Discrediting the Alternatives

The Alternatives, of course, refer to the Oppositions.  The ruling party of the day prefers to call them the “Oppositions”, thus denigrating political opponents as opposing to the choice of the electorate.

In reality, the Alternative is an alternative way of setting policies to govern the country.  It is not about opposing the incumbent regime.  When the electorate ditched the incumbent regime and elect an alternative government, they are looking for an alternative system of governance.

In the history of Singapore, PAP has rendered many measures to discredit and to punish the Alternatives, including numerous defamation lawsuits, labeling them as Communists or Marxists and subjecting them to detention without trials so that they could not run for elections.  These harassment happened well before I was born and I can only infer them from occasional accounts given by retired politicians.  In particular, declassified files from the British Archives provided evidences that Operation Coldstore was nothing more than an elaborate scheme to prevent the Alternatives from contesting in the 1963 General Elections.  The PAP government can argue until the cows come home, but the official records from the British Archives indicate otherwise.  If PAP disagrees with the British Archives, they can declassify Singapore’s own official records and let the public know the contents of our official version over Operation Coldstore.

As of this moment, it appears that there is a reasonable chance that the PAP government intend to commit election fraud in the next General Election. [ LINK ]

In an open, fair and transparent election, how likely is a ballot box to go missing?  Is a ballot box as small as a one-carat diamond that can easily be stolen?  Can the security transportation service dismiss a few missing diamonds as being insignificant because the diamonds are small and can be easily misplaced?  If not, what is the purpose of these rule changes that we can disregard ballot boxes that are missing or destroyed prior to counting?  Should not ballet boxes to given maximum protection so as to preserve the integrity of the results of the General Election, including ensuring that they are not lost or destroyed prior to counting the votes?

While it is premature to say that the PAP government will definitely commit fraud in the next General Election, it is a possibility that cannot be ruled out.  After all, the PAP government had misled and lied to the entire nation that our HDB flats will always appreciate and that we should vote for PAP so as to enjoy the upgrading programme, only to announce that the value of our HDB flats will be zero at the end of the 99-year lease.  This is after many Singaporeans have used up their entire life savings and letting PAP enjoyed 20 years of power.  The PAP government has told us that Mr Lim Chin Siong was a Communist, but declassified documents from the British Archives clearly indicate otherwise.  The PAP government can change the race of an Indian and (s)elect her to be our Malay President.  All these events suggest that PAP is not exactly a trustworthy or honourable political party.

The Alternatives have to consider anti-fraud measures during the next General Election.  This includes (a) making sure all ballot boxes are properly labelled and secured with clay seal prior to the start of the elections and (b) checking that these are the same ballot boxes at the end of the elections, taking special caution that the clay seals are intact and that no ballot boxes get swapped in the process.  If PAP insists that the ballot boxes need to be transported to a centralised vote counting centre, then (c) get more people to witness the handling of the ballot boxes and (d) use lots of tapes to bundle-seal all the ballot boxes together once they are loaded into the trucks and that the seals can only be broken during unloading at the destination point.  And at all times, the Alternatives have to put all the ballot boxes under surveillance cameras.

However, the greatest damages to the Alternatives come from within.  I urge Alternatives Supporters to consider the following points.

1.         Being anti-establishment is different from being anti-Singapore

I read with alarm and dismay when Jolovan Wham openly declared that burning the Singapore flag is acceptable as a freedom of expression. [ LINK ]

Jolovan Wham has earned the respect of many Singaporeans (including myself) as an activist who fights for the rights of the under-privileged in Singapore, and getting prosecuted by the government as a result.  While he is not a politician (at least I am not aware that he is from any particular political party), he is one of the more prominent anti-establishment figures in Singapore.  His conduct is loosely interpreted as reflective of the Alternatives Supporters.

To declare that it is acceptable to burn our Singapore Flag under the banner of freedom of expression is a strict no-no.  While I can appreciate his distaste for the PAP government, it should not be confused as distaste for Singapore.  The PAP is but only a group of politicians that currently leads (or misleads) the country and they are not equivalent or representative of the entire country.

2.         Respecting democracy means to accept different views from others

Living in a democratic country means that each and every one of us has equal rights to voice our views and opinions.  In a population of several millions, it is unrealistic that everybody has the same views.

Calling PAP supporters “daft” is both insulting and anti-democratic.  At the end of the day, they have just as much rights as us to support whoever they want to support.  This is what true democracy means … everybody has the rights to choose whoever he/she wants to support.  If the final result is not our desired choice, we still have to accept the result gracefully.  If not, how are we different from tyrants who refuse to give up powers and not accept the decision of the majority?

As of this moment, unless there are evidences of fraud, the PAP government is legitimately elected by Singaporeans and it has been given the mandate to govern Singapore during the current term.  Whether PAP is doing a good job or not, whether this is for the good of Singapore or whether we agree with the election results are separate matters.

Of course, this point is applicable only in an open, honest and fair election process.

3.         Draw the boundary line between facts and opinions

Alternative Supporters should avoid using vulgarities and name-calling on PAP or PAP supporters, as well as propagate half-truths or fake news.  Avoid exaggerations or prepare to give credits to PAP when due.  Above all, stick to facts and be prepared to provide supporting evidences as and when needed.

To illustrate what I meant, here are the points I asserted earlier in this article.

 

  • The PAP government had misled and lied to the entire nation that our HDB flats will always appreciate and that we should vote for PAP so as to enjoy the upgrading programme, only to announce that the value of our HDB flats will be zero at the end of the 99-year lease.  One can easily check the historical news, as well as compare the prices of HDB flats to determine if these are facts.
  • The PAP government has told us that Mr Lim Chin Siong was a Communist, but declassified documents from the British Archives clearly indicate otherwise.  One can check the declassified documents from the British Archives to determine if Mr Lim Chin Siong was indeed a Communist, as well as the real purpose of detaining Mr Lim Chin Siong and his party.
  • The PAP government can change the race of an Indian and (s)elect her to be our Malay President.  One can easily check the identity of father of Halimah or she can show what was recorded as her race in her NRIC.

I believe Singaporeans are generally rational and reasonable.  If the presented facts are sufficiently strong and unambiguous with supporting evidences, they will speak for themselves without needing us to engage in vulgarities, name-calling, flowery languages, half-truths or exaggerations.

