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Why are vaccinated people still being infected by Covid-19?

The headline of a news article said - Covid-19: 3 TTSH staff among new cases, including nurse who had received both doses of vaccine.

The question is – why are vaccinated people still being infected by covid?

The answer is – this is the manifestation of the efficacy rate.  If the efficacy rate is 90%, it means that 10% can still be infected.

Furthermore, it takes some time for the vaccine to be fully effective. The infection could have occurred before that.

Does it mean that vaccination is not useful?

The answer is – vaccination is still useful. Although the vaccination people may still be infected, the virus will probably be mild and will not harm the host. Furthermore, the host will most probably not spread the virus, which is likely to be mild.

We need people to understand that most things are not black and white. There are many shades of gray.

If we get vaccinated, we will not become complete immune. We may still be infected, but the virus will be much less harmful compared to a person who is not vaccinated.

What about the risk that the vaccine may cause reaction and, in some cases, harmful outcome?

The answer is – a small percentage of people will have adverse reaction. However, this will not apply to the majority of vaccinated people.

While there is a small risk of vaccination, it is overcome by the benefit that applies in the majority of cases. On balance, it is better to be vaccinated.

We need to understand this concept of risk. In everything that we do (including a decision to avoid vaccination), there is risk of harm. We need to weigh the likelihood of each positive and adverse outcome, and take a rational decision.

Tan Kin Lian

 

 

 

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31 Responses to “Why are vaccinated people still being infected by Covid-19?”

  • Tracey Ching:

    Comrade Ah Tan, have you and your family got vaccinated? Go ask for Sinovac. You are really inferior in every aspects. So you want to see dead bodies in Sinkapor before you change your mind? By that time, it will be too late for Sinkapor. CCP can witness your inferiority and stupidity.

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  • oxygen:

    IGNORANT HYPOTHESIS or half-truth peddling yet again?

    Chinese wisdom saying – chor ma cunt hua – admiring flowers sitting from a high horse.

    The flowers (vaccines) might all be toxic poisonous and the mass vaccination globally backfired.

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  • Pap has the mandate:

    New Variant, highly contagious and more deadly. Like the Flu vaccination, you are always one step behind.

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  • GeneVac:

    The present mRNA “vaccine” is not effective vs variant virus as it is specifically manipulated to induce antibodies to fight vs spike protein of Covid virus!

    Hope you can investigate & keep us informed rather than extrapolate!

    We should take care & make informed decision to be “vaccinated”.

    Better be safe than sorry!

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  • Can u just shut up?:

    Can u just shut up? You are no experts. The small percentage is still human life. Hope to see you falling into the small percentage, however small they are!

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  • armour piercing rounds:

    //The answer is – this is the manifestation of the efficacy rate. If the efficacy rate is 90%, it means that 10% can still be infected.

    Furthermore, it takes some time for the vaccine to be fully effective. The infection could have occurred before that.//

    got people completed 2 doses in Feb21 leh and still kena infected, so how ?? does it mean the vaccine does not render them free of infection after that or they kena the 10% (last thought hor heard it was 5%) ???

    alamak, this so-called efficacy rate will keep on changing as and when so-called experts gather more new data for them to so-called constantly review their understanding and tell (change their) further stories lar ?? cannot see meh the so-called experts (luckily they got to the position to be called experts leh) slowly reframing their narrative of this and that ??

    //If we get vaccinated, we will not become complete immune. We may still be infected, but the virus will be much less harmful compared to a person who is not vaccinated.//

    aiyoh. provided hor the ‘bullet’ is not “armour piercing round” ? if the variant (mutation) becomes armour piercing, then armour (vaccine ??) no use lar ? if non-aggressive variants, then bo-tai-chi if take vaccines ?? so hor, do not start issuing “armour piercing rounds” hor or give opportunity for it to be available hor like open-leg policy hor ??

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  • Anyhow Hamtam:

    So smart speak like expert please show your certificate.

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  • Another take:

    With all due respect, I would perhaps take consul from medical professionals strictly, and even that unknown agendas may be riddled within.

