Whether a Statement is True or False Cannot be ‘Based on the Minister’s Interpretation’

The Straits Times reported Deputy AG Hri Kumar who is representing Manpower Minister Josephine Teo in the POFMA issue saying:

“the minister who initiates a Pofma direction will look at the article or statement in question and determine what he believes to be its meaning. A correction direction can then be issued based on the minister’s interpretation.”

Mr Kumar revealed this shocking government stand in the closed-door hearing in court on Thursday and Friday.

The MOM had accused the SDP of making false statements of fact in three of its posts.

But false statements of facts must be clearly false, the SDP argued. Dr Chee Soon Juan gave the example of someone saying that the earth is flat. “You don’t need the ‘minister’s interpretation’ or what she ‘believes’ to show or in her ‘opinion’ that the earth is spherical, not flat.

He also cited a real example given by Law Minister K Shanmugam of a website saying that a building roof had collapsed in Punggol in 2016 when no such incident had taken place.

The report was a false statement of fact. It was indisputable that no roof had collapsed; everyone could agree that the report was false. It didn’t need the Minister’s opinion or interpretation of the statement.

In the present case, the MOM insisted that the SDP had said that there was an increase in local PMET retrenchment.

“There is no rising trend of retrenchment, whether amongst PMETs or otherwise,” the MOM said. However, it showed only data from 2015-2018.

MOM’s own figures show that overall retrenchment as well as that among PMETs had actually risen from 2010-2018.

But Mr Kumar countered that a “reasonable reader would understand the SDP’s statement to mean that the increase in retrenched Singaporean PMETs is a current or recent situation.”

Dr Chee asked in court “Who is the ‘reasonable’ reader and who decides what is ‘current’ or ‘recent’?” When you have to resort to using subjective terms like these, how does one categorically state that the SDP has made a false statement of fact?

Whether a statement is true or false can be determined objectively and without question. It cannot be “based on the minister’s interpretation”.

Parties will make written submissions by next Wednesday, 22 January and the judge will render his verdict thereafter.

 

Singapore Democrats

 

 

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54 Responses to “Whether a Statement is True or False Cannot be ‘Based on the Minister’s Interpretation’”

  • patriot of TUMASIK:

    When Beholden dogs are CONfused bring in the Pigs who once walked with Four but now Two…the dogs will remain to Bark or Attack on COMMAND!!!

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  • I'm halimah jiak Liao bee:

    So a PAPIGS Minister becomes the Judge and Jury, and her interpretation of a statement has to be taken as the verdict.
    WTF !!!

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  • My Interpretation:

    My interpretation is SDP Won. Well, they can lose the battle [this case in court], but they will Win in the coming Election.

    My interpretation is the Government is not sincere and has direct interests in not reviewing the true unemployment situation of Singaporeans as it will seriously affect their votes in coming election. [260,000 population growth vs only 60,000 new jobs over the same period].

    My interpretation is Change is Utmost Necessary for Singapore.

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  • WakeupSG:

    When MOM only publish selective data in their favour or ministers present half truths they are guilty of giving fake info!

    With POFMA vs opposition & ministers giving fake info in this controlled state, the people will not know the truths!

    Cast your vote wisely!

    The choice is in our hands at the coming GE2020!

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  • NotMyProblem:

    POFMA main objective is to protect Ministers’ lie. Whatever lie is final and taken as truth.

    No body can argue 4=5, Indian is Malay, within is not inside.

    These lie can only be made by Ministers, if anyone repeat this lie will be POFMAed. If Minister said this earth is flat, it is flat. But if you said the Minister said it is flat, you could be POFMAed, because interpretation of “flat” is different.

    People, please learn fast to avoid being POFMAed without knowing why!!

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  • I agree with SDP that a statement of fact should NOT be subjected to a “Minister’s opinion or interpretation”, it has to be verifiable, can be factually collaborated and has to be irrefutably correct.

    Opinions are not facts, nor are interpretations. Both are subject to bias.

    I may like irrumatio but the minister simply loves to be bukkakke, so does that mean that if I write an article on how I love irrumatio, then I can be POFMAed simply because in the minister’s experience and preference, she prefers bukakke?

    I may like having sex in a King-Sized bed because I love 3some but the minister may be conservative and prefers sex in a closet, so if I praise sex in a big space, then I can be POFMAed?

    Splendid logic, no wonder these idiots are paid millions! lol

    .

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  • oxygen:

    THE MINISTER IS ALSO A SERVANT OF THE CROWN/STATE, his or her interpretation CANNOT AND MUST NOT BE THE LAW of his/her interpretation and dictation. Otherwise, the Minister is above the law contrary to the Constitution.