In conclusion, there are PAP supporters, fence-sitter and Alternatives supporters visiting these social websites and reading our articles.  The worst thing the Alternative supporters can do is to give them an impression that the Alternative supporters are a bunch of unreasonable and destructive anti-Singapore hooligans.  This will do much more harm to the Alternatives than any prosecutions from the PAP government.

If we really want to work towards representing the Alternatives to be a credible and viable alternative government, we need to work towards gaining the trust and respect of Singaporeans, regardless of PAP supporters, fence-sitters and fellow Alternatives supporters.  And the time is NOW.

 

Cheryl Gupta

 

 

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43 Responses to “Discrediting the Alternatives”

  • HarderTruths:

    “I believe Singaporeans are generally rational and reasonable. If the presented facts are sufficiently strong and unambiguous with supporting evidences, they will speak for themselves without needing us to engage in vulgarities, name-calling, flowery languages, half-truths or exaggerations”

    You have missed the plot. $G locals do not give a shit about anyone except themselves. They are ballsless. As long as they see themselves as safe them they don’t f**king care what happen to others. In fact they are willing to let something bad happen to others if it benefits them.

    That is why there will be no change. Ownself f**k ownself.

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  • patriot of Temesak:

    All was well during and just after pre-colonial RULE…

    Nationalist and Patriots were fighting and sacrificing for self-rule & independence

    The British Rulers were not Totally Unjust, they turn a little barren Island into a Great Trading Port the Best in the Far East way back in 1930s long before the existence of PAP and a bast**d running in his shorts name Harry

    The 1st Sattelite Town was built by the SIT not HDB and was name Queenstown to honour the coronation of Queen Elizabeth in 1953…where homes were REALLY affordable for rent $8 2room to $90 5room with front & back Balcony

    It was only when the Bastard name Harry grew up and went into politics for his own selfish gain & Power that Freedom and Affordability was thrown out the window with the baby bath…and replaced with Leegal Corruption Leegal Murder through Leegal Abortion

    Creating an ILLUSION we call the 1st World today, in Reality, a Dynasty with Cronies and FamiLEE connections at the Helm

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  • Boh Kia See:

    In my view, it is a foregone conclusion that the PAP is planning a coup of the election process-flawed though it may be in its present state.

    The question is how discrete or drastic they are going to do it. The message was put through via the vblogger that the PAP intends to be ruling for many more years. Just how they intend to do so is what is being discussed here.

    I have always felt and commented on in the past that the PAP is not a clean party and they will use underhand means to achieve their ends. I also think the appointment of the Indian/Malay president was part of their scheming to stay in power.

    So I continue to say that citizens should walk the floors of each HDB block to discuss and talk to others concerning alternatives available. The PAP does not have a monopoly on good ideas. Indeed, the past has shown that they are bereft of any ideas for Singapore.

    Citizens should start now and be prepared for an early election or a snap election.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Cheryl Gupta

    IT IS NICE TO STICK TO FACTS – on that point I am definitely in agreement with you. You said -

    “Draw the boundary line between facts and opinions

    Alternative Supporters should avoid using vulgarities and name-calling on PAP or PAP supporters, as well as propagate half-truths or fake news. Avoid exaggerations or prepare to give credits to PAP when due. Above all, stick to facts and be prepared to provide supporting evidences as and when needed.”

    EASIER SAID THAN DONE – the HDB Act (by definition this is fact of a piece of statutory legislation – says HDB buyers are both owner and lessee of what they paid for. But COMMON LAW has other ideas of what is “ownership” and what is “leasing”. So is statutory law constitute “fact” and common law “opinion”? Lawrence Wong said this….”it is in the law” which is a FACT of his claim and which is also a fact of statutory law enacted (another fact)

    BUT IS HE RIGHT, Cheryl? By your mantra and may I say simpleton mind, you would conclude that Wong is correct (and therefore deserving of credit to be given??), on balance of probabilities of your slant of reasoning of what is fact and what is perhaps “half-truths or fake news or exaggerations”. BUT I NOTICE THAT NEITHER WONG or other ministers have cited a SINGLE CASE LAW (aka as common law) in the law parlance.

    I am also certain that in City Harvest Church case, you would – more likely than not is my speculation – that the convicted deserves a far longer sentence as much of the Government, including AG, most learned Law Minister, K. Shanmugam would like to see happening and agreeing with you. Why? As most learned MND Minister Wong’s wisdom words – it is “in the law”!!

    REALLY???

    Justice Phang and his most learned judges GOT OTHER IDEAS of what exactly is “in the law” of common law application. SMARTER LEGAL SILK, EDWIN TONG found his wisdom shared in the Appeal Court judges’s mind THAT COMMON LAW IS RIGHT, the statutory law is AN ELEPHANT OF A HOLE OF MISCONCEIVED AND POORLY CONSTRUCTED LEGISLATION FLAWED TO INFINITY on its definition of “agent”

    Statutory law – A FACT and in the lingo of great minds of law architects is also fact of enactment (which they will shout ..”in the law” correctly too BUT BOTH FACT IS WRONG of law determination of final outcome.

    and what is the final outcome in CHC?

    IT IS COMMON LAW RIGHT and statutory law (sometimes called…it is the law) GOT IT ALL WRONG.

    So what is ‘FACT” cheryl in your determination as distinguished from “fake news, exaggerations and half-truths” if someone in TRE dispute strongly against your “fact” but the disagreeing is based on common law test, not statutory law?

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  • Pakatan Singapura:

    during the pap tony tan presidential election, we voted Mr Tan JS. 4 votes.

    alas. pap tony tan won. only good thing was, by such a small margin. although unhappy, we were consoled.

    during the pap milo malay INDIAN presidential selection, we were deprived of a chance to vote for the Singaporean we think is worthy of the presidency. the arrogance of pap clown when he said, so what the selection causes pap some votes. we have 70% so losing a few votes won’t matter.

    such arrogance.

    now forward to akan datang GE2019. SDP is doing the right things to set up Pakatan Singapura. choice of leader is Dr Tan CB.

    we support anything that is not pap. so Dr Tan CB is fine for us.

