Tweedledum v Tweedledee or TOC v The Idiots Sg

What I find funny after reading Terry Xu’s FaceBook post (See below) is that I’m sure ST and other constructive, nation-building publications can say the same thing about TOC notwithstanding Terry’s holier than The Idiots attitude in his last paragraph.

Terry Xu should let sleeping dogs lie seeing that TOC cast the first stone (towards ST many yrs ago) a long time ago. Btw, I think I got grounds to KPKB yesterday to Terry about hypocrisy based on his comments about attribution. But as I know his writer and him, and respect what they are doing (most of the time) and because of the pressures that Terry faces in fighting the Dark Side , I’ll not talk further about the matter: let sleeping dogs lie etc etc.

Having said all this, The Indians Idiots are scumbags:

— TISG: “useful loudhailer” for PAP administration

— “The Idiots — S’pore” keeps on promoting divisiveness?

And this TOC writer (Why TOC’s Danisha Hakeem is a menace to the credibility of alt media) should move to The Idiots. He’s their kind of writer.

Anyway, Terry Xu posted on FB yesterday

After hearing complaints from my writers about how articles have been republished by The Independent SG with no attribution, I decided to take up my complaint with the publisher of the website.

Referring to the writer who has been doing that, I wrote, “It is fine if articles are written with reference to TOC’s site but if you refer to the months of postings, I have seen nothing of such. Can you please see that this behaviour stops?”

He replied, “Dear Terry, We have a ‘do-not-touch-TOC-content’ policy in place. Hence, I’m surprised that you are making such claims. In any case, all authors do declare their source for each piece they are working on and my editors do check for copyright infringement, attribution and accuracy. It may very well be the case of the newsmaker talking to two outlets at the same time. In which case, there is really no need to attribute to TOC.

In any case, if my writers do use your content. You can be rest assured that we’ll credit TOC for it. Chill my friend. We’re in the same space. Need to look out for each other.”

My response to that was to throw a series of articles.

http://theindependent.sg/in-what-capacity-did-ivy-ng-sign-…/

http://theindependent.sg/grassroots-leader-who-constructed…/

http://theindependent.sg/mothership-draws-flak-for-story-o…/

http://theindependent.sg/survey-shows-only-59-per-cent-of-…/

http://theindependent.sg/mainstream-media-speculates-that-…/

and noted that these articles are for just the month of March.

He then asked for the corresponding articles from TOC that were published.

Which I gave,

https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/…/ivy-ng-signed-documents…/

https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/…/grassroots-leader-who-c…/

https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/…/mothership-highlights-l…/

https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/…/survey-35-think-heng-ca…/

https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/…/media-speculates-former…/

Note that all the articles from TISG is after TOC had published its, even the screenshots are using the ones that TOC had posted. I haven’t yet included the articles that are based on the video write ups posted on TOC’s Facebook page.

In response to the claims, the publisher has replied, “Dear Terry, after careful examination and consideration, we find your claims to be baseless and unfounded.”

UPDATE: The publisher even accused me of backdating the articles! Hello… I can’t backdate Google News, even if I want to.

So case closed it seems and business as usual. Nothing I can do about it, I suppose? And how can you be friends with such people?

Clarification: As I tell my staffers, there are a few type of articles.
– Opinion pieces
– Govt release
– News of events
– Public knowledge
– Exclusive investigative articles

We do not credit MSM for govt releases because it should be public knowledge in the first place and Govt don’t release them on their public site only after MSM has reported on it. News event, we sometimes don’t because we are pissed that only IMDA certified press are invited.

But if you do read our other posts, we mention clearly it is from the MSM that we are taking the quotes from and also we would correct when journalists from MSM write to us.

 

Cynical Investor

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5 Responses to “Tweedledum v Tweedledee or TOC v The Idiots Sg”

  • can we report CI to police?:

    we did not report above to police since title is not racist.

    we did not read the post either since it is written by pap PA paid IB and we never read such.

    but we are green folks. we never let byte space go to waste. so we pen our position each time such posts exist.

    this time, we ask a question.

    is this pap PA paid IB paid by TRE to post in TRE? since there is never free lunch with pap, how come this pap PA paid IB is so free here in TRE? how is he paid? by both pap PA and TRE or by TRE only or by pap PA only?

    if TRE pays then we suggest TRE desist since we never read such rubbish and TRE can save its money for better things than to waste it, like pap PA, on such. after all why entertain this Msia cheapskate?

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  • rukidding:

    Rubbish article …waste of time….TRE “slowly”being “tainted” by this pest !

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  • RDB:

    What is TSIG? It is not a common abbreviation, so please give the full name first with abbreviation in brackets.

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  • LIONS:

    So,CI,you are into the *MIDDLE OF THE ROAD*,huh?

    I say to you,*OH SO LEH,SO LEH*!

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  • patriot of TUMASIK:

    CI…one thing I must give you credit for you definitely are a trier…all the shit you are vomiting to get viewers to your BLOG…No doubt you are a MOD of TRE * CONtributor too…so we will have to LIVE with your SHIT but NOT otherwise

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