Minister Chan’s statistics lead us to more questions on workforce numbers

Minister Chan Chun Sing revealed that 17% of new jobs went to PRs, whilst they make up a total of 15% of the Singaporean workforce.  In my opinion, this is engaging in typical selective disclosure as several questions immediately come to mind:

1) Why did he report only on total jobs created between 2015 and 2018? And why only on “jobs created”? This misses instances where a Singaporean was fired and then replaced by a foreigner or PR?

2) Why breakdown the statistics only by Singaporeans and PRs? What about foreigners and new citizens (where around 25,000 given out each year)?

3) Since the floodgates were opened in early 2000s, shouldn’t he disclose number of Singaporeans, PRs and foreigners taking new jobs and replacement jobs each year between 2000 and 2018?

4) I suspect many jobs created between 2015 and 2018 were PHV drivers and food deliverers. Can we also have a breakdown of the new jobs by full-time, part-time and temporary and by salary buckets as some of the “new jobs” created could be held by Singaporeans and are poor quality jobs with no prospects.

PAP cannot continue to hide bad statistics/data. They cant expect to convince us by selective disclosure.

This is why we sorely need a Freedom of Information Act but PAP will never allow it because they don’t want the people to know the truth!

 

Henryace Ace

 

 

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36 Responses to “Minister Chan’s statistics lead us to more questions on workforce numbers”

  • Room for Cheating:

    If no open book, independent audit done, a future Rogue govt can bluff and lie to the people who will be cheated as loong as they base on BELIEVING harbor an unquestioning stupid mind.

    Such a system inherently has a fundamentally flawed design.

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  • Majority rules:

    As long as a unintellectual majority remains, the system flaws will remain perpetually.

    Democracy has a flaw. The majority could be zombies and stupid or brainwashed.

    Or they can simple be willing accomplice who lack conscience and morality or intellectual honesty.

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  • HSK low profile now?:

    Is it just me or is it HSK has been lying low?

    Busy with some upcummimg activity?

    Stroke?

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  • VTO:

    This govt dont want others to be vague, but it is itself, vague & pretentious, when disclosing employment figures & statistics.

    Wayang wayang coz election is coming, MOM finally wakes up & start taking action.
    U take your own citizens for granted & only take action now?
    Seriously, PAP & MOM…, after all these years S’poreans have been unfairly discriminated when it comes to employment ?

    Chan can smoke the rest by lumping citizens & PRs as 1… but we can see through the cracks!
    What Chan mean by ‘pre-selected’?
    Is this govt proud when the ratio is 3 to 1? Does the 3 include PRs?

    High # foreign workers in ICT. So why’re so many Indian nationals with qualifications from unknown & mediocre edu. institution, can obtain jobs in SG easily? What foreign talent is PAP talking about? Skills & exp. of majority of these massive foreign workers are juz that – Average!!

    Wake up!
    VTO

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  • Sinkie:

    Actually, it underscores the need for more opposition Members in Parliament to pressure the PAP elites to reveal data that the people of Singapore really wants to know.

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  • Asd:

    If sinkieporean give up citizen cannot come sinkieland to work … why ar…

    I think give up is better then be F thrash

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  • Dont trust PAP:

    For all we know, the stats have been massaged.
    Look around us, at least 50,000 grab/fatpanda/deliveroo delivery jobs were created over the last few years.
    More good jobs are “created” for old folks cleaning tables at hawker centres instead of foreigners.
    Ask the PHV “professionals”, a few thousand of them here, what jobs they held previously, and I am quite sure a large percentage is former PMETs.
    Go to Raffles Place, Changi Business Park, the number of foreign PMETs is overwhelming.
    You may see the infamous Ramesh there, sorry he is a Singaporean now, but he cannot hide his accent.
    I have never been inside MBS or Sentosa casinos, but I do not know the foreign, PR, Singaporean employees ratio, but I know PAP and the casinos have created jobs for toilet janitors for Singaporeans.
    Our young male citizens serve NS to protect the rich assets, nice houses, nice buildings.
    Our old folks do cleaning jobs to keep the places clean.
    When it comes to stats, all cleaning jobs, delivery jobs are jobs created, full time employment.
    When it comes to salary, pay rise, these jobs are excluded.
    We need accurate stats and numbers so the people can check on the government to do the right thing.
    Certainly not what the aspired to be PM CCS saying to the effect “trust us, what is the point of making the info public, dont be divisive, practise “constructive” politics (like we sue or POFMA Opposition)”.
    Did our Lui Tuck Yew, now ambassador to China, giving a flimsy reply in a GE campaign when asked what he could do for the resident if elected? Trust him, and we got MRT breakdowns every now and then. Khaw is better, he lumps the numbers of old lines and new lines and get “beautiful” stats, delisted SMRT, pouring billions into the MRT operators.
    PAP said no GST increase in GE2015, after they won 70%, GST is going to increase. Trust PAP again?
    Unfortunately, the 70%, not unlike the North Koreans, give absolute power to PAP.
    Sad, very sad.

