Failure of democratic systems

It is rather sad to see the failure of democratic systems in several countries. Here are my observations.

a) In the US, there is gridlock in Congress. Both parties do not agree on many policies. Congress does not agree with the President. The current President has less votes than his opponent during the presidential election. The elected politicians are more beholden to their financial donors rather than their voters.

b) In the UK, the Parliament is not able to pass the bill to leave the European Union, due to disputes between the major parties. This dispute cannot be solved after several rounds. It is another form of gridlock, i.e. inability to come to a decision.

c) In Indonesia, the results of the Presidential election are still being disputed by both contestants even after voting was completed several weeks earlier. The country is divided, rather than united, after the election.

d) In Thailand, the results of the general election are still being disputed. The major parties are not able to form a coalition govt.

Perhaps in other countries, the democratic process proceeds more smoothly than these bad examples.

 

Tan Kin Lian

 

 

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41 Responses to “Failure of democratic systems”

  • Great Asia:

    道可道,非常道; 名可名,非常名。

    Primitive Angmohs and Bananas: Democracy = Good; Communism = Evil.
    Advanced Chinese: Democracy = Communism = Good and Bad.

    It’s the leadership, stupid!

    Ha ha ha!

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  • Great Asia:

    a) In the US, there is gridlock in Congress. Both parties do not agree on many policies. Congress does not agree with the President. The current President has less votes than his opponent during the presidential election. The elected politicians are more beholden to their financial donors rather than their voters.

    I thought democracy is not supposed to face this problem?

    Ha ha ha!

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  • Great Asia:

    b) In the UK, the Parliament is not able to pass the bill to leave the European Union, due to disputes between the major parties. This dispute cannot be solved after several rounds. It is another form of gridlock, i.e. inability to come to a decision.

    I thought democracy is supposed to solve this problem?

    Ha ha ha!

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  • Great Asia:

    c) In Indonesia, the results of the Presidential election are still being disputed by both contestants even after voting was completed several weeks earlier. The country is divided, rather than united, after the election.

    I thought democracy is supposed to solve this problem?

    Ha ha ha!

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  • Great Asia:

    d) In Thailand, the results of the general election are still being disputed. The major parties are not able to form a coalition govt.

    I thought democracy is supposed to solve this problem?

    Ha ha ha!

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  • Great Asia:

    Perhaps in other countries, the democratic process proceeds more smoothly than these bad examples.

    Which country?

    Ha ha ha!

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  • Stupid is Stupid Does:

    When ordinary people in a democracy think their leaders are stupid? they change it.

    When ordinary people in communism think their leader is stupid, how?

    Great Asia:
    道可道,非常道; 名可名,非常名。

    Primitive Angmohs and Bananas: Democracy = Good; Communism = Evil.
    Advanced Chinese: Democracy = Communism = Good and Bad.

    It’s the leadership, stupid!

    Ha ha ha!

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  • HarderTruths:

    So… what is this IMH outpatient saying now?

    That communism is preferable because democracy is not perfect?

    Neither is his brain.

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  • Stupid is Stupid Does:

    Both or any parties do not agree on policies is the core fundamental hallmark of a democracy.

    The elected politicians can be beholden to their donors all they want but without their voters, they can’t even start to behold anything.

    But in a dictatorial system, none of the above will be a problem. No one dares to disagrees, and the dictator can behold to anyone he pleases.

    Great Asia:
    a) In the US, there is gridlock in Congress. Both parties do not agree on many policies. Congress does not agree with the President. The current President has less votes than his opponent during the presidential election. The elected politicians are more beholden to their financial donors rather than their voters.

    I thought democracy is not supposed to face this problem?

    Ha ha ha!

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  • Stupid is Stupid Does:

    Only in a democracy, you can dispute, in a dictatorial system they solve this problem by arresting, imprisoned or sent them to a correction camp to mend their errand ways.

    Also this question of “dispute” is actually moot. In a dictatorial system, there is only one and one way only, there is nothing to dispute, period.

    Great Asia:
    d) In Thailand, the results of the general election are still being disputed. The major parties are not able to form a coalition govt.

    I thought democracy is supposed to solve this problem?

    Ha ha ha!

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  • Stupid is Stupid Does:

    oh! plenty plenty !

    Great Asia:
    Perhaps in other countries, the democratic process proceeds more smoothly than these bad examples.

    Which country?

    Ha ha ha!

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  • Asd:

    If cannot debate than communist la.. don’t pretent to be democratic..