    EXCEPT this one thing. Dr Tan CB belongs to the pap departed evil lky era. Dr Tan CB seems to have this timid demeanour. projects the persona that he, Dr Tan CB, is somehow afraid of going for the truth against clown pap.

    we are no longer young. our only hope is to see clown pap put to true justice before we are up the lorry. and Pakatan Singapura success is what we look forward to.

    another alas. if Dr Tan CB continues with his timid body language, even though we are reluctant to accept it, GE2019 is not going to be as good as we are thinking it can be.

    perhaps, a fire brand. Ms Sylvia Lim or Mr Lim Tean, can step forward, and lead Pakatan Singapura.

    we declare we are selfish, in that we hope to see pap clown put on trial before we are up the lorry. since we are old, time is not on our side. that is why we are pushing for a LESS timid leader to lead Pakatan Singapura to success.

    after all, with pap clown mistakes since GE2015, just a little more dare shall do the trick. timidity does not work. it has not worked for 50+ years. it never will.

    so, if Dr Tan CB truly wants to lead, please step forward boldly. otherwise, do say so, so that a better Singapore, such as Ms Sylvia Lim or Mr Lim Tean, can step forward and do the necessary.

    Dr Tan CB needs not only to be bold, he must also be seen as wanting it VERY MUCH. his current timid half past six behaviour does not boost confidence at all.

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  • trappings of benefits:

    //Calling PAP supporters “daft” is both insulting and anti-democratic//

    agreed lar. but under a glaring ownself-check-ownself not my brudder where 4 = 5 and selected = elected, if not daft then what lar ? maybe self-interest and pretending to be daft while reaping the trappings of support, that one can understand lar.

    //If we really want to work towards representing the Alternatives to be a credible and viable alternative government, we need to work towards gaining the trust and respect of Singaporeans,//

    yar lor. also trust and respect of chat-ba-lang people. when white idiots could be so dominant (ownself-check-ownself) as above reasons by the author, white idiots still can command trust and respect meh (4 = 5 and selected = elected).

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  • oxygen:

    @ Cheryl Gupta

    ANOTHER TRULY LAW GENIUS, Minister Indranee Rajah claims that profit from sale of HDB flat retained by seller (HDB buyers) prove “asset” and “ownership”. She is definitely entitled of both claims but I am going to disagree and disagree strongly. I have “facts” which contradicts her claimed “facts” too.

    Where are my facts which I hope you and nobody else on the other side of the divide claims to be my “fake news, exaggerations, half truths”?

    Here you go.

    Corporates, globally, issue cheaper (with lower coupon interest rate/returns to buyers) bonds to replace far more expensive bonds issued earlier when prevailing market rate of interest were higher ALSO “profited” from cheaper financial cost of their funding needs. So a profitable transaction, prove “asset” being transacted? I say not because bond issue is a LIABILITY of the issuer – a public debt funding instrument of corporate borrowing in the financial market instead of equity from its own shareholder (not a debt by definition) which must be repaid on maturity. A PROFIT from transaction NEVER PROVE it is “asset”. Bond issue is in corporate law. In accounting, it is recorded in financial statement as the issuer’s LIABILITY. I conclude that Minister Indranee Rajah is WRONG of fact it is asset because HDB buyers sold it higher than they paid for even it is true fact some did sold higher price than they bought for!

    Indranee Rajah is also WRONG of silence (which would contradict her own stance if she admit to another fact) that HDB collected resale levy. By collecting resale levy on THE PROFIT GAIN OF HDB SELLER, is she not also admit that HDB is also CONCURRENT OWNER of the flat sold?? How many “owner” or “owners” are there in your HDB flat besides your own family, Cheryl – disclosed or hidden concealed and unknown included?? PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

    OF COURSE the other irony in the commercial world – AGAIN ANOTHER FACTS which you, Cheryl and Ms. Indranee Rajah, probably unaware of is this – the food stuffs you bought in the supermarkets ARE NOT OWNED by supermarkets – these belongs to suppliers who paid for display shelve space in the supermarket. When sold for profits to customers, does that TRANSACTIONS – every day hundred of thousands of this transactions completed in Singapore – “proved” THAT THE FOODSTUFF SOLD TO CUSTOMERS ARE AT ANY MOMENT the ‘ASSETS’ of supermarkets?

    POPPYCOCK!!

    Sale of any subject-matter (be it food in supermarket or bond issues by corporate as examples) DOES NOT PROVE ASSET NOR OWNERSHIP.

    I WOULD ASK – WHICH statutory law OR which common law!! Prove the accounting on “asset” and the common law substantiation of “ownership”!

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  • The Other Hard Truths:

    Clap Clap, Cheryl Gupta !

    Wonderful written

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  • Penny:

    Very rational and well written. This will definitely sway my vote from sitting on the fence to the Alternatives.

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  • Let there be light ...:

    Ah yes … bring along lots of flashlights during the General Elections in case there are blackouts again …

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  • Asia is Authortarianism:

    Many Singaporeans get defensive when a valid criticism of Singapore is uttered.

    This is a psychological illogical.

    It means what is true is regarded as false due to mental bias.

    If all valid criticisms of Singapore is considered wrong or invalid, then these Singaporeans are as good as zombies.

    They are products of a state controlled media where bad news is sugar coated or ignored and the media sing praise of the country, giving people an unbalanced view of the country.

    This psychological illogical thinking is why despite knowing they own a lease and not the flat, well educated Singaporeans never realise the need to question the asset appreciation scheme and the flat will be zero value when lease expire.

    The education system is a big failure.
    Zombies.

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  • Songshu:

    Actually for the 1st time in about 50 yrs & after more than a few GEs, the thot of a possible election fraud entered my mind after the last GE ! Unbelievable but the thot just came about. I didn’t know why.
    Anyone had this same ‘feel’ then ?

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  • Yawning....:

    To the writer….Your article is too farking long winded. Stop teaching anti pap the “DOs n DON’T”. I am seeing you more of a hypocrite than someone trying to teach monks how to comb their hair. LOL

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  • Flawed Minds:

    The intention to fraud is unacceptable.
    When undemocratic stunt like Milo can happened, I no longer place my trust on the PAP.

    Judging from the dirty history, I caution these;

    1.0 Putting few moles in a meeting, record some anti-gov stuffs in the minutes and begin another arrest without trail.

    2.0 Putting some moles in the crowd and begin some unruly behavior and begin their arrest without trail.

    3.0 At all times, the ballot boxes must be visible by the naked eyes. Do not put the ballot boxes in the bus hidden compartment. Put them along the aisles visible to the eyes. All sides must be sealed. Personal identification marking must be made on all surfaces. Those accompany the ballot boxes must be burly man not women, able to defend the boxes. The ridiculous chance that ballot boxes can be lost in Singapore, very much indicate a flawed system rather than a flawed security. The definition of lost must be clearly defined. The time allotted to find the box must also be clearly defined.

