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Singapore’s direction towards racial tolerance and harmony

I don’t understand why Minister Shanmugam is not so sure about Singapore’s direction towards racial tolerance and harmony.

It is very simple to understand. Monkey see, Monkey do. If the government promotes racial superiority and discriminates against minority races, how do you expect society to turn out? No need to chase ghosts. The ghosts are all within the PAP.

I do not think it is a good idea to prosecute this Chinese man. Criminal prosecutions and jail terms do not change the man or solve our society’s problems. The man did not use force and no one was injured. Let there be open discussions on race and religion.

 

Teo Soh Lung

 

 

 

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32 Responses to “Singapore’s direction towards racial tolerance and harmony”

  • mike:

    When harmony is about authoritative control, limit speech, suppress dissent…
    Than clear rules, debate and agree to disagree….

    It will be in eternal cycle of fake harmony until it explode.

    SG unfortunately is moving towards a fake society. We will not know when someone beside us will implode or explode into butterflies.

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  • Sama Sama:

    Frankly, with PAP as G, I’m also “not so sure” where are we heading. But one thing we are very sure – you die your business.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    mike:
    When harmony is about authoritative control, limit speech, suppress dissent…
    Than clear rules, debate and agree to disagree….

    It will be in eternal cycle of fake harmony until it explode.

    SG unfortunately is moving towards a fake society. We will not know when someone beside us will implode or explode into butterflies.

    Ok.. Mike. So you want free speech. How free should it be ?

    Should hate or inflammatory speech be allowed under the pretext of free speech ?

    The answer is No as this learned Judge had shown.

    https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2021/did-donald-trump-intentionally-incite-violence-with-his-language-it-doesnt-matter/

    First Amendment freedoms and responsibilities, Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., in a dissenting opinion in the 1919 case of Abrams v. U.S., wrote: The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic.”

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  • ganeshsk:

    The man was just expressing his disgust, tat is not hate speech or racism perse.He was expressing an opinion. Maybe he was not eloquent. But he does accept certain norms that other find comfortable.

    So live and let it be. Just give him a subtle warning and tell him to keep his opinions to himself.

    I don’t think he should lose his job either or the police should ever prosecute him.

    As minority myself and minorities everywhere for that matter I think one should recognise there are challenges.

    I don’t tolerate abuse be it minorities or anyone.

    But the above incident has happened many times before, Social media is able to highlight it these days. That’s all.

    Lets not get overboard but take home important lessons on how we can accept differences humanely even if we are un comfortable with it. It s not easy but everyone should ry.

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  • @M I K E:

    Your comment here is very well said. Fake society. Fake data. Fake accusations. Fake concern. Fake umbrage. Fake aghast. Fake kindness. Fake etc.

    mike:
    When harmony is about authoritative control, limit speech, suppress dissent…
    Than clear rules, debate and agree to disagree….

    It will be in eternal cycle of fake harmony until it explode.

    SG unfortunately is moving towards a fake society. We will not know when someone beside us will implode or explode into butterflies.

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  • Temusik Patriot:

    Aiyah!!! Lung u n I know Racism exist even in Ivory Towers to the ordinary folks leh! Always a agenda to score points…livr with it as part of an illusion created by an e**l man who tops the list as a Racist but he is King Kong You hor???

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  • Conono Virus:

    Recently :
    1. One indian SG said in house about concern about which religion is subscribed to by the majority of a certain House. A indian SG on the opposite side of the aisle echoed the same.

    2. He lambaste those who used the term India variant .

    3. He took issue with the racist remark of a Chinese against a indian SG with a Chinese gf.

    While there are good reasons for these lambasting, could it not lead to racial tensions? How would some in majority Chinese feel? A not so good indian SG in future could show off his Chinese gf to spike at Chinese men. How then? He can say, you not happy ? Racist?

    Is this indian SG exiting the scene soon and so he…..

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  • will get more interesting:

    //It will be in eternal cycle of fake harmony until it explode.//

    hahahaha. with more chat-ba-lang ppl (more diverse back-ground with their own unique cultural behaviors (or “idiosyncrasies” ??) of viewing among one another ???) and competing for jobs / employment / space / businesses etc. from sinkie land open-leg policies, the “harmony” that the white idiots and gang would wish to build under their one-party curry function will get more interesting ???

