Why I appear to be pro-China

Someone observed that I appear to be pro-China in my posts.

He asked why do I support a communist country that bans Facebook, Google and other social media platforms and censors the flow of information to their citizens?

Here are my reasons:

a) China has been able to make tremendous progress in developing their country.

b) It has brought hundred of million citizens out of poverty.

c) It allows its own social media platforms, such as Baidu, WeChat and similar platforms. The western platforms have their political bias.

d) The communist party is able to produce its leaders through a democratic voting system within the party.

I am not in favor of western democratic systems that are controlled by the elites and influenced by the media funded by the elites. They make a mockery of democracy.

I believe that the communist system in China has its flaws, but I do not criticize them because they are “communist”. I look at the results of their system.

On the whole, the communist system in China has found the right balance in bringing a better life for its people. I expect that as they become more developed, they will change to be a more free system. It will take time.

 

Tan Kin Lian

 

 

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70 Responses to “Why I appear to be pro-China”

  • NotMyProblem:

    There are only 2 communist countries left in the world. When you said you are pro-China, I am sure you are not pro-communist. Otherwise you will be pro-North Korea too.

    Better lives for the people in a country is dependent largely on it’s leaders. China and North Korea are both communist, you can see the great differences.

    Corruption is still exist in China, likewise in Singapore. Both corruption are hidden out of sight. Some minor corruptions were caught just for shows.

    Singapore is run like a community country hiding behind democracy.

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  • Went to Japan:

    China is moving to a dictatorship under Xi.

    Democracy has its flaws but people can choose every 4-5 years, in China it is one man above billion.

    China is doing well economically but one man decides everything. Currently in China, the govt is pushing poor people from the key cities and not compensating them much and also forcing them to pay for relocation. And there is nothing these poor people can do.\

    In Singapore case, it is becoming a dictatorship as the same family is planning to have their own family run the state.

    Democracy has its flaws but people can choose every few years while dictatorship is forever like in North Korea or China.

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  • TruBlu:

    WHAT ABOUT “ELITE$” in CHINA as well?

    there are so many BILLIONAIRES who do make their money from OFFICIAL POSITIONS AND /OR CONNECTIONS?

    No doubt,the CHINESE LEADERS are trying to spread wealth but the divide is just as gaping in some democratic/free countries like mighty USA?

    Nothing wrong with democracies unless they act more like STRAIGHT CAPITLIST$?

    THATS ANOTHER EXTREME.
    EVEN IN MIGHTY FREE USA,the BOTTOM 50 PCT GET $CREWED BIGLY AS IN SIN CITY which is not exactly a democracy and looks more “communist” in some aspects?

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  • TruBlu:

    btw,China is not really an economic role model to be copied elsewhere.
    its farm boys and gals can easily be subject to really ‘peanuts pay’ and still have no choice but to work like modern slaves in factories etc.

    thats why cost of production is still among the lowest.

    it can produce more cheaply that many others at the expense of lowly workers.

    if the pay of bottom strata of workers is that good,why do so many still flock overseas like SG to find work as cleaners etc?

    i think the japanese takes better care of their PEOPLE/WORKERS by and large.
    thats why wealth distribution is better spread out and their billionaires are not so numerous for such a big economy?

    is japan a communist country or a democracy or?

    well,its THE PEOPLE CULTURE that counts.
    its how LEADERS VIEW THEIR OWN COUNTRYMEN in the end.

    no doubt,we should not practise beggar thy neighbour policy as that is destructive in the end.

    in a way,CHINA is ‘beggarring’ its nieghbours by some unfair competition practices.

    other countries like VIETBAMESE may take after the Chinese by and by?

    what about us?

    we screw our own LOCAL TALENTS and MAKE THEM CHRONICALLY REDUNDANT?

    IS THAT CLEVER…i doubt so.

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  • BlindDeafDumb:

    They went on a wrong footing mimicking Sin. They created a form of prosperity that enslaved millions to the rich corporate monsters. When the economy finally ripens, it will be like HK and Sin where deluded mental cases, and the injustices in the market place, will rise in huge numbers besides the huge gulf between the filthy rich or pigs and the majority of the deranged(screwed up) poor mediocre.

    The people are nothing but composting worms created to feed off garbage from the capitalist.

    You are what you consume and build. You are turning concrete into bread of meaningless existence and waste and the destruction of humanity, nature and ultimately the world.

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  • Darth Vader:

    It is very clear by now tkl is a delusional nutcase. Not in favor of western style democracy where the elite control the media? Does this idiot REALLY believe that the news media in China are independent of the communist party when everyone except tkl obviously knows they’re state owned and controlled? And the members able to elect their leaders? How does this idiot know that the leaders aren’t groomed and the members just rubber stamp their appointment?

    Please tkl, everyone ALREADY KNOWS you’re a complete idiot; you don’t have to keep proving it to everyone

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  • BK:

    Please. You not appear to support Communist China, u are in fact an apologist for them. So fair game. But your logic in many instances are not only shallow, but painfully inept.

    In your support of Communist China, u had advocated State enterprises, because that is what CCP uses. @ Rabble-rouser had given u a free lesson on that in another article, there is no need for me to revisit it here.

    But. Did the Communist party saved China or did it, by clamoring to join the WTO saved the Communist party? Is it not the Western economic system that helped lifted millions out of poverty? Where was China before Deng Xiaoping joined the Western democracy economic system?

    China joined WTO in 2001. This is a global economic system created by Western liberalism that came about after the collapsed of the Soviet bloc. Liberalism, economically, can be loosely defined as Western democracy celebratory hubris by opening up its markets. (Check Francis Fukuyama’s “The end of History”.)

    US under President Clinton concluded WTO in 1993. The promised of WTO was that every US family would gained US$ 17,000 within a decade (*). And that all workers of the world would benefit, and indeed, China and India did. It was said then, “from assured mutual destruction, to assured mutual prosperity”.

    Indeed, Deng Xiaooing saved China and the party through his ability to escape the clutches of ideology that is again creeping into the Communist party today.

    Quote: “I am not in favor of western democratic systems that are controlled by the elites and influenced by the media funded by the elites. They make a mockery of democracy.”

    Seriously? The elites of the Communist party have less control? They dont control the media? Total blackout of HK protests news in China is a coincidence? Can u do that in a Western democracy?

    Please do not conflate Singaporeans with PAP. Do not conflate the Chinese people with the Communist Party. Im not saying the Communist party is all bad. But your kind of logic seems so much liked parroting the Communist MSM.

    We have enough parrots in Singapore !!

    [(*) This promised was made without the understanding of how China would become the manufacturing hub of the world once it joined WTO. And how internet technology changed the power relations between labor and capital decisively. This set in motion the disenfranchised workers of the developed world that we see today]

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  • factotum:

    @NotMyProblem

    Three, not two communist countries left. There’s Cuba.