    To be fair, when one box is lost, it means unfair practice had occurred therefore a re-volt is much fairer to all, in view of the importance of the matter as it affect the whole of Singaporeans, not just the few in the parliament now.

    Alternatively, When a box is lost, then the government of the day must be blamed for lacks of proper security arrangement. The count for all alternatives parties should be automatically multiplied by 2 times.

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  • Malaysia boleh Singapore bodoh:

    Must NEVER forget:

    1) PAP is NOT Singapore and Singapore is NOT PAP.

    2) LKY is NOT Singapore.

    3) LKY is DEAD and CREMATED. He is NEVER coming back.

    4) You have been misled. HDB flats will indeed be worth ZERO at the end of the 99-year lease. HIP1 and HIP2 and VERS will NOT change this fact.

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  • Why ???:

    > “Discrediting the Alternatives” . . .
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    Why do the AritoCATs do it ?
    -
    * InSecure ???
    * Thin-skin?
    * “Smart alec”? – we r AritoCATs – we r smarty pants. we only eat fish!
    * Empty-vessel ?
    -
    All of the above ???
    =
    Remember the Ballot Box !

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  • PAP intervention on People:

    LKY Quote:
    [who your neighbor is, how you live, the noise you make, how you spit, or what language you use. We decide what is right. Never mind what the people think.]

    The proposed changes to the election rules regarding ballot boxes should be disallowed as it is known that the PAP intervened with the zoning of where people gets to stay. Where there exist, even of the slightest possibility that counting their popular zones votes exist, then the proposed changes should be denied.

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  • VERS:

    VERS actually means 70 years lease, not 99 years. How many people realise this?

    The amount you get for the remaining 29 years may not even be enough for downpayment for new BTO because the new BTO is going to be raised proportionally.

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  • Carbon Dioxide:

    @oxygen

    Please read Cheryl’s article carefully.

    Nowhere in her articles did she claim that PAP are honest and truthful. She certainly had not stated that Lawrence Wong, Shanmugam or Indranee Rajah were truthful. On the contrary, she quoted examples when PAP had not been honest, including showing why VERS will not work (need too much money!) and that VERS is merely a ruse for PAP to buy votes. She only asked that Opposition Supporters to be truthful and avoid wild accusations, or otherwise the Opposition will lose credibility.

    On the issue of HDB flats, Cheryl already stated that it does not matter whether we call it ownership or rental. PAP will still take back our flats at zero costs at the end of the lease. (I think she was making a point that a pile of shit is still smelly even if it is covered with layers of sugar coatings.)

    Thereafter she went on to say that the real issue is not even about ownership or rental. (Read – You are barking up the wrong tree if you continue to debate about ownership or rental.) It is about PAP using HDB upgrading to gain voting shares, resulting in HDB prices spiralling out of control and 20 years of PAP government. That is the real issue!

    Singapore may have a chance of voting out PAP if there are more Opposition members who are as logical and rational as Cheryl. I hope she would join the Opposition, although I suspect she is probably too young … her writings contain too much idealism!

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  • Morality slipping fast:

    If ballot boxes walks away by itself and or if followed by blackout…
    We as the real sgs must stage a noisy protest but should not be violent..in order to get the attention of the
    international media.
    We cant stand by meekly anymore.
    No way! This Gov has already gone to far..taking us citizens for granted.

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  • I know Singaporeans:

    Cheryl Gupta

    I think what you say makes sense. Logical.
    Sadly, i believe you MISSED A POINT. A very critical point.

    Your understanding of Singaporeans, specifically the 70% , is lacking a key area.

    I believe the missing jigsaw in your puzzle is the way Singaporeans think. In this day and age, they know and heard all the criticisms , valid and invalid ones , of the the PAP.

    But at the end of the day, they voted the PAP. You hope for this and that. But you have not understood the root cause.

    The root cause is the way Singaporeans think. Their VALUE SYSTEM is the same as the PAP’s.

    Who does not know Singaporeans live in fear and they self censure themselves? Who does not know this is not the best feeling in the world? So, why did they voted such that they not just win but win with extreem landslide majority and a parliament essentially without opposition?

    I think it’s because the 70% feel that they too would do the same if they were in power.

    They too would use the grc system and gerrymandering methods.

    They too would not let them the system be transparent. Who would?

    They too would use fear to control. It’s the easiest and cheapest way. Why not? They use the cane to strike fear into their children too! That’s how their parents do to them! Asian values!

    Democracy? It’s not Asian value. Asian value is you fear and obey the authority unquestioningly.

    Speak up, voice up? Please lah, we are Asians. Look at how Singaporean students behave in class and seminars, especially the adults, not so much the young generation. They dun like to ask questions s. Very siah suay and paiseh wan.
    Protests? Come on lah!

    Sue till your pants drop? No one likes it but I believe the 70% feel that if they were in power, that’s also how they will deal with dissent and competitors!

    Birds of a feather flock together.
    I dun mean snakes and rats roam together.
    That’s not nice to say.

    Going against the establishment? Majority would feel that this is wrong. They feel that if they were in power, they too would not like to see people criticising them.

    So, you should get my point by now

    There is a big jigsaw missing in your reading of Singaporeans minds

    It’s not that there was MAGIC at the ballot box given that the ground sentiment has been very unhappy due to high cost of living yet they win. It’s because at the end of the day, the 70% feel that if they were in charge, that’s what they will do also. To them, the policies are what they will come up with also.

    I hope this enlightened you. Your missing jigsaw.

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  • PAP.GUARANTEE.WIN.GE2019/20:

    Boh Kia See:
    So I continue to say that citizens should walk the floors of each HDB block to discuss and talk to others concerning alternatives available.

    Hahahaha….

    This is the biggest joke.

    Citizens to walk the ground discussing alternatives ? Hahahaha…

    Never gotta happen….bcos oppositions are all illogical, lazy and unmotivated freeloaders, leechers.

    They just leech off other people efforts while hiding behind moniker.

