Is the motion against WP a political ploy to discredit the opposition?

“AHTC’s auditors had submitted an unqualified financial statement this year and it has been sent to the Ministry of National Development, which oversees town councils.”

Unqualified. That means the accounts are all in order.

Is this why Heng Swee Keat prematurely submitted the motion, before the MND releases AHTC’s unqualified accounts report? Is this nothing more than political wayang, to play to the gallery?

AHTC’s accounts are all in order. Please remember:

1. Not a single cent went missing. All money is accounted for – from 2011 to 2019.

2. Not a single cent went into the pockets of any of the WP MPs. All money is accounted for – from 2011 to 2019.

So, ask yourself: why then has the PAP been attacking AHTC for the past 8 years. 8 Years. Let me repeat: 8 YEARS!

It is to discredit the fact that an opposition party can run a big town council, a GRC, and thus an entire HDB estate of more 150,000 people/voters.

And WP has also been building its own grassroots movement, and has done well.

These are the two main things which the PAP fear the most – because if WP can do these, so can other opposition parties. And if opposition parties can do these, the PAP loses its grip on the propaganda (that opposition parties cannot run town councils), and use of non-political grassroots organisations (opposition parties can have their own grassroots).

So, you understand why the PAP will go the lengths to discredit the WP / AHTC. It’s all political – to stop WP (and opposition) from wining another GRC, or more.

WP’s appeal may take some time and might hinder their election propaganda. Get it?

 

Mohamed Jufrie Bin Mahmood

 

 

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65 Responses to “Is the motion against WP a political ploy to discredit the opposition?”

  • Is the sun rising next morn?:

    The answer is obvious, at least to the 30%.
    The other 70% prefer to close their eyes, and say they cannot see the sun rising. They believe the propaganda that the sun is dirty and has lost its light.

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  • patriot of TUMASIK:

    It is an IDIOT under ORDERS from his Master in Pink that he trie to emulate by wearing too

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  • Have to Stop it:

    Heng and the PAP, at the pretext of asking them to recuse, but are more seen to be bad mouthing, accusing and slandering them of corruption and wrong doing, while in reality, NO criminal charges can be brought against the 3. Therefore it is certainly dirty political tricks and fixing of the Opposition in light of the coming GE.

    PAP LHL the PM already said he will “fix” the opposition, so no one should doubt that the WP is being unfairly “fixed”.

    The WP members are elected by the people and accordingly to the rules, they get to decide how best they see fit to execute and manage their town councils, for the benefits of their residents especially in the light of trouble makers, out to fix and discredit the Opposition. No one else have the right to accuse them of the decision they made unless you can proof that they have pocketed and benefited from it.

    When no criminal charges can be brought against them, that simply means NO FRAUD as in;

    [No fraud in National Gallery's contractual waivers: Grace Fu]

    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/no-fraud-in-national-gallerys-contractual-waivers-grace-fu

    So, who has the right to condemn the decision made when they are not elected and empowered by the People?

    Bloody double standard to remain in power for NO APPARENT GOOD for the country. The infilial one gets it all WRONG.

    And by the Law of the Universe, when you are wrong, you will soon see the results of being WRONG, very quickly. No one defies the Law of nature, not even the old man.

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  • Straight "A"s Marlboro Tan:

    of cos it is… there was already an article published on it a year or more ago

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  • No internet no singtel subscri:

    Is that a rhethorical question or what?

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  • NotMyProblem:

    The next GE will be led by Heng Swee Kiat, if PAP loses more GRCs, HSK needs to hide his face.

    If he could discredit WP, other Oppositions will be affected too.

    Now HSK having problem with just one opposition, I just love to see more Oppositions in Parliament. I love to see Parliament heated up, PAP’s ministers and MPs would feel the heat and start leaving.

    Just love it. Vote against the PAP please.

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  • vote for real democracy:

    everybody knows that oredy. WP is innocent from day one.
    next theyll dig up some fake dirt to discredit SDP or another party.
    seems like PAP is running scared..
    why ? what are they hiding from us citizens?
    scary isnt it.
    most likely the reserves are half full or kaput??? hahaha!

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  • leejiayougeloongdaizi:

    Haiz! If the white party thinks it’s good, it’s the best, then why the need to try all means to fix the oppositions? Why the need to stoop so low?

    PAP has lost only 1 GRC and 1 SMC, still not happy? So Greedy? Want the whole parliament to be filled with their own people? And turn it into their circus?

    I feel sad for our country. I feel so worried for our future generations. Those evil people don’t even deserve to be singaporeans, still let them run sg and destroy sg and singaporeans’ life.

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  • Realistically:

    @ Mohamed Jufrie Bin Mahmood

    ““AHTC’s auditors had submitted an unqualified financial statement this year and it has been sent to the Ministry of National Development, which oversees town councils.”

    Unqualified. That means the accounts are all in order.”

    The AHTC case under Justice Ramesh is for the period from 2011 GE until before the latest financial statement.

    The court has found Low Thia Khiang, Sylvia Lim and to the lesser extent, Pritam Singh and the other Town Councillors liable for allegedly overpaying their friends and supporters who owned FMSS & FMIS.

    Whether the latest financial statements are all in order or not does not mean that Low Thia Khiang and Sylvia Lim are not liable with the court’s characterisation of them as dishonest.

    In any case, the auditor remarks that the latest financial accounts are all in order does NOT mean that there had not been ANY instance of lack of fiduciary duty. Just that all the transactions are in accordance with the accounting rules.

    So please refrain from making baseless accusation of “political ploy”. I would just remind you of the AHTC under Sylvia Lim and Low earlier had failed to provide the basic cleaning services to about 700 units of HDB flats added to the AHTC for which the TC had collected their monthly S&C fees; and also wanting the market stall holders to pay for the cleaning of the higher areas of the market when it was the TC’s responsibility to do so FOC. These 2 incidences had NOTHING to do with AIM, the original managing agent or whatever. It was purely the Wayang Party’s lack of integrity.

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  • opposition dude:

    Oh Mohamed Jufrie Bin Mahmood, we get it all right. But the dafts don’t and they form a significant part of the voters.

