Was there a together 10 million population plan?

Was there a together 10 million Plan? Er… Heng Swee Kiat said there was no such plan. Vivian Balakrishnan accused the SDP of sprouting falsehoods in their 4Y 1N election campaign. Now that the heat of electioneering is doused, let us calmly attempt to understand the significance of the 10 million figure and its impact on Singapore society.

I remember back in the 2011 election, one of the issues that led to the PAP losing its highest vote share and consequently its first GRC was that Singaporeans felt overwhelmed by the deluge of foreigners in our population. The talk of Singapore losing its “Singaporean core” due to a society overran by new immigrants. Later, the government released Population White Paper on “A Sustainable Population for a Dynamic Singapore” in January 2013 that projected Singapore’s population to be 6.9 million by the year 2030. The White Paper roused deep displeasure and a rare mass rally was organised to protest against Singapore’s immigration plans. Organisers claimed that more than 7,000 people converged at Hong Lim Park to demonstrate. In the Parliamentary sitting when the White Paper was discussed, the Workers’ Party (the only opposition) proposed a “discount” but to no avail and the matter simmered.

Then in February 2017, Yeoh Lam Keong, former chief economist of the Government of Singapore Investment Corporation presented in a public forum, “Singapore Economy: Past, Present and Future Challenges”, his view on the immigration policy, labour forge growth and final population size. He noted that to achieve a normalised GDP growth of 2% and to meet the target of a population of 6.9 million, the Labour Forge Growth must be kept down to 1.5% from 3% to 3.5% in the early 2010s. (see graph presented). This was given that our productivity growth was low at 0.5% despite so many governmental future economic committees flogging the challenge of productivity. He further noted that the White Paper was incomplete as the world or Singapore would not end in 2030. Projecting further into the future, by 2050 at 1.5% Labour Forge Growth, Singapore’s population would be 10 million. With that kind of imminent population in 30 to 40 years’ time, he posed the question whether the future of Singapore society is the Switzerland Dream or Dubai Nightmare in the making.

2030 is now only 10 years away. The government has not given an update on the successes of the Future Economic Committee. It is no wonder that an urban planner like Liu Thai Ker would talk about preparing society for 10 million. Therefore it was disingenuous for Heng Swee Kiat and Vivian Balakrishnan to have said that there was never a 10 million plan unless they had not been included in the Population White Paper discussion.

 

* Facebook post by Tan Tee Seng.

 

 

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29 Responses to “Was there a together 10 million population plan?”

  • xoxo:

    SUSTAINABILITY IS A SPECTRUM; it is up to them to define?
    Sgs have NO SAY.

    STRAINS from OVER-CROWDING this City-state has already been showing like 5/10 years or so.
    A clear-cut example is rising UNDER-EMPLOYMENT or even chronic JOBLESSNESS among TRU BLU LOCALS,not be confused with PRs.

    Train breakdowns.
    Hospital bes crunch.
    The lwvel of public littering can also be a GAUGE?

    ONLY DAFT SCHOLAR$ SEEK TO DENY?

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  • RDB:

    Aiyoh ah… Sg GaGament where got tell us citizens their whole truth but only their “hidden truth” to confuse us all yet again later lor!!! True or not as this is from our experience of their mouth pieces time and again… ONLY to tell us all again later that they this and that to then clarify what they had meant lor!!! Tioboh??? You all agree with these realities about them or not hah??? We all now sien or not hah lah???

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  • oxygen:

    ONE CANNOT MOUTH SOMETHING or put in print of a plan target, agenda and outcome IF IT DOES NOT EXIST in the mind prior,

    In death, the last organ that is alive is the brain. So ar*eholes can lie about anything except unprompted utterance from the mouth, worst of confirmation and substantiated evidence if uttered in a public forum platform.

    POFMA WAS A ROTTEN PIMP to have demanded CORRECTIONAL DIRECTION from those in the opposing side speaking the truths in actuality of a 10 million population target float balloon (but instead of accused by the establishment of fabricating and disseminating lies).

    NOTICE THAT THE 26 PAPpypolitic GRC BUNKER-LOVING inductees ALL DIAM DIAM DIAM, instead of barking up the establishment narrative/stance and risks getting ripped apart of lies peddling. They must know that the controversy is a life-bomb with the fuse lit – stay far far away of disinterest no awareness silence pretense is their only survival option.