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  • Harder Truths:

    My puppy supports Vietnam – even though he would be eaten there.

    (I have given up trying to make sense of TKL’s posts and the response should be similar)

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  • No Corruption:

    The CCP likes the Sillypore model.
    One party rule and making planty of money.
    One big difference, CCP admitted corrupt is rampant and is cleaning up,
    while Pappies claimed there is no corruption because of the high pay.

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  • Rabble-rouser:

    An ex-CEO like Tan Kin Lian who shows an incredible shallow understanding of political economies – an indictment of the S’pore elites’ own [shortcomings of] intellectual level & S’pore’s societal [lack of] deep thinking capabilities which were distorted, compromised or shortchanged through:
    * obfuscation of S’pore’s educational system eg. Lim Chong Yah’s economic textbook which cleverly split between political discourse & economic choices by using simple definitions & simplistic narratives. The subtle reason being to undermine, undervalue the study of political science for S’pore. Instead focusing on economics directly without understanding the intertwined effects of political ideology, philosophy on their economic choices & on market structures;
    * a lifetime of censorship, pro-govt “skewed” news reporting & a lack of critical analyses & the thrust/rebuttal (Q&A) process; &
    * a lifetime of Authoritarian rule which created political sclerosis – an inability or reluctance to adapt or compromise for the greater good.
    The other weaknesses for S’poreans in general are the inability to see beyond black or white for patterns of greys. And also possessing a static view of the world instead of understanding the dynamic process & situation.
    Western Democracies today failed [fragmented, decayed] because of the mechanism which allowed the insidious corruptive effects of Corporate lobbying, political donations by wealthy individuals, vested “bought” politicians & misinformation, manipulations by various state bodies, media channels each with an agenda (Globalisation issues, Liberalism vs Conservatism choices, etc).
    On the other hand, China’s rise using a State Capitalism ideology with single mindedness took advantage of Globalisation to build on an Industrial Complex Base, constructed a Global Supply Chain & took, stole or reversed engineered their way through the learning curve. They have the momentum.
    But my narrative above doesn’t mean that Democracy structures failed whilst Chinese Communism in the form of State Capitalism succeeded. All are relative to time. Democracy may fail from time to time but the recourse is available (to voters) to redress the problems through the ballot box. But Authoritarian rule don’t have this redemption feature. And history have proven that Authoritarian regimes always collapsed because they have to run their full course before they run out of economic options [FAILED STATE] or lose people’s trust [REVOLUTION OR UPRISING].
    To form an opinion even before the chicken have hatched is premature & silly. And that is the problem of Elitist thinking in S’pore today – forming strong opinions without rigorous thought processes & research.

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  • 你其实有很多问题!:

    NotMyProblem:
    There are only 2 communist countries left in the world. When you said you are pro-China, I am sure you are not pro-communist. Otherwise you will be pro-North Korea too.

    Better lives for the people in a country is dependent largely on it’s leaders. China and North Korea are both communist, you can see the great differences.

    Corruption is still exist in China, likewise in Singapore. Both corruption are hidden out of sight. Some minor corruptions were caught just for shows.

    Singapore is run like a community country hiding behind democracy.

    越南不是共产国家??

    古巴不是共产国家??

    做好你的功课先!

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  • General Custer:

    Mr. Tan, there you go again, trying to gain attraction and also uplifting your self-esteem by putting out an article that does not augur well for your conscience!
    You know very well that Communist China does not allow freedom of speech let alone religious belief. You will not be allowed to vote as there is only one party that will dominate till kingdom come!
    If you are preparing for the coming GE you need not use all these to promote yourself!
    The voters know you well as the “spoiler” in the PE and now hoping to get into Parliament! Sorry La!

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  • Ah Lee Baba Booba #06-195:

    All media is controlled one way or another by either elites or govt in their respective countries. You probably heard of free press that gets bumped off for exposing certain things.

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  • 苏萊蔓:

    有点怪怪的!

    中国加入了世贸组织,经济得到了发展改善,所以中国的经济发展全是世贸组织的功劳?

    所以,某个人考进了哈佛,最终拿到了博士学位,功劳都是哈佛的?

    多年前碰到一个从英格兰来的盎格鲁撒克逊。他说:新加坡这么成功,因为以前她是大英帝国的。香港这么成功,因为她以前是大英帝国的。汶莱这么成功,因为她以前是大英帝国的!

    伟哉,大英帝国和大英帝国的教悔!

    BK:
    Please. You not appear to support Communist China, u are in fact an apologist for them. So fair game. But your logic in many instances are not only shallow, but painfully inept.

    In your support of Communist China, u had advocated State enterprises, because that is what CCP uses. @ Rabble-rouser had given u a free lesson on that in another article, there is no need for me to revisit it here.

    But. Did the Communist party saved China or did it, by clamoring to join the WTO saved the Communist party? Is it not the Western economic system that helped lifted millions out of poverty? Where was China before Deng Xiaoping joined the Western democracy economic system?

    China joined WTO in 2001. This is a global economic system created by Western liberalism that came about after the collapsed of the Soviet bloc. Liberalism, economically, can be loosely defined as Western democracy celebratory hubris by opening up its markets. (Check Francis Fukuyama’s “The end of History”.)

    US under President Clinton concluded WTO in 1993. The promised of WTO was that every US family would gained US$ 17,000 within a decade (*). And that all workers of the world would benefit, and indeed, China and India did. It was said then, “from assured mutual destruction, to assured mutual prosperity”.

    Indeed, Deng Xiaooing saved China and the party through his ability to escape the clutches of ideology that is again creeping into the Communist party today.

    Quote: “I am not in favor of western democratic systems that are controlled by the elites and influenced by the media funded by the elites. They make a mockery of democracy.”

    Seriously? The elites of the Communist party have less control? They dont control the media? Total blackout of HK protests news in China is a coincidence? Can u do that in a Western democracy?

    Please do not conflate Singaporeans with PAP. Do not conflate the Chinese people with the Communist Party. Im not saying the Communist party is all bad. But your kind of logic seems so much liked parroting the Communist MSM.

    We have enough parrots in Singapore !!

    [(*) This promised was made without the understanding of how China would become the manufacturing hub of the world once it joined WTO. And how internet technology changed the power relations between labor and capital decisively. This set in motion the disenfranchised workers of the developed world that we see today]

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  • Political Parties not PAP:

    Often many senior friends were wondering how a long standing unperformed bootlickers can survive to receive lp approval to run for Presidency

    a] aiding another long standing bootlicker, betrayal of his long Brit lordship dreaming uncle with his near realization got shattered by an envious n pride hurt aka public tearing striken Brit loving daft reverse LP (alt Long Playing)

    b] abetting another long standing bootlicker but delegated to be a black face n realizing a bit too late of no consequence n out of Le’ familiar fury, rojaked with envy n injustice within evils

    Be suddenly talking so much cocks n bulls stories. Citizens netizens, do u know why? Do think over it n surely u will come out with good reasons. Just a hint, why bootlicker licks? What n when a bootlicker’s hope turns envy (rem normally envy leads to greed but when n how it reverses ie greed leads to envy n revenge )

    Political parties, not plp self inflicted pap, heeds the political wisdom, use not bootlickers as they only aid the rich n powerful but also susceptible to blackmailing generosity but turn around like a cobra. Remember the famous s*ake analogy in the old time. SW n plps r fav targets!

