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Now Myanmar Must Choose

While countries in SE Asia could still balance relations between China and the US, there was good reason for Burma’s generals to share rulership with Aung San Suu Kyi. Once the US threatened everyone with sanctions and pigheadedly demanded each nation choose between America and China, of course Burma (and every other country in SE Asia) would see how unreliable the US is and eventually choose China. I would think the Western criticism of Suu Kyi during the Rohingya crisis compelled her to look to China as a buffer. This combined with the fact that China is now the largest investor in Myanmar by far prompted unease in the military, which believed China needed to be balanced.

What about ASEAN? This is a test, too, which just celebrated being at the core of RCEP. Myanmar was always a problem country for ASEAN. Burma had lots of advantages in the 1950s to be a miracle economy, but lost its way under the military-led Burmese way of socialism. Now that she is once again at the mercy of her military nemesis, the once godlike icon is now the loser of this brutal games of thrones. In December 2019 Aung San Suu Kyi appeared at the UN International Court of Justice in The Hague and defended her country’s military against allegations of mass murder, rape and destruction of Rohingya Muslim communities.

Since she has courted China and hosted Xi Jinping a year ago, her useful backers are sitting in Beijing, not in Washington or Brussels. But the military in Myanmar is used to fending off Chinese interference and Western sanctions. Myanmar is of enormous strategic importance to China, and especially so when the government of Pakistan seems less able to protect Chinese interests in that alternate route to the Indian Ocean.

If the Chinese were drawing close to Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi, who could have been cheering the generals? Last month the Chinese government’s top diplomat, Wang Yi, met military chief General Min Aung Hlaing. Nothing happens in that part of the world without China’s knowledge, approval and support! It implies Communist China gaining another Authoritarian ally, the Democracy World lost a member. It implies US lost Myanmar during Trump’s watch & CIA was caught napping. Make no mistake, the Coup is probably China’s first strategic strike against the Biden Administration.

Biden doesn’t have a strong hand in this crisis. He can reimpose sanctions or use ‘diplomatic’ means to get the Junta to reverse their Coup. But Biden might have to strike back ‘strategically’ at China loud & clear. Anything less may be taken as sign of weakness. This is a major challenge for Biden. If he appears toothless and ineffective in this destruction of a Democracy, that perception of him will carry throughout his administration! In the US they had just come thru an insurrection at the Capitol incited by one bellicose leader who refused to accept free and fair election results and a 250 year tradition of the peaceful transition of power, aided and abetted by a political party that has turned against democratic rule of law. We
will have to wait and see. U.S. has no vital geopolitical interests in Myanmar, beyond “human rights” and “democracy”— easily manageable by soft diplomacy.

The real victims of this coup and Myanmar’s return to junta rule are ordinary Burmese. Considering the stance which Aung San Suu Kyi took against Rohingya muslims, she may have been a nationalist toward Buddhist Burmese but not someone committed to democracy which, to my understanding, values human rights and equality above all else and compels people to take actions in accordance with the principle. No one is completely devoid of self-interest and free from temptation of absolute power. The fate of Myanmar is ultimately in the hands of the Burmese and this coup demonstrates that.

ASSK is just another cautionary tale of how weak and fundamentally undemocratic nationalist movements are. You don’t build a country by dividing it.

You don’t engender a love for democracy in people by excluding them from it.

 

SojoüRne Sim

 

 

 

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55 Responses to “Now Myanmar Must Choose”

  • TEMUSIK PATRIOT:

    The WORLD and all that is HAPPENING…Good-Bad & Ugly…Boils down to one simple CHOICE of Good over EVIL!!!

    DEFINITION:…All man is “BORN EQUAL” in His eyes but some felt they are born “MORE EQUAL” that is when the CON begins…and that is EVIL!!!

    All man are Created PERFECT in their imperfect ways physically but PERFECT in their MIND and perform better than NORMAL PERFECTION…and that is GOOD

    Look around you and see the Evil of Perfection in the Presence of Good in IMperfection

    “THINK” and you are!!!… what you are Good or Evil???…

    the Choice is OUT THERE SOMEWHERE…SEEK and you will find!!! QED

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  • What a great article!:

    This post has been copied by so many people around the world.

    Examples:

    1. “What about ASEAN? This is a test, too, which just celebrated being at the core of RCEP. Myanmar was always a problem country for ASEAN. Burma had lots of advantages in the 1950s to be a miracle economy, but lost its way under the military-led Burmese way of socialism.”

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    Zengzi
    San Diego Feb. 1

    What about ASEAN? This is a test for that organization, too, which just celebrated being at the core of RCEP. Myanmar was always a problem country for the organization. Burma had lots of advantages in the 1950s to be a miracle economy, but lost its way under the military-led Burmese way of socialism.

    https://www.nytimes.com/article/2021-myanmar-coup.html#commentsContainer

    2. “This is a major challenge for Biden. If he appears toothless and ineffective in this destruction of a Democracy, that perception of him will carry throughout his administration!”

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    Jessie
    Newark Feb. 1

    This is a major challenge for Biden. If he appears toothless and ineffective in this destruction of a Democracy, that perception of him will carry throughout his administration! We will have to wait and see.

    3. ” It implies Communist China gaining another Authoritarian ally, the Democracy World lost a member. It implies US lost Myanmar during Trump’s watch & CIA was caught napping. Make no mistake, the Coup is probably China’s first strategic strike against the Biden Administration.

    Biden doesn’t have a strong hand in this crisis. He can reimpose sanctions or use ‘diplomatic’ means to get the Junta to reverse their Coup. But Biden might have to strike back ‘strategically’ at China loud & clear. Anything less may be taken as sign of weakness. ”

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    Kobrick
    NY Feb. 1

    The Myanmar Junta Coup implies Communist China regaining its absolute influence over Myanmar.

    It implies Communist China gaining another Authoritarian ally, the Democracy World lost a member.

    It implies US lost Myanmar during Trump’s watch & CIA was caught napping.

    Make no mistake, the Coup is Xi Jinping’s first strategic strike agst the Biden Administration. Biden doesn’t have strong hand in this crisis. He can reimpose sanctions or use ‘diplomatic’ means to get the Junta to reverse their Coup. But Biden must strike back ‘strategically’ at Xi Jinping loud & clear. Anything less may be taken as sign of weakness.

    Probably, 90% of the post had already been copied by many others, word for word.

    Interested readers can go there and see many more cases of people who copied from this post.

    Congratulations to TRE for having such a great writer who seems to be better informed than CIA and MI6.

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    Well situation changes time to time. Who knows ?

    Eg. Initial Malaysia covid 19 handling better than Sg. Now ho ho ho.
    Suddenly those pro malaysia who always sing praises very quiet.

    PH won election then Dr M try to street smart weasel , play people out in the end he kena play out also. Now all parties lock grid in power struggle.

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  • xoxo:

    Where can we find true democracy in the world?

    In $Sin City,only LEEmo-cra$y exists.

    What is important are govts that care for the PEOple.
    No use having PAPple that care only for themselves.

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  • Bucket of Sperm whales:

    Asians by culture and nurture find Autocracy more close to their hearts.

    2 billion China people love their Autocracy.

