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One of vaccines chosen by the PAP govt is cheap but not that effective

(Breaking news at 5.35 am on 18 January 2021: Brazil has approved Sinovac’s CoronaVac.)

It also has not been submitted to the US, UK or EU authorities for approval.

Health Minister Gan Kim Yong said on Wednesday (13 January) that the Health Sciences Authority (HSA) will review the CoronaVac vaccine before rolling it out to public: i.e. giving it to the plebs.

Several countries, including Indonesia, Turkey, Thailand, M’sia and Singapore, have placed orders for the coronavirus vaccine (CoronaVac) developed by China’s Sinovac. It’s cheap compared to the ang moh vaccines approved for use in the West. It’s in use in China.

CoronaVac is found to be 50.4% effective in Brazilian clinical trials, according to the latest results released by researchers. It shows the vaccine is significantly less effective than previous data suggested – barely over the 50% needed for regulatory approval.

The two vaccines approved by the US, UK and EU are more than 90% effective, while the third (only approved in the UK) is 70%+ effective.

Coming back to Health Minister Gan Kim Yong’s assurance that the HSA will review the CoronaVac vaccine before rolling it out to the public, how is HSA going to review the vaccine?

This made-in-China vaccine has not been submitted to the US, UK or EU authorities for approval.

This means that are no Western phase 3 safety and efficacy trials (the Gold standard required by Western authorities before approval) and if there’s little data on efficacy, how will the HSA review the CoronaVac vaccine before rolling it out to the public?

Rely on what the Chinese and third world countries say?

In response to India’s Covid-19 vaccination: Do you feel lucky?, about an Indian vaccine approved for use despite not completing its phase 3 trials, a regular reader, a fat cat who was a medical doctor wrote

Singapore will also have our own version of “Do you feel lucky”.

By the time vaccination exercise starts for the general population, roughly 1/3 of the shots will be from Sinovac. Phase 3 trials from Brazil indicates 78%* efficacy for this cheena shot.

My friends in the healthcare biz have been getting their Pfizer-BioNTech shots since last week of Dec.

 

Cynical Investor

Cynical Investor blogs at Thoughts of a Cynical Investor

 

 

* This was written before the 50.8% finding.

 

 

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31 Responses to “One of vaccines chosen by the PAP govt is cheap but not that effective”

  • Merobok:

    All those countries using China-made Sinovac and Coronavac vaccine may get it cheap! But there is a catch……obligations to China.
    Remember China does not give away freebies but wants something in return. See how Sri Lanka had to part away their port because they cannot pay for the loans.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Dear CI,
    You said “Rely on what the Chinese and third world countries say?”
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    If you believe in the Chinese, you will believe that the Chinese own the moon because Chang er live there with a rabbit.

    Only idiots like Goh Meng Seng/Tan Kin Lian will trust the Chinese COVID19 vaccine.

    Money Talk Bullshit Walks

    GE2024.PAP.Guarantee.Win.HuatAgain

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Merobok:
    All those countries using China-made Sinovac and Coronavac vaccine may get it cheap! But there is a catch……obligations to China.
    Remember China does not give away freebies but wants something in return. See how Sri Lanka had to part away their port because they cannot pay for the loans.

    You are an idiot, no you are worst, brainless.

    Which country give away freebies without asking for returns ?

    Even religion nuts also don’t give away freebies.
    Yes, you get it free, but in return, you have to join their religion sect.

    Opposition supporters are stupid gullible fools. Always a gulliblecanon fodder for others to make use of and then gulliblediscarded.

    Money Talk Bullshit Walks

    GE2024.PAP.Guarantee.Win.HuatAgain

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  • Ganlinnei:

    View the world with predisposition?

    Who will suffer?

    The viewers themselves!

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  • Boh Kia See:

    You can bet that the elites will be using the top of the line British vaccine followed by the PAP hanger-ons. The rest will have to make do with the cheap vaccines that are not very effective. So long as it does not kill you, that will be all right.

    That is why they can give it to the foreign labourers for free–just to use up what they have paid.

    This class distinction between rich and powerful and the poor is always one factor in their policy decisions. Then there is the propaganda aspect. Taking the vaccination on TV and publicly –trying to show that it is safe. The only thing is that they are taking a different brand of vaccination not the cheap brand that is distributed. So what are they trying to proof? Only that the brand of vaccination they got was safe–nothing about the cheap brand of vaccination others will take.

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  • Vaccines:

    Elites and their loyal servants will be among the firsts in line to get the PfizerNBiotech or Moderna vaccines. There may not be any left when it comes to the rest of the population. People should refuse to allow themselves to be used as guinea pigs on vaccines that do not meet the “gold standard” of 94% efficacy. Make sure you are given the vaccines the elites are getting and not some cheapo vaccines that could put your life and long-term health at risk.