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  • NotMyProblem:

    @Mr. Tan; are you suggesting we should follow China or North Korea system.

    If being in the Government was easy, everyone would be in the government. The government needs the support of the citizens.

    Democracy allows the citizen to support the government. The government gets support by doing the right things.

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  • Flabbergasted:

    What are you suggesting? Let PAP continue to rape us? You f**King stooge!

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  • Tankk:

    In US its not that the congress don’t agree with President trump, its the democrats fighting the republicans in the congress.Now Robert muller already conclude no Russian collusion but the democrats still trying to talk about impeaching Trump for a crime he didn’t commit..

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  • pap idiocy and S$m lunacy:

    When an INDIAN is malay and inside 200m is not within 200m and 70% sheep says it is ok then whatever system also guaranteed to fail.

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  • Bad Boy:

    If u want to know the real situation of China, you need to seek out the blogs or website written by some of their good locals, and not global times or 鳳凰台.

    Unfortunately after CNY, for the last 2 months CCP have clamp down or 404 majority of these blogs / website.

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  • Flight25:

    Robert Muller did not conclude there was no collusion with the Russians. William Barr who refuses to release the full report condensed a 400 page report into 4 pages with the conclusion NO COLLUSION and ran off a huge PR stunt for Donald Trump. Democrats are not trying to impeach donald trump for a russian collusion but rather obstruction of justice.

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  • LIONS:

    Democracies dont fail;it is FAKE DEMOCRACY that will fall apart.

    Do we have true democracy in $in City?
    You know the answer.

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  • TKL brainwashed lah:

    Having a gridlock is not a bad democracy. Only brainwashed Sinkies are taught yo believe so.

    Sinkies prefer to have a dictator decide everything even when they suffer.

    Where the horse they are riding is going over the cliff, Sinkies say, “Don’t argue. Let the horse decide.”

    “It’s better to be going somewhere, anywhere, instead of running on the spot! Over the cliff we come!”

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  • Juvenile pretensions:

    Tan kin Lian is only just beginning to fathom what it is to live for liberty and justice.

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  • 潘金莲:

    陈金莲这次说得好,赞!

    民主制度实施得比较好的例子?有!新加坡是个完完全全的民主国家,现在一切都在良好状态之中。肯定是个民主的典範!

    有看过政论家说,其实,共产主义是最优良的政治社会体系。可惜,任何国家,如果要成功的实行共产体制,他们人民的素质必须要很高。目前在地球上,没有人能找到有这种素质的群体。

    所以民主制度也好,共产制度也罢,要成功的实施,重点还是人民的素质。

    看看越南和菲律宾这两个国家。越南是个实行共产体制的国家,经过几十年的战乱,1975統一了,得到了和平的发展环境。在优秀人民的努力下,现在前景一片大好。再看菲律宾,自从马可斯倒台后,就是个民主政权当道的国家。二战后没经历过战争,但发展前景有比越南好吗?杜特地的强人作风反而使这个民主国家看到了一些希望。

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  • KL touched me w/o my consent:

    Poor Pan Kinlian, he’s – or was it she? – still enamored with the proPAPgandists, his old (current?) political masters after all this while, this PAProstitute of a Kinlian.

    The “bad examples” of democracies you gave, Kinlian, are all better societies – DEMOCRATICALLY – than your sick little Prostitutes and Pimps-run sinkingpoor, yew sick perv uncle of 75 Bras Basah (if social media was as vibrant as it is today during the time you were going round the floors massaging those spaghetti-strapped office girls’ exposed bare necks, you’d be stoned to death online by now instead of still having the freedom to be posting your stoopid thoughts made up of nothing but poo poo poops!!!).

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  • KL touched me w/o my consent:

    And please watch your humsup piggy hands when you’re next (especially around women) in crowded Hong Lim Park. MAKE SURE THEY DON’T WANDER INTO FORBIDDEN AREAS!

    We will make sure you won’t be let off with a 12-month conditional warning if you misbehave like the time you did every day at 75 Bras Basah but to put your whole clan to shame, not just you. You had gotten away too cheaply.

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  • oxygen:

    @ 潘金莲:

    BOTH VIETNAM AND PHILIPPINES ARE RIDDLED WITH CORRUPTION on a massive scale. They are lousy model of development economics. Democracy might be noisy and sometimes ugly parliamentary clashes BUT THEIR SOCIETY IS RICH WITH RENEWAL AND INNOVATION stemming from challenges within and from without.