    This speaks volumes.

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  • Bad Boy:

    Something i saw on PRC weibo,

    一连看到了两个粉红大v谈论缅甸局势。一个说缅甸军方推翻昂山,军方背后是美国的指使。一个说群众上街抗议军方,抗议者背后是美国的指使。

    陷入沉思。

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  • mike:

    Yes, indeed. We asian loved to be ruled collectively. Unlike the americans, they can still take out their pistols and autos to resist. We asian can use ruby, laksa and char kuay tiao to fight our reality, don’t we. ^.^

    Good or bad, he who holds the weapon and willing to destroy and be destroyed shall win at that moment.

    True or not?

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  • Stupidity AGAIN:

    Straits Times: NParks investigating after swathes of Kranji woodland along rail corridor were cleared by mistake

    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/nparks-investigating-after-swathes-of-kranji-woodland-along-rail-corridor-were-cleared-by

    Stupidity again. A lot of the woodland was cleared before JTC realised a mistake has been made. This is inexcusable. This proves the JTC officer in charge did not know what he/she was doing. All JTC staff involved in project should be promptly sacked.

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  • TEMUSIK PATRIOT:

    What a great article!:
    This post has been copied by so many people around the world.

    Examples:

    1. “What about ASEAN? This is a test, too, which just celebrated being at the core of RCEP. Myanmar was always a problem country for ASEAN. Burma had lots of advantages in the 1950s to be a miracle economy, but lost its way under the military-led Burmese way of socialism.”

    Copied by
    Zengzi
    San Diego Feb. 1

    What about ASEAN? This is a test for that organization, too, which just celebrated being at the core of RCEP. Myanmar was always a problem country for the organization. Burma had lots of advantages in the 1950s to be a miracle economy, but lost its way under the military-led Burmese way of socialism.

    https://www.nytimes.com/article/2021-myanmar-coup.html#commentsContainer

    2. “This is a major challenge for Biden. If he appears toothless and ineffective in this destruction of a Democracy, that perception of him will carry throughout his administration!”

    Copied by
    Jessie
    Newark Feb. 1

    This is a major challenge for Biden. If he appears toothless and ineffective in this destruction of a Democracy, that perception of him will carry throughout his administration! We will have to wait and see.

    3. ” It implies Communist China gaining another Authoritarian ally, the Democracy World lost a member. It implies US lost Myanmar during Trump’s watch & CIA was caught napping. Make no mistake, the Coup is probably China’s first strategic strike against the Biden Administration.

    Biden doesn’t have a strong hand in this crisis. He can reimpose sanctions or use ‘diplomatic’ means to get the Junta to reverse their Coup. But Biden might have to strike back ‘strategically’ at China loud & clear. Anything less may be taken as sign of weakness. ”

    Copied by
    Kobrick
    NY Feb. 1

    The Myanmar Junta Coup implies Communist China regaining its absolute influence over Myanmar.

    It implies Communist China gaining another Authoritarian ally, the Democracy World lost a member.

    It implies US lost Myanmar during Trump’s watch & CIA was caught napping.

    Make no mistake, the Coup is Xi Jinping’s first strategic strike agst the Biden Administration. Biden doesn’t have strong hand in this crisis. He can reimpose sanctions or use ‘diplomatic’ means to get the Junta to reverse their Coup. But Biden must strike back ‘strategically’ at Xi Jinping loud & clear. Anything less may be taken as sign of weakness.

    Congratulations to TRE for having such a great writer who seems to be better informed than CIA and MI6.

    That is why we need commentators to be CONTRIBUTORS…OXY & BK are the other two plus mike too

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  • Partial truth?:

    纽约州州长回应瞒报养老院新冠死亡人数:现实因素加政治操作

    https://m.sohu.com/a/451030093_161795/?pvid=000115_3w_a

    This fellow used to lambast DT . Obviously he also screw up.

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  • propaganda?:

    Are some of TR writers spreading anti China propaganda?

    You are free to write something not right about China, but you need present facts and evidence. Don’t just relay western media articles which every intellectual knows is biased, defaming, smearing China which they have been doing so for decades. Ask the western people who live in China for years they will tell you holy molly…..all the shits in western media.

    Tech: It’s merely the opinion of the writer that may be wrong and TRE needs discerning readers like yourself to correct the readers.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    TEMUSIK PATRIOT: That is why we need commentators to be CONTRIBUTORS…OXY & BK are the other two plus mike too

    Oxygen ? A contributor ? Hahahahahahaha

    Oxygen is a chief instigator who try to instigate bodok (stupid Singaporeans) to rise up against our great PAP while he hides in Kangaroo land.

    Oxygen is very much like Hong Kong Martin Lee who instigate the bodok (stupid Hong Kees) to charge at the frontline while he hides and dine in fine restaurant.

    Watch video below.
    Martin Lee Enjoys Dinner During Riot 13 October 2019
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXjSv3Hj-Xg

    To borrow from Mike and rephrase it my way:
    Oh, in Kangaroo land ? Criticizing SG ? And hide away from SG ?
    If he got guts, come back SG and I will respect him plenty.

    mike:
    Oh, in UK? Laughing at US? And run away from SG?
    If he got guts, come back SG and i will respect him plenty.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    propaganda?:
    Are some of TR writers spreading anti China propaganda?

    You are free to write something not right about China, but you need present facts and evidence. Don’t just relay western media articles which every intellectual knows is biased, defaming, smearing China which they have been doing so for decades. Ask the western people who live in China for years they will tell you holy molly…..all the shits in western media.

    Tech: It’s merely the opinion of the writer that may be wrong and TRE needs discerning readers like yourself to correct the readers.

    Though the writer copied the essay, what was said is correct.

    China had a hand in the coup…while US had a hand in the way the election was conducted. Period.
    Chinacunt and Americunt always cheat

    Read what forummer Eugene Lim, former Teacher said of Chinese cheat:
    https://www.quora.com/Is-it-right-or-wrong-to-cheat-in-exams

    GE2024.PAP.Guarantee.Win.HuatAgain
    Majullah $PAP$ $PAP$ Huat$ Huat$ Huat$

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  • Bad Boy:

    U think China politicians / officials very honest ?

