Referendum for independence of Hong Kong

I suggest that China should hold a referendum for the people of Hong Kong – do you want to be independent of China?

There are two possible outcomes:

a) The majority vote for independence.
b) The majority vote to remain part of China.

I think that the majority will vote to remain part of China. It is difficult for Hong Kong to be independent of China. They need water and power to be provided by China.

Maybe, they can build the water and power plants in Hong Kong, but it wil be costly.

Hong Kong also need to provide services to China. If the links are cut off, it will be difficult for Hong Kong to be economically viable.

What can Hong Kong do as an independent country? Can they be a manufacturing center? They can’t, as the operating cost is too high.

Can they be a financial center? Who will use their services, if there is no link to China?

Hong Kong will also face the heavy cost of building a military force.

Will America come to their aid and make Hong Kong viable. Hardly! The young protesters will learn that America is not reliable.

What about the impact to China, when Hong Kong is cut off?

China can easily replace Hong Kong by developing Shenzhen and Shanghai. China does not need Hong Kong.

I am quite confident that the majority of the people of Hong Kong will vote to remain in China.

Maybe the option to remain part of China should be the removal of the “one country two systems”. Hong Kong should vote for complete independence or complete integration.

I wonder if China will take this step – and offer a referendum.

 

Tan Kin Lian

 

 

yyy
SPONSORED ADVERTISEMENT
Loading...

34 Responses to “Referendum for independence of Hong Kong”

  • Asd:

    Shut up la.. expired coe…

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • Rabble-rouser:

    “Gold Chain” Tan gets the 2019 Raspberry Award for the most idiotic suggestion!

    China is trying to recreate their former glories from amongst the Han, Ming or Tang Dynasty era ie. Territorial Expansion re:South China Seas & over South-East Asia.

    And giving up HK would be a tremendous loss of face for them! Ridiculous!

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • Harder Truths:

    There is only one outcome.
    China crushes the stupid HK troublemakers.

    Right now China is looking at how the money flows from CIA / banks / donations and then castrate those fundings at the source.

    It will also be known who the troublemakers are and who they contact and how.

    Once China has had enough it is bye-bye ‘democracy’. Nothing like a good re-education camp in Outer Mongolia to help change their minds.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • Dr. Chan:

    Stupid TKL.
    China don’t even allow Taiwan declare Independent although she is self govern since KMT lost civil war.
    You think HK can independent meh?
    Stop wasting your time writing nonsense. Or people think you idiot one ok!

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • Referendum for Hougang:

    Referendum for HK is like a referendum for Hougang.

    Let Hougang decide if it wants to be independent. If PAP not stupid to have a referendum for Hougang, you think XI is so stupid to let HK referendum?

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • MarBowling:

    Tan Golden Chain,

    Great idea. The Hongkees need you to resolve and solve their Mother of all Problems with China. Think 69.9% Hongkees would want INDEPENDENCE! Since you have NIL chance of political success in SinKapore, migrate and be their Indian Chief. They REALLY need someone like you with FANTASTIC & GREAT IDEAS! You will have 101% success!

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • What ?:

    What ?
    Impossible for China to let HK go. They need HK , a link to the external world. China is not totally open. Mr LKY already predicted that after 50 years China will changed HK whether they like it or not at least politically. Not even 25 years we already witnessing interferencing here and there.

    Letting HK go will only set bad examples and unlease ripples to taiwan, tibet, xinjiang, ….

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • tan kin lian is pea brained:

    why bother about HK when own land of birth is dying.

    why ask for referendum in HK when referendum in McPherson is so much needed.

    truly out of balance. which reflects a weak brain, aka pea brain.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • oxygen:

    @ TKL

    REFERENDUM? It is eunuch having sex with the Emperor’s concubines. Got outcome or not?

    Without HK, China is shut out from the rest of the world. Inside China, corruption and thugs law apply which is why all those trade issues dispute with US run amok.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • from Wikipedia:

    The Principle of Mínquán (民權主義, Mínquán Zhǔyì) is usually translated as “democracy”; literally “the People’s power” or “government by the People.” To Sun Yat Sen, it represented a Western constitutional government. He divided political life of his ideal for China into two sets of “powers”: the power of politics and the power of governance.

    The power of politics (政權, zhèngquán) are the powers of the people to express their political wishes, similar to those vested in the citizenry or the parliaments in other countries, and is represented by the National Assembly. There are four of these powers: election (選舉), recall (罷免), initiative (創制), and referendum (複決). These may be equated to “civil rights”.