    The reason why PAP has been on your party these last few years over ONE issue is because they have nothing else to slam you guys with. So when the news first broke about your town council losing money they jumped in with glee because they saw it as a golden opportunity to show that the opposition cannot do things right.

    Even though WP came close to losing Aljunied in 2015 do remember it was the gratitude voters and nothing else. I’m very sure your percentage of votes will be higher in the next GE.

    So all PAP can do is focus on this issue here and there to remind voters that there is still a court case to deal with. If you have all noticed we were all given loads of information on WP’s town council. Information like how much was not accounted for, how long this dates back to and so on. So PAP has no choice but to drag the matter on for years because there is nothing else to attack WP with.

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  • ganessk:

    Yes of of course it is a political ploy but teh only problem was the PAP did not get the right person to perform teh fixing . The PAP is losing ir they are unable to fix the opposition properly because they are busy counting their fat salaries, so preparation time is very lacklustre.

    It is now showing up in parliament every day.

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  • Smoke grenade 2 con voters:

    It is a political game to thumb down WP. If the money is not accountable in the financial report then WP MPs will be having their vocation in Changi prison resort. Why waste so many resources time for an unproductive motion. HSK is throwing so many smoke grenade and now a lot of voters strongly believe that WP MPs screw up the AHTC accounts.

    Good luck to WP MPs! You are at risk of losing Aljunied GRC.

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  • mike:

    In accounting audit terms, “unqualified” means statements are fairly and appropriately presented.

    In contrast, “qualified” means the auditor has doubts or disagrees with certain aspects of the accounts.

    By playing with this accounting jargon without proper explanation by the msm would be misrepresenting and misleading general public understanding on the issue.

    Are msm such disgusting lots?

    Thank you Mohamed for highlighting this.

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  • everything is free in leejiapo:

    we demand a more responsible and upright gov…
    a gov who takes care of its citizens first before others.
    a tiny country like ours signing free trade agreements all over, whilst our own citizens are struggling to secure jobs..
    good jobs that foreigners get first thro some odd loophole.
    just saw on tv news trailer:
    EU-Singapore Free Trade agrrement signed, effective 21st nov 2019.
    will this agremement also allow for free flow of job seeking EU citizens to our shores?
    if so,how much more ‘bashing” should our citizens endure?

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  • Yoda:

    Rather have EU citizens than Ah Nehs.

    everything is free in leejiapo: EU-Singapore Free Trade agrrement signed, effective 21st nov 2019.
    will this agremement also allow for free flow of job seeking EU citizens to our shores?
    if so,how much more ‘bashing” should our citizens endure?

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  • Gov confuse ignorance people:

    Auditor’s Opinion: Four Types of Audit Opinion, and Definition, Explanation in the following link

    https://www.wikiaccounting.com/audits-opinion-unmodified-unqualified-and-modifiedqualified-disclaimer-adverse/

    Audit Opinion Flow Chart
    In general, there are two main types of audit opinion: Unmodified and Modified Opinion.

    An unmodified opinion, auditors issues this opinion to financial statements that prepared in all material respect and comply with accounting standards being used.

    However, for Modified Opinion, there are three sub opinions which are issued to financial statements that are not prepared in a material respect with others matter. We will discuss later.

    Those three modified opinions are qualified, adverse and disclaimer opinion. So, in total, there are four types of audit opinion right? Unmodified(unqualified), qualified, adverse and disclaimer opinion.

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  • premature ejaculation heng:

    to the author , the opposition in singapore has always been fixed. What u see nowadays are more novel ways of fixing by PAP.

    AIM Saga
    Fake news by Charles Chong in 2015 GE
    AHTC calculated plot to dethrone WP (secondary protocol)
    Premature ejaculatory heng passing a motion to recurse WP Mps of their financial duty

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  • TruBlu:

    Lets face fact.
    The oppo sgs must necessarily form an ALLIANCE or face more prejudice.

    Like it or not,no oppo alliance means no solid oppo,WP or not.

    *Can’t stop the mu$ic* by Village *PAPple* is a reality until oppo sgs join hands.

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  • 8 years is not too long:

    “So, ask yourself: why then has the PAP been attacking AHTC for the past 8 years. 8 Years. Let me repeat: 8 YEARS!”

    No worries, 8 years is not too long, this will continue to do so as long they are in control. The purpose of doing it is to confuse the voters so that they believe what is said in parliament is true and justified.

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  • Zhenzidan:

    @Realistically

    “The court has found Low Thia Khiang, Sylvia Lim and to the lesser extent, Pritam Singh and the other Town Councillors liable for allegedly overpaying their friends and supporters who owned FMSS & FMIS.”

    What I read was the court found them liable for awarding the contract to their supporters without calling for tender. I did not see any phrase “overpaying”. And WP has explained why, that CPG suddenly pulled out, calling for tender will take some time which they cannot afford to wait because services to the AHTC 140,000 residents will be disrupted, so FMSS was on standby. The stupid judge did not rebut this explanation, just telling us “WP is guilty”.
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    “Whether the latest financial statements are all in order or not does not mean that Low Thia Khiang and Sylvia Lim are not liable with the court’s characterisation of them as dishonest.”

    If the financial means are all in order, it means the court is absurd to characterise them as “dishonest”. In other words, wrongful accusation”

    Just like me telling you “You may have done everything in order but that does not mean you are not dishonest”
    That means I am talking cock right?
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    If the “Cleaning services” case was really what you described, how come the court didn’t find them guilty? There was no mention of this case. In fact, netizens found out that the allegations were made by PAP RC members. After that, PAP kept quiet until the MND started probing into the “financial discrepancies” of AHTC. There were initial allegations of corruptions and pocketing of money and CPIB was told to investigate. But CPIB found no evidence. Then the allegations were rephrased as “Improper paymnent” and they decided to sue WP MPs.

    I tell you what’s going to happen. The WP will lose the appeal for sure. Low, Sylvia and Pritam, the 3 most prominent MPs feared by PAP will be fined more than $2,000 and barred form taking part in elections. The WP will be forced to field other 3 new candidates which the PAP is sure that WP will lose Aljunied. That’s the whole ploy. No need to think so much!