    Peru vaccine scandal: Ex-president asked for early jab, doctors say
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-latin-america-56093094

    秘鲁最近有个特别魔幻的大瓜,席卷半个秘鲁政界,而且正在朝着对中国非常不利的方向而去……
    事情起于前总统vizcarra(图1),这老哥们儿去年11月刚被弹劾下去,他前两天自爆说自己偷摸儿参与了中国国药疫苗在秘鲁的三期实验,本意是想展现下英雄气概。
    结果安排实验的学校uch出来打脸说不对啊前总统大人,我们查了实验志愿者名单儿,里头可没你啊!vizcarra只好承认说自己是单独要求接种的。
    按咱的想法这也是好事,毕竟还在实验阶段,总统敢以身试法也挺感人的。但秘鲁国内不这么看,认为前总统走后门打疫苗,前线大夫还没打你自己打,要求卫生部长给解释。
    结果卫生部长跑出来直接说我也偷摸儿种了,那我辞职吧……卫生部副部长递补。
    副部长也跟着开发布会:其实我也种了……那我也辞了吧……
    这时候秘鲁国内已经彻底怒了,因为就前两天这个卫生部长(图23)还说我肯定是全国最后一个接种疫苗的人,先让一线战士们打!紧接着外交部长也出来了,说我坦白我忏悔,我也打了一针,但打完了觉得良心受到谴责,第二针就没再走后门……得我也辞职算了。
    现任总统sagasti坐不住了,要求彻查到底有多少公务员提前打了疫苗,目前查出来大概是485人。于是新闻爆出来国药疫苗除了现有合法渠道外,还有3200剂以贿赂形式流入秘鲁,其中1200剂是中国使馆分配的(覆盖600人)——很可能就是前总统和各位部长走后门的那一批。
    中国使馆赶紧发声明说我不知道没这事儿!结果立即被秘鲁媒体打脸说使馆去年还要求征集注射名单来着,还声称已经搞到使馆走后门的具体名单了。
    整件事儿的正面色彩是说明中国的国药疫苗还是不错的,实验阶段就有那么多高官走后门愿意打了——除了这一点,别的就都是负面影响。现在中国使馆已经被卷入了秘鲁这场政治风波的核心,全秘鲁都要求中国使馆给说法:你们为什么不帮着秘鲁人民。却先跟被弹劾的前总统和他的狗腿子们沆瀣一气?
    其实搁咱看使馆也没毛病,我自己的疫苗想给谁你管的着吗?问题现在舆论发酵成这样,是谁也没想到的事儿。
    当然了,还有另外一帮人现在也很生气,就是秘鲁的孔院和各中资企业代表——中国驻秘鲁使馆早就三令五申说使馆没疫苗,任何在秘鲁的中国人想接种,使馆都没法帮忙——说这话大概就是在给秘鲁这四百多个官儿偷摸儿先打针的时候。

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  • mike:

    Dear @ propaganda?

    Perhaps i see a need to balance out your propaganda too ^.^
    Allow me to be rude, let me raise a few points for your further propaganda. And if you think i am propaganda-ing, feel free to use your propaganda to propaganda me. :))

    1. Why you scared of anti China?
    2. Are you trying to control TR like how China or MSM are controlling info?
    3. Are you the authority of truth?
    4. Do you have evidences and facts to share that all are lies and you have the truth? Share lah, mai paiseh
    5. Why western people living in China? You go think hard! Fish swim because there is water? Our indian bros working in construction and ship building because they love buildings amd boats?
    6.

    Come,correct us with your facts, evidences, and truth. We are all dumb and need re-education, badly!

    Last and as record, i thank TR, which has been, and continue to let information flows and people to counter and counter-counter their arguments.

    propaganda?:
    Are some of TR writers spreading anti China propaganda?

    You are free to write something not right about China, but you need present facts and evidence. Don’t just relay western media articles which every intellectual knows is biased, defaming, smearing China which they have been doing so for decades. Ask the western people who live in China for years they will tell you holy molly…..all the shits in western media.

    Tech: It’s merely the opinion of the writer that may be wrong and TRE needs discerning readers like yourself to correct the readers.

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  • TEMUSIK PATRIOT:

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: Oxygen ? A contributor ? Hahahahahahaha

    Oxygen is a chief instigator who try to instigate bodok (stupid Singaporeans) to rise up against our great PAP while he hides in Kangaroo land.

    Oxygen is very much like Hong Kong Martin Lee who instigate the bodok (stupid Hong Kees) to charge at the frontline while he hides and dine in fine restaurant.

    Watch video below.
    Martin Lee Enjoys Dinner During Riot 13 October 2019
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXjSv3Hj-Xg

    To borrow from Mike and rephrase it my way:
    Oh, in Kangaroo land ? Criticizing SG ? And hide away from SG ?
    If he got guts, come back SG and I will respect him plenty.

    Thanks for the SHIT CONtributed and thank TRE for allowing your SHIT to be published…it can NEVER see the Light of Day should it be CONtrary for the CONtrolled Press

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  • Chewbacca:

    Lately, TR had improved a lot on its’ content and I suspect it also attracted the attentions from overseas readers, especially pandemic period. Control the ‘minds of the citizens’ first before you conquer them physically. China is spreading its’ influence in SEA and not surprising their IBs are trolling every sites, including TRE. They will be etching out any negative views on themselves, the way they are doing now.

    At times like this, we need good writers and commentators with good reasoning powers and stable faculties to counteract them. Let’s see their line of rhetoric in answering mike’s questions. Which I doubt they could.

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  • Distraction:

    Pappy IBs distracting Singaporeans with foreign issues.

    With everyone busy anti-China, anti-western, nobody have time to be anti-pappy liow.

    Chewbacca:
    Lately, TR had improved a lot on its’ content and I suspect it also attracted the attentions from overseas readers, especially pandemic period. Control the ‘minds of the citizens’ first before you conquer them physically. China is spreading its’ influence in SEA and not surprising their IBs are trolling every sites, including TRE. They will be etching out any negative views on themselves, the way they are doing now.

    At times like this, we need good writers and commentators with good reasoning powers and stable faculties to counteract them. Let’s see their line of rhetoric in answering mike’s questions. Which I doubt they could.

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  • Chewbacca:

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

    Has anything changed after all these years of opposition battles? How about broadening and inculcating political consciousness on the 70%?
    Maybe still got hope.

    Distraction:
    Pappy IBs distracting Singaporeans with foreign issues.

    With everyone busy anti-China, anti-western, nobody have time to be anti-pappy liow.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Chewbacca:
    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

    Has anything changed after all these years of opposition battles? How about broadening and inculcating political consciousness on the 70%?
    Maybe still got hope.

    Yes, this is correct.
    We must educate the electorate that only PAP is the best, high salary get you high quality people on top.

    Low salary get you low quality people such as Trump and Xi at the driver seat.
    Low quality Trump / Xi will crash the country (BMW)

    Trump had trashed Congress and Xi had trashed Hong Kong.

    PAP ideology wins ….

    GE2024.PAP.Guarantee.Win.HuatAgain
    Majullah $PAP$ $PAP$ Huat$ Huat$ Huat$

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  • xoxo:

    Another totally unacceptable explanation WHY NEED SO MANY FTs in Sg.
    *employers say cannot get sgs to do the jobs,so must get FTs …*???

    What a farking lie!

    Btw,if sgs get laid off deLEEberately,they become out of touch over time and become chronically unemployable.

    Upgrade to upturn the downturn?
    I tell you,nothing beats on-the-job learning,even learning new tricks.
    Ask H$K
    The more FTs dumped here,the more sgs will be displaced and gradually become chronically unepmloyable.

    Theoretical *kung fu* is not the same as *Practice Kung fu*???

    The more plates of char kway teow a new hawker fried,the higher his skills .
    Conversely,the longer a SG-banker is laid off,the more he lose his expertise.

    No need MATHS TRIPOS OR MASTER IN PUBLIC POLICY TO UNDERSTAND this.

    Who are the daft sgs.
    Guess its quite obvious.