    Phillip Ang said to crowdfund to sue us PAP on CPF but receive little financial support from all the so called opposition supporters.

    That’s right. Opposition supporters just want to leech off other people efforts while hiding behind moniker.

    -PAP.GUARANTEE.WIN 2019/20
    -PC Ong: GE19 or 20, it will be a comfortable victory for PAP.
    -PAP Ministers are not paid enough..
    -Singaporeans must TIGHTEN belt, DOWNSIZE so that PAP ministers can UPSIZE their salaries and not suffer a drop in their living standard.
    -Singaporeans vote PAP in support of 9% GST so that minister will get paid > 500K and no longer mediocre
    -Singaporeans vote PAP in support of 30% water increase so that minister will get paid > 500K and no longer mediocre
    -Singaporeans vote PAP in support of importing more FT so that their NUS/NTU graduate children go drive GRAB CAB.

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  • HarderTruths:

    I know Singaporeans: Sadly, i believe you MISSED A POINT. A very critical point.

    Your understanding of Singaporeans, specifically the 70% , is lacking a key area.

    I believe the missing jigsaw in your puzzle is the way Singaporeans think. In this day and age, they know and heard all the criticisms , valid and invalid ones , of the the PAP.

    But at the end of the day, they voted the PAP. You hope for this and that. But you have not understood the root cause.

    The root cause is the way Singaporeans think. Their VALUE SYSTEM is the same as the PAP’s.

    CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP BRAVO!!!!.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Carbon Dioxide

    YOU MIND IS WATER, my mind thinks like water. If you are in the investing world, you would have long been dead and buried.

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  • really or not ?:

    //On the issue of HDB flats, Cheryl already stated that it does not matter whether we call it ownership or rental. PAP will still take back our flats at zero costs at the end of the lease.//

    really or not ? this is more like a after-the-fact fire fight lar. of course, now it does not matter lar once the past white idiotic koyok objective has been achieved.

    did the high powered white idiots make any statement in the past giving a wrong impression – especially to those daft sinkies (not so legally educated people) who may be ‘misled’ (aka for its euphemistic term ‘misunderstood’).

    if it does not matter, why now so many white monkey idiots have to come out to clarify and suggest new future scheme like TER, AER, BER, ZER, etc.

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  • EXTERNAL Forces:

    Morality slipping fast:
    If ballot boxes walks away by itself and or if followed by blackout…
    We as the real sgs must stage a noisy protest but should not be violent..in order to get the attention of the
    international media.
    We cant stand by meekly anymore.
    No way! This Gov has already gone to far..taking us citizens for granted.

    Those who supported them in the last 53 years are LIVING LONGER . There is focus on their longevity. Less sugar, more checkups. Chas card.

    Their support base is growing because of longevity and younger ones come from new citizens and their offsprings .

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  • you mean Hodson choice:

    //Singapore may have a chance of voting out PAP if there are more Opposition members who are as logical and rational//

    you mean Hodson choice lar ? it is precisely of this white idiotic approach against the oppo that daft sinkies are confused on what logic and rationale is all about – e.g 4 = 5 and selected = elected, more reliability when more breakdowns, it is a good thing when price increase.

    quote : In the history of Singapore, PAP has rendered many measures to discredit and to punish the Alternatives, including numerous defamation lawsuits, labeling them as Communists or Marxists : unquote

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  • oxygen:

    @ Carbon Dioxide

    @ Sperm Diablo, I believe, HAS GOT SOME GREAT EDUCATION FOR YOU, please read his WISDOM comment below from another TRE thread.

    Sperm Diablo: In law, a English word can have very different meaning than what the layman interpretes. It’s all playing with words and making own proprietary definitions to suit the needs. A means to an end. Perversion of truth.

    http://www.tremeritus.net/2018/09/18/pap-ministers-lie-about-recycling-land-to-provide-affordable-public-housing/#comment-1831975

    If there is no difference between ownership and lease, why do Ministers came up to so stridently defend the “ownership” controversy?

    Carbon Dioxide: Read – You are barking up the wrong tree if you continue to debate about ownership or rental.)

    Your mind IS WATER, my mind and @ Sperm Diablo’s wisdom thought think like water.

    A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE SEPARATES US from you!

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  • Dato:

    UMNO Supreme can be brought down to earth in one election.

    So can PAP.

    One man. One vote. Vote for change.

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    Who are “S’poreans”? The truth is that Everyone can be a S’porean (under the PAP) but a true S’porean ‘at heart’ might not be a S’porean citizen & might not even live here. Think Kevin Kwan! And that is the CONUNDRUM!
    S’pore is a mish-mash of different ethnic groups with various agendas. It is ROJAK!
    In 50 years of PAP rule, various S’porean groups were displaced by PAP policies & replaced by incoming replacements whom benefitted from PAP generosity. How so?
    As early as the 70s & early 80s, S’poreans who were Peranakans, Eurasians, Anglo-cized Indians emigrated to Western countries. Why? Bilingual policy! Their mother tongue was English – what mother tongue?
    In their place came the M’sia minorities who were displaced by the newly enacted Bumiputera Policy which placed educational quotas based on racial percentage; required Bumiputera participation in businesses, etc. A lot of the M’sians benefitted from free education, govt scholarships, HDB priority & civil service jobs from the PAP govt. A percentage of ex-M’sians converted to S’pore citizens while their spouses remained M’sian to benefit from both countries. And that is PAP Vote-banking & gerrymandering!
    From the mid-1980s on, there is the hidden presence of a Brain-drain every decade. Each financial crisis (1985 Pan-EL crisis, 1998 AFC, 2008 GFC) – educated S’poreans with skillsets, capital & knowledge migrated to Western countries in the thousands. S’pore has a limited 3-legged economy – MNCs, GLCs & SMEs. MNCs employed the largest percentage of PMEs. Each economic downturn creates massive PME unemployment. S’pore had little avenues for alternative PME employment – GLCs a bastion for Meritocratic Scholars & cronies; SMEs strictly a nepotism employer. Most unemployed PMEs choose to emigrate over chronic underemployment or commission type work in S’pore.
    - Cont’d -

    I know Singaporeans: I believe the missing jigsaw in your puzzle is the way Singaporeans think. In this day and age, they know and heard all the criticisms , valid and invalid ones , of the the PAP.
    But at the end of the day, they voted the PAP. You hope for this and that. But you have not understood the root cause.
    The root cause is the way Singaporeans think. Their VALUE SYSTEM is the same as the PAP’s.
    Who does not know Singaporeans live in fear and they self censure themselves?