    The power of governance (治權, zhìquán) are the powers of administration. Here he expanded the European-American constitutional theory of a three-branch government and a system of checks and balances by incorporating traditional Chinese administrative tradition to create a government of five branches (each of which is called a Yuan (院, yuàn, literally “court”). The Legislative Yuan, the Executive Yuan, and the Judicial Yuan came from Montesquieuan thought; the Control Yuan and the Examination Yuan came from Chinese tradition. (Note that the Legislative Yuan was first intended as a branch of governance, not strictly equivalent to a national parliament.)

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • TruBlu:

    Maybe TKL could suggest USA give up CALIFORNIA?

    Or better,MALAYSIA give up JOHORE?

    HK IS PART N PARCEL OF CHINA.
    Sorry 2 STSTEMS COMPROMISED BUT HK IS STILL PART OF CHINA.

    HKers can always come to SG.
    At least,there are REAL TALENTS among them.
    Many ard good bankers for example.
    At least betterer than Fake Degree holders???

    Better still,come and start business here n make things,including politics, MORE COMPETITIVE?

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • BowOrDie:

    You reap what you sow, an immutable law. The seed of destruction which had set fire to many cities of yesteryears, today and tomorrow is still very much active and ready to burn. You judge a tree by its fruits. Bad tree can’t bear good fruits.
    Bark up the wrong tree, you die. There are or will be no exception.
    If brilliant people think they can buy and sell their way into peace and prosperity, I say good luck in building skyward.
    You may not live to see tomorrow’s fire but your children will.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • Uninformed Talk Cock:

    Asd:
    Shut up la.. expired coe…

    TKL, it is never about Independence, it’s about keeping promises, at least for that short 50 years.

    TKL, it will be much better you do some due diligence before babbling nonsense and propagate misinformation and create further problems for HKers.
    They are fighting for their freedom and lives, while you arm-chair commenting in the comfort of your home.

    The dafts expect much more from you, at lease you can qualify for president election, your opinions should be more Atas than the rest of stupid us.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • The RC Pedigree:

    TKL, you have just made yourself a mouthpiece for CCP propaganda, which CCP will like the world to believe that the fight is about Independence and break away from China.
    Next they will send in the troops to crush HK while the world has to look on.
    The CCP is now sourcing for perfect excuse to do that by sending in the mainland thugs to create discord and fights among the people.

    The CCP is not going in because without that legitimacy, it is a perfect excuse for US and the west to cripple the HK economy by revoking the special economic privileges that the west had accord on the basis that the Basic Law is honored.

    When this happened all the funds of the Kleptocrats that they have been shipping out to the west will be seized, all greedy funds going into to prop the Chinese economy will dry up.

    TKL, learn to recognize that some people have smaller heads and they should be contented with wearing smaller hats.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • Tremendous:

    KL, you have to be much better than what you are now if you have to put forward an idea. It’s international disgrace for China by now. Firstly, they tried to exert control on HK before the time comes. Next, they took so long to approve the bill withdrawal that they are either being seen as indecisive, insincere or both. The HK people can see through this. Merkel is spot on when she says China needs to guarantee HK’s freedom. If China is sincere, pledge unambiguously in concrete terms how HK’s developments and concerns will be addressed. Bill withdrawal is not enough because if China can ignore the terms in 1997 handover, there won’t be enough grounds for HK to believe the coming days will be any easier.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • Darth Vader:

    I suggest that we hold a referendum for everyone here on tkl. So here it goes

    Q: Should tkl be detained without trial under the ISA until death?

    A: Yes, tkl should be detained without trial under the ISA until death because he has openly advocated communism, a banned ideology for Singapore

    B: Yes, tkl should be detained without trial under the ISA until death because he advocates replacing one man one vote with the communist system where only members of the ruling party can vote, thereby undermining our democracy

    C: Yes, tkl should be detained without trial under the ISA until death because he says that by voting lots of opposition MPs in, they can pressure the pap to appoint him as a high ranking (and highly-paid) government advisor, thereby undermining our democracy by forcing himself into the top echelons of our country despite the fact that 95.5% of Singaporeans had rejected him in PE2011

    D: Yes, tkl should be detained without trial under the ISA until death because it’s the only way to stop him from posting his unwanted, unsolicited imbecilic lunatic drivel hete