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  • oxygen:

    MR. TAN KIN LIAN, you are a MARVEL of GENIUS incomparable and the DEPTH of your masterpiece here is beyond my comprehension. I at least roamed in China for a few years – an eye-opener for me of the real China.

    It seems to me your thoughts have these presumptions or windy happy contradictions just like PAPpypolitics – history, progress and innovation ALL WALK BACKWARD.

    If you should contest the next Presidential election again, no matter who or what spicie contesting, YOU GOT MY VOTE!

    BRAVO!!!

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  • 苏萊蔓牙檫檫:

    中国 joint 世贸组织 (WTO) only in Dec 2001. Of course 中国的经济发展 is not entirely due to WTO.

    中国的经济发展 has everything to do with its open door policy in 1978. Open doors to western technology, money, market and legal framework.

    If you are so poor like 中国经济 before 1978, how to afford to go 哈佛? Somebody must have given you the money, scholarship or exempt fee for you to go 考哈佛 correct? or it’s only due to your 功劳?

    And you study in 哈佛 all by yourself ? no professor, no lecturers, no library, no brilliant classmates, no safe environment or it’s only due to your 功劳?

    When you receive not any 博士学位 but 哈佛博士学位, it’s only entirely due to your 功劳?

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  • patriot of TUMASIK:

    Tan Ahhhh!!! China has a HISTORY that goes back 5,000 years so HOW???…another 5,000 years to reach what you supposedly say that they should be at???

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  • BK:

    Talent is nothing without opportunity. Which comes first? Yes, let’s give credit where it is due.

    But remember, it is not the Soviet opening the way. It is an ‘ideological enemy’. It is certainly Deng Xiao Peng pragmatism that I applaud. I

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  • oxygen:

    @ 苏萊蔓:

    @ BK IS RIGHT. Without ascension to WTO,Chinese exports to the global market faced IMPEDED tariffs, maybe discriminatory, in different markets. Once inside WTO, it is all standardised within WTO rules.

    China of course exploited that opening with productive energy and vigor to dominate global manufacturing backed by efficient, modern infrastructure.

    苏萊蔓: 有点怪怪的!

    中国加入了世贸组织,经济得到了发展改善,所以中国的经济发展全是世贸组织的功劳?

    所以,某个人考进了哈佛,最终拿到了博士学位,功劳都是哈佛的?

    多年前碰到一个从英格兰来的盎格鲁撒克逊。他说:新加坡这么成功,因为以前她是大英帝国的。香港这么成功,因为她以前是大英帝国的。汶莱这么成功,因为她以前是大英帝国的!

    伟哉,大英帝国和大英帝国的教悔!

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  • Asd:

    Carry people balls you number 1… what idea you have of China 20 years back ?

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  • TKL pro Communist Party:

    Mr TKL

    Let me rebut you point by point :

    TKL said :
    A) China has been able to make tremendous progress in developing their country.

    I say :
    China developed the country well. But it’s air pollution is probably the world’s worst. If you say develop a country well, are you CHERRY PICKING things that are well and hiding things that are not well?
    You also need to consider what is the strategy used by China to gain prosperity. I shall explain in points below.

    TKL said :
    b) It has brought hundred of million citizens out of poverty.

    I say :
    Is being rich great?
    Is bringing people out of poverty great?
    Using what method?
    A Prostitute, conman, murderer, robber, corrupt man, toxic milk powder manufacturer , IP Thief could bring many out of poverty. Is being rich great if it’s done by IP THEFt of the western world inventions (especially in the begininng stage)?

    Why not just Rob a Bank and bring people out of poverty? Is that great? If IP THEFT is great, then the WEST is even greater because without the western inventions that has world demand, China could not have prospered.

    Jo Tek Lo also prospered. Is that great?
    If that’s great, just Rob a bank and be called great.

    TKL said :

    c) It allows its own social media platforms, such as Baidu, WeChat and similar platforms. The western platforms have their political bias.

    I say :

    China media no bias? So western media cannot have bias but China state owned enterprises can be biased? Mr Tan, your logic is fundamentally weak and wrong.

    TKL said :

    d) The communist party is able to produce its leaders through a democratic voting system within the party.

    I say :
    Loosely speaking you sound correct.
    On close scrutiny, your statement is wrong.
    What is being democratic?
    It has to be a democracy.
    Democracy is Electing leader by the Electorate. Selection is not Election.

    It’s like a company is running a country where the leader is SELECTED out of the talents within this company called the CCP.

    The Electorate Never Ever elected the leader. It was a selection within a elite group based on inbreeding.

    Since you are so pro communist party dictatorship, why not you join an authoritarian party and call it the Tan Kin Lian Pro Communist party dictatorship party?

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  • TKL pro Communist Party:

    To add on,
    Prosperity is not due to the Political model as much as it is due to the Economic strategy or model.

    In a nutshell, the model is IP Theft.

    A sinkie would say, no! it feels like due to political model.
    Well, simple answer is North Korea , a cousin of China, is a dictatorship but it’s economic model is different.

    So, prosperity is not great if it’s achieved through unethical, immoral means.
    Prosperity did not come from political model as much as it came from economic model as proven by north Korea example.

    No I want to make some kind of clarifications.

    1. I am not against China per se.
    I am not against China people per se.
    I am against the Dictatorship model which shows no respect for human rights : kidnapping booksellers. TianAnMen massacre. Hacking the UK Basic Law thru extradition. Tibet issues. Among many others.

    China has remained using this old and brutal and merciless and draconian iron fisting rule by law model without any change. The modern world today will not accept this form of world leadership.
    USA is not perfect and dictator in her own right. But placed side by side, which is better?

    No one is saying USA is democracy.
    No country has perfected democracy.
    It’s like medicine. It’s got side effects. Many diseases no cure. Does it mean we do not rely on western medicine? Or Eastern medicine is also not perfect. Does it mean we take no medicine? To say because democracy has not been perfected by any country so we should choose China communist party dictatorship is a fundamentally flawed and rubbish thinking.

    Denmark, Switzerland, Finland. Not bad.

    Iraq, north korea

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  • TKL pro Communist Party:

    …continued:

    Iraq during Saddam time, north Korea, Very Bad.

    So my point is, I am not against China.
    The problem is XJP and the CCP.