    The ‘vaccine’ was supposed that resources would not be stretched out. Asymptomatic carriers are even more potent when out and about. Once realized, they still have to be isolated, resources stretched. It does seem the jab wasn’t much use from the latest variants. Now you have people queuing up for tests; much can be debated about PCR tests. Meanwhile, optimum use of hospital facilities could be compromised.

    Vaccine passport? What good does it do, besides propagating conspiracy theories.

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  • MarBowling:

    Tan Golden Chain talked macham like Dr Anthony Fauci

    Most Sinkaporean have been SCREWED by the PAPigs all day and night LOONG Holee Year Round! So based on TKL ANALysis, to be SCREWED 100% or 62.14% it’s A OK! Better to be SCREWED than NOT!

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  • xoxo:

    Yeah,in everything undertaken ,there is risk of bad outcome.
    Luckily,you were not elected,YOU ARE A TIME-BOMB!

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  • Dont open your mouth:

    Once your open your mouth, you have confirmed that we have made the right decision not to vote for you as President!

    Talk and write less please!

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  • mike:

    Dear @ TKL

    Who are you tryng to convince or lead opinions?

    Are you rolling your sleeves, getting ready to receive the 3rd, 4th, 5th and N-th doses?

    Are you ready to collect vaccines like collector’s item?

    Each N-th dose of vaccines will perhaps make you closer to our makers?

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  • nathan chen:

    What is the affect on the vaccines on the already effected people?

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  • oxygen:

    @ TKL,

    WHAT NONSENSE IS THIS LOGIC of your postulation only?

    TKL:The question is – why are vaccinated people still being infected by covid?

    The answer is – this is the manifestation of the efficacy rate. If the efficacy rate is 90%, it means that 10% can still be infected.

    I am proposing to you that it is your BLOWJOB of doggie whistling found in the next gibberish lunacy.

    TKL :Furthermore, it takes some time for the vaccine to be fully effective. The infection could have occurred before that

    THE INFECTION COULD OCCUR LATER FOR THE OTHER 90% – same as those not vaccinated.

    GIVE IT TIME AND OPPORTUNITY FOR THE VACCINATED TO BE RE-INFECTED.

    It is NOT 90% efficacy of your speculative conjecture.

    Which is why @ GeneVac is correct.

    GeneVac: The present mRNA “vaccine” is not effective vs variant virus as it is specifically manipulated to induce antibodies to fight vs spike protein of Covid virus!

    Hope you can investigate & keep us informed rather than extrapolate!

    The mNRA is tailored made to coax and fight the “yet-to-be-mutated-copy” of Covid-19 virus, NOT any variant that evolved thereafter.

    Virus mutation cultivate a EVOLVING puzzle-solving mystery to Science WHEREAS the mRNA is a PROBLEM-SOLVING untested “solution”.

    In analogy, problem solving is 1 +1 = 2 of perfect correct outcome but what when the virus mutation presents a riddle/mystery of puzzle of 1 + 1 + unknown constant/s?

    The “correct” answer – SURELY – cannot be 2 + UNKNOWN to the double mutant of the India Covid-19 virus, right??

    CAN YOU THEN – INVENT AND INJECT – the new Covid-19 puzzle-solving vaccine into the body-host ALREADY VACCINATED with the problem-solving vaccine?

    I HAVE NO ANSWER TO THAT RIDDLE EITHER, do you @ TKL?

    @ GeneVac is absolutely right to lecture you on this

    GeneVac: Hope you can investigate & keep us informed rather than extrapolate!

    You are making and publishing your own wild speculations. Or is it not?

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  • WP Voter:

    Ehh… The Pfizer vaccine is 95% effective. This means 5% vaccinated could still get the virus. Getting the virus is not the end of the world. Protecting the weak (with other medical conditions) and vulnerable (older and obese people) is of primary importance.

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  • oxygen:

    @ WP Voter

    Pfizer and other available vaccines are NOT TESTED for efficacy of those over 60. There wasn’t such volunteer who turned up for trial testing.

    WP Voter: Ehh… The Pfizer vaccine is 95% effective. This means 5% vaccinated could still get the virus. Getting the virus is not the end of the world. Protecting the weak (with other medical conditions) and vulnerable (older and obese people) is of primary importance.