    I vote for A; tkl should be detained without trial under the ISA until death because he supports communism. See, 1 vote out of 1 in favor, or in other words, a 100% support. In fact, since ALL the answers say that tkl should be detained without trial under the ISA until death, it doesn’t matter WHAT anyone who votes in this referendum ACTUALLY voted for. In the end, ad long as someone votes, it means they agree. And that is how easy it is to rig a referendum

    So no matter HOW anyone actually votes, in the end the result is ALWAYS the same: 100% of the voters agree that tkl should be detained without trial under the ISA until death…

    So tan kee lan, either you STFU, or since you think you’re so smart, then explain to everyone else here HOW to guarantee that the filthy commie pigs WON’T rig the HK independence referendum to show rejection even if the vast majority of HKers actually WANT total independence

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • Anonymous:

    Amazing how a supposedly well educated ex politician and RI person can be so ignorant naive and downright stupid not to understand global regional politics and history.
    Tan kin Lian probably never heard of opium war and have not the faintest idea of the political issues of hngkong, the West, china, patriotism, sovereignty is all about.
    Go back to school,maybe primary six will befit this self glorifying dumb hi five smart Alec.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • Sesame Street:

    TKL ah TKL….TW cannot get independence and here you are talkking about HK.
    seriously….use your brain hor.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • PEOPLE is Master:

    Let’s not be fooled or misled by Dictatorship minions and apologists and evangelists.

    1. In Any country, the ruler Must Serve the People.

    Anything else it’s a dictatorship.
    Definitely not a democracy.

    2. So what if laws are made by rulers? Rulers can be changed and so too is the law.

    3. As long as the majority wants I dependence, and prove their sincerity and determination , the Humble Servant must obey the Master.

    4. Nothing is carved in stone lest to saw law. Do not be fooled.
    Politicians come and go. Civil service is here to stay.

    Dictatorships and authoritarianism cannot be sustained for long.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • Bad Boy:

    China so much of their problems still want to have other ideas on HK .

    出了国才知道,国内8300万残疾人为何很少被看见?( wow, 80 millions plus disability people ??? )
    https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/41134068

    美国为何有那么多的残疾人,而我们中国没有
    http://3g.163.com/dy/article/DP5TGRJ70526MI5B.html

    国的便捷,没有残疾人的份
    https://www.zhihu.com/question/342738272

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • patriot of TUMASIK:

    Rabble-rouser:
    “Gold Chain” Tan gets the 2019 Raspberry Award for the most idiotic suggestion!

    China is trying to recreate their former glories from amongst the Han, Ming or Tang Dynasty era ie. Territorial Expansion re:South China Seas & over South-East Asia.

    And giving up HK would be a tremendous loss of face for them! Ridiculous!

    Rr…Bro TOTALLY AGREE!!! he is NOT only making a FOOL of himself I guess he was a FOOL who had it too good with the help of the System to build a CON JOB in NTUC…and relieved of it at too young an age for retirement BUT not for FOOLS!!!

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • Darth Vader:

    So tkl likes to give his views. To everyone else here, be very wary about what this twerp says. Remember, views are shaped by what one sees, and tkl’s habit of blinking nonstop means that instead of seeing a clear unobstructed picture, anything and everything he sees is severely distorted, which explains WHY he thinks communism is a great idea and that only members of the ruling party should be allowed to vote

    Another is his dislike of blockchain. So “lian” means chain? Okay, that explains everything. This blockhead tkl must obviously think that the term “blockchain” originated from “blockhead” and chain, so he’s afraid that the rising popularity of blockchain technology would lead to reminding everyone constantly that tan kin chain is a blockhead, hence blockchain

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • Great Asia:

    The Chinese government will instead offer a referendum to the 1.3bn Chinese. Let’s them to decide whether the PLA should take control of Hong Kong.

    Ha ha ha!

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • rukidding:

    Where do you think those “trouble makers” within the Protest Group came from ?

    Answer:…..China lah !

    When you “China” cannot “any how ome into HK” and “crush” those PEACEFUL and SMART Protesters….what do you do ????

    Hire and PAY “Professionals” ( Gangs or even special trained froces ) to “disguised and infiltrate” within those PEACEFUL Protester!

    “Start” the “self created” violence….then use these as a GOOD EXCUSE to “ALLOW ENTRY”of their special forces to come in crush away those Peaceful protesters like what they had done in Tianannmen square !

    Just you wait and see how “brutal and cunning” those China Chinese can be !

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • Tan Ku Ku:

    Tan Golden Lotus is a name adopted from the famous Chinese Classic “Golden Lotus” (about the amorous adulterers who murdered her own husband in order to screw around with a rich sex-maniac). So appreciate and suitable. Your ideas are so similar with the kind of ideas Pan Kim Lian had in ancient China: “Never mind about the consequences, just anyhow screw first.”