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  • Do your job properly, ok?:

    This kee chiu clown early early didn’t want to answer a simple answer.

    After getting humtum from netizens, kee chiu kwai kwai quickly throws up some numbers.

    Even then, not sure to believe or not.

    Still suspect his words as the numbers are not complete picture.

    What do you think?

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  • Harder Truths:

    “There are three kinds of lies…lies, damned lies and statistics.”
    Sir Charles Dilke 1891

    ‘There are three kinds of liars…liars, damned liars and experts”
    TJ Huxley 1885

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  • Flabbergasted:

    That’s why the judiciary and CPIB needs to be independent.

    Also several others, like elections department, civil service and many more.

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  • AristoCATs - art of Non-Answer:

    > “Why did he report only on total jobs created between 2015 and 2018?”
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    Selective Disclosure.
    to ensure they look good.
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    Many are not aware that the AristoCATs master the art of non-Answer. . .
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    MarkTwain – “Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics.”
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    Remember the Ballot Box !

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  • old boy:

    Do your job properly, ok?:
    This kee chiu clown early early didn’t want to answer a simple answer.

    After getting humtum from netizens, kee chiu kwai kwai quickly throws up some numbers.

    Even then, not sure to believe or not.

    Still suspect his words as the numbers are not complete picture.

    What do you think?

    When it is not said in Parliment over sworn statements and recorded down for records… cannot be trusted

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  • A system based on BELIEVING:

    Any govt can make claims.
    But how can we know if it’s true or accurate if no independent audit is done?

    For example, a singkee would want receipt to show proof of purchase. But in this case there is no receipt shown , just a verbal answer. And singkee accept?

    Our intelligence is really insulted thru this behavior of this character.

    Have Singaporeans insulted their own intelligence ?

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  • Religious Belief:

    Non-secular stuff we have to base on Believing as no God has been scientifically proven to exist. This does not mean God does not exist. God may exist. Fact remains it’s a Belief.

    For Secular stuff like govt data, we need to question else one day can be fooled by a rogue govt.

    Singaporeans very funny.
    In the office, they demand evidence , proof, audit reports, investigation reports, empirical evidence, receipts, transaction records even for little things like groceries.

    But when it cums to their gabramen, their brains suddenly become senile.

    Or is it because they are TIMID ?

    The 70% should be intellectually honest and show their conscience.

    Dont insult our intelligence.
    You die is ok. But please stop dragging us the 30% thru the shit with you .

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  • Bapak:

    While some foreigners are in jobs with higher positions and better pay than local employees, the latter group is taking over these jobs over time.
    ===================================================================== k

    There was these SG companies employed all Singaporeans, did very well. Boss decided to cash-in, sold the company to overseas buyers.

    You know what? All SGs were replaced by their own people. Jobless.

    So, this MF goes by theory.

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  • What is Truth?:

    Do you have IQ ?
    Then i ask you to define what is meant by the Truth.
    What is a fact?
    Is a fact a claim made by someone?
    Is a fact something that came out of the orifice of someone?

    Simple questions. Surely a person with IQ can easily answer this question?
    Or you cannot even answer this? Product of education system?

    So why does the 70% condone this opacity?what is real? What is the REALity of the 70%?
    Are they really so low IQ?

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  • TruBlu:

    To tell or not to tell?
    That is the BOLLION $ Question!

    If we tell,then,WE WILL KENA POFMA AS WE HAVE BEEN LYING ALL THE WHILE?

    Eh,better not tell lah.
    Afterall,70 pct SHEEPLE are ok with it???

    Sgs are so daft;the ONLY THING they are good at is BASHING THEIR OWN COUNTRYMEN???!!!

    GO CHECK YOURSELF,dont just take my words for .

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  • Is 70% Real?:

    But if 70% dafts.
    Why would mnc hire?
    Can singkees compete on level playing field with foreigners ?

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  • ZERO TOLERANCE:

    The Oppo asked the bloody Minister to clarify.