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  • Gone are the days:

    mike:
    When harmony is about authoritative control, limit speech, suppress dissent…
    Than clear rules, debate and agree to disagree….

    It will be in eternal cycle of fake harmony until it explode.

    SG unfortunately is moving towards a fake society. We will not know when someone beside us will implode or explode into butterflies.

    Couldn’t agreed more that we are moving towards a fake society. It is disgusting to observe officers in statutory and gov org behaving with lack of integrity, honesty and professionalism to the extent of herd bullying of citizens even in cases where quality award has been given to said individual. We have levels and level of control in mgt but all just point back to the same problem creator and allow the same to permutate in its rottening state. In the name of Quality Management and yet without due escalation to ensure due resolution but yet pointing back to the same problematic officer. The entire Quality management system has failed. At least during LKY, he ensures that if the problem is not solved, the overall head has to go but it is not the case now. It goes round and round and again back to the same problematic officer with the problem status quo into years. What a sad society we have digressed into now!

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  • liew mun leong must be jailed:

    we believed strongly in our pledge.

    believed. past tense of believe.

    but when pap said we needed a malay president and proceeded to appoint an INDIAN one, we no longer believe in our pledge.

    nowadays, we tell folks who are hiring within earshot, your market is not ready for this race because it is poorer by S$ and smaller in number by number of mouths.

    to date, we have not been POFMA’ed. because we are just using the same words of pap, being ready for this race not ready for that race.

    that race has become an issue in once great small island Singapore is due to pap’s doing.

    look at it again, carefully. pap says Singapore is ready for a malay president (pap uses the race criterion) and proceeded to appoint an INDIAN one (pap again uses the race criterion).

    so we also have started to follow pap’s example, in ditching our pledge and in saying, Singapore is ready for an INDIAN prime minister.

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  • Asd:

    I think history shown race has thrived and survived adversaries race is essential

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  • Asd:

    I think where is free speech and why can’t somebody give advise to others about race to maintain harmony or was he violently enforcing his race opinion on others

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  • Asd:

    I think policy of ethnic group for poor housing estate shows the divide and discriminatory distinctively

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  • Dio leh Luo MO:

    Don’t be stupid. This is not a national issue and should not be make into one. Inter-race marriage has always been accepted in Singapore, beginning from as early as in the 70s, even for some couples from conservatives’ family of the older generation.

    Singapore’s Chinese women are the go-getter types. Most will go after wealth, and social status if they can. They always marry up, not down. The higher, the better. Many of our past and present PAP ministers have Chinese wives. Rajaretnam had a European wife, Tharman had a Japanese, even Vivian and Shanmugan won’t feel discriminated by the Chinese.hahaha

    Shanmugam, is unsure now because of a single incident that has gone viral on the internet. I am sure that as trigger-happy, Shanmugam will enact more legislations with enhanced penalty as the one and only cure for our society gone mad.hahaha.

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  • opposition dude:

    Teo Soh Lung needs to go read the report on the chinese guy. Specifically what he said to the indian guy. It’s easy to say “The man did not use force and no one was injured.” but the words that came out of his mouth were hurtful and just downright rude. How would you like it if someone came up to you and said that your race is preying on another race? Would you just smile and walk off?

    The name of the chinese bugger has not been revealed. If the name is a PRC name then it would not surprise me since China is homogeneous. As for PAP playing the race card, that is all too well known. What we citizens should ensure is that we do not blindly follow what the government does when it’s not right.

    Tech: I think he is a lecturer at some local Poly lor.

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  • xoxo:

    Racist?
    I am not!
    I am hoping PAP makes MR THARMAN THE SEC GEN N BECOME PM OF SG!
    WHO ARE THE RACISTS HERE,WHO?