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  • TEMUSIK PATRIOT:

    Chewbacca:
    Lately, TR had improved a lot on its’ content and I suspect it also attracted the attentions from overseas readers, especially pandemic period. Control the ‘minds of the citizens’ first before you conquer them physically. China is spreading its’ influence in SEA and not surprising their IBs are trolling every sites, including TRE. They will be etching out any negative views on themselves, the way they are doing now.

    At times like this, we need good writers and commentators with good reasoning powers and stable faculties to counteract them. Let’s see their line of rhetoric in answering mike’s questions. Which I doubt they could.

    The reason TRE has improved is CONTRIBUTORS of substance are airing their views to be heard with less Fear that they may be traced?…

    There is No greater Fear than Fear Itself and the bast**d did a good job INSTILLING Fear & Threats to shepherd the silly sheep into his pen to be sheared and CONditioned

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  • Cannot get Sg?:

    “employers say cannot get sgs to do the jobs,so must get FTs …*???”

    The FT hiring manager and FT recruitment agent love to say this. Actual fact there are singaporean who can do the job though their CV may meet 50 to 70% of the prerequisites. So the FTs get their own who have unknown or fake university degree, fake CV which the FTs don’t bother screen it and proudly claim their own kind is good, meet all the prerequisites, bla, bla, etc.

    If government does not impose singaporean only recruiting agents, HR personnel, etc. many discriminations will continue.

    Nobody in Singapore is studying how the workers in various sectors perform in terms of productivity and quality. It’s no brainer with mass import Low caliber workers, it will hurt singapore especially compared with the north east Asia countries, Singapore can’t compete with them.

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  • @mike:

    Yes, indeed. We asian loved to be ruled collectively. Unlike the americans, they can still take out their pistols and autos to resist. We asian can use ruby, laksa and char kuay tiao to fight our reality, don’t we. ^.^
    Good or bad, he who holds the weapon and willing to destroy and be destroyed shall win at that moment.
    True or not?

    ->Wrong, only some like india who don’t bother to fight back invaders but let them rule one after another, interrupted their ancient civilisation.

    ->American abused their pistols, hun guns killing innocent people.

    Perhaps i see a need to balance out your propaganda too ^.^
    Allow me to be rude, let me raise a few points for your further propaganda. And if you think i am propaganda-ing, feel free to use your propaganda to propaganda me. :))
    1. Why you scared of anti China?
    2. Are you trying to control TR like how China or MSM are controlling info?
    3. Are you the authority of truth?
    4. Do you have evidences and facts to share that all are lies and you have the truth? Share lah, mai paiseh
    5. Why western people living in China? You go think hard! Fish swim because there is water? Our indian bros working in construction and ship building because they love buildings amd boats?
    6.

    ->You sound emotional, illogical. Any intellectual who know China and the west know the western government and media have been smearing, defaming China (and Russia) for decades. These people see injustice therefore want to sound up. Is that simple. I read straits times for decades – all the western media articles (Reuters, AP, AFP, Bloomberg, etc) are not edited by straits times but wholesale bring over and published on Straits Times. Then live in China for years, like the western people in China, we discover holy molly shits in western media because it is totally different from what you see and hear in China. You got it. For the records, China will ban China media that spread rumours about US and other countries.

    How many times US launch a war in other countries, and how many times not approved by UN. US can’t have freedom and human rights to attack and destroy other countries right?

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  • @@ mike:

    This is NOT mike.

    I also been to China several times including the 3 of the 4 major Beijing ShenZhen Guang Dong.
    I still dont like China. Any problems ?

    HK so close Taiwan so close , they can see what you said ( if its honestly true ) yet they resist.

    Russia also chase all the chinese biz / merchants out of their markets when Covid 19 first hit their shores. How come u never mention ? Yet u only mention the West.

    Lastly prove u live in China ? Mention 5 things we dont know or we dont read online or on the news.

    U should have left for China permanently long ago. U also want to reap the best of both worlds ? Is it ok ? Yes, sure ! Just be honest!

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  • Chewbacca:

    TEMUSIK PATRIOT: The reason TRE has improved is CONTRIBUTORS of substance are airing their views to be heard with less Fear that they may be traced?…

    There is No greater Fear than Fear Itself and the bast**d did a good job INSTILLING Fear & Threats to shepherd the silly sheep into his pen to be sheared and CONditioned

    Maybe fear the pestilence more. At home nothing to do. lol

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  • mike:

    Dear ‘whatever invisible CCP 50c 五毛’

    Your Great China enable you to hide, not face questions and continue the agenda of invisible justifications. If China is doing all good, a great country with great culture of great spirit, your conduct and behaviour displayed otherwise. You are counter-productive.

    Emotional or illogical, i let you say lor. You can even say i am transgender or a puppy, pig or cat, it does not cost me anything from 50c.

    Reuters, AP, AFP, Bloomberg, etc … tell me, which one was not infiltrated by CCP billions of dollars corrupting it from within today? It sounds like you are so outdated and didn’t your higher authority educate you the actual happenings on ground today? Shameful.

    Why… a bully call another bully a bully because he was a weaker bully?
    And sorry, i care none about human rights, i believe in whose fist bigger, speaks louder. And precisely a bigger China will bully us all Asian to kowtow to China and even a 50c will be as big as a truck’s wheel.
    狐假虎威,多行不义,最终作茧自缚。Your stereotyping of India is very ah-Q leh. If what you said is true, why not encourage your higher authority to fight back for ‘your land’ @ Pangong Tso from India. Why wait? I tell you, if China start a border war with India, most asia countries will be on the side of India, want to try?

    And then, your history knowledge is also quite poor. How much land in the north had China ‘gave’ away willingly to Russia over the years and without balls to even take them back just because Russia’s fists are more tougher. Well, although USSR had dissolved, China just quitely ‘kow tow’ to Russian and then bully all the smaller neighbours.

    You better avoid provoking me or i will become EMOTIONAL AND ILLOGICAL, washing more CN dirty laundry out to educate you 50c.

    Quote Invisible IB:
    ->You sound emotional, illogical. Any intellectual who know China and the west know the western government and media have been smearing, defaming China (and Russia) for decades. These people see injustice therefore want to sound up. Is that simple. I read straits times for decades – all the western media articles (Reuters, AP, AFP, Bloomberg, etc) are not edited by straits times but wholesale bring over and published on Straits Times. Then live in China for years, like the western people in China, we discover holy molly shits in western media because it is totally different from what you see and hear in China. You got it. For the records, China will ban China media that spread rumours about US and other countries.

    How many times US launch a war in other countries, and how many times not approved by UN. US can’t have freedom and human rights to attack and destroy other countries right?

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  • @mike:

    Well you are just too anti China presumed I am CCP related or CCP bot. I am true blue singaporean, served my national service in Pulau Tekong, had training in camps at Changi, Ang Mo Kio, Teck Whye, Keat Hong, SAFTI, Sembawang, etc.

    If you are HK or Taiwanese, I stop commenting because I understand you have political differences with China.

    If you are not, I will continue to comment and debunk because you are just so much baseless in accusing China.

    After living in China, any foreigner can see how the China government, be it communist or socialist or democratic, has worked hard to improve people’s lives. The minorities are given welfare such as monthly allowances such as for every Tibetan, CNY2000 plus, lower entry requirements for university admission, heavy subsidies for new housing with help from rich provinces. Go China see tier 1 to tier 5 cities, which are new, clean, modern, advanced technologies deployed.