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  • Ala, heed lhy/lwl claim CBnDy:

    CBs, so results go as expected. So no need to hear what the Judge will give, Heng knows so Heng very generously prewarn WP to be prepared. However if any non papist pprempts, there will ne roar of contempt of the Court n fined high if the non papist is a potential GE candidate! Now u understand why netizens use to hear such descript as imbercile, stupid, self gratifying self glorifying SBslike what Trump calls Demo scum n GOP parrots for QPQ man, sound familiar. QPQ should be the new PAP Mission Statement. It sounds so
    classy, just like dafpt sounds so good dove peace as Beatle would salute n now QPQ daft would think is a health call
    : Quick pee quick!
    Very like what lhy, lwl alerted which they called Complaint Bureaucrats literally mean obedient listening n do as told little doggy NOT hokkien ruth word like some netizens got so frusted to yell in desperation: ZCB, sometimes in great frustration they would preceded it with NLB ZCB. no these r rude, Imbercile r belted enough not to say such rude words othen than kpkb!
    So now u know why Parliament is used las a stage for the wayang of denial n not sue till pants n panty drop in a Court of Law. No guts to indulge in 大義灭亲 great righteousness n so Singaporeans most banana don’t make subscribe to this Confucius teaching la.
    Now understand. Dove. also Dove so kpkb is to loong love man oh man ho ho ho down own the dark chimney ha ha ho le ho leeeeee

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  • Zhenzidan:

    Jufrie ah, Goh Meng Seng and TRE Tech don’t think so you know? GMS has capitilased on this court case to continuosly tekan WP and the TRE tech, despite seeing WP kena tekan, still thinks that WP is a PAP ‘B’ team you know?

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  • Too Obvious:

    They have to make the Opposition look “bad” to draw attention away from their own mess. Instead the WP stumped them in Parliament. They were able to pass the motion simply because they have the majority advantage and the Whip. It is a pre-emptive strike before the Opposition gain more momentum in the coming GE.

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  • Voters' Right:

    Is it Constitutional or fair for the PAP to pass a motion to have elected MPs be recused from their duties? If the WP MPs have done wrong, would it not be more proper, first, for the voters of Aljunied and Hougang to call for a referendum on a motion of no confidence, with at least a two-third majority in agreement, before it is brought to Parliament? Without this first step, it would be too easy for the ruling party to take unfair advantage of their majority in Parliament over the opposition party.

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  • AMK?:

    What about AMK TC?

    Have the MP acted diligently?

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  • 4th Global Crony-Capitalist yo:

    So long as all the Pappie guys in the cabinet are consuming publicly- undeclared mammoth salaries from their appointments with government-linked business concerns, why the freaking hell are they preaching morality to those AHTC members of Parliament?

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  • gov sold us out:

    Yoda:
    Rather have EU citizens than Ah Nehs.

    theyre all the same=economic refugees…no less

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  • Be worthy:

    This heng chap being earmarked for top puppy position is supposed to think and look at big picture issues affecting the country amid so much economic uncertainties looming large ahead.

    Instead he chose to spend his energy on boring municipal problems and tries very hard to ‘fix’ the oppos. Even then it was a lousy performance,

    He looked more like a school teacher reading and dictating notes to his class during tbe good old school days without computer!

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  • Harder Truths:

    Let the 70% suffer. Good riddance. No pity for them.

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  • so ridiculous:

    the WP should sue PAP till pants drop.
    dragging the case in and out for 8 long years n putting their reputations to question.
    PM always so ready to sue sue sue.

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  • HDB flats depreciate to ZERO:

    Another compelling reason for REGIME CHANGE.

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  • Yoda:

    @gov sold us out

    It is the 70% dafts that sold us out.
    EU citizens are a better pedigree to replace these 70%.

    gov sold us out: theyre all the same=economic refugees…no less

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  • vote OPPO only:

    during GE2015 hustings, the OPPO seemed so strong. the crowd attendance seen on Internet was so very good. we flew in from UK just to cast the votes.

    alas. what a disappointment.

    we are now on the ground walking around. we no longer sense the same sentiments like the last time GE2015. everything is hushed. a very contradictory sign v-s-a-vis GE2015.

    we sense, this time, the ground is sweet for OPPO, very sweet for OPPO.

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  • Why Not All Under One Roof:

    The managing and handling of town councils administrative and municipality matters etc. should be centralised under one central control. In a set-up like Singapore, will it not be cost effective and cheaper and efficient to manage all the town councils in all constituencies under a central office.
    It will be cheaper and more efficient to allocate or deploy staff to the offices all over the island as and when necessary.
    All can use the same systems, the same documentations etc..
    There will be a better all round and well managed environment with less headaches for the MPs, ministers included.
    MPs are not trained to manage town councils affairs and the monitoring of its monetary affairs and the hosts of small and big problems associated with running it. Valuable time is wasted for the MPs.
    MPs should be left free to handle the problems of their constituents and not be burdened to run town councils.
    The ruling party having the advantage could easily and happily attract the better agencies to handle their town council affairs. Their MPs are less stressed.
    From what is heard, many of the better reputed agencies do not want to handle the town council of opposition wards for various reasons you can imagine which need not be elaborated.
    Or is it a “sick” bad-hearted ploy to inconvenience your “opponents” unnecessarily?

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  • $7 million lost pmd:

    Now that the gov is losing $7 million of taxpayer money because of their flip-flop policies on pmd, can some “independent council” sue someone in the gov to recover lost taxpayer money?

    Ok, it is zero chance.
    Even if sue, ownself sue ownself, ends up ownself profit ownself. Taxpayers still lose.

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  • Indeed:

    @Too Obvious

    Indeed, the PAP is trying to divert attention form its misgivings and too many flaws to point out. It is up to citizens to always shine light on what they want hidden. I am sure 30% is more than enough to flood their darkness with their light of shame. The IBs are no match to the citizens at all.

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  • try harder thanks:

    @Realistically

    Trying to market yourself as ‘objective’ when it is clear as day that this is a political ploy and you are ‘bent’ on continuing it. Every mistake you attempt to assigned WP should be double checked to see if it points back to the PAP. If you are an IB, be careful of where you try to point your gun eh? Suicide is an offense under the law.