    As Chris Patten hinted, the political model of China is not compatible or suitable with the modern world, though these are not his exact words. Just my interpretation.

    Not sustainable.

    We must not support CCP just because we are Chinese.

    If China can be humane and reasonable more will support China. Will be easier to make HK people accept China and be proud of it. Likewise , a non dictatorship, non human rights violator China can even win the hearts of Taiwanese.

    This is how China can really lead the world and surpass the USA. As you can see, supporting democracy does not mean have to support USA.

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  • patriot of TUMASIK:

    BK:
    Please. You not appear to support Communist China, u are in fact an apologist for them. So fair game. But your logic in many instances are not only shallow, but painfully inept.

    In your support of Communist China, u had advocated State enterprises, because that is what CCP uses. @ Rabble-rouser had given u a free lesson on that in another article, there is no need for me to revisit it here.

    But. Did the Communist party saved China or did it, by clamoring to join the WTO saved the Communist party? Is it not the Western economic system that helped lifted millions out of poverty? Where was China before Deng Xiaoping joined the Western democracy economic system?

    China joined WTO in 2001. This is a global economic system created by Western liberalism that came about after the collapsed of the Soviet bloc. Liberalism, economically, can be loosely defined as Western democracy celebratory hubris by opening up its markets. (Check Francis Fukuyama’s “The end of History”.)

    US under President Clinton concluded WTO in 1993. The promised of WTO was that every US family would gained US$ 17,000 within a decade (*). And that all workers of the world would benefit, and indeed, China and India did. It was said then, “from assured mutual destruction, to assured mutual prosperity”.

    Indeed, Deng Xiaooing saved China and the party through his ability to escape the clutches of ideology that is again creeping into the Communist party today.

    Quote: “I am not in favor of western democratic systems that are controlled by the elites and influenced by the media funded by the elites. They make a mockery of democracy.”

    Seriously? The elites of the Communist party have less control? They dont control the media? Total blackout of HK protests news in China is a coincidence? Can u do that in a Western democracy?

    Please do not conflate Singaporeans with PAP. Do not conflate the Chinese people with the Communist Party. Im not saying the Communist party is all bad. But your kind of logic seems so much liked parroting the Communist MSM.

    We have enough parrots in Singapore !!

    [(*) This promised was made without the understanding of how China would become the manufacturing hub of the world once it joined WTO. And how internet technology changed the power relations between labor and capital decisively. This set in motion the disenfranchised workers of the developed world that we see today]

    Wonderful Rebuttal to TKL’s little Knowledge…salute!!! the likes of Oxy Rr & you my fren is a tru reflection of what Singapore is all about…With eyes that do NOT see and Ears that do NOT HEAR!!!

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  • MarBowling:

    Btw how old is this TKL? Already acts and speaks like his best friend Woody! Holee shit!

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  • 苏莱蔓:

    BK:
    Talent is nothing without opportunity. Which comes first? Yes, let’s give credit where it is due.

    But remember, it is not the Soviet opening the way. It is an ‘ideological enemy’. It is certainly Deng Xiao Peng pragmatism that I applaud. I

    没有一大群勤劳苦干又聪明的人民,相信实用主义的邓小平也只不过是个五尺二寸的光干子!

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  • oxygen:

    @ 苏萊蔓牙檫檫:

    CLAP CLAP CLAP, BRILLIANT CONTRIBUTION from you there. You cut the chase shutting down the shallow pandering of shameless exhibition in this thread article.

    Deng XP was a “capitalist roader” – a good one for China. POO YI was a disgrace – a blank piece of paper which the Japanese overlord paint whatever picture they like – a sad shameful ending to feudal rule of authoritarianism in China.

    WTO is not the sole savior of China’s economic transformation BUT IT CHANGED CHINA’S ECONOMIC LANDSCAPE on a scale of no precedent in economic history. It INTEGRATED CHINESE ECONOMY onto the globalised market – no longer have to deal with FRAGMENTED mkts, differentiated quirky tariff laws in each mkt, fragment suppliers,- HENCE DIFFICULT TO EXPLOIT MASSIVE ECONOMIES OF SCALE EFFECTS IN STANDARDIZED MANUFACTURING.

    I watched the automotive industry. Japanese has less product lines than European makes before 1980s – more costs efficiency, less capital investment, lower depreciation write off taking advantage of economies of scale and cheaper Yen before the PLAZA accord. Japanese were exporting cars into US on a massive scale which europeans can’t do.That nearly destroyed Chrysler.

    With WTO ascension, Chinese auto copied Japanese car industry corporate strategy. They shared SAME suppliers, some parts, limited product lines and standardised SUPPLY CHAIN MANAGEMENT – EVEN THEY COMPETE WITH EACH OTHER INSIDE CHINA.

    Foreign car manufacturers – seeing the Chinese exploiting the scale economies effect quickly moved into China – IF NOT THEY SURE DIE – EATEN UP BY CHINESE COMPETITION SOON TO EXPORT TO GLOBAL MARKET.

    CHINA IS WORLD FACTORY ON GLOBAL SCALE – LEARNING WESTERN, JAPANESE CAPITALISM SKILLS.

    TKL lives in a different era from us. History, progress and innovation walk backward for him – it seems.

    苏萊蔓牙檫檫: 中国 joint 世贸组织 (WTO) only in Dec 2001. Of course 中国的经济发展 is not entirely due to WTO.

    中国的经济发展 has everything to do with its open door policy in 1978. Open doors to western technology, money, market and legal framework.

    If you are so poor like 中国经济 before 1978, how to afford to go 哈佛? Somebody must have given you the money, scholarship or exempt fee for you to go 考哈佛 correct? or it’s only due to your 功劳?

    And you study in 哈佛 all by yourself ? no professor, no lecturers, no library, no brilliant classmates, no safe environment or it’s only due to your 功劳?

    When you receive not any 博士学位 but 哈佛博士学位, it’s only entirely due to your 功劳?

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  • oxygen:

    @ 苏萊蔓牙檫檫:

    WTO ASCENSION GAVE CHINA THE THE SECOND LEG UP THE ECONOMIC LADDER TO GREATER HEIGHTS on the global stage which would be an immense handicap if she is left out or unable to join.

    You see that in the automotive industry. Outside China, you see Fiat-Chrysler, Nissan-Renault etc etc. and inside China, lot of foreign-Chinese tie-up instead of coming in of head on competition with Chinese auto-makers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automobile_manufacturers_of_China

    IT IS ECONOMIES OF SCALE AND EFFICIENCY OF SUPPLY CHAIN MANAGEMENT WORKING TOGETHER TO MAXIMUM COMPETITIVE EFFECTS.