    Which is why former German Chancellor, A. Merkel and French PM refused to take the vaccine initially.

    Merkel says she won’t take AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine because she’s too old, as 1.4 million jabs are left unused

    https://www.businessinsider.com/angela-merkel-wont-take-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-2021-2

    Your post claims are just WINDY HAPPY CONTRADICTIONS.

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  • Dr. Chan:

    @WP Voter
    Don’t know how many trials Pfizer did to derive at 95% effective. Normally vaccines take years to develop study data – have to do it for different age groups, sex, people with different pre-existing condition, race, blood type, genetic make-up etc.
    And over time what kind of severe adverse they can cause the body to develop. I try but I can’t find any of those reports.
    So basically, we, peasants, are just lab rats. We can take our chances with the CCP virus or risk dying from the un-tested vaccines down the road. The beneficiary is the Government and big Pharm making big money of your tax dollars.

    Dr. Chan
    Pathologist

    P.S. Because CCP would not let WHO to fully/thoroughly investigate their Wuhan lab, the international community is therefore unable to gather full evidence of its origins.
    However, deduction can be made that most natural occurring viruses do not behave in this manner. (This is just my humble opinion – not accusing any government. I apologize in advance is this offend anyone)

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  • nathan chen:

    Correction

    What is the effect of the vaccine on people already tested positive for the covid 19 virus?

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    What’s the fuss ?

    Certain % of population Vaccination done.

    Mask still on vs Israel mask off.

    Occasionally some cases is norm.

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  • nathan chen:

    Prof Kenneth Mak, the Medical Director Service who sits in the Multitask Force together with Ministers Gan Kim Yong and Lawerence Wong observes that when a vaccine covid-19 sceptic is infected, he will suffer more severely than one who is vaccinated with the covid-19 vaccine. Many health care experts are of the same opinion. What is the use if these vaccines cannot immune us from the virus or any of its family variants, but it will help you suffer less and gasping for your last breath. I can’t held think the MDS and our health care professionals are now doing a climb-down and are being defensive. There are also similar empirical evidence to show there are thousands who have died painfully in India who have been vaccinated with the covid-19 vaccines. I do not have the proof, but common sense will tell you there is a high probability in India due to alarm high rate of deaths every day both the covid-19 vaccines sceptics and the optimists burnt like flies and suffered the same painful death from the specific India variant coronavirus.

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  • Facing the fear:

    Cause of Death Odds of Dying
    Heart disease 1 in 6
    Cancer 1 in 7
    Number of people vaccinated as of today—-1,210,000,000;1.21 Billion
    If vaccinations cause death the streets will be filled with dead bodies by now. All governments would be overthrown by now.
    All of us have to bring ourselves to face the Fear-Devil inside us.
    The facts speak for itself; we can choose fear and ignore it and continue to live in delusion.
    Conquer your fear and live again!

    Can u just shut up?:
    Can u just shut up? You are no experts. The small percentage is still human life. Hope to see you falling into the small percentage, however small they are!

    Tech: The problem with your argument is that Cancer is a condition that is NOT chosen but contracted (not by choice), however, to get vaccinated, it’s a choice and a decision one make, therefore it can be said that one choose to increase the risk of dying from the vaccine. Since the vaccine has been proven that it does not create an immunity to the variants of C-19 virus, why bother to take the risk?

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  • Please prove cases in all:

    Facing the fear:
    Cause of DeathOdds of Dying
    Heart disease1 in 6
    Cancer1 in 7
    Number of people vaccinated as of today—-1,210,000,000;1.21 Billion
    If vaccinations cause death the streets will be filled with dead bodies by now. All governments would be overthrown by now.
    All of us have to bring ourselves to face the Fear-Devil inside us.
    The facts speak for itself; we can choose fear and ignore it and continue to live in delusion.
    Conquer your fear and live again!