    潘金莲: 陈金莲这次说得好,赞!

    民主制度实施得比较好的例子?有!新加坡是个完完全全的民主国家,现在一切都在良好状态之中。肯定是个民主的典範!

    有看过政论家说,其实,共产主义是最优良的政治社会体系。可惜,任何国家,如果要成功的实行共产体制,他们人民的素质必须要很高。目前在地球上,没有人能找到有这种素质的群体。

    所以民主制度也好,共产制度也罢,要成功的实施,重点还是人民的素质。

    看看越南和菲律宾这两个国家。越南是个实行共产体制的国家,经过几十年的战乱,1975統一了,得到了和平的发展环境。在优秀人民的努力下,现在前景一片大好。再看菲律宾,自从马可斯倒台后,就是个民主政权当道的国家。二战后没经历过战争,但发展前景有比越南好吗?杜特地的强人作风反而使这个民主国家看到了一些希望。

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  • UniQ:

    Great Asia: a) In the US, there is gridlock in Congress. Both parties do not agree on many policies. Congress does not agree with the President. The current President has less votes than his opponent during the presidential election. The elected politicians are more beholden to their financial donors rather than their voters.

    Ehh..
    Mr Tan….”President has less votes than his opponent during the presidential election.” care to rephrase this before you get bared by the FBI when you are entering US. The actual electoral votes was proven to have been rigged by the blues before this current president enters office by wire tapping and designed Russian Traps. You have been watching too much CNN (which rating has drop to less than 20%) liao….sigh….

    The Blues are going into a very serious swamp draining by AG Barr right now after the Mueller report (We hope to have an AG like Barr after the next election). Please have your facts right before you start uttering. Sinkies are not like yesteryears…

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  • UniQ:

    Great Asia:
    b) In the UK, the Parliament is not able to pass the bill to leave the European Union, due to disputes between the major parties. This dispute cannot be solved after several rounds. It is another form of gridlock, i.e. inability to come to a decision.

    And you expect your elected PM to address an unelected official in the EU Excellency ? What logic ? Bottomline…weak PM. The referendum wants UK to pay Multi-Billions to EU when they leave. The current ruling parties dare not reveal the truth to the people, thus trying to stall.

    The agreement was idiotically signed by the PM during the forming of EU.

    Leave it to the Brexit Party and they will show EU how it is done.

    Get your facts right. Sinkies now are not like what you think they are in the past….

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  • UniQ:

    Great Asia:
    c) In Indonesia, the results of the Presidential election are still being disputed by both contestants even after voting was completed several weeks earlier. The country is divided, rather than united, after the election.

    Its the culture of the land. Do you have a solution when the voter are split between the Military and the people ?

    Don’t Fart…its a culture where democracy is not he problem. That is not a smart way to point finger at a matured and proven system, no matter how liberal one is.

    Equilibrium will eventually find its way…as people still need to put food on the table every single day.

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    Great Asia:
    d) In Thailand, the results of the general election are still being disputed. The major parties are not able to form a coalition govt.

    You want to dispute with the king, where the Military is solely under his command ?

    Like I said, Monarchy has to look after themselves, and the people has another view. Do you know how long the Train Tacks were stalled outside Don Muang Airport under a people elected gahmen ?

    No matter, equilibrium will still be found. In this case Thailand has proven time and again that its a very attractive land and thus the economy will remain is very strong, people are still employed, prices for locals to survive are still very much in order.

    If you do not look at the bigger picture and just utter News Flashes that does not reflect the real scene, what are you then ? Trying to sian you way thru that Democracy is failing ? …another brain washed liberals that don’t use brain and light on the ears….Sigh….

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  • 陈金莲 Singsong:

    说得好!! 人民素质是重点。
    人民素质好,国家以人民当主人
    人民素质差,人民为国主当牛马。

    共产主义优良是否
    民主制度优良是否
    就先问实施成功是否

    有那几个共产主义体系是老老实实靠共产制度而成功的啊?
    经过几十年的“努力”最后还不是落得对外开放?
    黑猫白猫的让民主大阿哥民主群雄们给扶持了好十几年才有今天?

    反观有那几个民主体系是靠共产国家起步的啊?
    典範民主制度的印度发展前景有比越南差? 人民素质? 强人作风? 共产优良体系?

    潘金莲:
    陈金莲这次说得好,赞!

