Dr Chee: It would be ludicrous for the MOM to say that ‘in the minister’s view’ the earth is round

The most shocking part of the Manpower Minister Josephine Teo’s POFMA action against the SDP involves this statement in the MOM’s affidavit:

“Counsel will elaborate further on the legal position: what has been set out is, in the Minister’s view, the correct, reasonable interpretation, and there is no other reasonable interpretation of the Relevant Sentence. The Minister has been further advised however, that the legal position is that, as long as what has been set out is one reasonable interpretation (amongst several possible interpretations) such that it could be said that some people (at the very least) would have adopted that reasonable interpretation, then the CD can be issued if that reasonable interpretation is false.”

“I did a double take when I first read it, I thought it was a prank,” Dr Chee said in court this afternoon. “This position defies comprehension.”

How does one justify the use of the Minister’s opinion and interpretations to charge the SDP with making a “false statement of fact”.

Dr Chee had to take the court through the meaning of the word “fact”. Facts have actual existence. They can be objectively verified and are not in dispute. They are not open to interpretation or opinion.

He said, “I’m sure you’ve heard of the adage ‘you are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.’”

So, when Ms Josephine Teo says that the SDP has made a false statement of fact, what she is saying is that the SDP’s statement is indisputably, demonstrably wrong. That false statement is not open to interpretation.

He gave the example of the SDP making the statement that the earth is flat. The MOM can say that this is a false statement of fact because it can be demonstrated that the earth is globular, not flat, and there won’t be any dispute.

But what the MOM won’t say is that “in the Minister’s view” the earth is round. That’s a ludicrous statement to make, Dr Chee said.

The fact that MOM has to qualify that it is the Minister’s view, that hers is a correct, reasonable “interpretation” and so on, shows how ridiculous the MOM’s case is.

“Has it come to a point that a Minister’s opinion and interpretation of a statement can dictate what is fact and what is not?” Dr Chee asked.

The AGC also said that there may be “several possible interpretations” of a statement that “some people would have adopted”. How many is some? 3, 10, 100?

Falsehoods don’t rely on opinions or interpretations of “some” people. They are indisputably wrong and untrue.

In the present case, the entire day was spent disputing statistical data by both sides. This cannot, by any stretch of the imagine, qualify as a falsehood, much less a deliberate one necessitating the application of POFMA.

“Your Honour,” Dr Chee summed up, “this is a court of law, and a court of law is where reason thrives. For surely, when reason sleeps, absurdities arise. Reason is based on evidence and evidence on facts, not opinions and interpretations – especially the interpretations of a partisan-political player.”

This is the clearest example yet of how the POFMA is being abused.

Earlier, the SDP applied to convert the Originating Summons into a Writ so that there can be discovery of documents and MOM officials, including Minister Teo, can be called to the witness stand and be cross-examined.

Justice Ang Cheng Hock, however, disallowed the application.

The SDP argued that it is concerned about of job security of Singaporeans and unfair competition of jobs from foreign PMETs.

The hearing continues tomorrow.

 

Singapore Democrats

 

 

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25 Responses to “Dr Chee: It would be ludicrous for the MOM to say that ‘in the minister’s view’ the earth is round”

  • Head I win, tail you lose:

    If bare back JT says that the earth is flat, how? Believe or not?

    What to do, it must be true by her based on Pofkima!!

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  • REGIME CHANGE is the solution:

    POFMA boomerang on PAP. An “own goal” by PAP. What a joke?

    Dr. Chee is absolutely right. “In Minister’s view” is irrelevant. Facts are facts. “Interpretation/views” are not needed. Ministers cannot decide what is a fact, i.e., what is true and what is false, what is the truth. The above applies to falsehoods and lies.

    SDP: 1 PAP: 0

    If the Court goes against SDP the credibility of the court goes down the toilet and the score will be:

    SDP: 2 PAP: 0

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  • We support Dr Chee:

    Dr Chee is too smart for them..
    But all will be lost if daft sinkies still believe n vote those betraying PAPs.

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  • We support Dr Chee:

    The PAP makes up their own crooked rules and laws.
    They then abuse it but turn around and justify them.
    Uniquely SINKINGPORE

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  • Log10:

    Maybe the judge can go nearby Padang

    And experience what the meaning vastness means.

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  • Hawking Eye:

    Dr Chee is too clever to take on these dafts. I doubt that anybody in the PAP can take on him except probably for LKY but he is no longer around. The PAP will put in all its resources to make sure he does not become an MP – a nightmare for PAP. People ought to think. A bad Dr Chee, as considered by PAP, is good for Singapore and democracy.

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  • Shit enmass:

    It is a witch hunt .. just the old hag Nancy pelosi – old hagged wrinkled with ayered of redundant waste – it called democractic Sabreranting to knuckle out the opposition – a tactics used by a declining dictator who knows their lights are waning – worse those sheepish follower of theirs are not strong enough to stand on their own feet to think . Her fart is more relevant becos the brainwashed garbages they swallow comes from mass shits group thinkers

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  • Harder Truths:

    Can the statement be considered as true by the masses – if people are scared shitless to dispute it?

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  • opposition dude:

    Steady lah SDP! Whack the judge good and proper and make “you don’t need a large place to screw” eat her words!

    Pressure and pressure some more!