    In any case, pver the course of many articles, it is clear you have a jibe with the WP, even though your reasoning is always watery. Just using this example, @Zhenzidan has already demolish you feeble attempt to smear the WP.

    You should be ready to defend the PAP in any case if the rest of us decides to point out PAP’s mistake one by one. I wonder if you will last at all. HAHAHA.

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  • a PG:

    I think our first world leaders will always look for ways to fix the oppositions, before and after being elected legitimately by the citizens. There are better ways to handle our country problems, and not to treat them like enemies, but with respect. There was so much hatred if you watch on tv how a would-be next emperor spoke so forcefully against the WP elected MPs. He felt as if WP MPs have committed the biggest crime in Sinkieland !!! I feel ashamed of having such a leader in my country.

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  • oxygen:

    @try harder thanks

    HA HA HA, @ Realistically ran out of ammunition taking pot shots against WP and has fled into his bunker in silent hiding.

    http://www.tremeritus.net/2019/10/12/workers-party-low-thia-khiang-sylvia-lim-and-pritam-singh-found-liable-for-damages-suffered-by-ahtc/

    try harder thanks: @Realistically

    Trying to market yourself as ‘objective’ when it is clear as day that this is a political ploy and you are ‘bent’ on continuing it. Every mistake you attempt to assigned WP should be double checked to see if it points back to the PAP. If you are an IB, be careful of where you try to point your gun eh? Suicide is an offense under the law.

    In any case, pver the course of many articles, it is clear you have a jibe with the WP, even though your reasoning is always watery. Just using this example, @Zhenzidan has already demolish you feeble attempt to smear the WP.

    You should be ready to defend the PAP in any case if the rest of us decides to point out PAP’s mistake one by one. I wonder if you will last at all. HAHAHA.

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  • Realistically:

    @ Zhenzidan:
    November 9, 2019 at 10:49 pm (Quote)

    “What I read was the court found them liable for awarding the contract to their supporters without calling for tender. I did not see any phrase “overpaying”. And WP has explained why, that CPG suddenly pulled out, calling for tender will take some time which they cannot afford to wait because services to the AHTC 140,000 residents will be disrupted, so FMSS was on standby. The stupid judge did not rebut this explanation, just telling us “WP is guilty”.

    U ought to read what I’ve posted and the judgment of Kannan Ramesh J. I’ve qualified my statement with the word “allegedly”.

    As of “overpaying”, you might like to ask Low Thia Khian, Sylvia Lim etc what is the next stage of the judicial proceedings, if not to determine the amount of AHTC’s residents’ money which Low, Sylvia etc had “ALLEGEDLY” overpaid to their friend and supporters at FMSS & FMIS; if Low & his co-defenders have not appeal against Ramesh J’s decision.

    Since you are not familiar with legal processes and just spewing nonsense, I don’t see a need to make further comments, except to repeat that the AHTC under Low & Sylvia refused or otherwise failed to provide even basic cleaning services to the added 700 units to AHTC even as AHTC had the cheek to collect their monthly S&C charges. Also explain why AHTC had initially demanded payment from the hawkers at the AHTC administered hawker centre for cleaning the high areas, when previously the hawkers did not have to pay and that after NEA’s intervention, AHTC did the high area cleaning FOC?

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  • Realistically:

    @ try harder thanks:
    November 10, 2019 at 11:25 am (Quote)

    “Trying to market yourself as ‘objective’ when it is clear as day that this is a political ploy and you are ‘bent’ on continuing it. Every mistake you attempt to assigned WP should be double checked to see if it points back to the PAP. If you are an IB, be careful of where you try to point your gun eh? Suicide is an offense under the law.”

    Anyone who has an iota of common sense and thinking skill would hv no doubt whatsoever that I am not an IB………What I’ve said are FACTS which had been reported and I hv repeatedly posted which are from the public domain.

    You and the other IBs are Another of the low life WAYANG PARTY s*ake oil trash with no integrity and of dishonesty as reflected in the judgment.

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  • Realistically:

    @ Zhenzidan:
    November 9, 2019 at 10:49 pm

    Sylvia Lim said in Parliament that Low, herself, Pritam and other joint defendants would be appealing Ramesh J’s judgment.

    I bet with you and your fellow low life IBs that their appeal would be DISMISSED.

    Care to bet?

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  • Realistically:

    @ try harder thanks:
    November 10, 2019 at 11:25 am (Quote)
    @Realistically

    “You should be ready to defend the PAP in any case if the rest of us decides to point out PAP’s mistake one by one. I wonder if you will last at all. HAHAHA.”

    Eh, you tok cok of wat ar?

    Low Thia Khiang had publicly defended Lee Hsien Loong over the latter’s criticisms of China 9-dash line policy in the South China Seas of which the Chinese reacted negatively against Singapore, only for LHL to back track and started to change direction.

    When China stationed military planes in their reclaimed islands, how come Low Thia Khiang did NOT further his attack on China?

    Like I said, you and your fellow IBs and the Wayang Party MPs are a DISGRACE to the genuine OPPOS.

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  • Zhenzidan:

    Realistically:
    @ Zhenzidan:
    November 9, 2019 at 10:49 pm

    Sylvia Lim said in Parliament that Low, herself, Pritam and other joint defendants would be appealing Ramesh J’s judgment.

    I bet with you and your fellow low life IBs that their appeal would be DISMISSED.

    Care to bet?

    Bet with me? Hello? Are you blind? Did you not read my last paragraph in my first reply?

    “I tell you what’s going to happen. The WP will lose the appeal for sure. Low, Sylvia and Pritam, the 3 most prominent MPs feared by PAP will be fined more than $2,000 and barred form taking part in elections. The WP will be forced to field other 3 new candidates which the PAP is sure that WP will lose Aljunied. That’s the whole ploy. No need to think so much!”

    I know their appeal will be dismissed not because they are really guilty but because this is a PAP-controlled court. No need to come and teach me!

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  • Zhenzidan:

    U ought to read what I’ve posted and the judgment of Kannan Ramesh J. I’ve qualified my statement with the word “allegedly”.