    Tech: The problem with your argument is that Cancer is a condition that is NOT chosen but contracted (not by choice), however, to get vaccinated, it’s a choice and a decision one make, therefore it can be said that one choose to increase the risk of dying from the vaccine. Since the vaccine has been proven that it does not create an immunity to the variants of C-19 virus, why bother to take the risk?

    TKL, What fact?? Please prove that there are zero death, no heart cases upon vaccination. What delusion? I have seen my sibling affected by the injury through the jab and spending thousands in hospital. Of course, it is as always nothing to do with the jab. Thank God for my good judgement in not voting you in the last presidential election. Only when you or any or your relatives affected as in the small percentage, only then you could come to your senses.

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  • Dr Kapia fully vaccinated:

    “Dr. Kapila was fully vaccinated. So it’s not necessarily true that the vaccine will lessen the symptoms if you get infected. The experimental vaccine trials are all the way to 2023 so frankly any claims made by the drug companies or authorities are still premature. MOH repeatedly saying symptoms will be less if vaccinated is misleading.

    https://www.google.co.id/amp/s/www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/renowned-infectious-diseases-expert-dr-rajendra-kapila-81-dies-of-covid19-101620168008338-amp.html

    Hindustan Times (https://www.google.co.id/amp/s/www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/renowned-infectious-diseases-expert-dr-rajendra-kapila-81-dies-of-covid19-101620168008338-amp.html)
    Renowned infectious diseases expert Dr Rajendra Kapila, 81, dies of Covid-19
    Dr Kapila worked extensively on HIV-AIDS, trained many people in the field and practised at Rutgers University for 50 years.”

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  • @ Tech:

    @ The problem with your argument is that Cancer is a condition that is NOT chosen but contracted (not by choice), however, to get vaccinated, it’s a choice and a decision one make, therefore it can be said that one choose to increase the risk of dying from the vaccine. Since the vaccine has been proven that it does not create an immunity to the variants of C-19 virus, why bother to take the risk?

    Usual stupid excuse. Just like your stroke, not by choice right ?
    LJ ok. If you have a very healthy disclipline lifestyle , okay its justified you blame god or whoever. But shit, you enjoy in China right ? Cheap beers and tasty foods or cuisines ( their food safety leave it aside first ). Eat to your heart content or like no tomorrow. China’s food more towards too salty or too sweet.
    Next Dont even bother to do any sports or running or yoga or whatever.

    After many years, you said not by choice or i also dont want tis to happen.

    BS who ?

    Tech: Healthy people also kenna Cancer, there are plenty of people I know who did, so IMHO, it is still why bother to increase the chances of dying from the vaccine, when one doesn’t have to take that risk? However, I do acknowledge that it is a matter of “to each his own”, therefore I won’t stop anybody from getting vaccinated just to have that FALSE SENSE of security.

    @ Dr Kapia fully vaccinated

    Precisely, MOH weren’t lying when they made the claim, because “lessen the symptoms” does not mean the person won’t get infected or die from it, just that the symptoms no longer will show up “strongly”. So it can be said that now those who got vaccinated are “walking carriers” because they no longer show the symptoms. More jialut and scarry right?

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  • oxygen:

    # @ Tech:

    ME THINKS TOO that @ Tech is correct – it is the INCREMENTAL RISK he would avoid by his mere considered decision in the avoidance of taking the vaccine which is unproductive of protection touted in officialdom and mainstream media.

    That is the same logic found in most cases of vaccine hesitancy elsewhere.

    We’re entering the harder phase’ of coronavirus vaccination

    .
    https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-vaccination-next-phase-184924425.html

    “…… the fact that reportedly 5 million Americans haven’t returned for their second doses, which are required for the Pfizer (PFE) and Moderna (MRNA) vaccines. Pfizer’s vaccine is roughly 52% effective after one dose (95% after both doses), while Moderna’s is about 80.2% (94.1% effective after both doses)….”

    Mind you, this 5 million who skipped their second doses are among the eager early adopters who rushed in at the first opportunity to get vaccinated.

    THEY TURNED COLD EVEN THOUGH THEY KNEW IN ADVANCE A SECOND DOSE IS NECESSARY for a higher level of claimed “protection” promise against the risks they know of their hurried willing participation of the first dose!