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    - Cont’d -
    Those who stay on were either stupid (believing GCT’s Stayers vs Quitters argument) or were too comfortable in S’pore (beneficiaries of PAP eco-system).
    Whose a S’porean? In truth, everyone yet no-one! Because S’pore society is a transient system – like a hotel, people check-in & check-out! There are no Permanent societal values nor a common National Identity because S’poreans are a transient lot. The only constant is the PAP! And that is why they’re continually machining the S’pore population mix for their political longevity. PAP’s system of indoctrination, mind-control & classical conditioning – all psychological plus social conditioning mechanism (of Stockholm Syndrome, Learned Helplessness, Peer pressure, etc) to hold the electorate hostage & beholden to PAP. Understand this, you’ll see the truth for what it is!

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  • patriot of Temesak:

    Carbon Dioxide:
    @oxygen

    Please read Cheryl’s article carefully.

    Nowhere in her articles did she claim that PAP are honest and truthful. She certainly had not stated that Lawrence Wong, Shanmugam or Indranee Rajah were truthful. On the contrary, she quoted examples when PAP had not been honest, including showing why VERS will not work (need too much money!) and that VERS is merely a ruse for PAP to buy votes. She only asked that Opposition Supporters to be truthful and avoid wild accusations, or otherwise the Opposition will lose credibility.

    On the issue of HDB flats, Cheryl already stated that it does not matter whether we call it ownership or rental. PAP will still take back our flats at zero costs at the end of the lease. (I think she was making a point that a pile of shit is still smelly even if it is covered with layers of sugar coatings.)

    Thereafter she went on to say that the real issue is not even about ownership or rental. (Read – You are barking up the wrong tree if you continue to debate about ownership or rental.) It is about PAP using HDB upgrading to gain voting shares, resulting in HDB prices spiralling out of control and 20 years of PAP government. That is the real issue!

    Singapore may have a chance of voting out PAP if there are more Opposition members who are as logical and rational as Cheryl. I hope she would join the Opposition, although I suspect she is probably too young … her writings contain too much idealism!

    carbon dioxide…you need OXYGEN too my friend…one is never too young or too OLD…all that is needed besides Oxygen & Food is COMMITMENT and CARE…and leave the rest to God…

    should you not be a believer than Leave it to your CONSCIENCE that a Foetus is a Life and NOT a part of a body wherein can be drag out or disposed of as SHIT and Deceased…

    only an Evil Man with no conscience and Evil in his heart will Destroy Life LEEgally and Disposed of off his opponents together with their families without even Blinking an eye through the eyes that are slitty and NOT noticeable when it BLINKS!!!

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  • Bravo Gupta:

    When so many paid IBs swamped in, you can be assured that she hit the painful spots.

    I know Singaporeans well. They are sentimental and emotional. Many cast their votes to show their last respect for the dead old man.

    I know because PayPay is harnessing on this fact by repeatedly bringing up the dead old man again and again and again.

    I know Singaporeans well, so 70% is not guaranteed anymore but this time likely 40% to 50% because of Gupta good efforts.

    Keep up the good works Gupta.

    CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP BRAVO!!!!.

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  • Margaret Thatcher says:

    “To wear your heart on your sleeve isn’t a very good plan; you should wear it inside, where it functions best…..It is not the creation of wealth that is wrong, but the love of money for its own sake.”

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  • Haigen-diaz:

    KK, while making Crazy Rich Asians, says “I really hope Singaporeans will see that this is a love letter to Singapore. I wrote what I knew… and I wanted to pay tribute to all types of Singaporeans.” – Unquote. Of course his love letter is a big red ‘ang bao’ envelope to Singaporeans, boosting the attendance of F1 and all its’ peripherals services around MBS. There are two things that have changed. First, our consumerism is now fuelled by spending of wealthy foreigners here. Second, we no longer have economic and social policies that encourage the wealth that we create in our country to benefit a large majority of our people, but rather being concentrated at the top. Our economic stagnation is the result of having harvested the “low hanging fruit” and the few “top hanging one” left, remains unreachable for ordinary folks. The enormous concentration of wealth at the very top may well be one of the main causes of the state of permanent depression of our economy, as it shrinks the amount of capital circulating in the real economy and both the opportunity for social growth and the spending power of “middle class” workers. Those of us on the ground trying to make a living in this economy know how serious things are right now. While it is true that the immediate source appears to be uncertainty over the direction of the market, ultimately it is confusion over the fundamentals of our economy. The current situation can be compared to the end of a Ponzi scheme, where abnormally high returns are paid to investors out of money paid in by subsequent investors rather than from increase future net revenue. The system is doomed to collapse because there is little earnings from the money received by the promoter aka Govt. In bad times individuals must pull in their horns, but if government does it at the same time, taking money out of the economy, it is the road to further decline rather than improved prospects for the future. A point where continued trajectories begin the demise of the returns on which they were initiated. I would look at commercial real estate. Shopping malls continue to downsize. Those who hold large portfolios of real estate might reach a point where they can’t even sell assets at fire sale prices. The next recession will be a depression and, it will have more than one cause. The answer to this economic riddle is not that complicated – the wealth of the nation is being extracted from the populace and privately consolidated at the top.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Patriot of Temesak

    MATE, @ Carbon Dioxide is EXACTLY what he describes of himself – carbon dioxide – for he know not what he is barking about, He is not even aware of reality around him!

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  • oxygen:

    @ really or not?

    BEAUTIFULLY SAID, @ carbon dioxide is clueless of happening.

    really or not ?: if it does not matter, why now so many white monkey idiots have to come out to clarify and suggest new future scheme like TER, AER, BER, ZER, etc.

    When he uttered this NAIVETY

    Carbon Dioxide: (Read – You are barking up the wrong tree if you continue to debate about ownership or rental.)

    And which I responded accordingly

    oxygen: @ Sperm Diablo, I believe, HAS GOT SOME GREAT EDUCATION FOR YOU, please read his WISDOM comment below from another TRE thread.