    The bloody ungrateful Minister replied confidently that he could provide the answers, but asked in return for the purpose of showing the numbers.

    Bloody Ungrateful Minister, YOU forgot that YOU were VOTED by SINGAPOREANS. YOU damn well am ANSWERABLE TO ALL SINGAPOREANS including those who did not vote for you. You can say anything you like in or out of Parliament, BUT, you have to substantiate and proof what YOU say.

    The Oppo in Parliament himself is NOT only an Oppo Party himself. He represents the People Of Singapore who voted as well as those who did not vote for him.

    He (Oppo), IS ALSO A SINGAPOREAN!!!

    SO, MILLION DOLLAR MINISTER, STOP YOUR ARROGANCE, WAKE UP YOUR IDEAS AND START SERVING THE PEOPLE OF SINGAPORE.

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  • Went to Japan:

    More than 100,000 new citizens, 32,000 PRs, only 60,000 jobs; so it means 40,000 – 50,000 locals would be or maybe replaced by foreigners.

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  • Deadly:

    The lies and distortions were carried out for a long time from deadly to Pinkly.

    If 69.9% Sinkies have not woke yet, Sinkiland will continue to sink!

    A good civil service should work in tandem with the politicians but an excellent civil service should be able to filter out all the bad faiths and falsehood spin by the politicians. Herein lies the truth! It is important for the head of civil service and the judicature to be independent. We cannot have x members running the judiciary?

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  • REGIME CHANGE is the solution:

    Statistics released by PAP are suspect because they can also be used to mislead. I do not trust the PAP.

    The only way Singaporeans will know the WHOLE truth is to vote for REGIME CHANGE. It is that simple. VTO.

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  • khaw boon huan is Msian:

    if pap bugs bunny kee chiu chan chun sing knows what he is saying, Spore probably wouldn’t be so bad as it is NOW.

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  • NotMyProblem:

    HSK low profile now?:
    Is it just me or is it HSK has been lying low?

    Busy with some upcummimg activity?

    Stroke?

    No. He is busy consolidating those suggestions from the “public” on Budget 2020.

    He needs to incorporate those hypnotizing words like “rebate”, “subsidy”, “voucher” in Budget 2020, in order to cover words like “levy”, “increase fee”, “GST increase”, “tariff”.

    BTW, “public” includes people from RC, CCC, PA, and supporters, only!

    Unless I am paid million$, you think I want to make any suggestion, for someone to make million$.

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  • NotMyProblem:

    A system based on BELIEVING:
    Any govt can make claims.
    But how can we know if it’s true or accurate if no independent audit is done?

    For example, a singkee would want receipt to show proof of purchase. But in this case there is no receipt shown , just a verbal answer. And singkee accept?

    Our intelligence is really insulted thru this behavior of this character.

    Have Singaporeans insulted their own intelligence ?

    Hi, you forgotten about POFMA?

    POFMA allows Ministers to lie. Don’t ever forget that!!

    “Have Singaporeans insulted their own intelligence?” Yes, definitely 69.9%.

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  • Similarities Trump v PAP:

    As Trump fate, facing historical Potus impeachment, rolls on, it becomes increasingly looking like a preview of what will be happening if
    [looks like a big if cos Compliany bureaucracy as alleged by LHYnLWL, LKY remaining children n uncontested in Court of Laws n as proclaimed together by LKY, GCT n LHL will be true unless the three PMs one dead but two r remaining r busing to Singaporeans’ but LKY certainly will have to rise from death a he warned before he died if his daft Singaporeans were made by his DHS to have been bsing, ehat an intolerable humiliation AD! Surely his daft Singaporean supporters cannot take this, esp coming from his DHS, sitting down.]
    PAP is totally KO or reduced to sit on the opposition bench becos the Compliant bureaucrats, essentially succumbed to PAP will be characteristically spwifted to be mess slaughtering force against the force that bllackmailed, threatened, eroding their professionalism n human values till they aren’t even comparable to the beast as the Chinese would asy pigs n dogs n reducing them to walking corpse. Then we will see as previewed by Trump’s impeachment saga. Interestingly the similarities stretch from GOP v PAP. Trump’s American supporters v LKY’s daft Singaporean supporter, Giuliani, Trump’s personal lawyer v LHL’s personal lawyer, Trump’s AG Barr v SIN AG, Fox news v CNA+ST n the list goes on.