    China is the hope for south East Asian Chinese. US is not trustworthy- Myanmar needs help for restoring democracy but US is not sending troops where most needed. Seems Myanmar has not much value to US. Syria invited only Russia and Iran to help, but US Kay Poh invaded and worst, bombed and destroyed Syria. Now US is building military facilities near oil fields (!!!) without approval from Syria!!!!!!!!

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    mike:
    Dear ‘whatever invisible CCP 50c 五毛’

    Your Great China enable you to hide, not face questions and continue the agenda of invisible justifications. If China is doing all good, a great country with great culture of great spirit, your conduct and behaviour displayed otherwise. You are counter-productive.

    Well said bro. China only allow singing praise of the CCP. No criticism allowed. 只许歌功颂德,不接受諫言批評。哈哈

    mike:
    Emotional or illogical, i let you say lor. You can even say i am transgender or a puppy, pig or cat, it does not cost me anything from 50c.

    Same here, hahaha… the bodok here can call me any name but who cares ?
    It cost me nothing….and it show I spoke the truth and the truth hurts..ouch.

    mike:
    Reuters, AP, AFP, Bloomberg, etc … tell me, which one was not infiltrated by CCP billions of dollars corrupting it from within today? It sounds like you are so outdated and didn’t your higher authority educate you the actual happenings on ground today? Shameful.

    Yes, this is frightening.. and Xi also throws money in Africa and North America, controlling them….

    I think Xi has wake up to the tactics of the Americunt and are now applying the same Americunt tactics.

    mike:
    Why… a bully call another bully a bully because he was a weaker bully?
    And sorry, i care none about human rights, i believe in whose fist bigger, speaks louder.

    Hahaha, it seems that this is the philosophy of many…
    Americunt, Britcunt, Chinacunt ….

    Even the so called pro democracy also apply the whose fist bigger, speaks louder win.

    香港市民坚持移除路障,暴徒正要嚣张时警方终于赶到
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUk4WJBxc8o

    Watch the video to see how the gin na (HK students) apply the whose fist bigger, speaks louder win.

    GE2024.PAP.Guarantee.Win.HuatAgain
    Majullah $PAP$ $PAP$ Huat$ Huat$ Huat$

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    mike:
    And precisely a bigger China will bully us all Asian to kowtow to China and even a 50c will be as big as a truck’s wheel.
    狐假虎威,多行不义,最终作茧自缚。Your stereotyping of India is very ah-Q leh. If what you said is true, why not encourage your higher authority to fight back for ‘your land’ @ Pangong Tso from India. Why wait? I tell you, if China start a border war with India, most asia countries will be on the side of India, want to try?

    PRC really head damaged liao… they like to harp on how they win the 1962 war against India and they can similarly win India today….

    What the fcuk ?

    If PRC start a war with India now, PRC will race to occupy South China seas island liao.

    So, PRC no balls lah….

    mike:
    And then, your history knowledge is also quite poor. How much land in the north had China ‘gave’ away willingly to Russia over the years and without balls to even take them back just because Russia’s fists are more tougher. Well, although USSR had dissolved, China just quitely ‘kow tow’ to Russian and then bully all the smaller neighbours.

    You better avoid provoking me or i will become EMOTIONAL AND ILLOGICAL, washing more CN dirty

    International relationship is always about whose fists are bigger.

    Damned you are right.

    Russia bear had a bigger fists than the panda, China…

    Ah hahahahahaha…
    GE2024.PAP.Guarantee.Win.HuatAgain
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  • Oh no:

    Maybe Mike is an Indian, and siding with India?

    China cities cannot be that good. Only PAP is capable of building good city. 61% won’t believe you.

    Pappy also has the best welfare. China cannot be so good. Cannot. Pappy says the poor get don’t know how many millions from the gov.

    @mike: If you are not, I will continue to comment and debunk because you are just so much baseless in accusing China.

    After living in China, any foreigner can see how the China government, be it communist or socialist or democratic, has worked hard to improve people’s lives. The minorities are given welfare such as monthly allowances such as for every Tibetan, CNY2000 plus, lower entry requirements for university admission, heavy subsidies for new housing with help from rich provinces. Go China see tier 1 to tier 5 cities, which are new, clean, modern, advanced technologies deployed.

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  • mike:

    Dear ‘whatever invisible CCP 50c 五毛’

    I have to call you this because you don’t even have the basic courtesy or pride to give yourself a call-sign. :DD

    By naming all the locations in SG, and serving NS you are a true blue SGrean? Ya ya… so blue isn’t it? Self-high? True blue SGrean have different grades, which grade are you in? Dumb, angry, numb, boh-chap, how-lian, brain-dead, jiak-liao-bee, care-free, etc… are all true blues, i am blue until turned purple going into black and soon evaporate. So telling me you true blue SGrean will not change how you had carried yourself while trying to associate, childish. In fact, i felt ashamed to be associated with >.<"

    Invisible IB:
    Well you are just too anti China presumed I am CCP related or CCP bot. I am true blue singaporean, served my national service in Pulau Tekong, had training in camps at Changi, Ang Mo Kio, Teck Whye, Keat Hong, SAFTI, Sembawang, etc.

    ——-

    Ai-yo… why? Divide and conquer? U beli self-con(-tracdicting) leh. Come, come, debunk please, baseless is a common word to use these days. Let’s baseless one another ok? I enjoy this type counter-counter activities. :))

    Invisible IB:
    If you are HK or Taiwanese, I stop commenting because I understand you have political differences with China.

    If you are not, I will continue to comment and debunk because you are just so much baseless in accusing China.

    ——-

    Ok ok, i got it. @[email protected]
    You worked very hard day and night to buy food for your pigeon and chicken in cage. Station owners worked very hard day and night to feed their sheeps and cows, clean the animals’ shit and dung, let them happy to have sex and create new babies. Want techonology? The animal can use their tongue to lick the ipad and more food will drop into the bowl. SG also huat huat give GST vouchers every year!

    So what you want to tell me? I am dumb, come straight to the point.

    Invisible IB:
    After living in China, any foreigner can see how the China government, be it communist or socialist or democratic, has worked hard to improve people’s lives. The minorities are given welfare such as monthly allowances such as for every Tibetan, CNY2000 plus, lower entry requirements for university admission, heavy subsidies for new housing with help from rich provinces. Go China see tier 1 to tier 5 cities, which are new, clean, modern, advanced technologies deployed.

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  • mike:

    … Coninue Part II

    Dear ‘whatever invisible CCP 50c 五毛’

    Ya agree, you are talking to kindie, educating and condition us ya?
    Mao and Xi are also god send from heaven too, join the churches of CCP where Xi’s pictures are hung high and temples where Mao’s figures are prayed.
    Are you trying hard to tell me CN is helping Myanmar to RESTORE DEMOCRACY? Wow, that’s news! I need to research more on this serious topic. Or are you asking USA to send troops to Myanmar? Damn if you do, damn if you don’t. If USA send troops, you IBs will say kay poh again ^.^

    Yes indeed, Myanmar have little value to USA. But much valuable to CN for an alternate route towards indian ocean access. Don’t make it so obvious, if Myanmar can be bought by CN, it can be bought by any power. You are good grade true blue SGrean!