    As of “overpaying”, you might like to ask Low Thia Khian, Sylvia Lim etc what is the next stage of the judicial proceedings, if not to determine the amount of AHTC’s residents’ money which Low, Sylvia etc had “ALLEGEDLY” overpaid to their friend and supporters at FMSS & FMIS; if Low & his co-defenders have not appeal against Ramesh J’s decision.

    Since you are not familiar with legal processes and just spewing nonsense, I don’t see a need to make further comments, except to repeat that the AHTC under Low & Sylvia refused or otherwise failed to provide even basic cleaning services to the added 700 units to AHTC even as AHTC had the cheek to collect their monthly S&C charges. Also explain why AHTC had initially demanded payment from the hawkers at the AHTC administered hawker centre for cleaning the high areas, when previously the hawkers did not have to pay and that after NEA’s intervention, AHTC did the high area cleaning FOC?

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    That’s right! “Alleged” is the key word, meaning they have not been proven guilty of overpaying. So what justification does the judge have in pronouncing them guilty? And you seem so confident that they were indeed guilty, from the way you add oil to fire by parroting what the Heng Swee Kiat said that WP lacks integrity and were dishonest.

    I am “not familiar with legal processes”? Ok, I tell you what “legal processes” by a court and Justice which everyone knows is controlled by PAP.

    I am familar with.

    1997 elections.
    Goh Chok Tong called Tang Liang Hong of WP a Chinese chauvinist and uttered these words “This man is dangerous”
    Tang tells the crowd in a rally that Goh is “cococting lies” by calling him a chauvinist. He filed a police report against Goh.
    JBJ took the report and told the crowd in another rally that “a police report has been fied against Goh CT.

    Goh CT sued both of them. After going through a “legal process” the court found JBJ and Tang guilty of defamation. Tang was asked to compensate Goh and LKY $8 million. LKY and Goh CT went through the “legal processes” to freeze Tang’s overseas assets. Even Tang’s wife, Mdm Teo Siew Har was implicated because LKY and Goh was sure that he will transfer his assets into his wife’s name.

    Two observers from the International Court of Jurist described the judgement as “dubious”.

    Chee Soon Juan was also sued, fined and bankrupted as a result of the “court processes”.

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  • Zhenzidan:

    @Realistically (cont)

    Now the PAP is using the same tactic against WP. Everyone can see that, including you, Goh Meng Seng and Kenneth Jeyaretnam. But you all acted blur. Three of you capitalised on this PAP court tactic to gun down WP. You and TRE Tech also indirectly lent ammunition to the PAP to gun down WP. This tactic by you and TRE Tech is then what we call “no integrity” or no spine and most of all shameless!

    No need to repeat the Hawker Centre cleaning services saga. Netizens already pointed out the complainants are PAP RC grassroot leaders and the NEA was under Vivian Blalkrishnan at that time.

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  • Zhenzidan:

    @Realistically

    When China stationed military planes in their reclaimed islands, how come Low Thia Khiang did NOT further his attack on China?

    Like I said, you and your fellow IBs and the Wayang Party MPs are a DISGRACE to the genuine OPPOS.

    Hello, you trying to teach Low Thia Khiang how to be an effective oppo? Disgrace to genuine oppos? Wait till your so-called “genuine oppos” win seats in parliament then you come and talk ok?

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  • Zhenzidan:

    My reply to Realistically, reposting because first posting paragraphs causing confusion
    Reliatically said:
    U ought to read what I’ve posted and the judgment of Kannan Ramesh J. I’ve qualified my statement with the word “allegedly”.

    As of “overpaying”, you might like to ask Low Thia Khian, Sylvia Lim etc what is the next stage of the judicial proceedings, if not to determine the amount of AHTC’s residents’ money which Low, Sylvia etc had “ALLEGEDLY” overpaid to their friend and supporters at FMSS & FMIS; if Low & his co-defenders have not appeal against Ramesh J’s decision.

    Since you are not familiar with legal processes and just spewing nonsense, I don’t see a need to make further comments, except to repeat that the AHTC under Low & Sylvia refused or otherwise failed to provide even basic cleaning services to the added 700 units to AHTC even as AHTC had the cheek to collect their monthly S&C charges. Also explain why AHTC had initially demanded payment from the hawkers at the AHTC administered hawker centre for cleaning the high areas, when previously the hawkers did not have to pay and that after NEA’s intervention, AHTC did the high area cleaning FOC?

    —–——————————————————
    My reply:

    That’s right! “Alleged” is the key word, meaning they have not been proven guilty of overpaying. So what justification does the judge have in pronouncing them guilty? And you seem so confident that they were indeed guilty, from the way you add oil to fire by parroting what the Heng Swee Kiat said that WP lacks integrity and were dishonest.

    I am “not familiar with legal processes”? Ok, I tell you what “legal processes” by a court and Justice which everyone knows is controlled by PAP, which I am familar with.

    1997 elections.
    Goh Chok Tong called Tang Liang Hong of WP a Chinese chauvinist and uttered these words “This man is dangerous”

    Tang tells the crowd in a rally that Goh is “cococting lies” by calling him a chauvinist. He filed a police report against Goh.

    JBJ took the report and told the crowd in another rally that “a police report has been fied against Goh CT.

    Goh CT sued both of them. After going through a “legal process” the court found JBJ and Tang guilty of defamation. Tang was asked to compensate Goh and LKY $8 million. LKY and Goh CT went through the “legal processes” to freeze Tang’s overseas assets. Even Tang’s wife, Mdm Teo Siew Har was implicated because LKY and Goh was sure that he will transfer his assets into his wife’s name.

    Two observers from the International Court of Jurist described the judgement as “dubious”.

    Chee Soon Juan was also sued, fined and bankrupted as a result of the “court processes”.

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  • Zhenzidan:

    Zhenzidan:
    @Realistically

    When China stationed military planes in their reclaimed islands, how come Low Thia Khiang did NOT further his attack on China?

    Like I said, you and your fellow IBs and the Wayang Party MPs are a DISGRACE to the genuine OPPOS.

    ———————————————————–
    My reply:
    Hello, you trying to teach Low Thia Khiang how to be an effective oppo? Disgrace to genuine oppos? Wait till your so-called “genuine oppos” win seats in parliament then you come and talk ok?