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • China X Suffrage:

    Dear TKL
    But China categorically said No Universal Suffrage for HK .

    Dictatorship is Dictatorship.

    One country two system is a Lie under a communist party Dictatorship

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • PAP.GUARANTEE.WIN.GE2019/20:

    Dear my beloved Singaporeans,

    Do not be cannon fodders for opposition politicians.

    There are a few ang mo tua kee like oxygen who actually support the violent acts of the rioters and mobs.

    香港人,打著民主的旗號,做了些什麼?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70CQSr2DTKo

    In above video, the protestors are just kiddie and they had been make use of. Pathetic. They are canon fodders.
    The instigator like Ang Mo Tua Kee such as Oxygen will be cheering/egging them on in a safe place far far away.

    2019年9月15日香港暴徒攻擊警員 Hong Kong Mobs attacking Police
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMKkQs81PgE&has_verified=1

    In above video, the protestors attack the police. They are canon fodders. The instigator like Ang Mo Tua Kee such as Oxygen will be cheering/egging them on in a safe place far far away.

    Remember, Do not be cannon fodders for opposition politicians.

    What can opposition do for you ?

    Vote PAP. Vote 9% GST increase this coming GE.

    PAP.GUARANTEE.WIN.GE2019/20

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • Pappyhead Crony tua kee:

    “Men must be decided on what they will not do, and then they are able to act with vigor in what they ought to do… Never has a man who has made himself crooked been able to make others straight.”

    - Mencius

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • Rabble-rouser:

    @ patriot of TUMASIK:
    How did he became CEO of NTUC Insurance? It must have been a miracle by his standards. Sama-sama for the Milo President! Special elevators without conforming to the so-called Strict Meritocracy system imposed on the masses! Hypocrisy exist in this land! Never practised what is preached!

    With his monies, he should “migrate” to China, find himself a China “Mei-mei” for a playmate, not dabble with politics here. With his Harm-sap or TerKoh-kia type of face, he would have bonk himself silly.

    patriot of TUMASIK: Rr…Bro TOTALLY AGREE!!! he is NOT only making a FOOL of himself I guess he was a FOOL who had it too good with the help of the System to build a CON JOB in NTUC…and relieved of it at too young an age for retirement BUT not for FOOLS!!!

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • MarBowling:

    Face the Hard Truths and Reality:HK was RETURNED to China in 1997, period. Hopefully, aftermath of this ongoing saga of massive disruption, destruction and chaos will help to RESET EVERYTHING in HK, esp the REDUCTION of 50% or more on the ridiculous prices of housing and cost of living. The RESET may help the common folks to have a chance of purchasing a REALLY AFFORDABLE pigeon hole to live in and ENJOY for the next 28 years before HK autonomous status expire! And also it’s HIGH TIME for the filthy rich, like the Li FamiLEE to Kenna Karma and Retribution for their MISDEEDS in hoarding lands and everything under the sun in HK LEADING them to enjoy themselves to the MAXIMUM while the common folks and the POOR have to suffer for DONKEY YEARS! I am waiting patiently for the RESET BUTTON so that our brothers and sisters(NOT THOSE PAID TROUBLEMAKERS)in HK to finally have some BREATHING space in their Daily Life! Btw SinKapore May face the SAME or SIMILAR outcome if the Coverment under Mai Hum and later his poodle Heng Sweet Cake keep on PUSHING UP the PRICES of EVERYTHING!

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • The Evil Legacy:

    PAP.GUARANTEE.WIN.GE2019/20:
    Dear my beloved Singaporeans,

    Do not be cannon fodders for opposition politicians.

    There are a few ang mo tua kee like oxygen who actually support the violent acts of the rioters and mobs.

    香港人,打著民主的旗號,做了些什麼?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70CQSr2DTKo

    In above video, the protestors are just kiddie and they had been make use of. Pathetic. They are canon fodders.
    The instigator like Ang Mo Tua Kee such as Oxygen will be cheering/egging them on in a safe place far far away.

    2019年9月15日香港暴徒攻擊警員 Hong Kong Mobs attacking Police
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMKkQs81PgE&has_verified=1

    In above video, the protestors attack the police. They are canon fodders. The instigator like Ang Mo Tua Kee such as Oxygen will be cheering/egging them on in a safe place far far away.