    HYFLUX KNOWS THE TRUTH that the planning assumption in official qtr is at least 8 million despite PAPpypolitics denial that 6.9 million is not even on thoughts (which is contrary to its 2013 printed Population White Paper). And that awareness of Hyflux since 2011 left POFMA a COMPROMISED PIMP exposed.

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  • opposition dude:

    If you can see it for what it truly is then you are the smart one. This is yet another test balloon floated by PAP as an advance warning, they have done this on numerous occassions without you realising it.

    Some time back Goh Chok Tong out of the blue said PAP might force 10% of PRs to forefully convert. When the PRs made noise about it his press secretary answered on his behalf and said he was just talking only.

    Same for when they said the lockdown MIGHT be extended. Said it today and the very next day goondu himself gave a live confirmation of it.

    So with PAP, it’s always a test balloon to see what kind of reaction the public will give. It’s very subtle so you might not even realise it.

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  • wait n see it'll come..:

    to win GE everyone started denying that was the plan.
    now GE over n done, wait few months for the ‘about turns”why they must increase population..
    “for our own good”!!!
    we sgs never ever have a say.

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  • Protect Atas People:

    Liu Tiger says 10M.

    Ah Heng denied he got say 10M.

    Hyflux CEO OL was told by govt to prepare for 8M.

    ViviBala announced on TV debate that it won’t even hit 6.9M

    Writer Sudhir once calculated, native-born citizens are already in the minority, maybe lower than 45% of total population.

    As secretive as Ho Jinx salary, pap has everyone guessing.

    Actually ….. the rotten PAPayas have no target la. Every 5yrs after they’re returned to power, they’ll just keep increasing the population, increase naturalised citizens. If singaporeans continue to let them run the country, they’d simply continue to up sg population.

    So, whatever number we come up with will always be wrong. Bcoz simply put, pap doesn’t have a target at all! Their plan is to just increase, increase and increase the population. The sky’s the limit.

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  • hhh:

    Long time ago, some classmates in civil service went to NY to survey and came back and told us they were preparing 10M paper.

    Then came 6.9M and Khaw insisted its only planning parameter but our population has grown from 3.8M to 5.8M extra 2M from 1980s.

    The PAP said no GST in 2015 but after GE, they pushed and confirmed GST 9%.

    So people cannot take their words at hand, the denial and talk during GE was to pacify the voters and after that they will still do the same.

    Few points:
    1. PAP still insisted our doors to open for all foreigners to compete in all sectors.
    2. FTs arriving in Singapore and getting work passes never drop, instead it is going up or steady.
    3. Graves, forest, reclaiming more lands and underground making way for new estates ie Tengah, Bukit Brown etc…. already few size bigger than Ang Mo Kio.
    4. New citizens from Malaysia and Indonesia becoming politicians

    You cannot believe what they say or take their words, they have been untruthful for most of the things. Even Mdm H salary is state secret….

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  • hhh:

    Long time ago, some classmates in civil service went to NY to survey and came back and told us they were preparing 10M paper.

    Then came 6.9M and Khaw insisted its only planning parameter but our population has grown from 3.8M to 5.8M extra 2M from 1980s.

    The PAP said no GST in 2015 but after GE, they pushed and confirmed GST 9%.

    So people cannot take their words at hand, the denial and talk during GE was to pacify the voters and after that they will still do the same.

    Few points:
    1. PAP still insisted our doors to open for all foreigners to compete in all sectors.
    2. FTs arriving in Singapore and getting work passes never drop, instead it is going up or steady.
    3. Graves, forest, reclaiming more lands and underground making way for new estates ie Tengah, Bukit Brown etc…. already few size bigger than Ang Mo Kio.
    4. New citizens from Malaysia and Indonesia becoming politicians

    You cannot believe what they say or take their words, they have been untruthful for most of the things. Even Mdm H salary is state secret….

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  • Great Asia:

    Do you have any idea what is going on outside of Singapore?

    Did you know that Trump government is trying to force the Chinese to sell TikTok to a US company?

    PAP government, Singapore economy and society will collapse like a house of cards when Singapore’s population reaches 6.5 million.