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  • Anonymous incognito:

    Wow what a water carrier you are.
    China got rich by stealing the technology and because greedy businessmen gladly opened factories which then would manufacture counterfeits.
    As if China’s social media isn’t biased. Of course it is
    The wealth comes at a very high cost.
    Democratic elections??
    You want to read @baldingsworld twitter feed

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  • Bad Boy:

    @ TKL pro Communist Party

    Well said.

    Mr TKL reading too much China state own propaganda global times and ignoring all the real true stuff in China.

    Example, there was previously news of China twin child strike with serious illness ( i think cancer if recall correctly ). As cost of treatment was high and therefore they make the decision to draw lots to rescue one and abandon the other 兩個只能救一個. They also appeal and beg for donations. In the end , it was Taiwan celebrities 黑人范偉琪 donate the bigger amount.

    Nay bay , China no plenty of super rich and rich man mah? Their fortunes how many thousand times more than the above celebrities. Yet none lend a helping hand plus the amount really peanuts to them. But instead China always 含打含殺 against Taiwan. What the shit !

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  • lying pap liars:

    what is corruption? depends on how you define it.

    if applied via the honest vs dishonesty measurement, pap Singapore is corrupt as hell. just that with a pliant parleeement, all the corruption anywhere else in the honest world become legalized here.

    hire wife in S$m role? even corrupt najib didn’t do it.

    send S$billions to pap PA in the guise of parleeement approval when the S$billions are used for pap political advantage? even corrupt najib didn’t do it.

    the list is long. the contentions exist. just that until New Government by a better group of Singaporeans is in power, there is no chance for honest truth to surface in current corrupt pap Singapore.

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  • @TKL Pro C' Party:

    Are you Chinese? Are you jealous of China progress which western media has hailed unprecedented in human history.

    Did china government kill all or almost of tibet people then let in han Chinese take over the region like the USA did hundred of years ago to the red Indians? And there are many cases in the last 500 years the western countries did to other countries.

    China is pouring money into tibet to build infrastructure and many things to make better life for the local people, so are the places where minorities live. How other countries such as India fare in this aspect.

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  • Dr M is also an indian:

    China ?

    I thought China rich , snapping up all the durians as many pro china fans commented.

    How come PRC buy durian in sg also problem. End up having a row and viral video with durian seller ?

    Shouldnt the situation be durians arrived in sg stalls , immediately 50% all sold out to PRCs and within days, many sg locals have no durians to eat. Sellers have to place order immediately. Sg locals report to police and complain to MPs about PRCs sao ka liao!

    Shouldnt it be sg locals having a row with durian sellers ?

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  • XJP is not China:

    Being Pro-China does not mean being Pro-XJP or pro-CCP.

    A SG Chinese may feel proud that China is rising to the top.

    So they feel a race bias to want to support China by supporting CCP or XJP.

    But they get confused.

    See, XJP is not China.
    CCP is not China.

    I would only support a China if it’s leader is no longer ruler of a Communist party Dictatorship.

    Some easily get confused. They think Communist party Dictatorship is inaccurate because China is not a Communist country.

    Well, China is ruled by Communist party of China. This party rules China as a dictatorship.

    Just because china is a socialist capitalism does not mean it is not ruled by the COMMUNIST PARTY.

    Political systems are never a pure political system. Even a democracy elsewhere is run like a Dictatorship. I cannot reveal the name of this country.

    If XJP is ousted and the CCP is destroyed and the new ruler respects human rights, then I would support the new China and the new political system.

    Chinese spread all over the world are able to live happily outside China and prefer to live outside China. So to rule the Chinese need not only can be achieved by the current China political model using Draconian laws and brutality without respect for human rights.

    So let’s not be confused that because you are Chinese sg you must support China. You can support a better China.

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  • Bbc:

    Well said Mr Tan. Rulers are justified to rule only if the country is ruled on behalf of people and for betterment of people.

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  • Ggh:

    I don’t understand what the fuss is about. WTO rules are rules formulated by the world community of nations for orderly conduct of global trades. China has applied, negotiated and approved as a member. China has largely been compliance of WTO rules in the sense that there are less WTO dispute cases against China then say USA. So WTF China is owing favor to anyone? Who could claim condescending right to China? By what?

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  • Ggh:

    There would be for a long time to come some Chinese who are anti, hate China, even to the extent of being regretful, shameful and perhaps even hateful of being born Chinese and would try their best to draw a line with China, be less or non Chinese if possible. Some of these anti China feelings are with justifiable reasons in view of the many weaknesses in a new and immature system which are pronged to and full of mistakes, abuses of power, corruptions,crimes, incompetence, weak judicial system,…just like KMT or any other systems before. To me these are very unfortunate and Chinese collectively are/were responsible in the sense that as a people we had not been able to care for, steer and secured our our own people’s wellbeing in the recent past few hundred years at least. And as a people Chinese had paid enormous price with tens of millions lives perished, sufferings for these mistakes in terms of civil wars, foreign invasions, unequal and humiliating treaties, starvation, famines, floods and earthquakes.
    After all the great sufferings, China finally functions as a sovereign independent nation with strong government and clear targets and plans to lift the quality of life of people of China.
    Some of these pseudo, fake chinese, some intentionally, some foolishly, even undertake activities very often with hostile foreign forces to destabilise, undermine, harm the collective interests, security of Chinese people as a whole and China.
    Communism like any other systems is not necessarily bad or good and China and communism are not the same thing and therefore it is not justifiable to destroy China to the great harm of all Chinese people as a whole just because there are imperfections of CPC.
    Current modern China after thousands of years of ancient, dynastic rules, going through many great upheavals and sufferings is relatively young and imperfect in many aspects. I think it is the duty of every Chinese to help, defend and make China better(not in the sense of selling out China sovereign rights to foreign powers). From the experiences of people’s like Jews, Kurds and many others, some of these people suffered greatly, massacred, struggled and fought very hard for thousands of years to have their own country so that their destiny could be in their own hands, I think all chinese in the world who loves and are proud of their heritage should have some common understanding and desire to work towards a China:
    1 that is strong, prosperous with good values, cultures that are admirable globally;
    2. A country that is capable of protecting and standing up for the general security, well-being and interests of all Chinese people all over the world. Of course for oversea ethnic Chinese with non China citizenships, all these should be within the appropriate…

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  • Ggh:

    Quote part1

    “I have written similar comment for a HK protests related question. It is also relevant here I think. Hope this is ok.
    It is very encouraging and heart warming to know that there many people including non Chinese are concerned, defend and speak the truth for China. There would be for a long time to come some Chinese who are anti, hate China, even to the extent of being regretful, shameful and perhaps even hateful of being born Chinese and would try their best to draw a line with China, be less or non Chinese if possible. Some of these anti China feelings are with justifiable reasons in view of the many weaknesses in a new and immature system which are pronged to and full of mistakes, abuses of power, corruptions,crimes, incompetence, weak judicial system,…just like KMT or any other systems before. To me these are very unfortunate and Chinese collectively are/were responsible in the sense that as a people we had not been able to care for, steer and secured our our own people’s wellbeing in the recent past few hundred years at least. And as a people Chinese had paid enormous price with tens of millions lives perished, sufferings for these mistakes in terms of civil wars, foreign invasions, unequal and humiliating treaties, starvation, famines, floods and earthquakes.
    After all the great sufferings, China finally functions as a sovereign independent nation with strong government and clear targets and plans to lift the quality of life of people of China.
    Some of these pseudo, fake chinese, some intentionally, some foolishly, even undertake activities very often with hostile foreign forces to destabilise, undermine, harm the collective interests, security of Chinese people as a whole and China.