    Sperm Diablo: In law, a English word can have very different meaning than what the layman interpretes. It’s all playing with words and making own proprietary definitions to suit the needs. A means to an end. Perversion of truth.

    http://www.tremeritus.net/2018/09/18/pap-ministers-lie-about-recycling-land-to-provide-affordable-public-housing/#comment-1831975

    If there is no difference between ownership and lease, why do Ministers came up to so stridently defend the “ownership” controversy?

    and this

    oxygen: @ Carbon Dioxide is EXACTLY what he describes of himself – carbon dioxide – for he know not what he is barking about, He is not even aware of reality around him!

    AND OF COURSE, having so many Minister frantically tried to bury unsuccessfully the ownership/lease controversy with rubberised fiction of “factually and legally” (unexplained nor substantiated of this fiction) claims, NONE OF THEM ACCEPT M. RAVI and Lim Tean invitation for a public debate.

    If PAPpys accept that debate, they will be slaughtered like pigs in abattoir in a few quick minutes – the statutory law, HDB Act is flawed of its construction and interpretation. Common law will trash it to shredded waste print.

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  • waste of time zzz:

    @ Cheryl Gupta

    you sounded too young.. you need to understand the other jigsaw pieces in the big picture.

    Power – the old lee ruled with an iron fist and now this power lies in younger lee. power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. so you have the losses in th, keppel bribery, oxley ownself-clear-ownself, ago audit lapses etc all covered up, no further questions.. the siblings of the younger lee have distanced themselves to the point of self-exile. do you think that they do not know what is happening to the real singapore?

    Pappies & their kakis – control too many levers in the economy and the big businesses survive by patronage. those downstream sme guys will toe the line too. if not how to survive?

    Oppies – not unified under a clear leader. too many cooks spoil the soup. maybe there are moles too. thus we will never have a pakatan harapan in singapore.

    People – generally politcal apathetic. the old pioneer and merdeka gen will confirm vote for the whites. the middle age group are too busy to survive or are too afraid to vote against the whites. the young ones dont even give a shit, only see singapore in their rose-tinted glasses and think the oppies = csj.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Waste of time

    If Cheryl watches mafia movies, and she is perceptive enough, she must know that MAFIA ALWAYS SENT BEAUTIFUL EULOGIES to those departed which the mafia killer himself either participated in the killing or organised the plot in that assassination. This is REALITY.

    You start to wonder what resides in the mind of the KILLER delivering the beautiful eulogy if he was “remorseful” of the murder assassination he was complicit or actually participated in the killing or he was thinking the corpse soon to be sent to cremation will enjoy the BBQ soon the come on the last leg of the deceased journey on this planet earth.

    The world of politics and economy is the same – it is not such a monotonous pale of one shade of color and flavor OF BEAUTY OR INNOCENCE. Never believes in eulogies. As soon as mafia boss is assassinated or locked up by authorities OR gone to Tern Sua, the surviving WILL INEVITABLY AND PREDICTABLE go all out to wipe out any irritation or challenges within factions themselves.This is also VISIBLE REALITY.

    In political and economic struggles for survival, Cheryl needs to understand that when you wage a fight for EXISTENTIAL survival – YOU LOST awaiting your death before the battle starts if you bring only a knife to a gun-fight or you enter the fight with A SHIELD BUT NO SWORD when your opponents come in with BOTH SWORD AND SHIELD.

    THIS IS ALSO REALITY. Fiction is only a mirage, they don’t last. Diversity is the only route to survival of the specie – you see that in the biological world. Why do civilization finally wakes up to preservation of endangered species? Because exterminating them ENDANGERS our own safety! So it is the same in the political world – let the noisy, rowdy, even the vulgar thrives in the social media even it is disagreeable to one maybe “hypocritical” thoughts of fake purity and innocence. They are part of societal culture and political specie entitled to their place in this world. Leave them alone!

    I see priests and divine soul – real or hypocrites this lot is – denouncing the possible repeal of s377a truly HYPOCRITICAL LAW but fiack, this lot of hypocrites were all DIAM DIAM DIAM when their MATES in the high priesthood were engaged in pedophile statutory rape of young boys who have no home or refuge to turn to.

    DO WE SHUT OUT OUR BLIND EYES TO REALITY AND PRETENDING THE WORLD IS SUCH MONOTONOUS MONOLITH of BEAUTY OF INNOCENCE AND PURITY?

    waste of time zzz: @ Cheryl Gupta

    you sounded too young.. you need to understand the other jigsaw pieces in the big picture.

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    @ Haigen-diaz,
    Bro! Couldn’t have said it better than you! And the biggest elephant in the S’pore/PAP room are the global investors themselves. If they, too, “pull in their horns” or worse, start looking elsewhere for better returns – S’pore & it’s inhabitants are in for a world of pain. Tax shelters & corporate tax havens aren’t immune to the effects of arbitrary tariffs & quotas imposed onto the trading community. They will neutralized & dissipates S’pore’s corporate tax haven business model. And from what I observed & deduced, the PAP govt themselves are running short of cash & foreign currency reserves (after paying themselves collectively billions from the govt treasury & running an expensive & profligate govt). To keep the greed flowing, they are increasing the bleeding of the masses without thinking they have already gone past anaemic.

    Haigen-diaz: The current situation can be compared to the end of a Ponzi scheme, where abnormally high returns are paid to investors out of money paid in by subsequent investors rather than from increase future net revenue. The system is doomed to collapse because there is little earnings from the money received by the promoter aka Govt. In bad times individuals must pull in their horns, but if government does it at the same time, taking money out of the economy, it is the road to further decline rather than improved prospects for the future.

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  • Carbon Dioxide:

    @oxygen

    Before you pen down any further arguments on the HDB issue, can you please take a look at the HDB official contract?

    See https://temasektimes.wordpress.com/2018/08/30/exclusive-hdb-contract-is-between-lessor-and-lessee/

    See http://www20.hdb.gov.sg/bp13/bp13005p.nsf/General%20Conditions(SBFMay17_Flats)?Openpage#7

    If you need further explanations to understand what the above mean, you can learn from the expert. Mr Ku Swee Yong, Chief Executive Officer at International Property Advisor Pte Ltd, recently gave this analysis.

    See https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2018/08/17/hdb-flat-buyers-should-be-aware-that-they-are-lessees-not-owners-says-renowned-real-estate-agent/

    In particular, one sentence stood out.