    LEE is a shallow banana and he has a team of shallow angmoh worshipping monkeys to run the government.

    COVID-19 is going to change the world completely, there will be a new normal across the world.

    Like I have been saying for 15 years: the feudal lord blinded himself, then blinded PAP and Singaporeans.

    Don’t even think of 6 million population if you can’t provide job security for 50% of Singaporean PMETs and get HDB to build bigger and cheaper flats.

    Ha ha ha!

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  • 10.0m was a pap number:

    we are the moneyed ones, so we hardly bother whether sheep lives well or continues to produce cotton.

    yet we went to HLP to protest, twice, about the 6.9m and 10.0m.

    we protested not for sheep. we protested for ourselves because when we go to the malls, they were crowded. when we drive on the roads, they were crowded.

    due to this reducing quality of life for ourselves we protested.

    of course, we can live elsewhere since we have the means. but this island is our country. why should we leave it just because of someone voted into government by sheep has chosen to ruin it.

    so we went to HLP to protest, twice.

    did we come up with the 6.9m and 10.0m ourselves? No. They are pap numbers. both pap Heng and pap ah neh have lied.

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  • The Mendacity Inquisition:

    Will you swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth? – may God save us sheeples from tyrants.

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  • Hyflux:

    Didn’t hyflux exposed the news that the govt had requested the company to prepare for more populations in the future?

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  • Asd:

    I think good leh suckerporean voted for party who hide everything and direction of the country plus fill own pocket

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  • pap one lie after another:

    one lie to cover another lie.

    sooner or later even sheep producing cotton also starts to realize everything doesn’t make sense at all.

    INSIDE 200m is not within 200m.

    INDIAN is malay.

    population to be 10m 6.9m not even 5m.

    one lie after another. as sure as sunrise, one lie to cover another lie. good thing is, as sure as sunset, the lies accumulate and shall come back to weigh down all the pap liars.

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  • The young one:

    I’ve travelled on public transport in China many times.

    SG has become like a mini China in terms of packed buses and trains.

    It’s stressful to face the huge crowds daily.

    Ministers and top civil servants should travel like us then they will realise the enormity of the problem. Preaching from their ivory towers is proof they’re out of touch.

    Does Bala travel by public transport? Of course not.

    This is why many are toying with the idea of migration. My niece has migrated to a western country. Big house, two cars …you know the story.

    Their children face less stress in school. Less rote learning.

    If you say you see the cloud as a bull and then it suddenly changes to tree shape, PAP will say you’re guilty of a falsehood.

    I’ve had enough of PAP bullshit.

    As they say you can fool people some of the time, but not all the time.

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  • The young one:

    Already at 5.5 million, I find it unbearable.

    So 10 million is a nightmare.

    If we don’t protest PAP with its usual sneakiness will say silence means consent. If you bring it up like Dr Chee they accuse you like Bala of a falsehood.

    PAP never guilty of falsehoods? NEVER on CPF, COE, HDB, Swiss standard of living etc?

    People have lost trust in PAP.

    Out of the 61% who voted PAP I dare say at least 20-30% DONT trust PAP.

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  • HC salary secret:

    I think it is also not impossible that in future they cite another reason to do the 6,or 10millon. English allows countless ways to masturbae with it.

    Undiscerning goondoos condone HC salary secrecy.

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  • WeOredyKnowTheyreLiars:

    just like guessing ho ching’s salary.
    its not $100mil, who say so, hah? …its only $99mil , less than 100mil.
    so its ok?

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  • 61% sheep producing cotton:

    WeOredyKnowTheyreLiars:
    just like guessing ho ching’s salary.
    its not $100mil, who say so, hah? …its only $99mil , less than 100mil.
    so its ok?

    if really talent, then S$200m pa is ok.

    but this one at S$100m pa is nepotism and theft all thrown in.

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  • @ The young one:

    The young one … Thats a retro oldies song. Anyway tell it to great asia.

    @ Great Asia
    Thats between China and USA.
    Why bother and meddle?

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  • Asd:

    I think still have lots of people like to give blank cheque and no details of what is plan for or what where has the money gone etc these people are most likely to be ball carriers who will live to regret their action thought they are benefitting now

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  • Great Asia:

    @ The young one:
    The young one … Thats a retro oldies song. Anyway tell it to great asia.