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  • Zhenzidan:

    Here is an archive regarding the AHPTC Food Centre cleaning dispute with NEA:

    Two petition letters were sent to Straits Times on 3rd June 2013 by hawkers of Blocks 511 and 538. These petitions raised a few interesting questions.

    petition1 petition2 (pictures of petition letters unable to publish here)

    Why was the petition not addressed to the Town Council? Instead, the petition was sent directed to the press without any initial or indication of the person whom drafted the petition. Does this also suggest that both petitions originated from the same person?

    TOC earlier received an email prompt from a person named Micheal Tan on 2nd June 2013, stating that a petition will be sent with regards to the hawker issue, which The Real Singapore also received a copy of. We wrote back to the person seeking to know more but there has been no reply from this account since and this mail account seems to have been randomly created.

    With regards to Block 511, the stall owners interviewed said that they have not been informed that they would need to pay any money for the cleaning of the hawker centre. And with what Workers’ Party has reiterated again and again, they have not asked the hawkers to pay for anything.

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  • Zhenzidan:

    Food Centre cleaning saga investigation (cont)

    A case of total miscommunication?

    Just recently, it has been revealed online that the chairman of the Block 538 Market Association, Mr Ng Kok Khim, was a recipient of the People’s Action Party’s (PAP) long service award as well as being highly likely a PA member given that he was part of the audit committee of Marine Parade. He was also the person whom the scaffolding company, ATL, submitted the quotation for the cleaning of the high ceilings.

    Notwithstanding his political affiliation, his experience with the cleaning process of the hawker centre should have enabled him to advise AHPETC about their duty to erect the scaffolding for the cleaning. If the town council has been duly informed, it is reasonable to assume that they would have enough time to erect the scaffolding and still complete the cleaning within the stipulated.

    The defence so far put up by the town council is that NEA failed to explain the matters properly. The key question to ask is why AHPETC seems to have depended solely on the exchange with NEA to determine the extent of work that needed to be done in cleaning the hawker centres. They could have visited the hawker centre themselves prior to the cleaning exercise to understand the concerns of the hawkers. Given that they are doing this for the first time with this hawker centre and should not base solely on NEA’s email notification stating that the hawker association will manage the scaffolding.

    NEA, on its part, also came out unnecessarily harsh against AHPETC in strongly worded statements, which were widely carried by the newspapers. Should that be the expected response from a government agency, even if to defend its public image of impartiality and right to due process?

    Incidentally, the first story published on this issue was about the hawkers were being asked to pay for scaffolding by the AHPETC (Straits Times story). Now that TOC has shed more light on the concerns of the hawkers involved, it might suggest that the entire slant of the story thus far, about how the issue has been overtly politicised, has been blown out of proportion. The mess we read in the papers now seems more like an exaggerated case of miscommunication.

    What’s next?

    TOC also dropped down to the hawker centre at Block 511 to ask if they were affected by this issue. Stall owners have said that their cleaning has not been carried out yet but will be due soon on 24th June 2013.

    They express their concern over the fact that they have not received any information from the town council or letters about the impending cleaning exercise. The cleaning due on 24th June 2013 will be carried out for 3 days.

    Hopefully, there would not be a re-occurrence of the Block 538, in the interest of the…

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  • Realistically:

    @ Zhenzidan:

    “Bet with me? Hello? Are you blind? Did you not read my last paragraph in my first reply?”

    I had said in my reply thus:

    “Since you are not familiar with legal processes and just spewing nonsense, I don’t see a need to make further comments…”

    No I didn’t read your last part because u r not familiar with legal processes and just spewing nonsense.

    In any case, since u already believe that Low, Sylvia, Pritam etc are sure to lose, then the judgment of Ramesh J stands. So why tok cok about the appeal?

    Like I said, u & your fellow low life Wayang Party IB have no integrity, dishonest like what the Justice Ramesh had described, there is no point for me continuing with your troll.

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  • Realistically:

    @ Zhenzidan:
    November 11, 2019 at 11:21 pm (Quote)

    “1997 elections.
    Goh Chok Tong called Tang Liang Hong of WP a Chinese chauvinist and uttered these words “This man is dangerous”

    Tang tells the crowd in a rally that Goh is “cococting lies” by calling him a chauvinist. He filed a police report against Goh.

    JBJ took the report and told the crowd in another rally that “a police report has been fied against Goh CT.

    Goh CT sued both of them. After going through a “legal process” the court found JBJ and Tang guilty of defamation. Tang was asked to compensate Goh and LKY $8 million. LKY and Goh CT went through the “legal processes” to freeze Tang’s overseas assets. Even Tang’s wife, Mdm Teo Siew Har was implicated because LKY and Goh was sure that he will transfer his assets into his wife’s name.

    Two observers from the International Court of Jurist described the judgement as “dubious”.

    Chee Soon Juan was also sued, fined and bankrupted as a result of the “court processes”.

    I can’t resist this one.

    U obviously conveniently forgot that Sylvia Lim had DEFENDED the Singapore judiciary at the IBA meeting held in Singapore in 2007. Please check with Sylvia Lim & the official record………..how come the Wayang Party removed Sylvia Lim’s speech from its website?

    As for the purported International Court of Jurist describing the judgment as “dubious” maybe a better example is that the Privy Council, then Singapore’s very own highest court of appeal had described the judgment against JB Jeyaretnam as a “GRIEVOUS INJUSTICE”………..haha, you know legal process? They why did Low, Sylvia, Pritam etc spend in the region of $1 million for the SC to defend them? Might as well plead no contest lah.

    PATHETIC.

    And what did the Wayang Party MPs & their IB do when Li ShengWu is being charged for contempt of court for a private post that the judiciary is “PLIANT”; that Leong Sze Hian & Terry Xu being charged for defamation?

    ABSOLUTE SILENCE……..so dun tok cok lah, as if u know more about SINKaPOOR politics than I do.

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  • Realistically:

    By the way, dun give excuses about “miscommunication” regarding the cleaning of hawker centre & failure to provide basic cleaning services even as AHTC was collecting the S&C charges from the new 700 units added to AHTC………..just like excuses being given by the Wayang Party MPs about not getting info from the PAPies, when Philip Ang has managed to give numerous examples of the PAPies propaganda about medical subsidies and investment losses by Temasek & GIC.