    //He added that anyone who has signed legal documents upon purchasing an HDB flat would be acquainted with the fact “that the contract is a Lessor (HDB) and Lessee (“buyer”) contract.//

    If you still want to argue your case of ownership based on what you heard from PAP, watch this video first.

    See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JryX-MQKtAc

    Whether we have HIP, HIP2, HIP3, … or VERS, VERS2, VERS3, …, the HDB flats will still be zero-valued and returned to the government at the end of the 99-year lease.

    Feel free to present your case if you have any supporting evidences to show why HDB flats will not be returned to the government at the end of the 99-year leases. You can also explain to all of us why Mr Ku’s explanation is not correct.

    Talk is cheap … you need to walk the talk to show your conviction. If you really believe that there is merit in your case that we are “owners” not “lessees”, you can show the strength of your conviction by purchasing a resale flat with less than 50-year lease at the price of a new flat. I am sure many living in old flats would love to sell their flats to you, so you have abundant choices. After you purchase your flat, you can also try convincing the rest of the sellers to hold on to their flats because they are “owners” and not “lessee”, though it will be probably be a good idea to buy more personal insurance in advance.

    After all is said and done, HDB flats will still be zero-valued and returned to the government at the end of the 99-year lease.

    PS: Appreciate if you can state your case without trying to denigrate others.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Carbon Dioxide

    OI OI OI, JUST TO AVOID DOUBT THAT YOU ARE DEAD WRONG OF THIS ASSERTION, I will share with you and all TRE readers my perspective and see if anyone else wants to challenge in fairness.

    Carbon Dioxide: (Read – You are barking up the wrong tree if you continue to debate about ownership or rental.)

    You should NOT have attempted to shut down a fair transparent debate. This is NOT FAKE NEWS by a trillion miles. Let me quote what Ms. Rajah said which I disagree strongly with.

    “ Singaporeans have been able to keep the profit from the sale of their Housing Board flats, and that proves that they are owners, not mere tenants. Everybody who has actually made a profit on the sale of an HDB flat, you cannot say that it’s not an asset. Of course it is…If you’re not the owner, then you don’t get to keep the profit either. Owners get to sell because you transfer the right to the property. If you’re a tenant, you don’t get to sell, you get the right to live in, but you don’t have the right to deal with the property”

    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/housing/unlike-owners-tenants-cannot-sell-flat-indranee

    But what did the decided case law in Bridges v Hawkesworth and Parkers v British Airway Board case some 131 years later? Here is my weblink and the relevant ratio decidendi at the bottom of page 180.

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/journals/SydLawRw/1983/12.html?context=1;query=bridges%20+%20hawkesworth;mask_path

    It reads

    “In the eyes of law possession comprises of both actual control and animus possidendi……”

    And if you Google “animus possidendi”, you get this interpretation. I quote below

    “animus possidendi. An intention to possess (sometimes called animus possidendi) is the other component of possession. All that is required is an intention to possess something for the time being. In common law countries, the intention to possess a thing is a fact.”

    In Bridges v Hawkesworth, the one who exercise protective control is defined as owner.

    @ Carbon dioxide, you paid up your 99-yr lease HDB flat, still get evicted and HDB then recycled (sold) the land to private developers for profits, NOW PLEASE TELL ME WHO IS THE OWNER of the HDB flat in

    - common law application of ownership and possession and

    - Ms. Rajah’s interpretation of who sells the subject-matter retains the profit is “owner”

    PAPpys ministers have said this – it is “in the law”. I beg to ask

    - WHICH STATUTORY LAW, and/or

    - WHICH COMMON LAW PRINCIPLES?

    In finality, @ carbon dioxide, WHAT IS YOUR REPLY? Otherwise don’t shut down debate.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Carbon dioxide

    THANK YOU VERY MUCH INDEED FOR COMING BACK with your post comment at 2.24 pm.

    I shall NOT repeat your contents and weblink substantiations BUT INSTEAD SINCERELY THANK YOU with BOWED HUMILITY that your stance EXACTLY SUBSTANTIATE MY UNRELENTING ARGUMENTS that purchasers of HDB public housing are NOT OWNERS of their flat but instead were mere LESSEE.

    My stance had been statutory law (if you know what this means) – the HDB Act is flawed. Philip Ang got a reply from HDB Head of Legal Counsel purporting to assert that buyers of HDB are both owners and lessee of the flat they purchase.

    TO ME THIS IS AN ABSURDITY OF REALITY IMPOSSIBILITY of law construct and its interpretation. @ Carbon dioxide, how can I or anyone lease you a lamborghini (licence plate LUCKY 8888 ASSUMING) WHEN YOU ARE ALREADY A OWNER of this subject-matter of sport car? You bought that car and it is yours! How can I lease this lamborghini to you which I NEVER OWNS but instead owned by you right from the beginning?

    That leaves the debate to what is the common law says of ownership tests? I explained that (before seeing you reply of 2.24 pm) in my post comment at 3.00 pm., particularly the ratio decidendi of animus possidendi found in Bridge v Hawkesworth & reconfirmed forcefully some 131 years later (OMG) in Parker v British Airways Board decision in 1982!

    The case precedent in Bridges v Hawkesworth found strong following in judicial decisions in Australia, NZ, Ontario (Canada), Hong Kong and in the USA as well.

    Lawrence Wong even assert that it is ..”in the law” of his claim that HDB buyers owns their flat, I want to ask him – “WHICH LAW” – THE FLAWED HDB Act or the common law decisions of Bridges v Hawkesworth or Parker v British Airways Board outcome?

    Mr. Lim Tean and M Ravi invite public debate on legal question of ownership or lease controversy, I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY PAPpy Minister accepting their invitations. It is a reasonable challenge.

    THAT IS TELLING of PAPpy’s preferred silence, right?

    @ Carbon dioxide, did you read the Parker v British Airways Board decision weblink I supplied?? If you read it, you will understand of what is my position in this matter – the animus possidendi is compelling.

    HDB has the final say even if you paid up your 99-yr lease, it can evict you and then recycle (sell) the land to private developer for profit and KEEP THAT PROFIT (as Indranee Rajah said is proof of “WHO” is the ‘OWNER’ presumably “factually and legally” too, right?)

    THAT IS PRECISELY WHY I SAID YOU SHOULD NOT SHUT DOWN THIS DEBATE ON owner/lease controversy.

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