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  • Ggh:

    Part 1″ There would be for a long time to come some Chinese who are anti, hate China, even to the extent of being regretful, shameful and perhaps even hateful of being born Chinese and would try their best to draw a line with China, be less or non Chinese if possible. Some of these anti China feelings are with justifiable reasons in view of the many weaknesses in a new and immature system which are pronged to and full of mistakes, abuses of power, corruptions,crimes, incompetence, weak judicial system,…just like KMT or any other systems before. To me these are very unfortunate and Chinese collectively are/were responsible in the sense that as a people we had not been able to care for, steer and secured our our own people’s wellbeing in the recent past few hundred years at least. And as a people Chinese had paid enormous price with tens of millions lives perished, sufferings for these mistakes in terms of civil wars, foreign invasions, unequal and humiliating treaties, starvation, famines, floods and earthquakes.
    After all the great sufferings, China finally functions as a sovereign independent nation with strong government and clear targets and plans to lift the quality of life of people of China.
    Some of these pseudo, fake chinese, some intentionally, some foolishly, even undertake activities very often with hostile foreign forces to destabilise, undermine, harm the collective interests, security of Chinese people as a whole and China.

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  • Ghh:

    Quote part1
    “I have written similar comment for a HK protests related question. It is also relevant here I think. Hope this is ok.
    It is very encouraging and heart warming to know that there many people including non Chinese are concerned, defend and speak the truth for China. There would be for a long time to come some Chinese who are anti, hate China, even to the extent of being regretful, shameful and perhaps even hateful of being born Chinese and would try their best to draw a line with China, be less or non Chinese if possible. Some of these anti China feelings are with justifiable reasons in view of the many weaknesses in a new and immature system which are pronged to and full of mistakes, abuses of power, corruptions,crimes, incompetence, weak judicial system,…just like KMT or any other systems before. To me these are very unfortunate and Chinese collectively are/were responsible in the sense that as a people we had not been able to care for, steer and secured our our own people’s wellbeing in the recent past few hundred years at least. And as a people Chinese had paid enormous price with tens of millions lives perished, sufferings for these mistakes in terms of civil wars, foreign invasions, unequal and humiliating treaties, starvation, famines, floods and earthquakes.
    After all the great sufferings, China finally functions as a sovereign independent nation with strong government and clear targets and plans to lift the quality of life of people of China.
    Some of these pseudo, fake chinese, some intentionally, some foolishly, even undertake activities very often with hostile foreign forces to destabilise, undermine, harm the collective interests, security of Chinese people as a whole and China.

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  • Ghh:

    I think it is democratic right of Mr Tan to be pro China. Remember China and Communism is not the same thing.

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  • Fgh:

    TKL pro Communist Party:
    To add on,
    Prosperity is not due to the Political model as much as it is due to the Economic strategy or model.

    In a nutshell, the model is IP Theft.

    A sinkie would say, no! it feels like due to political model.
    Well, simple answer is North Korea , a cousin of China, is a dictatorship but it’s economic model is different.

    So, prosperity is not great if it’s achieved through unethical, immoral means.
    Prosperity did not come from political model as much as it came from economic model as proven by north Korea example.

    No I want to make some kind of clarifications.

    1. I am not against China per se.
    I am not against China people per se.
    I am against the Dictatorship model which shows no respect for human rights : kidnapping booksellers. TianAnMen massacre. Hacking the UK Basic Law thru extradition. Tibet issues. Among many others.

    China has remained using this old and brutal and merciless and draconian iron fisting rule by law model without any change. The modern world today will not accept this form of world leadership.
    USA is not perfect and dictator in her own right. But placed side by side, which is better?

    No one is saying USA is democracy.
    No country has perfected democracy.
    It’s like medicine. It’s got side effects. Many diseases no cure. Does it mean we do not rely on western medicine? Or Eastern medicine is also not perfect. Does it mean we take no medicine? To say because democracy has not been perfected by any country so we should choose China communist party dictatorship is a fundamentally flawed and rubbish thinking.

    Denmark, Switzerland, Finland. Not bad.

    Iraq, north korea

    sorry to tell you that
    I think you swallow western propaganda line hook and sinker.

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  • DevilsWorkshop:

    For those not enlightened by “end of history”
    Francis Fukuyama, an acclaimed American political philosopher, entered the global imagination at the end of the Cold War when he prophesied the “end of history” — a belief that, after the fall of communism, free-market liberal democracy had won out and would become the world’s “final form of human government.”

    He is, a prominent thinker and philosopher or prophet, challenging “the word”. How much of his position Singapore’s position being the “most competitive economy” they are?

    The people are not aware who the false prophets are.

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  • Ggh:

    Part 2 “Communism like any other systems is not necessarily bad or good and China and communism are not the same thing and therefore it is not justifiable to destroy China to the great harm of all Chinese people as a whole just because there are imperfections of CPC.
    Current modern China after thousands of years of ancient, dynastic rules, going through many great upheavals and sufferings is relatively young and imperfect in many aspects. I think it is the duty of every Chinese to help, defend and make China better(not in the sense of selling out China sovereign rights to foreign powers). From the experiences of people’s like Jews, Kurds and many others, some of these people suffered greatly, massacred, struggled and fought very hard for thousands of years to have their own country so that their destiny could be in their own hands, I think all chinese in the world who loves and are proud of their heritage should have some common understanding and desire to work towards a China:

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  • Ggh:

    Part3″to work towards a China:
    1. that is strong, prosperous with good values, cultures that are admirable globally;”
    2. A country that is capable of protecting and standing up for the general security, well-being and interests of all Chinese people all over the world. Of course for oversea ethnic Chinese with non China citizenships, all these should be within the appropriate limitations of loyalty to one’s home country vi’s a vis anything China and Chinese. A China while stands unwavering in protecting its own legitimate sovereign rights, is fair at the same time open, friendly, considerate to other countries and peoples, not unnecessarily hostile, participate actively in building and leading the world towards an inclusive, fair, win-win, cooperative and peaceful world, always ready to work towards settling problems by negotiations, with cooperations and win win solutions,not just with neighbours but globally. Most these are already visions and policies that are guiding China global diplomacy and geopolitical relationships;
    3. Criticise China and Chinese people constructively, in good faith and not do things that help China’s enemies, rivals, competitors destabilise, destroy or weaken China. Chinese people should learn from most other peoples like the Jews, German, Japanese, Koreans, Malays, Filipinos, Indians, Iranians, Arabs, Spaniards, Irish, Italians, Greeks, Turks, who generally love their own Countries and would not hesitate to defend their countries and peoples honour, interests, prides,…….globally. While the ideal where the world is one people and everyone is equal is a great ideal but the world today is quite far from that and might be impossible to reach. I think it is more realistic and more practicable for the whole world to work for an all inclusive, rule based, win win, fair global systems, with possibilities for kindness and benevolence for humanity where needed.