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  • Sama sama in Singapore!:

    Merobok:
    All those countries using China-made Sinovac and Coronavac vaccine may get it cheap! But there is a catch……obligations to China.
    Remember China does not give away freebies but wants something in return. See how Sri Lanka had to part away their port because they cannot pay for the loans.

    Same lah in Singapore. See how spore PUB took free of charge Tuaspring from the funds of hard earned retirees!

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  • Concern if jabbed Sinovac:

    The efficacy of Sinovac is about 50%. It is a huge risk given that there will be side effects and only 50% effective. How can govt force citizens to take the less effective jab. It is our life and we are responsible for our own life. Can we just pay ourselves for Pifer, the accepted vaccine with more than 95% efficacy? Even for Pifer, understand that the CEO for Pifer aged 59 himself has also yet to be vaccinated. If he is concerned, shouldnt the general public be even more concern?

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  • Too much western propaganda:

    You guys have been fed too much western media false accusations and propaganda against China. Western media haven been smearing China for decades and our straits times carry such news from Bloomberg, Reuters, AP, AFP without editing to make it neutral (maybe the editor is non Chinese Singaporean).

    Some of you might be pro HK/Taiwan independence, non Chinese who hate China out of jealousy, being misinformed and for whatever reasons.

    The US vaccine trial results were released by the company, while China ones were released by other countries- which one is more creditable? US vaccines is based in mRNA which is first time being used for vaccines in production for public consumption- no track records and the mid to long term side effects are not known. In Norway already about 29 aged 75 and above died after taking Pfizer, that’s about 1/1000 (of course Pfizer will say need further studies to ascertain it).

    China really wants to help but the same cannot be said about Pfizer and others who are basically keen to earn $ and rush to release it. When China still conducting phrase 3 trial and Pfizer already releasing it the west accuse China of non transparent, not releasing enough information s about the efficacy- wtf! China is diligently doing the trial not rushing to give incomplete data.

    You guys include CI should go China understand China. China nowadays produce cheap (compared to developed countries) and world class products (DJI, Huawei, BYD, etc).

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  • NotMyProblem:

    People, why worry about how many % efficacy of the vaccine, be it’s 10% or 90% efficacy, you still need to wear masks and exercise all the safe measures that is in practice now. You are protected by the masks and all those measures not by any one of those vaccines mentioned!

    In a way, even if the vaccines is just H2O, it makes no different. The mask is the eventual protection. The manufacturers are the ones benefited with all those caveats imposed by each country’s authority. Remember “the vaccines are no silver bullet”? Manufacturers take no responsibility! In short, “You die, your business”!

    People, you decide, if you are vaccinated you risk the side effects and even death. And it is not a sure protection as the authority said so!!

    So continue with the masks, it has protected you for the past year!!

    It makes no different if you are vaccinated or not. The authority wants you to continues wearing masks!! The authorities want to play it safe too, vaccines no guarantee but mask is sure.

    Anyway your money already spent in purchase of the vaccines!!

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  • Soccerbetting2:

    That is why I already highlighted before that PAP ministers and the rich women beasts will be taking the expensive Pfizer vaccine while the rest of us will most likely be given the cheaper China sinovac vaccine .All of us should be considered lucky if cheap China Sinovac vaccine is given to us which is about 50% effective .If they give you the India b**$* vaccine,better hope you will not suffer from that unproven Indian vaccine ! I wonder which did Temasex invested in any vaccine products to sell ? Did Temasex invest in those Indian b**$* vaccine ? Whoever owns the right vaccine will be the richest company/person in this world .Is it Singapore ?

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  • Harder Truths:

    I opine that cases of CoVID would increase after citizens are fraudulently jabbed with these fake vaccines. People will believe they are somehow immune and take less precautions. So-called vaccines do not prevent infection all the time, they definitely have been shown to not stop re-transmission.

    Sinovac, if somehow successful (assuming the person taking it does not die through ‘complications’, is permanently crippled or suffers from life-long side effects) has a shelf life of 6 months. So what happens after that? Continue taking the vaccine again and again like a drug? Good luck with that.

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  • Western Propaganda:

    China and Sri Lankan deal is a mutual agreement. China didn’t force anyone. Whilst US forcefully attack other countries even without UN approval. Who is humanistic . China goes everywhere do business and US start war to fulfil her e*** agenda. Who is e***.

    As an intellectual, CI does not understand this? I don’t think so, he is simply biased against and anti China for whatever reason.