    About Syria, try to read more before you present an one sided IB instructed views.

    Invisible IB:

    China is the hope for south East Asian Chinese. US is not trustworthy- Myanmar needs help for restoring democracy but US is not sending troops where most needed. Seems Myanmar has not much value to US. Syria invited only Russia and Iran to help, but US Kay Poh invaded and worst, bombed and destroyed Syria. Now US is building military facilities near oil fields (!!!) without approval from Syria!!!!!!!!

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  • Talintuoya Ubulunqi:

    Obviously, you are already very emotional and illogical!

    China did not give away the land willingly, She was bullied into giving away the land.

    Russian is not the only bully! Apart from Russia, the Jap, the us of a, the colonisers from the Europe, and those surrounding countries making use of the colonisers, too, took advantage and bullied China when she was weak

    China has been bullied for too long and is still being bullied!

    The Chinese has been misunderstood for too long and is still being bullied and demonised unjustly!

    And then, your history knowledge is also quite poor. How much land in the north had China ‘gave’ away willingly to Russia over the years and without balls to even take them back just because Russia’s fists are more tougher. Well, although USSR had dissolved, China just quitely ‘kow tow’ to Russian and then bully all the smaller neighbours.

    You better avoid provoking me or i will become EMOTIONAL AND ILLOGICAL, washing more CN dirty laundry out to educate you 50c.

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  • BK:

    Thank u SojoüRne. Suffice to say that the two Embassies that the Myanmar people protested on site are China and Singapore.

    What did PAP say in defense? Lets separate biz and politics. There isnt a deeper well that PAP frogs dwell in.

    And China, in the end they felt compelled to say that they have no knowledge of the coup.

    The dynamics of this shift from West to East, a belief based on possibilities of youth, middle class, technology, and conversely declining public confidence, poor fiscal health in the West are fraught with uncertainties, but it is clear; freedom, democracy and a sense of voice will be core to this shift.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: PRC really head damaged liao… they like to harp on how they win the 1962 war against India and they can similarly win India today….

    What the fcuk ?

    If PRC start a war with India now, PRC will race to occupy South China seas island liao.

    So, PRC no balls lah….

    Correction.
    If PRC start a war with India now, ASEAN will race to occupy South China seas island liao.

    This is especially after PRC empower their “steal and copy” Coast Guard vessel to open fire at any vessel that encroach into PRC imagine territory.

    So, PRC no balls lah …..

    GE2024.PAP.Guarantee.Win.HuatAgain
    Majullah $PAP$ $PAP$ Huat$ Huat$ Huat$

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  • @mike:

    You are 无药可救。

    If you are HK or Taiwanese, there is still chance you can be saved from the chemical imbalance.

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  • SojoüRne:

    BK:
    Thank u SojoüRne. Suffice to say that the two Embassies that the Myanmar people protested on site are China and Singapore.

    What did PAP say in defense? Lets separate biz and politics. There isnt a deeper well that PAP frogs dwell in.

    And China, in the end they felt compelled to say that they have no knowledge of the coup.

    The dynamics of this shift from West to East, a belief based on possibilities of youth, middle class, technology, and conversely declining public confidence, poor fiscal health in the West are fraught with uncertainties, but it is clear; freedom, democracy and a sense of voice will be core to this shift.

    BK,
    A commentator on my latest blog’s screed asks a good question: where do you go to check whether a politician’s statement is actually true?

    The most basic declarative statement, with only two elements to fact-check. First, did business create those politics and conversely? How one separate?

    Polemics, political rhetoric and hyperbole are a key part of the political debate. Actually, that’s what we want journalism to do; not just report the facts, but suss out if the fact is being used correctly, what is the context, what other information is present that can tell a more complete story.

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  • mike:

    Dear @ Talintuoya Ubulunqi

    Thank you for recognizing some of the facts. :)

    Now, please enlighten me how could a country bombed, threat and war with others in the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s, claimed to have liberated its people, carried out ‘genocide’ on its land but ‘bullied’ by Russia to give away land?

    Tell me how a country, sent its people into further hardship just to ‘reduce the population’ in face of famines.

    Tell me how a country turned son against father, student against teacher, friends against friends and neighbours against neighbours to solidify its power grip? Someone bullied you, so you turn and bully your family?

    Ain’t you feel ashamed?

    That was such a nice word ‘giving’ away. Why China was bullied in past history? Simply because its people was never really civilized. A monkey dressed in suit is still a monkey. In face of tyranny, chinese in their own land, their bone is as soft as tofu.

    不是说自己的土地寸土不让吗? 还不是因为别人的拳头更大更硬就怂了,不是吗?
    此等欺善怕恶,身为华夏子孙,自己都瞧不起自己。
    现今美国出了个馕包总统,大中共国就敲锣打鼓摆出大气场,搞个缅甸鸡犬不宁是要米国干预好分散南海西太平洋军力吗?走的暗路多了终得遇上鬼。到头来最后苦的是中国人民。
    看来这世纪东亚终须一战。

    Please don’t think that only chinese knows ‘art of war’.
    以前反华是汉奸,现在反共是救国。当中国人真正觉醒的一天,才有美好的未来。这世界才会更和平。

    Emotional, illogical, go ahead say whatever you want, you are not my going to marry me, don’t you? :))) funny.

    Talintuoya Ubulunqi:
    Obviously, you are already very emotional and illogical!

    China did not give away the land willingly, She was bullied into giving away the land.

    Russian is not the only bully! Apart from Russia, the Jap, the us of a, the colonisers from the Europe, and those surrounding countries making use of the colonisers, too, took advantage and bullied China when she was weak

    China has been bullied for too long and is still being bullied!

    The Chinese has been misunderstood for too long and is still being bullied and demonised unjustly!

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  • BK:

    Talintuoya Ubulunqi:
    Obviously, you are already very emotional and illogical!

    China did not give away the land willingly, She was bullied into giving away the land.

    Russian is not the only bully! Apart from Russia, the Jap, the us of a, the colonisers from the Europe, and those surrounding countries making use of the colonisers, too, took advantage and bullied China when she was weak

    China has been bullied for too long and is still being bullied!

    The Chinese has been misunderstood for too long and is still being bullied and demonised unjustly!

    Lol. U are a Singaporean? And yet all u do is lamenting, crying, praising ad nauseam China…who is more emotional than that?

    And yet, not one position on Singapore geo-political reality. No nuance of Singapore multiracial identity. Not an ounce of a Singaporean identity vs China in South China Sea.

    All the links below are recent. And it shows clearly China is not trusted. Right, all these are idiots for believing in Western media, except of course they are media from Asia.