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  • Ggh:

    Part “My thought followed mainly from an analogy of one being born into a family, without choice, just like being born into a type of people or skin colour. Someone suggested or asked when one is not entirely happy or satisfied with one’s father, should one help the the father’s business rival to take control of the father’s business and perhaps the mother also? This is crude but it is as blatant and heinous as one working with hostile forces against one’s own kind. I don’t deny there are extreme circumstances where such actions could be justifiable but China certainly is far from that stage now. “

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  • 苏莱蔓:

    Ggh:
    I don’t understand what the fuss is about. WTO rules are rules formulated by the world community of nations for orderly conduct of global trades. China has applied, negotiated and approved as a member. China has largely been compliance of WTO rules in the sense that there are less WTO dispute cases against China then say USA. So WTF China is owing favor to anyone? Who could claim condescending right to China? By what?

    这才是有智慧,有良知,有勇气,有认识,有灵魂的人才写得出来的!

    苏莱蔓从来没在这里否认过世贸组织对中国的经济建设是个有用的平台!只是平台在那边,怎样正确公平的应用就要看个别国家和他们的人民了。

    去哈佛念书也是一样。苏莱蔓也从来没有在这里否认过哈佛对许多人在学术上的成就的贡献。但是,哈佛如果没有学生,学生没有缴费,哈佛还会是哈佛吗?

    多年前在自己国家碰上的盎格鲁撒克逊让我知道伟大的大英帝国的阴魂至今不散,这论坛里很多人的贴文不断的在提醒大家大英帝国的阴魂不但没散,种种迹象显示,它还借尸还魂了!

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  • 苏萊蔓牙檫檫:

    for past 5000 yrs, what had this 群勤劳苦干又聪明的人民 achieved in the modern world before 1978?

    Even with 20-30 years of 大跃进, 土法炼钢, 「1天等於20年」,「超英趕美」, were these 勤劳苦干聪明的人民 not still 光干子?

    Without that 五尺二寸, you can today afford to come all the way here to 牙檫檫?

    苏莱蔓:

    没有一大群勤劳苦干又聪明的人民,相信实用主义的邓小平也只不过是个五尺二寸的光干子!

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  • 苏萊蔓牙檫檫:

    孤陋寡闻 !!!

    Harvard depends on student’s school fees ??????

    苏莱蔓:
    哈佛如果没有学生, 学生没有缴费,哈佛还会是哈佛吗?

    It is nothing to do with 阴魂不散, but all to do with having to choose the lesser of 2 evils.

    Even your backyard, with 23 years of opportunity to impress, yet recently can still see people publicly display 大英帝国迹象.

    The question is not 借尸还魂 but why people there still don’t like you.

    苏莱蔓:多年前在自己国家碰上的盎格鲁撒克逊让我知道伟大的大英帝国的阴魂至今不散,这论坛里很多人的贴文不断的在提醒大家大英帝国的阴魂不但没散,种种迹象显示,它还借尸还魂了!

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  • How about ?:

    @ China is pouring money into tibet to build infrastructure and many things to make better life for the local people, so are the places where minorities live.

    PAP also poir monies to build many infrastructures and many things.

    So answer is obvious , support PAP.

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  • Ggh:

    謝謝!真的不敢當。

    苏莱蔓: 这才是有智慧,有良知,有勇气,有认识,有灵魂的人才写得出来的!

    苏莱蔓从来没在这里否认过世贸组织对中国的经济建设是个有用的平台!只是平台在那边,怎样正确公平的应用就要看个别国家和他们的人民了。

    去哈佛念书也是一样。苏莱蔓也从来没有在这里否认过哈佛对许多人在学术上的成就的贡献。但是,哈佛如果没有学生,学生没有缴费,哈佛还会是哈佛吗?

    多年前在自己国家碰上的盎格鲁撒克逊让我知道伟大的大英帝国的阴魂至今不散,这论坛里很多人的贴文不断的在提醒大家大英帝国的阴魂不但没散,种种迹象显示,它还借尸还魂了!

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  • oxygen:

    @ Ghh

    MR Tan is democratically entitled to his stance. This is a forum, dissenting voices are also DEMOCRATICALLY ENTITLED to supply reciprocal feedback.

    Ghh: I think it is democratic right of Mr Tan to be pro China. Remember China and Communism is not the same thing.

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  • wow 'SHOULD LEARN':

    //Chinese people should learn from most other peoples like the Jews, German, Japanese, Koreans, Malays, Filipinos, Indians, Iranians, Arabs, Spaniards, Irish, Italians, Greeks, Turks, who generally love their own Countries and would not hesitate to defend their countries and peoples honour, interests, prides,…….globally.//

    alamak. wow ‘SHOULD LEARN’. you mean chinese people are not doing this ? if not, why not ?

    no deep cultural sense of identity ? why not ? or ‘leadership’ has inadvertently cultivated a sense of ‘loss & confusion’ (only calling for unity / loyalty when needed while treating its kind like chess pieces to be controlled and moved by a ‘king’ for his own fancy) ?

    similarly like in sinkie land, open-leg policy of 6.9m or 10m, ‘no exclusivity’ and any chat-ba-lang can just beat (outsmart) the system to join ? in fact, so many white idiots and doggy boys are promoting such easy membership (don’t know what kind of grand agenda they have) ?

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  • Bad Boy:

    https://finance.ifeng.com/c/7oJDfptlaXS
    2吨黄金不见了董事长也不见了 百年企业秋林命悬一线

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  • Ghh:

    It is a problem for Chinese.

    wow 'SHOULD LEARN':
    //Chinese people should learn from most other peoples like the Jews, German, Japanese, Koreans, Malays, Filipinos, Indians, Iranians, Arabs, Spaniards, Irish, Italians, Greeks, Turks, who generally love their own Countries and would not hesitate to defend their countries and peoples honour, interests, prides,…….globally.//

    alamak. wow ‘SHOULD LEARN’. you mean chinese people are not doing this ? if not, why not ?

    no deep cultural sense of identity ? why not ? or ‘leadership’ has inadvertently cultivated a sense of ‘loss & confusion’ (only calling for unity / loyalty when needed while treating its kind like chess pieces to be controlled and moved by a ‘king’ for his own fancy) ?

    similarly like in sinkie land, open-leg policy of 6.9m or 10m, ‘no exclusivity’ and any chat-ba-lang can just beat (outsmart) the system to join ? in fact, so many white idiots and doggy boys are promoting such easy membership (don’t know what kind of grand agenda they have) ?