    CI, if you don’t understand about China or not being honest about China, just shut up. Otherwise you stir unnecessary hatred towards China who is a nice country, nice people working to improve lives and environment. China is the only potential country who can stop US carrying e*** war against smaller countries. Peaceful world relies on China not US.

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  • limitedexpertise:

    you are ignorant about vaccines
    many doctors are just the middle man of the pharmaceutical industry
    no freebies is just part of the equation

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  • xoxo:

    Free VACCINATIONS?
    CAN GUARANTEE FREE MEDICARE IF GOT SIDE EFFECTS N REQUIRE EXTENDED HOSPITAL STAY N MEDICATION OR JUST SAY THEY ARE PRE-EXISTING AMS MUST OWNSELF PAY?

    I APPROVE $100 BILLION FROM RESERVES TO TAKE CARE OF SGS NOT FOR FURLOUGH$$$ OF MORE THAN $1K FOR NON-SGS????

    PS: NEED ONLY $1K TO SURVIVE AS PER MINISTERS???

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  • In that case:

    In that case, invite or enforce GMS , TKL , Chua Chin Leng and other pro china to administer sinovac first. Including their childrens and grand childrens .

    Next will be new citizens and PR from China. Then China FT and FW as follow.

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  • Tremendous:

    So the chiefs took the expensive vaccine ?
    And the villagers take the cheap vaccine to clear stock ?

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  • TEMUSIK PATRIOT:

    It was Pre-ordered typical “Kia Su” at the people’s expenses…

    With the current KNOWN results , STICK to the Quality and Proven above 80% and Donate the below 80% to countries who find it difficult to obtain Vaccines this is NOT a charity begins at HOME but QUALITY for those at HOME lah!!!

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  • WP Voter:

    See. Told you not enough vaccine doses from Pfizer or Moderna. Now they source from every vaccine approved for emergency use. Hope not from India. One of the two from India went through only some 1600 people in clinical trials (as of a couple of weeks ago).

    The Moderna vaccine will likely be available in Japan. The olympics need it.

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  • opposition dude:

    Who doesn’t know that cheap isn’t good? You want cheap, fast and good ah? You wait long long hor. Ai pee ai chee ai dua liap nee har? Man man tan!

    Let’s see what other vaccines are around for the rest of the year and how the Pfizer one is like at the end of the year before we say more lah.

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  • nathan chen:

    They will tell the commoners soon, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines run out of stock, when mass inoculation of commoners start. Only Sinovac is available. Take or leave it.

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  • As I have expected, side-effects are now showing up in those who have taken the vaccine and also expected, so-called experts in the MOH task force are busy massaging and down-playing the seriousness of the event by claiming “adverse effects” are mostly mild wor.

    Speaking at a virtual COVID-19 multi-ministry taskforce press conference yesterday, Prof Mak noted that such reports are still being compiled for submission to the COVID-19 vaccination expert panel for review and recommendations.

    “As soon as we’re able to get those recommendations out and we have organised and categorised these adverse events, we will be then able to publicise and inform you what those adverse events are,” he said.

    The associate professor, however, did not reveal the number of adverse events that have been reported in the country.

    “Most of these adverse events are very mild. They generally are local reactions that take place that includes pain, redness, swelling, soreness of the muscles where an injection have taken place,” Prof Mak explained.

    He added that some had previously reported they experienced fatigue, more generalised muscles aches and fever after getting the vaccine.

    “Many of these symptoms, in fact, reflect the body’s immune system responding to the vaccine dose that has been injected in them.

    “And [there] will be some that may have more serious side effects, which include allergic reactions of a variety of different grades of severity,” said Prof Mak.

    MOH also said “SOME” will be jialut jialut, so suggesting that some of those those 60k or so who have taken the jab should expect a few to kenna jialut jialut one.

    Is it really so difficult to just tell the truth instead of playing with words and massaging the figures?

    Anyway, those who still die die want to take and not wait a bit better up your insurance coverage, especially medical ones.

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  • Wait 3 years?:

    TRE Techie: “As soon as we’re able to get those recommendations out and we have organised and categorised these adverse events, we will be then able to publicise and inform you what those adverse events are,” he said.

    Other countries report immediately.

    Here, Sg are very “organized”.

    Likely have to wait three years and until someone asks in Parliament before they release the data. Remember the sexual cases?

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  • @Wait 3 years?

    I dont think it will be that long, maybe after the 61% have taken all teh jabs then they release. Other countries immediately, why Sinkieland so organised one huh?

    Anyway, wait for the first death case from the elderlies at AMK ot TP, then they will twist and say the person had underlying conditions, died of underlying conditions, cannot prove its because of vaccine.