    民主制度实施得比较好的例子?有!新加坡是个完完全全的民主国家,现在一切都在良好状态之中。肯定是个民主的典範!

    有看过政论家说,其实,共产主义是最优良的政治社会体系。可惜,任何国家,如果要成功的实行共产体制,他们人民的素质必须要很高。目前在地球上,没有人能找到有这种素质的群体。

    所以民主制度也好,共产制度也罢,要成功的实施,重点还是人民的素质。

    看看越南和菲律宾这两个国家。越南是个实行共产体制的国家,经过几十年的战乱,1975統一了,得到了和平的发展环境。在优秀人民的努力下,现在前景一片大好。再看菲律宾,自从马可斯倒台后,就是个民主政权当道的国家。二战后没经历过战争,但发展前景有比越南好吗?杜特地的强人作风反而使这个民主国家看到了一些希望。

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  • 六脉神剑:

    潘金莲, 我看你是昧着良心说瞎话。新加坡是个一党专制,独揽大权的假民主国家。个人言论和集会自由的权利都没有的国家,还算什么民主国家?我想请问你所谓的完完全全的民主国家的
    定义是什么?以下只是一起案例,类似的案例,不计其数。请你不要发不正确的信息,误导国民。

    https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2017/10/01/activist-arrested-by-police-outside-of-parliament-house-after-standing-alone-with-artpiece/

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  • mike:

    Earth has natural disasters, and since we can’t migrate out of earth yet, does that means we gonna exterminate ourself?

    TKL, you do have serious deficiencies. Please don’t bother to come into politics. You may be worse than what we are having.

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  • Bad Boy:

    http://m.kdnet.net/topic-13278206.html
    王志安炮轰中药注射液,这把操作是什么水平?

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  • Asddd:

    I think parliment is suppose to have debate and no pass if no conclusive good.. this tan king kong prefer communist party faking democracy…

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  • 潘金莲:

    oxygen:
    @ 潘金莲:

    BOTH VIETNAM AND PHILIPPINES ARE RIDDLED WITH CORRUPTION on a massive scale. They are lousy model of development economics. Democracy might be noisy and sometimes ugly parliamentary clashes BUT THEIR SOCIETY IS RICH WITH RENEWAL AND INNOVATION stemming from challenges within and from without.

    越南人火烧屋子的时候,氧气会去帮忙。菲律宾人火烧屋子的时候,氧气也会去帮忙。所以氧气是比较公正的。

    不错,在民主政体下,民间声音会比较多元,声量会比较大,政府也会受到比较多的监督。但这就是民主的最终目的吗?

    人民是要过好生活,丰衣足食,安定和谐,不要浪费公帑,不要浪费资源,不要造成气侯变迁,发展要能持续,财富要平均分配。。。。民主政体能给人们这些吗?

    有些民主政体是比较成功的,瑞士,瑞典,挪威,芬兰。他们能有这些成就,自然环境和人民素质的作用非常重要。

    再地球的其他较落,我们只看到政党恶斗,人民分化,社会不和谐,贫富不均,浪费公帑,浪费资源,政府停摆,政党只为选票而不顾国家利益。。。。太多了!

    再说,菲律宾曾经是东南亚经济最发达的国家之一,在民主的折腾下,现在成了什么样子?

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  • 潘金莲:

    陈金莲 Singsong:
    说得好!! 人民素质是重点。
    人民素质好,国家以人民当主人
    人民素质差,人民为国主当牛马。

    共产主义优良是否
    民主制度优良是否
    就先问实施成功是否

    有那几个共产主义体系是老老实实靠共产制度而成功的啊?
    经过几十年的“努力”最后还不是落得对外开放?
    黑猫白猫的让民主大阿哥民主群雄们给扶持了好十几年才有今天?

    反观有那几个民主体系是靠共产国家起步的啊?
    典範民主制度的印度发展前景有比越南差? 人民素质? 强人作风? 共产优良体系?

    共产主义在民主政治之后出现,原因就是因为民主政体不是完美的。但共产思维太理想化了,所以只能有乌托邦而无法建立真正的民间乐土。。

    世上没有东西是静止的。现有的共产国家已和原版大大不一样。他们还在改善,不能说这就是抄袭民主的做法。只要他们能克服一些制度上的瓶颈,例如领导人如何产生的问题,难说他们日后会成为比较好的摸式。

    印度土地比越南大十倍,人口是越南的十三倍有多。在量来说,印度的确是比越南强。不过越南的人口比较单元,文字也統一,地域差异不大,人民素质优秀,苦干能干,在澳洲,美国,加拿大和法国都有很多越裔社群。越南人向前迈进的包覆比印度人轻得多多了!