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  • Asd:

    I think history shows race exist and for a good cause such as Russians cohesively defeat aggressor while Britian combining with others were not cohesive as a force so retreat or surrender to aggressor

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  • liew mun leong must be jailed:

    xoxo:
    Racist?
    I am not!
    I am hoping PAP makes MR THARMAN THE SEC GEN N BECOME PM OF SG!
    WHO ARE THE RACISTS HERE,WHO?

    very well said. agree. Singapore is as ready for an INDIAN prime minister today as it is already ready for an INDIAN president.

    for that matter, why not Ms Sylvia Lim as prime minster?

    who says the prime minister of racist Singapore must be a man?

    and worse still, haven’t we seen enough of pap paper generals to know anyone with a military background is not suitable for anything outside the military? need examples? look at pap clown. look at George Yeo who lost Aljunied grc. look at fatty in NOL SPH. look at botak who was previously in AStar. look at quack who once was with smrt. look at everyone of those, especially lying pinoochio teo chee hean. look at them. all no good. all utter fail.

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  • Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    Actually, the Chinese guy did nothing technically illegal, as he could be construed as just having a heated discourse with strangers on the street.
    He is just being stupid for saying out loud things which should not be voiced out loud.

    There is no law to say you cannot have a heated exchange or disagreement with somebody, as long as you don’t come to physical blows. That is why that “Shamefulgum” is HELPLESS and all he can do is fan the flames of online mob justice – to do the job for him.

    Worst scenario is that the Indian guy can hire a lawyer to pursue a civil case against the Chinese guy (for claimed mental trauma to his date or verbal abuse? etc.) and let the judge decide who wins, or if there is any merit in the case.

    Just bear in mind, the Chinese guy can also counter-sue back for trauma caused by the Indian guy for uploading this video online causing him to be doxed and publicly shamed.

    Remember the case years back of that – “Is it because I’m Chinese” girl who video her Malay Grab driver??
    Although, the Malay Grab driver was calm and praised for his behavior under pressure, in the end, it was the Malay Grab driver who was censured for uploading the video online.

    You may spite each other by filming using your mobile phones, but it would be invasion of privacy if you upload that video for broad access….and thus liable to be sued.

    Anyway, all these “racist” sentiments are just fluff. I have good Malay and Indian friends/colleagues. There are always good & bad in ANY race.
    I also don’t mean to say the Chinese guy is any more “racist” than you or me.

    If you really think about it, EVERYONE is a little bit “racist” to some extent. Just ask yourself if you can accept your own children dating or even marrying say a black African person?
    If you can accept it without a shred of hesitation, then you can say you are not racist but how many can do it?

    Even “Lee Con You” (the suppose architect of our multicultural city-state) also REJECTED and actively PREVENTED his own daughter from dating/marrying an Indian (Singaporean) guy. That is a well-known true story that only older Sinkies will know. So, by definition, “Lee Con You” will have to be a “racist” too? lol.

    Its easy to talk about “multi-racial integration” (concerning general society or other people), but when it concerns yourself or your own family, things will be different.

    Some things in society is best accepted PRIVATELY and NOT spoken out loud.
    Its like asking your Dad how he made you with Mom. You do NOT talk about it but you and me just know lah.

    Live and let live and to each their own.
    If adults want to date/marry different colors, its their personal choice and I don’t kaypoh them; but if its my own children, I may not be able to accept it, but I will still keep it PRIVATE within the family.

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  • Promote Peace & Racial Harmony:

    Since this subject have been brought into the open, lets discuss it then.

    In my opinion, Ngee An Poly should not punish this senior lecturer as he is expressing his personal view by giving advice from an elderly to the younger generation. He did not insult or injure the young Indian man. The advice has nothing to do with the Poly. You mean he is not allowed to express his own view ? Is Ngee Ann run by an Indian?

    It seems that many complaints lodged against him come from the Indians and Eurasians. Why ? Do they have anything against the Chinese race ?

    This 60 years Chinese old man is not wrong in his advice. He can see the future. In Singapore, we have the Malays, Indians, Chinese and Eurasians living together and these people are proud of their own race, language, religion and heritage. Nothing wrong with that.

    He can see the need to maintain the existing racial quota to have peace and harmony. If the majority of the Chinese girls were to marry Indians, Europeans and other non Chinese men, the Chinese majority would be reduced to become a minority. Is this what the local Chinese population want ?