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  • Ah neh way:

    Said many times the grade of ppl in there running the show will make the old man turned . This Hri had too much ghost honey that he cannot read the law and now he is the law / making it up as he goes . This group of laughables lack substances .. swee swee Lim protégées has just as much mud as he had in her cranials . Hri ah neh is same same like witch hunter Nancy polesi who ate too much tody.. a bunch of Boy Scouts leading the brain washed and the. 70 % sheep’s ..so much shitting Beyond comprehension

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  • @Ah neh way

    Actually to be fair to Hri, I heard from local lawyer friends that Hri is a sibei good lawyer.

    IMHO, if there is anyone to be blamed, it should be that sex-in-small-space Sexpert acting spoilt refusing to acknowledge her mistake in the POFMA that started it all.

    Hri being the new kid on the block and dying for performance therefore has to suck it all up and impress, so was forced in hand to make law in his argument.

    Like one reader here commented, if Sexpert can win the case, then there will be no further need for judges in cases like these because a Millister will always be right based on her opinion and interpretation.

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  • Asd:

    If the law allow only MP to beat the red light when driving then you go court to contest will lose ma bcos its according to the law… you know what I mean ?

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  • Uncle Lim:

    PAP Ministers are like the priesthood in medieval and ancient times who believed that only they held the key to the truth.

    Those who claimed that the earth was round and that it revolved round the sun were burned at the stakes. Only their interpretation of the universe was correct.

    IN addition, the anti fake news law is consistent with the clown’s vow to fix the opposition.

    Vote the clown out from AMK GRC and SG will see a new dawn, guaranteed.

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  • Uncle Lim:

    That’s why PAP said that as long as you’re accepted by the Malay community you can be accepted as a Malay (their interpretation)

    Might as well do away with the justice system since our Ministers know what is right and what is wrong.

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  • Bapak:

    This POFMA is better than IP Man 4. Box office guaranteed.

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  • Bapak:

    SG under PAP is not far from total dictatorship.

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  • Flickshit:

    PAP Ministers don;t tell lies ??? Are you sure ? Are they GOD or deity?

    So talking cock can also be telling lies and issue fake news ?? So they are immoral and can do whatever they like or want.

    What sort of animals are they “” Humaniods….or SATANIST !!

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  • Mr Prostate will cheat:

    Has the 70% Insulted their own intelligence or just willing accomplice?

    Religious upbringing?
    Intellectual honesty?

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  • Minister Is God:

    Don’t argue anymore. Confirmed Minister is God. Just Vote the PAP Out period.

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  • TellTheTruthShameTheDevil:

    Thats why our parents taught us not to tell lies..cuz in time no one will believe us and we’d have to tell more lies to cover up or justify the 1st lie..
    What a right mess our inept SGov keeps getting themselves into these days.
    Not surprised.

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  • Asd:
    If the law allow only MP to beat the red light when driving then you go court to contest will lose ma bcos its according to the law… you know what I mean ?

    Yes yes, the minister will claim that in her interpretation, the traffic light beat her, not the other way round. lol

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  • Powerful & Unenlightened:

    Though age from folly could not give me freedom, age does (bestow freedom) from childishness.

    Now show yourselves (to be) men; ’tis for liberty (sake).

    - William Shakespeare

    *a damn childish episode of sophistry unbecoming of schooled meritocrats.

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  • Matthew:

    I worry for Singapore and those that stand in the court rooms with a such a calibre of the Deputy AG.who is next in line for the AG post.
    It shows how he tries to twist and turn to suit his masters and not being independent at all.

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  • TruBlu:

    Is grassrooter same as gra$$LOOTer,for example?
    POFMA PROYECTS REPEAT LIARS N PUNISH PUBLIC CRITICS?

    IS IT A REAL law?

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  • INSIDE 200m is not within 200m:

    that pap Cb joe tiu is wrong is clear as day.

    just like when pap clown and wooden goh and jiak liao bee tony tan broke the law, then pap AGC twisted the England to state, INSIDE 200m is not within 200m.

    now that joe tiu is caught needing a bigger space to ffff, aka made a seriously real mistake in her estimation, current dy AGC is twisting the sense of natural to say, the ACCUSED must prove innocence.

    if that is the case, every 30% OPPO folks can accuse pap clown of stealing money via appointment of wife to publicly owned temasick at S$m wage when she ain’t worth more than S$3,500 pm. if pap clown disagrees, pap clown must prove innocence, inter alia, showing how much he is paying his wife in temasick and at the time she was appointed how come no other human is better suited to that role, and many more such proofs. if pap clown refuses to provide proof of innocence, as the accused, the accusation then becomes valid.

    pap cannot say accused to prove applies only to SDP case and not to anything else. since the law now says, the accuser can accuse anything and it is up to the accused to provide proof.

    truly, INSIDE 200m is not within 200m is already wrong. made NOW more wrong by saying the accused must prove innocence.