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  • oxygen:

    @ How about?

    DUMB ECONOMICS of no productive outcome. Maybe more white elephants like Garden by the Bay and Changi Jewel.

    How about ?: @ China is pouring money into tibet to build infrastructure and many things to make better life for the local people, so are the places where minorities live.

    PAP also poir monies to build many infrastructures and many things.

    So answer is obvious , support PAP.

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  • Oxygen talk cock:

    White elephants ?

    Oxygen talk cock. China no white elephant projects. Aplenty ! Ghost cities … remember. Constructions and buildings that collapsed , aplenty and still coming.

    Other countries no white elephants?
    Italy bridge that collapsed that kill several people.

    Malaysia no white elephants. Proton that was sold away, MAS to be put up for sale.

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  • Homeless Cat:

    Reading this article has me wondering if its writer was inebriated at the time of its creation.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Oxygen talk cock.

    YOU FARTED IRRELEVANCE. There is plenty of ghost towns in China. And collapsed buildings and structures everywhere in the world alongside with struggling businesses for sale.

    WHY ADD TO DUMB ECONOMIC PROJECTS IN LEE-jiapore in that failed POPULATION ECONOMIC RECYCLING MODEL of foreign influx??

    Oxygen talk cock: White elephants ?

    Oxygen talk cock. China no white elephant projects. Aplenty ! Ghost cities … remember. Constructions and buildings that collapsed , aplenty and still coming.

    Other countries no white elephants?
    Italy bridge that collapsed that kill several people.

    Malaysia no white elephants. Proton that was sold away, MAS to be put up for sale.

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  • more of the externalities:

    //PAP also poir monies to build many infrastructures and many things.//

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2019/04/05/the-world-economy-is-a-pyramid-scheme-steven-chu-says/

    why build more infrastructures (more expensive to build higher up and down underground) to have a more expensive cost of living equilibrium with a higher population (less space and more pollutive, be it noise or dust from constant work).

    And the resulting economics (as is always the case) is that the much benefits will be skewed more to the have-not while the lesser people will be absorbing more and more of the externalities relative to the smaller compensatory crumbs that they are getting ?

    why not have a more ‘livable and sustainable’ environment with more space and good air shared by a smaller people who find it more easier and hence also find it more condusive to give birth ?

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  • Am Pro China Anti CCP:

    @TKL Pro C' Party:
    Are you Chinese? Are you jealous of China progress which western media has hailed unprecedented in human history.

    Did china government kill all or almost of tibet people then let in han Chinese take over the region like the USA did hundred of years ago to the red Indians? And there are many cases in the last 500 years the western countries did to other countries.

    China is pouring money into tibet to build infrastructure and many things to make better life for the local people, so are the places where minorities live. How other countries such as India fare in this aspect.

    If you think china building something in tibet is ultruistic, then you have zero credibility to talk to me in politics.
    China do things for ulterior motives.
    Building infra in other countries is a debt trap. You think china do things for free? Its a bloody communist party dictatorship.
    Its market is open but its political ideology is still based on communist party
    .

    You are too naive to qualify for any discussion. Please dont corrupt the TRE harddisk with your spewing of garbagem

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  • nihon:

    tkl is so stupid and naive.

    why is he sucking up to the ccp chinks?

    the political families, controls most of the wealth.

    jiang n his sons control the telco industries.

    lipeng and his family controls the electricity sector.

    deng’s son control property and arms trade.

    his crippled son ran a ‘charity’ when deng was in power. businesses have to donate 10% to the ‘charity’. deng’s son has a trillion yuan or USD.

    zhu rong ji’s son runs citic, he has made so much money using his connections.

    when zhu was premier, his son was arrested for smuggling in shandong. the governor called zhu, zhu told him, ‘up to you to decide.’ the governor confiscated the smuggled goods. a few months later, he was investigated for corruption.

    and zhu ran the anti-corruption campaign!

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  • nihon:

    all ccp officials n princelings are corrupt.

    stupid tkl, he doesn’t even know that in chink you have to pay to get jobs or join the police n military. and the positions of mayors, governors n military n police ranks are for sale.

    what internal elections?

    tkl makes a mockery of democracy. he has proven again he is so stupid n ignorant, yet he is so proud of it! PTUI!

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  • nihon:

    under sun yat sen and then kmt, china enjoyed freedom n democracy.

    but the ccp stole, robbed the rights of the chinks and imposed communism on the peasants and enslaved them. brainwashed and ruled them with fear and force.

    there is zero freedom in china.

    the only freedom is to pee and poo in public, fiack, and shout, scream and beat others. the only freedom is to fiack. that’s why there is so many chinks.

    years of abuse have caused the ugly chinaman – crude, uncouth and talk so loudly and barbaric, even with ‘education’.

    and there is no political or economic freedom.

    china’s economic growth is a myth. based on property and fixed asset investment. if they have no capital controls the flight of capital will cause the economy to implode and the rmb to collapse.

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  • nihon:

    when the ccp joined wto, they lied n cheated, promised reforms.

    but they were lying and zero reforms have taken place. for decades they stole from america and the free world by cheating on trade. and closing their markets. blocking imports from america n others.

    stealing and forcing IP transfers. spying and hacking america’s n others key technologies.

    the peaceful rise of the chinks is a myth and lie.

    they want to dominate asia. one communist cadre bragged, ‘we are asia’s big brother.我们是亚洲的老大。’

    PTUI!

    they are using the belt road scam to trap these poor nations and bribed the corrupt politicians. the ccp gave former pakistan pm USD 1 billion to sign on the belt road scam.

    and bribed najib with billions using their spy – j low, who is now hiding in china, protected by the ccp. to agree and join their belt road scam. its also for money laundering.

    tkl is stupid n ignorant, but thinks with his loud mouth he can force his way. alas, people r not so stupid anymore.

    he is from the papigs old school n current thinking – that the end justifies the means, that dubious pragmatism that allowed abortions n the failed stop at 2 policy that hurt sg.

    authoritarianism is in its blood.

    n totalitarianism, fascism n the ccp dictatorship will end in failure.

    to hell with tkl, to hell with ccp chinks chongs

    viva freedom!

    viva democracy!

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  • Ramarau Perumal:

    That is why, you were STUPID, to have lost $50,000 deposit.
    Now, you know.
    Singapore, was like that,ie China, in the old days, when people like you made good, easy money.
    Look at yourself, today.
    Nowhere near, the modern day economy.

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