    Predicting Pappies idiotic moves is like taking candy from a baby.

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  • Sinopharm is better:

    Than Sinovac. Google search the efficacy of these two in Indonesia, Pakistan, Brazil, Turkey, UAE, etc. The results are not by the respected countries not China.

    The Pfizer mid and long term side effects are unknown because the vaccine is produced based on mRNA which has no history of public consumption records. Already 29 elderly died in Norway after taking Pfizer.

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  • @ Soccerbetting2:

    GIC invested 250miilion in BioNTech which collaborated with Pfizer for the vaccine. This was reported in the money section of the straits times.

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  • Harder Truths:

    TRE Techie: As I have expected, side-effects are now showing up in those who have taken the vaccine and also expected, so-called experts in the MOH task force are busy massaging and down-playing the seriousness of the event by claiming “adverse effects” are mostly mild wor.

    Guinea Pig Hub doing a fantastic job testing Sinovac / Pfzir on diverse population of 61% fools. The details of the tests will be sent to those vaccine companies or CCP for a huge reward or ‘goodwill’ (wink wink).

    Then $G regime can boast they help to defeat CoVID but you are the one to suffer for it. Don’t think this is the end – it is the beginning. Guinea pigs are not let off after the first tests – they are injected again and agan and again to see how much they can take before they mati.

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  • Science update .......:

    Q: Why are the currently approved COVID-19 vaccines administered as two separate doses?

    A1: “The idea behind two separate doses is that the first dose ‘primes’ the immune response and the second dose acts as an amplifier, making the immune response against the virus stronger. Such a strategy is why vaccine manufacturers often design studies to have multiple doses. This doesn’t mean that one dose can’t be effective, but it is impossible to test every combination of doses, timings, routes, and vaccine compositions at once. The Moderna and Pfizer vaccine Phase 3 trials were designed to use each company’s ‘best guess’ strategy first. Fortunately, both of these were extraordinarily successful.”

    — Dave O’Connor, PhD, University of Wisconsin Medical Foundation Professor of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine, University of Wisconsin-Madison (Posted 1/7/2020)

    A2: “The first dose primes the immune system and generates memory cells, thus getting the body ready to respond quickly to an infection. Antibody and memory cell responses are induced after the first dose, but the level is usually lower and could wane quickly below thresholds needed for protection. The second dose, also called a booster, expands the number of immune cells that were primed by the first dose, resulting in a stronger antibody response that is generally more durable. Administering two doses of COVID-19 vaccines increases the likelihood of achieving maximum prevention of disease and increases the percentage of people vaccinated that develop protective levels of immunity, leading to more durable immunity.”

    — Deborah Fuller, PhD, Professor of Microbiology, University of Washington School of Medicine (Posted 1/7/2020)

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  • TEMUSIK PATRIOT:

    TEMUSIK PATRIOT:
    It was Pre-ordered typical “Kia Su” at the people’s expenses…

    With the current KNOWN results , STICK to the Quality and Proven above 80% and Donate the below 80% to countries who find it difficult to obtain Vaccines this is NOT a charity begins at HOME but QUALITY for those at HOME lah!!!

    Norway’s death through vaccination of elderly is a POSITIVE answer to Quality Vaccines above 80% Imagine the Disaster if the cheaper version below was used for the elderly???…maybe it is all right leh!!!…

    reduce population of elderly LEEgaly similar to LEEgal Abortion

    How Ironical the Unborn & the Elderly disposed off in a LeeGal manner

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  • TEMUSIK PATRIOT:

    TEMUSIK PATRIOT: Norway’s death through vaccination of elderly is a POSITIVE answer to Quality Vaccines above 80% Imagine the Disaster if the cheaper version below was used for the elderly???…maybe it is all right leh!!!…

    reduce population of elderly LEEgaly similar to LEEgal Abortion

    How Ironical the Unborn & the Elderly disposed off in a LeeGal manner

    Below 80%

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  • Very confused:

    Many people, including reporters and politicians, are very confused about the vaccines.

    They can’t tell the difference between efficacy 1, efficacy 2, efficacy 3, side effects, long term, short term, price, technology, clinical numbers, real world numbers, etc.

    So, they just go for brand and price. Higher price must be good, and good in every way. Can cure, no side effect, and can make the person more handsome or more beautiful.

    Going by the comments in TRE, many commenters are in the same group.

    TEMUSIK PATRIOT: Norway’s death through vaccination of elderly is a POSITIVE answer to Quality Vaccines above 80% Imagine the Disaster if the cheaper version below was used for the elderly???…maybe it is all right leh!!!…

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