    Of course they are wrong, they shouldnt feel bullied even when China steal your islands, fish in your backyard…

    Yes. Keep drinking your red bean soup.

    asia.nikkei.com › Politics › 7-of-10-…
    7 of 10 ASEAN members favor China over US: survey – Nikkei Asia

    http://www.cnbc.com
    Southeast Asia would choose the U.S. over China if forced to pick sides …

    http://www.todayonline.com
    Web results
    Majority of Asean will choose US over China if forced to decide, survey shows
    http://www.thejakartapost.com
    Dealing with China’s deficit of trust with neighbors – Opinion

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  • Talintuoya Ubulunqi:

    My dearest @Mike

    Those lines had been repeated time and again by the media you favour and thus created numerous @Mikes in like you!

    Nothing new!

    You will have to try much harder!

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  • Talintuoya Ubulunqi:

    It is so very obvious, totally lacks of knowledge in depth, superficial and biased !

    What else is there to say? For creatures that live only during the period of summer, snow will never touch their life!

    BK: Lol. U are a Singaporean? And yet all u do is lamenting, crying, praising ad nauseam China…who is more emotional than that?

    And yet, not one position on Singapore geo-political reality. No nuance of Singapore multiracial identity. Not an ounce of a Singaporean identity vs China in South China Sea.

    All the links below are recent. And it shows clearly China is not trusted. Right, all these are idiots for believing in Western media, except of course they are media from Asia.

    Of course they are wrong, they shouldnt feel bullied even when China steal your islands, fish in your backyard…

    Yes. Keep drinking your red bean soup.

    asia.nikkei.com › Politics › 7-of-10-…
    7 of 10 ASEAN members favor China over US: survey – Nikkei Asia

    http://www.cnbc.com
    Southeast Asia would choose the U.S. over China if forced to pick sides …

    http://www.todayonline.com
    Web results
    Majority of Asean will choose US over China if forced to decide, survey shows
    http://www.thejakartapost.com
    Dealing with China’s deficit of trust with neighbors – Opinion

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  • Surveys, must look deep:

    So many links. Quite impressive. However, all except one rely on the same survey by ISEAS reported this month. The last link was a year ago.

    https://www.iseas.edu.sg/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/The-State-of-SEA-2021-v2.pdf

    The first thing about a survey is who are the respondents. The report says 1035 respondents from ASEAN countries. Some countries had only about 30 to 40 respondents.

    Who do they represent (Question 2 of the report)? 45% are from academia and think-tanks (same type of people as ISEAS), and 31% are from governments. Common folks are not included.

    Let’s look at the topic highlighted in the links. Between US and China, who do you prefer? The actual question 31: “If ASEAN were forced to align itself with one of the two strategic rivals, which should it choose?”

    What did the report miss out? It analysed country by country. But it did not analyse how the type of respondents affects the results.

    Looking at the respondent type and the US/China preference, there are strong correlations. In particular, countries with high % of gov respondents prefer China, and countries with high % of academia/think-tank prefer US.

    The correlations are 0.64 (gov% and China preference) and 0.59 (acad% and US preference). If Vietnam and Philippines are omitted, because they have direct territorial conflicts with China, the correlations shoot to 0.8s. These are strong correlation numbers.

    What are readers’ interpretation of these?

    BK: All the links below are recent. And it shows clearly China is not trusted. Right, all these are idiots for believing in Western media, except of course they are media from Asia.

    Yes. Keep drinking your red bean soup.

    asia.nikkei.com › Politics › 7-of-10-…
    7 of 10 ASEAN members favor China over US: survey – Nikkei Asia

    http://www.cnbc.com
    Southeast Asia would choose the U.S. over China if forced to pick sides …

    http://www.todayonline.com
    Web results
    Majority of Asean will choose US over China if forced to decide, survey shows
    http://www.thejakartapost.com
    Dealing with China’s deficit of trust with neighbors – Opinion

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  • mike:

    Dear @ Talintuoya Ubulunqi,

    What you talking? :DDD
    来点有深度的好吗?要辩又’不举’,想说又没能力,这样很难赚钱的。还是说你(妳)老板特别照料你(妳)的饮食起居?除了50c还会有私人红利?

    I am honoured to be mimicked and to be cloned to confuse readers. Nothing new, yes, this trick had been used when my modem was 24kps speed.

    I don’t need to try harder, i simply entertained. :))))

    Talintuoya Ubulunqi:
    My dearest @Mike

    Those lines had been repeated time and again by the media you favour and thus created numerous @Mikes in like you!

    Nothing new!

    You will have to try much harder!

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  • BK:

    LOL. Look deep indeed. If a single survey is quoted, does it follow that all must agree with that conclusion? I think the Asian media agreed with the survey.

    More than looking deep, u have to be honest and free from prejudice. Because looking deep at the wrong end gives u a posterior understanding rather than the truth. Lets see whats left out.

    1. https://www.thejakartapost.com/academia/2019/01/18/dealing-with-chinas-deficit-of-trust-with-neighbors.html

    Jakarta Post: ” Ambassador Huang directly addressed the sensitive issue (the said survey), citing Beijing’s plan to promote more cultural exchanges and experiences between the grass roots of China and Southeast Asia….” The Ambassador at no time say the survey was wrong factually or fake news, at least he was honest.

    2. https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/majority-asean-will-choose-us-over-china-if-forced-decide-survey-shows

    The survey, titled State of Southeast Asia: 2021, found that the US enjoys stronger support from the following Asean countries:

    The Philippines (86.6 per cent)

    Vietnam (84 per cent)

    Singapore (65.8 per cent)

    Indonesia (64.3 per cent)

    Thailand (56.5 per cent)

    Cambodia (53.8 per cent)

    Malaysia (53 per cent)

    The remaining three Asean members that chose China were:

    Myanmar (51.9 per cent)

    Brunei (69.7 per cent)

    Laos (80 per cent)

    3. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/16/asean-would-choose-us-over-china-if-forced-to-pick-sides-survey.html

    “Southeast Asia’s support for the U.S. appeared to increase after Joe Biden won the presidential election, according to an annual survey by Singaporean think tank ISEAS Yusof-Ishak Institute.

    The State of Southeast Asia survey released last week found that 61.5% of respondents favor aligning with the U.S. over China if the region was forced to pick sides. That’s an increase from 53.6% who chose the U.S. over China in the same survey a year ago….”

    4. https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/7-of-10-ASEAN-members-favor-China-over-US-survey

    I deliberately left this in, but this was done in 2020. The guy didnt picked it up. Look deep? LOL.

    This showed how the sentiment swung in a year. The respondents are the same type. Look deep? Get some glasses dude.

    How each media edit the opinion showed which part of the survey they were concerned about. It showed multifaceted and complex feelings toward China. And it is distrust period.

    SojoüRne made a good point: ” …But Biden might have to strike back ‘strategically’ at China loud & clear. Anything less may be taken as sign of weakness. This is a major challenge for Biden. If he appears toothless and ineffective in this destruction of a Democracy, that perception of him will carry throughout his administration! …”

    Dont fool yourself too much (:

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  • mike:

    Dear @ Surveys, must look deep

    First, i will put it as record that i trust no survey results.

    Second, a good research (than just survey, which are opinions) requires discipline and consistency in setting, process and application.

    Third, even a good point 2 the story can be twisted with words.

    Now, come back to my respond to you. Sorry BK, i kaypo here a bit.