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  • Zhenzidan:

    They why did Low, Sylvia, Pritam etc spend in the region of $1 million for the SC to defend them? Might as well plead no contest lah.

    PATHETIC.

    And what did the Wayang Party MPs & their IB do when Li ShengWu is being charged for contempt of court for a private post that the judiciary is “PLIANT”; that Leong Sze Hian & Terry Xu being charged for defamation?

    ABSOLUTE SILENCE……..so dun tok cok lah, as if u know more about SINKaPOOR politics than I do.
    ———–_———————
    Don’t tok cok la, plead no contest is like confessing, then voters vote in them for what? They know pap is trying the old tactic to use the courts to bankrupt them and they have to at least fight, and manage to raise 1million dollars in 3days.

    Also Lee SW, Leong and Terry don’t need WP to say anything. They can fight their own battle.

    Sylvia defended the judiciary because they cannot be wrong all the time. But Sylvia never defended the Court’s decision to bankrupt any oppos. Low TK already mentioned before, kena due until pants drop. And having worked so hard to get into parliament, they know it takes just one word to let the court capitalize on to sue you and remove you, like what happened to JBJ.

    It’s precisely headless oppo supporters like you who still think that charging aimlessly like a bull means good oppo. That’s why your favorite oppo parties never win.

    But I hope this will change.

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  • Zhenzidan:

    Realistically:
    By the way, dun give excuses about “miscommunication” regarding the cleaning of hawker centre & failure to provide basic cleaning services even as AHTC was collecting the S&C charges from the new 700 units added to AHTC………..just like excuses being given by the Wayang Party MPs about not getting info from the PAPies, when Philip Ang has managed to give numerous examples of the PAPies propaganda about medical subsidies and investment losses by Temasek & GIC.

    _—_———————
    When you are prejudiced against someone, any explanation will be interpreted as an excuse. Just like when the court says you are guilty means you are guilty, especially when it involves oppo against PAP.

    I say it again, WP may not have been effective enough, but can other oppo parties win votes like them? So far no, this then is really”pathetic”. But I hope Tan CB will capture at one GRC.

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  • Realistically:

    @ Zhenzidan:
    November 12, 2019 at 8:38 am (Quote)

    “Don’t tok cok la, plead no contest is like confessing, then voters vote in them for what? They know pap is trying the old tactic to use the courts to bankrupt them and they have to at least fight, and manage to raise 1million dollars in 3days”

    Again. u show how pathetic u are.

    Sylvia Lim & Pritam are LAWYERS and so is another of the WP NCMP Dennis Tan besides the Cambridge educated lawyer. If you dun believe in the integrity of the judiciary, then why waste money engaging an SC?

    Heard of LIP? Why not just get Dennis Tan to do the Defence? Did I say that the Defendants should just plead “NO CONTEST”/

    “Also Lee SW, Leong and Terry don’t need WP to say anything. They can fight their own battle.”

    Yes, but you are toking about the supposed integrity or otherwise of the judiciary, political or not? U mean only in politically connected case that the judiciary does not measure up? And “Lee SW, Leong and Terry” are not politically in context?

    “Sylvia defended the judiciary because they cannot be wrong all the time.But Sylvia never defended the Court’s decision to bankrupt any oppos. Low TK already mentioned before, kena due until pants drop. ”

    Hello, u know about the Supreme Court judge’s oath of office pursuant to the Constitution of the Republic of Singapore, First Schedule (Form 6)? The said oath of office does not mention about whether a judge’s decision should be influenced or not by whether the case is political in nature. Like I said, you and your fellow Wayang Party IBs and the Wayang Party MPs are PATHETIC, giving excuses after excuses.

    And by the way, an MP’s oath also states that he/she swears/affirms to protect the Constitution of the Republic of Singapore in common with the last part of the judge’s oath.

    Once again, u r just PATHETIC.

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  • n more than badmintons:

    //They why did Low, Sylvia, Pritam etc spend in the region of $1 million for the SC to defend them? Might as well plead no contest lah.

    PATHETIC.

    And what did the Wayang Party MPs & their IB do when Li ShengWu is being charged for contempt of court for a private post that the judiciary is “PLIANT”; that Leong Sze Hian & Terry Xu being charged for defamation?

    ABSOLUTE SILENCE……..so dun tok cok lah, as if u know more about SINKaPOOR politics than I do.//

    aiyoh. let’s guess ? maybe they try to play fair and proper by playing by the white idiotic rules (going through the proper channel & legal process by defending themselves ? lest they be accused of ignoring the alleged ‘impropriety’ ?

    as for LSW case, again playing by the white rules on the contempt of court as the case is still on-going ?

    they are too nice lar and trying to be too proper lah unlike the white monkey idiots and gang trying all patterns (n more than badmintons) to ‘tarnish’ them ? right or not ?

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  • Realistically:

    @ Zhenzidan:
    November 12, 2019 at 8:55 am (Quote)

    “When you are prejudiced against someone, any explanation will be interpreted as an excuse. Just like when the court says you are guilty means you are guilty, especially when it involves oppo against PAP”

    Hello, I have shown with concrete facts and evidence in the public domain why I have described Low & his fellow MPs as fake oppos from the Wayang Party. I am not prejudiced in any way. The Wayang Party IBs have consistently FAILED to rebut or debunk what I have posted except with their low life troll.

    “I say it again, WP may not have been effective enough, but can other oppo parties win votes like them? So far no, this then is really”pathetic”. But I hope Tan CB will capture at one GRC.”

    The public has more trust and respect for Chiam See Tong at least for his honesty and integrity, which unfortunately are basic human qualities NOT found in Low Thia Khiang, Sylvia Lim, Pritam Singh etc.

    So dun link “other oppo parties” with the Wayang Party. I hv also criticised Chee Soon Juan, based on the facts, and whom the Wayang Party had refused to even meet.

    In so far as the 1st stage of the AHTC v Low Thia Khiang, Sylvia Lim, Pritam and the other joint defendants are concerned, even if the case were to be decided by a British judge with English QCs, the conclusion would be the same lah, because Low & Sylvia in particular, cannot show that they had acted in “good faith” based on the facts and evidence, especially those qualified audit reports leading up to the court action by the independent AHTC panel. So dun hide under the excuse of this being a political case with Low, Sylvia etc being victims being “FIXED”.