    @ Great Asia
    Thats between China and USA.
    Why bother and meddle?

    Don’t be a shallow monkey, Singapore is already a collateral damage from this confrontation of the G2.

    Ha ha ha!

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  • Singapore 100th birthday:

    In 1990, our population is about 3 millions.
    In 2000, it is about 4 millions.
    In 2010, it is about 5 millions.
    In 2019, it is about 5.7 millions. Did the number include foreigners on tourist visit looking for jobs, Malaysians commuting here daily to work, legally or otherwise? How about relatives of PRs and newly converted citizens?
    PAP says 50 years from now, Sg will be even better than today. I wonder how PAP can come up with Sg centennial plan without a population number?
    Remember the shortage of housing, overcrowded MRT (still is) some time ago, the excuse PAP gave then is “we did not expect such a big population increase”.
    Sad to say, 61% believe it.

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  • NotMyProblem:

    The young one:
    Already at 5.5 million, I find it unbearable.

    So 10 million is a nightmare.

    If we don’t protest PAP with its usual sneakiness will say silence means consent. If you bring it up like Dr Chee they accuse you like Bala of a falsehood.

    PAP never guilty of falsehoods? NEVER on CPF, COE, HDB, Swiss standard of living etc?

    People have lost trust in PAP.

    Out of the 61% who voted PAP I dare say at least 20-30% DONT trust PAP.

    “Out of the 61% who voted PAP I dare say at least 20-30% DONT trust PAP.”

    @The young one; correction here, out of the 61%, 40% were new citizens!! These people do not care what falsehoods from the PAP. Singapore is not their country, even they hold the pick NRICs, there are here to steal Singaporeans’ breakfast, lunch and dinner with the help of PAP.

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  • New citizens are really stupid:

    NotMyProblem: “Out of the 61% who voted PAP I dare say at least 20-30% DONT trust PAP.”

    @The young one; correction here, out of the 61%, 40% were new citizens!! These people do not care what falsehoods from the PAP. Singapore is not their country, even they hold the pick NRICs, there are here to steal Singaporeans’ breakfast, lunch and dinner with the help of PAP.

    Foreigners who became new citizens are not “foreign talent”. They are actually stupid. Why? Because they voted for PAP. They do not seem to realize that after becoming “new” Singaporeans they are in the “same boat” as “true blue Singaporeans”. They will also be used and abused. They will also lose their job to “cheap” (no CPF) foreigners.

    If the new Singaporeans are smart they should have followed the lead of “street-smart”, “true blue” Singaporeans and vote against the PAP. Less support for PAP will result in better treatment of Singaporeans by the PAP-controlled government.

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  • Trust PAP - an oxymoron:

    Never believe PAP on anything. Why? Because it is not (and will never be) open and transparent. Also “plans” can always change. And PAP does not have to make public any change. Want proof? PM LHL changed policies that resulted in the massive influx of foreign workers in Singapore which resulted in massive job losses for Singaporean PMETs. PAP kept the change secret because it knew it was screwing Singaporeans. Woody Goh made this public during the campaigning fir GE 2011.

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  • Ai ya:

    The 10 million is not a target number lah, it is not in the plan, understand?
    PAP will pofma and may even sue anyone like it did to SDP and CSJ.
    9.9 million in the scenario planning in Year 2065 is not a target, it is just a number in a scenario, you understand English language or not, it is not 10 million, you pass your PSLE maths or not?

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  • Honourable Citizen:

    If I cannot convince you, I will confuse you. All these flowery terms like scenario planning, target number and so forth are used by slippery politicians to confuse the people to serve their personal interests.

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  • new additional buildings:

    //Was there a together 10 million population plan//

    aiyoh. now about 5.6m with existing buildings and infrastructure ?? and if you keep seeing new estate and more new buildings coming out, and old buildings being replaced even by taller building (10-to-16-floors buildings replaced by 30 or 40-floor buildings), anecdotally ? you know the wayang 6.9m or 10m is still on even if the white idiots say otherwise just to make daft sinkies shiok shiok ?? else who are these white monkey idiots going to house with all these new additional buildings ???

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