    Spore under pap is now not only dying but truly lying and worse than any 4th world African despotic nation.

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  • A Dictatorship:

    When the dictator says it’s true, then it’s true.
    When he or she says it’s not, then it’s not.

    Unlike what some wish to believe, Singapore is not a democractic society.
    The western democracies have never recognized Singapore as one.
    It is important for sinkies to know this, in order to have a good sense of how effective is their civil action.

    Some Tommie might argue that we have a one man one vote system, but failed to point out that this forms only part of the criteria.
    An independent judiciary system needs to exist as well.
    Not just that, a free media and absolute respect of individual freedom of speech and rights need to exist as well..

    Once a good idea of reality exists, then one will have a good guess of the effectiveness of any civil discourse.

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  • Robin:

    Many voted PAP thinking they’d be somehow spared.

    But many of them have lost their jobs and have to be food deliverers and Grab drivers.

    Those Pioneer generation who are out of touch with reality continue to say PAP is HO (good) and vote PAP.

    Our instinct is to sympathise with these people.

    But I say NO.

    They all deserve their fate.

    You get who you vote for.

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  • Robin:

    There are many fine and upright people, highly educated, but who refuse to be part of PAP as they see it as a despotic party.

    But there’re some who are prepared to ditch their principles and beliefs.

    They’re willing to be a doggie to be patted and when asked to jump they jump, asked to lie down they obey. Any ridiculous command they obey.

    ALL FOR MONEY AND POSITION.

    Shame on them.

    Wonder how they can look their children in the eyes and truthfully say “I’m not a slave to anyone.”

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  • JUST VOTE SDP:

    Spineless PAP justices.
    They are put there to uphold justice for prince & pauper, but their spines got cracked by that “you-know-who”.
    So now justice is bend and twisted any which way.
    How despicable. Im ashamed to be a SG in times like this.

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  • Harder Truths:

    In the real world (not the made-up Famileeland), POFMA is made up to enforce the ridiculous view of the elites that whatever they say is true and everyone else is lying – and will be punished for it.

    End of story.

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  • NotMyProblem:

    Bapak:
    SG under PAP is not far from total dictatorship.

    We are actually around the corner of dictatorship.

    In the coming GE, if Singaporeans still cannot make the correct turn, Singapore will be under a dictator. And the 4G PM will only be a puppet.

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  • N.Jungne:

    POFMA is “yen-chew” (drink and smoke) time

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  • Truth hurts:

    So tan goon j*n* interpreted that elderly picking cardboards are doing exercise, then it must be true.

    Don’t you dare say that they need to earn more money. Otherwise kenan Pofkima

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  • 新加坡有前途吗?:

    The FUTURE of a country lies with the Young.

    But are our citiens DAFT?

    UNQUESTIONING OF PAP?

    SMLJ also accept unquestioningly?
    Base not on audited truth but claims made by MIW ?

    With a Super Majority of 70%,
    Is there a future for singapore?

    They first need a 101 master class on what us Truth, Fact and Claims.

    When a leader say there is no problem, its a claim unless there is full independent audit done to prove this is so.

    Remember, Naji.b also made lots of claims.
    And what happens when PH took over a can of worms ?

    I have sent my kids overseas even for kindergarten education.

    If you believe shit can taste good, you will eat shit.

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  • secrets and ROi:

    It is clear as day dear readers, PAP has too much shit to hide, and we are one step closer to the collapse of the mini-lee empire.

    This farce reminded me of Galileo Galilei and the church with regards to the Sun and Earth. Maintain power at all cost!

    My only rue would be the effing waste of $$ and time in not achieving anything outstanding, but only to maintain the power structure for the private benefits of the few. If only the old man LKY hadn’t been so insular in keeping his power within his chosen circle, and be daringly different from the many historical examples of leaders wasting their influence and hold for themselves.