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  • SDP Bang on it:

    You guys knows why the MOM or the AG still cannot present their datas representation in court? [at least until now, we don't know if it's presented or not]

    I suspect presenting FAKES data in court is a very serious offense and if I’m the AG, I won’t be putting myself into the shit. Let the Teo present herself in court.

    If this is the case, SDP should bang on this point. Insist on the data and insist on their presentation of the datas in court.

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  • Bapak:

    The judge is shitting in his pants. How to apply “inside is not within” here? Losing his job soon.

    Loony is regretting, giving Dr Chee a chance to debate them. Golden opportunity, before GE2020. POFMA is backfiring on them.

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  • NotMyProblem:

    Bapak:
    The judge is shitting in his pants. How to apply “inside is not within” here? Losing his job soon.

    Loony is regretting, giving Dr Chee a chance to debate them. Golden opportunity, before GE2020. POFMA is backfiring on them.

    No problem, the judge could only say POFMA gives the judiciary no power in ruling this case. POFMA only allows Ministers the arbiter of truth that all.

    When the Minister feels the earth is flat than it is flat, final.

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  • Straight "A"s Marlboro Tan:

    the bast**d regime is getting ridiculous each passing day,..

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  • TruBlu:

    Sgs must remember both DR CHEE N HIS WIFE ARE PHDs.
    In Sg,do you see any other couple with REAL PHDs(not bought) living in poor conditions with their YOUNG CHILDREN sufferring quietly with their PHD parents?

    Dr Chee n Mrs Chee n your sacrificial kids,THIS OLD sg uncle thank you.

    God bless you all.

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  • “Counsel will elaborate further on the legal position: what has been set out is, in the Minister’s view, the correct, reasonable interpretation, and there is no other reasonable interpretation of the Relevant Sentence. The Minister has been further advised however, that the legal position is that, as long as what has been set out is one reasonable interpretation (amongst several possible interpretations) such that it could be said that some people (at the very least) would have adopted that reasonable interpretation, then the CD can be issued if that reasonable interpretation is false.”

    So by this reasoning, if I say 1+1=2 and if there is a remote possibility that one idiot might feel that I may actually be saying 1+1=11, then I can be POFMAed?

    No wonder he can be promoted to head the AG, another “inside is not within” brilliant lawyer!
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  • Voting for SDP now:

    This Coverment is getting more and more ridiculous.

    It’s debased Parliament and our justice system.

    No one is above the law.

    It’s a very dangerous precedent. The Chief Justice and the Law Society must speak up and defend our justice system.

    But alas, they rather look the other way.

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  • Eddie:

    The Dy AG(Kumar Nair) ought to recuse himself from this case as he was pap MP and now defending a colleague: ownself defend ownself!!??

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  • lying pap S$m liars:

    pap AGC can say, INSIDE 200m is not within 200m.

    hope that AGC was not from Oxbridge since the esteemed Us shall forever bear the joke they have produced jokers.

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  • NotMyProblem:

    TRE Techie:

    So by this reasoning, if I say 1+1=2 and if there is a remote possibility that one idiot might feel that I may actually be saying 1+1=11, then I can be POFMAed?

    No wonder he can be promoted to head the AG, another “inside is not within” brilliant lawyer!

    Same as 4=5, remember?

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  • khaw boon huan is Msian:

    we don’t know what to say.

    we need a lot of space to ffff.

    gymnastics here gymnastic there all need a lot of space.

    we just don’t believe pap Cb who says she doesn’t need much space to ffff.

    after all, it is pap speaking. so WHATEVER pap says cannot be true lah.

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  • Scare the shit out of them:

    None of these million dollar ministers can Square up with Chee, Kenneth or Cheng Bock in open debate. They’ll fumble worse than fumbling Heng !!! Getting these guys into parliament will give them nightmares in parliamentary debates. Then you’ll see Parliament meetings empty most of the time cos these guys will be too terrified to even show up !!!

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  • Dr Tan Tai Wei:

    Once it’s conceded that Minister’s view is an “interpretation” of statistics, and SDP’s another, the dispute being not about the truth or falsity of statistics themselves, but about which interpretation of them is acceptable or more reasonable, the fake news law cannot be applied. Statistics can be misquoted, wrongfully gathered, etc., therefore meaningfully designated true or false, fake or not. Otherwise, interpretations of them can only be discussable to be more or less reasonable, convincing, etc.

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  • Gentle on our minds:

    Dedication for:
    Dr. Chee Soon Juan &
    Dr. Huang Chee Mei

    https://youtu.be/5UwdhqEFbQU

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  • Change We Must:

    Definitely it is about job security of Singaporeans and unfair competition of jobs from foreign PMETs.
    AGC please be very clear that the court of law is based on evidence and facts, and not based on opinions and interpretations. You are a trained legal professional, where on earth you get those ideas. Which law school you are from??
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  • Hawking Eye:

    I am afraid Kenneth and Cheng Bock are no match to quick thinking and articulate Chee. I am largely pro-PAP but there are 1-2 Opposition individuals who I would like to see them in parliament and that certainly includes Chee. Character assasination of him only goes to show how badly the PAP wish that he should never become an MP as he is likely to give them a hell of a time in parliament. Except perhaps for PM Lee and Tharman, I doubt anyone else in the PAP can take on him extempore verbally. People should take note of him and dismiss all propaganda against him.

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