    As Mahathir outlives LKY, fortunately for M he didn’t accept the generous offer of LKY to introduce his idolic Harvard medic otherwise he would be continuing to cross sword plus insidious trumpy vocab with L iconic hellish rage), n as cliche goes, he has the last laugh n seeing L’s humiliation from his DNS n the ludicrous idicy of dying to go down in history of his DNS which indeed he did for the historical mockery of blackmailed spending k$28++++ millions to entertain the world’s worst exposed liar extremo n a eogoistic nike mongering kid! Ya, L’s bigtime promise to his daft supporter that he will leave the best team after him but instead a cesspool of PSBs like Stupid Sin humkachan with Trump trait evidenced as claing jobs for sinkies vs threat that he has no problem to import his alien trash to replace Singaporeans including Sin Pmets, n JTeo talking abt punishing any employer for unfair employment of anyone at salary less than $15000 but effectively exposing her n her cesspool of colleagues to enslave singaporeans to their alien trash thereby the salary cap at $15000. As Trash claimed by Pelosi that Trump betrays US to Russian Putin, This sound familar to PAP betrays Singapore to the aliens, in particular India. similarity bangs on traitordom!

    So let similarity extends to Democrats v PAP political n citizens adversaries. Together boot PAP investigate n give them their own medicine, pants drop!

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  • Public Interest:

    I would consider Opposition Parliamentarians as CIVIL SERVANTS if not Public servants.

    This js why civil service must be Neutral Politically and be non-partisan because they are paid using tax monies collected from the public regardless of political affiliations.

    Being Public Servants, WP MP should have access to the data.

    Practically speaking, does any of you believe the senior ranking civil servants can really be Non-pro PAP and still get promoted ?

    A lawyer can argue it any side of the fence. But who cares about lawyers. We are talking from the heart using our conscience.

    Honest civil servants?
    Of course i will say yes they are. Do you expect me to say otherwise?

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  • Public Interest:

    I would consider Opposition Parliamentarians as CIVIL SERVANTS if not Public servants.

    This js why civil service must be Neutral Politically and be non-partisan because they are paid using tax monies collected from the public regardless of political affiliations.

    Being Public Servants, WP MP should have access to the data.

    Practically speaking, does any of you believe the senior ranking civil servants can really be Non-pro PAP and still get promoted ?

    A lawyer can argue it any side of the fence. But who cares about lawyers. We are talking from the heart using our conscience.

    Honest civil servants?
    Of course i will say yes they are. Do you expect me to say otherwise?

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  • Existentialist deception....:

    There’s this thing called statistics produced by statisticians – & used, fixed and abused by stealthy politicians.

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  • REGIME CHANGE is the solution:

    With regime change, ALL of your questions will be answered. You will know the WHOLE truth. VTO (and tell your family members and friends to do the same).

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  • Gov arbiter of truth?:

    Does the Constitution say whatever govt says is the truth and can only be unquestionable truth?

    Are Singaporeans dafts or have they ever questioned any of the statistic that gov claims is the truth?

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  • N.Jungne:

    Other than Ikan-U, the rest must use Google Translate. The translation of 4G people cannot be done, no reason given.

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  • REGIME CHANGE is the solution:

    Straits Times: As PAP’s 4G faces upcoming GE, Chan Chun Sing says his vision for Singapore is to ‘defy the odds of history’

    Singaporeans’ vision should be simpler and more doable. Regime change in Singapore just like in Malaysia. Get rid of the pro-alien and “spent force” PAP. Bury it with LKY. Singaporeans are worse off since LHL became PM.

    The next GE is payback time which was “postponed” in 2015 because of LKY’s death. Singaporeans have thanked LKY by voting for PAP in 2015. No need to pay him again. In 2020 it is time payback time for LHL for the hardships he caused LHL since he took over as PM.

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  • 70% accomplice or dafts?:

    Are 70% Singaporeans dafts ?
    If not, are they Intentionally intellectually dishonest?
    If not, are they TIMID ?

    Either way, means sg HAS NO FUTURE !

    SG could have been much better if not for these.

    Constraining sg to allow only that single party to rule has denied singapore competition that leads to much better SG.

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  • Work In Uni:

    I work in Uni. Totally RIDICULOUS number of IMMIGRANTS in IT by DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!

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  • Build local Lives and talent:

    Need better policy to build up more middle class ie push up the bottom 60%.
    Now many fall between the cracks with high costs of living and low wages from underemployment affecting much previous middle-class family.
    Billions should be poured into building up local talent and not companies like Grab, WeWork, Uber , GoJek etc.
    Or else we will build an automated mask factory in 6 days and a hospital in 2 weeks.

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