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  • Dr Tan Tai Wei:

    So it shows up in court that the dispute is really, not about what facts are true or false, but about whether the more significant period, as covered by some undisputed statistics indicating retrenchment or unemployment trends, is that taken by Minister or SDP. Is the longer term trend referred by SDP, or the shorter term, more “current” trend Minister prefers, more or less significant? But that’s an issue for dialogue, which Minister of a government wanting citizens to be committed and participate should encourage!

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  • Asd:

    I think its unreasonable and unbelievable that educated people are like that

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  • Farkmoogum:

    The 70% must learn fast that PAP is not Singapore and PAP does not have the right to own Singapore. The Constitution does not say PAP is the only ruling party of Singapore forever.

    Who is the Servant and who is the Master?
    Let’s remind ourselves.

    For SG to Progress well, the ruling party must not be fixed as PAP only. There must be Democracy in sg politics.

    It’s like competition brings out the best. One party dominance will not bring out the best possible.

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  • Rinpoche:

    Likewise, unemployment being such a broad term, Any unqualified and unspecified ‘Data’ used in forming any arguments or results are by itself “flawed”. Example no one knows the constituents and the makeup of what the Data encompasses. Does it includes those unemployed for extended length of time, those resigned or those forced to resign. Any responsible government would quickly clarifies its citizen doubts on the unqualified data sub-sets used in the analysis. It can therefore rightfully resulted in people seeing the government as insincere and using Selective Data to manipulate the people away from the truths. Hence, I am terrible disappointed with the 3G/4G as they continued to fail to be seen convincing. Example, if the data only encompass houses in Orchard Road, then it would seems that everyone is rich, but if the data includes all of Singapore, then the view will be drastically not the same.

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  • NotMyProblem:

    Farkmoogum:
    ….

    For SG to Progress well, the ruling party must not be fixed as PAP only. There must be Democracy in sg politics.

    It’s like competition brings out the best. One party dominance will not bring out the best possible.

    In Hong Kong, her youth knew exactly what would happened when “one country, two systems” expires after another 20 over years. When that happens, these youth will be all adults, having families and making a living, they know what would happens without democracy then.

    They are now fighting for their cause facing rubber bullets, police brutality, and injuries. They protest for their future.

    As for Singapore youths, their only concern is when the next iPhone will be launched. They depend on their parents all their lives. They don’t know what it would be without freedom and democracy.

    I belong to the pioneer generation, I have no eye to see what Singapore would becomes.

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  • You cannot win!:

    Head, they win and Tail, you lose!

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  • Gu Hei Doi #06-189:

    It’s so sad that it has to degenerate into this spectacle.

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  • Like dadt also can lah:

    Minister Is God:
    Don’t argue anymore. Confirmed Minister is God. Just Vote the PAP Out period.

    So we must trust all the Ministers and let them manipulate with our fates is it? Currently no one could conclude that MOM is not genuine to help Singaporeans until they show the full set of statics requested by SDP and Singaporeans. Does anyone here know that ICA requires all Singaporeans to re-register their NRIC before their 56th birthday with a fee of $10 (after gov. subsidy). Please share your experience because alot of scams going on in Singapore.

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  • LHY/LWL alleged CB confirmed:

    AGC d AGO r loaded beyond doubts stenched with illegality, what then is . Must as well get president to be chief justice n pm the chief commissioner of police n declare outright Singapore as dynasty n do away with wayang democracy.
    Full of cowardw n fakes. CJ dumb over ministers taking lver judge role. Complint bureaucracy is too kindly worded effectively most despicable n greedy cesspool of human scums.

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  • Punks And Poo:

    LKY left behind punks and poos for Singaporeans to exterminated n cleaned out. Amos has been proven right. So right that the liar arose with his woman via the son n daughter to condemn his glorillaised imbecile DHS.

    Reliable legal community has it that they came not for the daft Singaporeans but to destroy the cesspool he left behind for not honoring his will for his desired sucession by his designated son n Harvard Professor. Note compliant bureaucracy n dynasty. LKY wants not little scumy glorilla to succeed him as curator of pap n cb buy glorrilla defied n ed her little glorilla to succeed the nfg imbercile. Harvard has gribbed KY second to GB Queenie n it is him he wanted to be 4th PM of PAP SIN.

    Ha ha ha, eveil begets evil. He should have got little peanut to be his extended seat warmer instead of the nfi dhs. ho ho ho down the dark chimney. Bet lao lee will next haunt the dhs n gorilla den. wow that will be fun.

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  • REGIME CHANGE is the solution:

    Another compelling reason for REGIME CHANGE.