    SO IT IS ENTIRELY LOGICAL if someone being aware of the risks of vaccination WANTS TO EXERCISE HIS OR HER OWN CONSIDERED DECISION CHOICE NOT TO PARTICIPATE of risks avoidance. It is their health and life at stake.

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  • Stat vs Stat:

    There are now 3,240,000 confirmed Covid deaths and rising fast.
    How many confirmed covid-vaccine death are there; ZERO.
    But everybody and his brother-in-law know of somebody that died soon after vaccination.
    However pre-covid, 150,000 people die EVERYDAY from various causes, old age included.
    Looking at the stats, we really need to fear the correct danger.
    All vaccine have side -effects, that is how our body should work when our immune system is activated.
    Yes, conquer your fear and begin to live again.

    Facing the fear:
    Cause of DeathOdds of Dying
    Heart disease1 in 6
    Cancer1 in 7
    Number of people vaccinated as of today—-1,210,000,000;1.21 Billion
    If vaccinations cause death the streets will be filled with dead bodies by now. All governments would be overthrown by now.
    All of us have to bring ourselves to face the Fear-Devil inside us.
    The facts speak for itself; we can choose fear and ignore it and continue to live in delusion.
    Conquer your fear and live again!

    Tech: The problem with your argument is that Cancer is a condition that is NOT chosen but contracted (not by choice), however, to get vaccinated, it’s a choice and a decision one make, therefore it can be said that one choose to increase the risk of dying from the vaccine. Since the vaccine has been proven that it does not create an immunity to the variants of C-19 virus, why bother to take the risk?

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  • oxygen:

    @ Stats vs stat

    Zero death from vaccine? You kidding yourself! Professor Delores Cahill said there is over 120 medical terminology used in death certificates – ranging from “sudden adverse event to sudden collapse, to no response to ticklish stimulation, to no pulse detected to complications unspecified etc etc etc” EXCEPT THE WORD “DEATH”.

    Of course, no death from vaccination – THERE IS NO CATEGORY AVAILABLE TO CLASSIFY DEATH FROM VACCINATION.

    You idiot.

    Stat vs Stat: There are now 3,240,000 confirmed Covid deaths and rising fast.
    How many confirmed covid-vaccine death are there; ZERO.
    But everybody and his brother-in-law know of somebody that died soon after vaccination.
    However pre-covid, 150,000 people die EVERYDAY from various causes, old age included.
    Looking at the stats, we really need to fear the correct danger.
    All vaccine have side -effects, that is how our body should work when our immune system is activated.
    Yes, conquer your fear and begin to live again.

    This explains why these are happening reported in OZ media.

    “The TGA, however, already concluded a likely link between the AstraZeneca vaccine and the death of a 48-year-old NSW woman, who died in hospital from blood clots one day after receiving the vaccine.”

    Read on

    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2021-04/29/c_139914308.htm

    Why did the Australian Health Minister and also the national chief medical officer BOTH SILENT on those death attributing to conflicting medical interpretation of causes (OTHER THAN THE NSW WOMAN)?

    The public backlash will demand -SHOW PROOF or hand in your job. Or the chief medical officer/govt adviser might contradict the Minister – in which case all hell break lose!

    AND OF COURSE, THE TGA HAVE TO DENY THE VACCINATION CAUSATION ATTRIBUTION – its panel of so-called experts (me thinks they are better as circus buskers and/or carnival jesters) authorised the vaccines admits publicly they are “incompetent”.

    TGA -just like hea

    All the health regulators globally, HAS TO DENY ALL DEATHS FROM CASES TO LIMIT POSSIBLE.

    BE A BIT CLEVER @ Stat vs Stat – health regulators are like LEOPARDS, THEY NEVER CHANGE THEIR SPOTS (storyline) but they do CLIMB DIFFERENT TREES nearby at about the same time!

    Don’t get eaten up by leopards!

    Leopards are very smart specie – they take their kills and stash them in trees. By dragging what they’ve caught up into the branches, they protect their food from scavengers and other predators that might come and steal their precious catch.

    Don’t you know?

