the rhythm method”, although it’s noteworthy that this method is also “artificial”, being also man’s attempt to thwart a natural process.

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