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  • twelve years gap:

    //U obviously conveniently forgot that Sylvia Lim had DEFENDED the Singapore judiciary at the IBA meeting held in Singapore in 2007. Please check with Sylvia Lim & the official record………..how come the Wayang Party removed Sylvia Lim’s speech from its website?//

    hahaha. 2007 and now 2019 ? twelve years gap lar ? maybe she did not know that the white idiots could go to such a wayang extent to ‘cut’ her and members down even though they are trying as best as possible to do an honest and humble work lar for the people ?

    aiyoh. i saw many activists who tried to be fair and be goody goody many years ago and now have hardened their views (namely negative ?) on the white idiots who seldom give an wayang ‘inch’ lar ?

    many daft sinkies have had faith on the white idiots for too long lar and it’s the white monkey idiots who have wayang too much for people to lose faith lar ? you cannot see meh ?

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  • Slaying Treachery:

    (Psalm 37)

    14 The wicked draw their swords and bend their bows

    to bring down the poor and needy,

    to slay those whose way is upright;

    15 their swords shall enter their own hearts,

    and their bows shall be broken.

    16 Better is the little that the righteous has

    than the abundance of many wicked.

    17 For the arms of the wicked shall be broken,

    but the Lord upholds the righteous.

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  • Realistically:

    @ twelve years gap:
    November 12, 2019 at 9:58 am (Quote)

    U got no balls to put your usual moniker to post, which is not surprising for low life forms like you and your Wayang Party IB.

    In your fellow low life IB reply as quoted below, the 1997 election incident happened 22 years ago………if you don’t even know how to count.

    PATHETIC & SHAMELESS.

    I rest my case, not replying any more.

    @ Zhenzidan:
    November 11, 2019 at 10:07 pm (Quote)

    “1997 elections.
    Goh Chok Tong called Tang Liang Hong of WP a Chinese chauvinist and uttered these words “This man is dangerous”

    Tang tells the crowd in a rally that Goh is “cococting lies” by calling him a chauvinist. He filed a police report against Goh.

    JBJ took the report and told the crowd in another rally that “a police report has been fied against Goh CT.”

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  • you got case:

    //U got no balls to put your usual moniker to post, which is not surprising for low life forms like you and your Wayang Party IB.//

    wow wow wow. not easy to be “working” for the white idiotic side who keep on “wayanging” so much hor ? and their white idiotic logic gets out of whack occasionally hor ? got balls or no balls must be defined by having a moniker meh ?

    //In your fellow low life IB reply as quoted below, the 1997 election incident happened 22 years ago………if you don’t even know how to count.//

    aiyoh. now tok (magically switching to) about 1997 not 2007 on SL in your original statement ?

    keep on shifting the wayang goal post (first tok 2007 now tok 1997) just like the white monkey idiots who keep on “wayanging”, how to count lar ? even the best mathematician will be blur when you tok like 4 = 5 and selected = elected lar ?

    //I rest my case, not replying any more.//

    aiyoh. like dat also can ? you got case meh ?

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  • Zhenzidan:

    @Realistically
    “Hello, I have shown with concrete facts and evidence in the public domain why I have described Low & his fellow MPs as fake oppos from the Wayang Party. I am not prejudiced in any way.

    Your so called “concrete facts” are all gotten from the MSM who will never hesitate to paint an ugly picture of any oppo as long the PAP demonise them. You are not prejudiced, maybe. You bore a deep hatred and can’t wait to see WP falter!
    ________________________________________________________________
    “The public has more trust and respect for Chiam See Tong at least for his honesty and integrity, which unfortunately are basic human qualities NOT found in Low Thia Khiang, Sylvia Lim, Pritam Singh etc.”

    Hello, don’t make my cock laugh lah!The public has more trust? Chiam vacated his Potong Pasir stronghold to contest against the most hated PAP minister Wong Kan Seng and lost. Even his wife lost Potong Pasir! Low TK left Hougang to contest against the highly popular George Yeo and broke the “impregnable” GRC! An unknown guy Yaw Shin Leong also won Hougang! Public has more trust in Chiam but he has never been voted back again. You Tok cok right?
    _________________________________________________________________________
    “Sylvia Lim & Pritam are LAWYERS and so is another of the WP NCMP Dennis Tan besides the Cambridge educated lawyer. If you dun believe in the integrity of the judiciary, then why waste money engaging an SC?”

    If they did what you suggested “plead no contest”, people like you will turn around and say “Guilty conscience, that’s why dare not fight openly in the court, this shows no integrity.”

    If WP says we don’t trust the judiciary’”, you will turn around and utter the same words “Don’t give excuses lah!”

    On the other hand, if they engage SC and fight the case in court, at least the public will hear their side of story and make their own conclusions.
    _____________________________________________________________________
    “even if the case were to be decided by a British judge with English QCs, the conclusion would be the same lah, because Low & Sylvia in particular, cannot show that they had acted in “good faith” based on the facts and evidence, especially those qualified audit reports leading up to the court action by the independent AHTC panel.”

    Oh yeah, JBJ also engaged British QC George Carmen to fight for him and still lost. You did not disagree that the court decision was dubious. But even before WP engaged any QC, you already pronounce them guilty. You not prjudiced? Oh yah, I forgot, it’s deep hatred.

    Incidentally, after the British QC grilled Goh CT in court, they no longer allowed QC to represent anyone. Ask Chee SJ what happened when he applied for Australian QC Steward…

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  • Zhenzidan:

    You were unable to rebut any of Jufrie’s points, instead resorting to talking like what you did below, and went on the digout previous disputes to try to demonise the WP. Who is the pathetic one?

    “Whether the latest financial statements are all in order or not does not mean that Low Thia Khiang and Sylvia Lim are not liable with the court’s characterisation of them as dishonest.”

    If the financial means are all in order, it means the court is absurd to characterise them as “dishonest”. In other words, wrongful accusation”

    Just like me telling you “You may have done everything in order but that does not mean you are not dishonest”
    That means I am talking cock right?

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