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  • oxygen:

    Ooops typo error, sorry

    the paragraph below

    oxygen: All the health regulators globally, HAS TO DENY ALL DEATHS FROM CASES TO LIMIT POSSIBLE.

    should be read as

    oxygen: All the health regulators globally, HAS TO DENY ALL DEATHS FROM VACCINATION CASES TO LIMIT POSSIBLE public backlash with demands for “please explain”.

    As the wisdom saying goes – if you must lie, be brief and if you are caught lying, keep silence.

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  • oxygen:

    FULLY-VACCINATED INDIAN AMERICAN DOCTOR with Pfizer BioNtech vaccine also met his maker whilst on his mission to save lives in India.

    Vaccinated American doctor dies after travelling to India to help with Covid, say reports

    https://sg.yahoo.com/news/vaccinated-american-doctor-dies-travelling-231602154.html

    Another 88 yr old cleaner vaccinated double dose, didn’t survive the infection (after vaccination)

    Fully-vaccinated cleaner, 88, among 2 new community COVID cases in Singapore

    https://sg.yahoo.com/news/2-community-cases-among-18-new-covid-infections-in-singapore-081752471.html

    Vaccination any good? Or giving false hopes of promised protection?

    Or turning those vaccinated into walking pathogen silently transmitting more infection whilst asymptomatic?

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  • k:

    What a pathetic display of ignorance. I went through every comment and everyone, including a so called Dr, were actually admitting that they did not know what they were talking about.

    1. What is immunity? In this case, immunity is not that you have a shield around you and the virus cannot attack you or penetrate your shield. I used this analogy to make it very simple for the ignoramus.

    Whether you are vaccinated or not, the virus can still attack you. Vaccination prepares your body to produce the right antibodies to fight the virus, not virus becomes weaker. The system of a vaccinated person is more well prepared to produce antibodies to fight the virus, as the body is already trained to do it when dead virus, or mRNA were injected during vaccination. Understand?

    A vaccinated person is likely to kill the virus at the initial stage, when they were few. So it appears that the person is ‘immuned’ or the virus cannot attack him. A non vaccinated person’s body would have to start anew to fight the virus entering his body, more difficult and stressful to fight.

    2. Efficacy can mean many things. Keeping the infection mild, preventing serious cases, preventing admission to hospital, preventing death?
    What do they mean by 95% efficacy? Only 5% would be infected? This is too generalised to explain efficacy. Need to be more specific eg different age group etc etc. Therefore, a 95% efficacy is likely a marketing statement that would not be the case in different individuals and age groups etc.

    3. At most a second dose should do the job. Vaccination is to train the body to respond in producing the right antibodies to fight the particular virus. This goes into the memory of the body and would be there for a reasonable time. Maybe after 3 years or longer, the memory and body system may not respond as fast and as strong as before.

    4. Using dead virus method, body only has to deal with a fixed number of dead virus. Body only needs to do just that much work. If body is weak, not much harm as dead virus could not do more harm and would be flushed out by the system.

    5. mRNA induces the body to produce more mRNAs. If produces little, body needs to produce lesser antibodies to fight. No problem. If too much mRNAs are produced, this is a variable depending on individuals, body needs to produce more antibodies to fight, causing more stress. mRNA and antibodies need ingredients to produce.

    What if body is weak, unable to destroy all mRNAs, the remaining mRNAs will stay in the body. See the problem?

    6. mRNA is a version of DNA, basic building block of genes/chromosomes. They attach freely with other DNAs in the body. If the number is large enough, injected dose after dose, as recommended by the profit making companies, the chances of mutation will be higher. Some will end up with mutation of genes ie, mutants in the future. This is a small possibility but cannot be ruled out. This is the risk for playing around with DNAs. Clear?

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  • oxygen:

    AND WATCH OUT FOR THIS not even comprehend by Science yet of Covid-19.

    ‘We’re really in the early days of understanding neurological issues with COVID-19

    https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-neurological-issues-covid-19-132123872.html

    So what is the relevance and beneficial contribution of current vaccines when science knows so little of the long-term effects of Covid-19 ?

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