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  • Honest Sperm man:

    Looks let sg future is bleak when our youths do not even know what are the political flaws of pap unlike youths of Taiwan etc. Our youths are masterbedding daily and more concerned about a small zit on their cheek than politics and how sorry it is affecting them. CPF flaws and Retirement issues are somethings they never think about.

    I conclude SG FUTURE is worse than Bleak.

    The citizens are even uncompetitive against foreigners.

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  • Change We Must:

    Very sad for Singapore. Singapore ministers also double as judges, please save our money and dismiss all the judges.

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  • 70% wants One Party rule?:

    A Dictatorship:
    When the dictator says it’s true, then it’s true.
    When he or she says it’s not, then it’s not.

    Unlike what some wish to believe, Singapore is not a democractic society.
    The western democracies have never recognized Singapore as one.
    It is important for sinkies to know this, in order to have a good sense of how effective is their civil action.

    Some Tommie might argue that we have a one man one vote system, but failed to point out that this forms only part of the criteria.
    An independent judiciary system needs to exist as well.
    Not just that, a free media and absolute respect of individual freedom of speech and rights need to exist as well..

    Once a good idea of reality exists, then one will have a good guess of the effectiveness of any civil discourse.

    This Trade War is also a Turning point for Singapore to either remain a pseudo democracy or move closer towards a China Political model.

    My view and assessment has always been that Singapore is a extremely RELUCTANT DEMOCRACY. Everyone knows Singapore is using rules and laws to deal with political dissent. So much so, we are perplexed why they have not yet abolished elections even though wp is powerless to stop any Constitution change and it’s highly likely the 70% , mainly Chinese and many new citizens from China , some Indians and some Malays, would go along with it.

    Is it because big brother USA would not be happy ? Does sg depend on USA for weapons for military survival? Bought so many fighter jets? Does our airspace have room for so many? Of course we should say this is not protection money.

    So why did LKY allowed elections but the world perceives a reluctant democracy?

    Are we surrounded by Muslim countries?

    If not for USA, would at today be a China non-electoral system already?

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  • PAP CLOSE DOWN:

    I take it to mean that all along, Spore has been a benign dictatorship, dressed up as a democracy. Fooled lots of people.

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    NotMyProblem: We are actually around the corner of dictatorship.

    In the coming GE, if Singaporeans still cannot make the correct turn, Singapore will be under a dictator. And the 4G PM will only be a puppet.

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  • ShamYewCum:

    Given the assumption that they never lost and always gained landslide victories for 53 years in a row, why are they still perceived to be so INSECURE and AFRAID OF LOSING POWER ?

    Why is it the 70% is not enough confidence booster? We all know this 70% exist and the elections have never been rigged right?

    Right? I mean am I right? Erm…. Hello….Anyone home?

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  • KaKeeNang:

    Is he not ex-papig MP and AG is pinkie former pesonal lawyer.
    All in the family?
    George Orwell 1984 Ministry of Truth sprouted in Sinkieland and North Korea but no where else–thanks to idiotic 70%.

    Matthew:
    I worry for Singapore and those that stand in the court rooms with a such a calibre of the Deputy AG.who is next in line for the AG post.
    It shows how he tries to twist and turn to suit his masters and not being independent at all.

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  • Con you:

    Man make gods.

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  • Rinpoche:

    I am an ordinary Singaporean. So my perception must be right over Nair. Considering 260,000 population growth and only 60,000 jobs created over the same period. Common sense says basing on the numbers, obviously many local bred Singaporeans would have been displaced and many would be out of jobs. That must be the basis of what SDP said as true and cannot be considered as willful falsehoods out to manipulate the People in any way. Unless the government can show a different number, otherwise wouldn’t they gracefully accept the critics comments and with appreciation?

    It’s either Real or it’s either false. If the government is concerned with a subset of people not being able to read properly, maybe they can set up special educational classes for these people, but POFMA cannot be allowed to be abused based on ‘subsets’ used as lame arguments.

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  • ROBIN:

    POFMA is getting more and more ridiculous.

    Ministers are weaponising it to fix dissenting voices (their million $ salaries at stake).

    Now even a Msian website is being POFMA.

    Dr M was right when he said that anti fake laws can be abused.

    Singapore authorities are POFMA everything they dislike. Soon like ST, one day nobody believes them anymore if they keep crying WOLF all the time.

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  • Referendum #1:

    If Sir Raffle is still around, he’d have exterminate all these indian fags at close range for stirring up so much conflicts in Asia.

    Canton people, you cannot use indians to run your government. indian men are violent because lots of them are bisexual wife-beating faggots, tell your canton lawyer wives to stop supporting or fornincate with these roaches.

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