    Your technical education on significant-level and regression looks sophisticated and knowledgeable. *clap *clap *clap

    Do you need my opinion (or interpretation)? May i be rude?
    You big BS king trying to do statistical analysis on secondary data. >.< :DDD

    I tell you what… (now my BS…) i have more than 15 years of experiences in manipulating figures, numbers and even raw data. I can make my respondents says black or white as i like. I first hand witness how markets, for example, like CN, PH, or IN etc can control survey respondents almost flawlessly.

    So, what you just did was picking up a chicken bone, used a magnifying glass and argued dinosaur did not evolved into human.

    (°.<)

    Kiang-ji-ho, mai-ge-kiang

    Surveys, must look deep:
    So many links. Quite impressive. However, all except one rely on the same survey by ISEAS reported this month. The last link was a year ago.

    https://www.iseas.edu.sg/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/The-State-of-SEA-2021-v2.pdf

    The first thing about a survey is who are the respondents. The report says 1035 respondents from ASEAN countries. Some countries had only about 30 to 40 respondents.

    Who do they represent (Question 2 of the report)? 45% are from academia and think-tanks (same type of people as ISEAS), and 31% are from governments. Common folks are not included.

    Let’s look at the topic highlighted in the links. Between US and China, who do you prefer? The actual question 31: “If ASEAN were forced to align itself with one of the two strategic rivals, which should it choose?”

    What did the report miss out? It analysed country by country. But it did not analyse how the type of respondents affects the results.

    Looking at the respondent type and the US/China preference, there are strong correlations. In particular, countries with high % of gov respondents prefer China, and countries with high % of academia/think-tank prefer US.

    The correlations are 0.64 (gov% and China preference) and 0.59 (acad% and US preference). If Vietnam and Philippines are omitted, because they have direct territorial conflicts with China, the correlations shoot to 0.8s. These are strong correlation numbers.

    What are readers’ interpretation of these?

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  • Surveys, must look deep:

    Since you trust no survey results, and had been faking results for 15 years, you should just throw out the survey instead of labeling chicken bone or dinosaur bone. All are liar’s bones.

    mike: First, i will put it as record that i trust no survey results.

    I tell you what… (now my BS…) i have more than 15 years of experiences in manipulating figures, numbers and even raw data. I can make my respondents says black or white as i like. I first hand witness how markets, for example, like CN, PH, or IN etc can control survey respondents almost flawlessly.

    So, what you just did was picking up a chicken bone, used a magnifying glass and argued dinosaur did not evolved into human.

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  • Surveys, must look deep:

    BK: The respondents are the same type. Look deep? Get some glasses dude.

    With the help of some glasses, here are more details from the report, focusing on the respondents.

    3 countries contribute more than half the respondents. (Vietname,17%; Sg, 15%, Myanmar, 15%). It’s quite ridiculous that this survey claims to represent ASEAN. Any claims about ASEAN is heavily based on respondents from these 3 countries.

    Vietnam’s proportion goes up from 11.6% in 2020 to 17.0% in 2021. With such a strong change, of course the overall results are going to be affected.

    Sg, the tiny red dot in ASEAN, contribute 15% of views, while Indonesia, the great giant, contribute only 12%?

    Even the Philippines complain about the respondent groups:
    https://businessmirror.com.ph/2021/02/15/the-press-media-just-fooling-itself/

    However, of the 1,032 online survey respondents, only 67 came from the Philippines—the smallest number except for Lao PDR, Brunei Darussalam, and Cambodia. From Vietnam there were 175. Usually, a public opinion survey is careful about using a representative demographic. In this case of the 67, 40 were from “Academia, think-tanks or research,” 13 from government, and shockingly—in our opinion—only one person from the business community.

    The news story from an online source of “Fearless reporting” read: “More than half of Filipinos participating in the Asean Studies Centre survey thumb down the Duterte government’s response to the Covid-19 crisis.” Not one mention was made of the number of Filipino respondents or the demographics. The story did report that, “In Vietnam, an astounding 96.6 percent gave the Communist Party of Vietnam a thumb’s up.” The story did not report that “an astounding” 38 percent of the Vietnamese respondents work for the government.

    Other news sources followed along with little if any analysis of the actual survey. “Philippines has lowest government Covid-19 response among Asean countries, and some are not surprised.” “In Asean, Pinoys least satisfied with gov’t response to Covid-19 crisis.” “Filipinos most disapproving of gov’t pandemic response in SEA, survey finds.”

    Is there any question why—according to Edelman—59 percent say, “Most news organizations are more concerned with supporting an ideology or political position than with informing the public”?

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  • BK:

    Is there any question why—according to Edelman—59 percent say, “Most news organizations are more concerned with supporting an ideology or political position than with informing the public”?

    Your conclusion? ! Lol. I agree.

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  • BK:

    The question in the deep end of a deeper look. Is there such a thing as non-ideological?

    Picking apart respondents or picking bones, again , the macro and micro contexts to shape that understanding.

    U can go into proportional representation or first pass the post, u can divide the respondents into urban-rural divide, which Universities they went to, who are their lecturers, even how many pubic hairs the guys have…

    Of course,any survey , u can take it apart. The shaping of an opinion is also historical, value laden, etc….

    Fair game. Good go (:

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  • Nathan Chen:

    The Myanmar people had already chosen resolutely. Give me freedom or give me death. Cringe all you want.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Singaporeans R free riders

    YOU ARE A COMPLETE A*SE HOLE! Enough said.

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: Oxygen is a chief instigator who try to instigate bodok (stupid Singaporeans) to rise up against our great PAP while he hides in Kangaroo land

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  • mike:

    Myanmar: weapons may enter from North, East and West.
    China troops will come in from the North and occupied lands.
    Myanmar is calling fox to guard chicken house if they did ‘striked’ some deals to obtain China’s ‘support’.

    God bless Myanmar

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  • SojoüRne:

    Another measure of great influence, arms purchases. Countries like Australia, S. Korea, Taiwan, India, Singapore, Japan and Pakistan that buy American arms bind their military and international affairs to the United States. However, China has begun to use rising military strength and economic influence to reorganize the region. Every Asian country is now trading more with China, often by two-to-one margins, a disparity that is growing only as China’s economic growth outpaces that of the United States. China, whose labor, money and resources inevitably meets the needs of small developing countries where the United States has spent heavily, such as Pakistan.

    A possible future: countries dominated by both the American and Chinese military and economic forces, not completely autonomous nor clearly allied.

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  • oxygen:

    @ TEMUSIK PATRIOT,

    THANKS FOR SHARING, let us not waste our energy and thoughts on that pest.

    TEMUSIK PATRIOT: Thanks for the SHIT CONtributed and thank TRE for allowing your SHIT to be published…it can NEVER see the Light of Day should it be CONtrary for the CONtrolled Press

    I have told him this,

    oxygen: @ Singaporeans R free riders

    YOU ARE A COMPLETE A*SE HOLE! Enough said.

    No need for the rest of us to wrestle with this pig in the pigsty. You get your tie and suit all dirtied up.

    An interesting informing thread and intense informing discourse – even if robustly debated by numerous intellectually strong and obviously knowledgeable commentators noted – have been SHIT-TED on BY THIS COMPLETE A*SE HOLE.

    Every TRE readers can see this clearly.

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