    Remember, Do not be cannon fodders for opposition politicians.

    What can opposition do for you ?

    Vote PAP. Vote 9% GST increase this coming GE.

    PAP.GUARANTEE.WIN.GE2019/20

    Looks like the talk about Chinese Kleptocrats learning big time from local pigs is very real, supporting the greed and evils of each other.
    The tone, tactics and arguments are also similar, just manified by big brother.

    Don’t give us the propaganda shit and usual selective reporting to amplify support and views, we are not dafts to read the right stuffs. It is already exposed that the Kleptocrats use the sophistication of western media to exert influences and spread misinformation, relying on 50cents and lemmings to parrot the greed and evil.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • oxygen:

    @ PAP.GUARANTEE.WIN.GE2019/20:

    OI OI OI, RUBBER-TAPPER aka durian picker from Bohleh-land. No need to fart lies in TRE. Go back to rubber-tapping (10 sen per cup of latex!) or durian picking (20 sens per durian!!) is more lucrative than the lousy Sg.50c each post per day).

    Your usual facile fart of fiction below convince no one.

    PAP.GUARANTEE.WIN.GE2019/20: In above video, the protestors are just kiddie and they had been make use of. Pathetic. They are canon fodders.
    The instigator like Ang Mo Tua Kee such as Oxygen will be cheering/egging them on in a safe place far far away.

    Accountants, lawyers, pilots, healthcare specialists and bankers joined the protest, even as thugs triad stooges police of Piggy Lam whacked journalists and foreigners watching violence crime of the enforcer’s instigation.

    Even Li KaShing publicly calls for mercy for protestors.

    YOU ARE A COMPLETE A*SEHOLE LOITERING IN TRE.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • oxygen:

    @ China X suffrage.

    TKL’S CARICATURE of contemporary China is ANCIENT, still stuck in the mythical age of his hallucination – just like PAPpypolitics/PAPpynomics who got thoroughly screwed in Suzhou Industrial Park saga.

    China X Suffrage: Dear TKL
    But China categorically said No Universal Suffrage for HK .

    Dictatorship is Dictatorship.

    One country two system is a Lie under a communist party Dictatorship

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  • Hi Fi:

    oxygen:
    @ China X suffrage.

    TKL’S CARICATURE of contemporary China is ANCIENT, still stuck in the mythical age of his hallucination – just like PAPpypolitics/PAPpynomics who got thoroughly screwed in Suzhou Industrial Park saga.

    I do agree TKL while usually GREAT, has shown signs of being senile .
    TKL do take note

    GD Star Rating
    loading...

Leave a Reply

 characters available


Scroll Down For More Interesting Stuff


Member Services
Self-SupportMembers Login
Sponsored Advertisement

Search On TR Emeritus
Sponsored Advertisement

Most Recent Comments
  • Smart: @pap Spore is not Smart nation “””70% sheep is not smart. giving pap 70% of the votes is as good as telling...
  • Ministers Protect Themselves: Salaries are low for the working public but things are getting very expensive. However...
  • a sad sad situation: did anyone in the family inform TC of their dire straits situation? if they had maybe they...
  • Harder Truths: Does not matter how needy you are – the servants of the government just do not care. Mostly FT...
  • Longanus Lee Albinus: Mr Tan seems to be having a health problem due to being rich. The 47% retirees who could not...
  • Longanus Lee Albinus: Good on you Mr Kin Lian. Hope you just dun repeat the vote splitting that allowed tony to win....
  • Pioneer heart aches: Felt so sorry or this family,wonder how multimillion dollar ministers sleep at night:bet you...
  • Samuel S: PC Ong said Study hard and work hard and we will be ok. But this case is about a person who contracted...
  • Harder Truths: Apologies- 2nd para should read “The division is racial – ethnicity – as the basis for group...
  • Harder Truths: Aziz – where did you get that idea – that the MP’s are passing themselves off as...
  • they will remain silent: Those multimillion-dollar salaried and bonused PAP leaders will pretend not to have seen or...
  • What is Wrong?: While they are collecting more money, the aged and elderly poor are collecting cardboard boxes!
  • Asd: This is not your own country it’s just a motel
  • There is a difference, bro: In the rule of nature, the race follows the papa. Religion, on the other hand, can be...
  • There is a difference, bro: yep thats it!: just another day in paradise–Phil Collins. the difference...
  • N.Jungne: Aziz, you’re spot on, unfortunately it has been misused.
Announcements
Advertisements
Advertisements
Visitors Statistic
Latest Statistic