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  • 潘金莲:

    六脉神剑:
    潘金莲, 我看你是昧着良心说瞎话。新加坡是个一党专制,独揽大权的假民主国家。个人言论和集会自由的权利都没有的国家,还算什么民主国家?我想请问你所谓的完完全全的民主国家的
    定义是什么?以下只是一起案例,类似的案例,不计其数。请你不要发不正确的信息,误导国民。

    https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2017/10/01/activist-arrested-by-police-outside-of-parliament-house-after-standing-alone-with-artpiece/

    要请问这位爱玩剑的朋友有那一个民主因素新加坡不具备的?

    逮捕了一个在国会大厦外挥舞着一片纸皮的人就使新加坡失去了是一个民主国家的事实?

    新加坡有许多在野政党,国会内也有反对党阵营的议员,一切都很好呀!

    美中不足的就是有人要把现状改变,改变成他们喜欢的样子,在民主社会,喜欢现状的人不认同要改变的人,这是他们的国民权利呀。那些要改变的人有什么权力去骂他们笨,骂他们傻,甚至用粗话去汚辱他们。这样算是民主吗?

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  • why is he given a space here?:

    The propanganda is strong with this one, and the one Chinese supporting him. Are you trying to get PAP to pay for ur services again to steal the vote from the oppositions’ grip during elections? Just go hide in one corner can? Keeping your thoughts to yourself is the best public service you can do for SG. Don’t anyhow poison ppl’s mind with rubbish.

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  • 陈金莲合唱团:

    说得好!!

    民主政治在威权霸政之后出现,虽然不是完美,但还以民主,打造民生民乐.

    共产思维是理想化乌托邦,连领导人如何产生都能成瓶颈成问题!好比皇帝传位一样头痛棘手。
    改善? 索性就来个终身制好了! 的确和原版大大不一样, 山寨版变相为皇权制。

    印度土地比越南大十倍,人口十三倍有多,地域差异大,文字不統一,人口不单元,在人民素质苦干能干有不比越南,包覆却比越南重得多多之下,典範民主印度的发展前景还比共产主义越南强?

    潘金莲也singsong !

    潘金莲: 共产主义在民主政治之后出现,原因就是因为民主政体不是完美的。但共产思维太理想化了,所以只能有乌托邦而无法建立真正的民间乐土。。

    世上没有东西是静止的。现有的共产国家已和原版大大不一样。他们还在改善,不能说这就是抄袭民主的做法。只要他们能克服一些制度上的瓶颈,例如领导人如何产生的问题,难说他们日后会成为比较好的摸式。

    印度土地比越南大十倍,人口是越南的十三倍有多。在量来说,印度的确是比越南强。不过越南的人口比较单元,文字也統一,地域差异不大,人民素质优秀,苦干能干,在澳洲,美国,加拿大和法国都有很多越裔社群。越南人向前迈进的包覆比印度人轻得多多了!

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  • 六脉神剑:

    潘金莲, 我爱不爱玩剑, 不关你事。
    新加坡不民主的事情一萝筐,可以写成一本书或者拍成一部卖座电影。自己去网络睁大眼看-看,铁一般的事实一大堆,不要做个井底之蛙。不要只看主流媒体的报道,很多事实真相都一一被主流媒体删除了,对政府有负面影响的新闻鲜有报道,反而是外国媒体在报道。国会刚刚通过防止网络假信息和网络操纵法案。一个真正民主的国家,不需要假信息和网络操纵法案来打压言论自由。只有没有信心,不得民心与无能的政府才会这么做。自己好好反省反省吧。

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  • mike:

    潘金莲,

    你的逻辑像屎一样浑臭。
    因为你吃了会拉臭屎,你就停止吃饭吗?你说说看,咱们讨论一下屎和饭的关系如何?

    民主过程的一些弊病不代表民主本身有问题。一个优良的体系是透明和能够自我调整。
    新加坡走到今天不乏自我调整,但这近二十年的调整是独裁化的为了巩固势力,非实力。
    新加坡的这一路如果不悬崖勒马,最终会走向自我毁灭。

    我不明白为何要以中文跟你说这屁话。所以我不会再与你进行这无谓的屁争论。

    天佑我国民能觉悟。

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