    Would there be fighting, riots, killings etc to ensure the survival of their race and heritage ? The same thing will apply to the other races in Singapore. Think for our future generation.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    opposition dude:
    How would you like it if someone came up to you and said that your race is preying on another race? Would you just smile and walk off?

    So does Free Speech include hate speech or inflammatory speech such as this you mentioned ?

    https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2021/did-donald-trump-intentionally-incite-violence-with-his-language-it-doesnt-matter/

    Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., in a dissenting opinion in the 1919 case of Abrams v. U.S., wrote: The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic.”

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  • Asd:

    I think was there any company that practised racist employment such that a large percentage of the company is make up of a race such that even ministries must look into

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  • mike:

    Dear @ Singaporeans R Free Riders

    Limit speech vs Free Speech what do you think are the differences?

    Who determines hate or inflammatory speech? The one who see hate speech as hate or the one see it as another voice?

    I am saying, continue to limit speech ultimately will get an explosive result, it is predictable.

    Debate is the way to bring problems on to the surface and face it. Whether a solution is created or not, awareness is the crucial first step. If one does not recognise an issue, naturally there will not have solutions.

    A long term suppression of expression deepen the problem to sub-surface. Soon, it became invisible but the issue does not disappear, it only transform to another form.

    Agree to disagree brings acknowledgement to one another’s view on an issue and comes to common point that a solution is not yet established.

    OR the common approach of those with absolute power, see itself as absolute authority, facilitated with absolute knowledge with absolute solution? Would such body of power also be the absolute responsible party of a problem goes undesirably wrong? Never, the people are always the one facing the result of an bad decision.

    How free should it be? It depends on how much power you want to restrict it.

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: Ok.. Mike. So you want free speech. How free should it be ?

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  • mike:

    I share the same view as you do.

    There were a few times i travelled in a public bus where some locals will shout at innocent chinese to get out of the country. And, there were always other locals who shout back at these discriminating locals to shut up! And driver who will ask such badly behaved discriminating locals to leave the bus if he or she continue his or her poor behaviour.

    And many times, i will see those locals who stand up for ‘justice’ asking whether those ‘verbally abused’ chinese were feeling alright or not and apologized on behalf.

    But unfortunately, SGrean do not behave in such way. We mostly do not have the courage to stand up for what is right or just. SG problem is deeper and complicated.

    ganeshsk:
    The man was just expressing his disgust, tat is not hate speech or racism perse.He was expressing an opinion. Maybe he was not eloquent. But he does accept certain norms that other find comfortable.

    So live and let it be. Just give him a subtle warning and tell him to keep his opinions to himself.

    I don’t think he should lose his job either or the police should ever prosecute him.

    As minority myself and minorities everywhere for that matter I think one should recognise there are challenges.

    I don’t tolerate abuse be it minorities or anyone.

    But the above incident has happened many times before, Social media is able to highlight it these days. That’s all.

    Lets not get overboard but take home important lessons on how we can accept differences humanely even if we are un comfortable with it. It s not easy but everyone should ry.

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  • mike:

    I do agree that although LKY ran the country with iron fist, he recognized individual’s capability and willing to hear inputs no matter how hard it is as long they were sincere and solve problems effectively.

    But it was past tense.

    Gone are the days: At least during LKY, he ensures that if the problem is not solved, the overall head has to go but it is not the case now. It goes round and round and again back to the same problematic officer with the problem status quo into years. What a sad society we have digressed into now!

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  • House of laughing hyenas:

    An indian person may also say the same if a chinese man has his arms wrapped around an indian lady along orchard road?

    Or maybe we live in a perfect world where we dont abuse our powers?

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  • free choice:

    Let people have their free choice…they will have to live with it.
    It is up to them…no point to interfere.

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  • mike:

    Perhaps it’s time that reports should also be made to counters those complaints.
    To keep the man-in-blue busy? Since now catching non-mask is more busy than catching thieves.

    Spineless Sinkie Syndrome::

    It seems that many complaints lodged against him come from the Indians and Eurasians. Why ? Do they have anything against the Chinese race ?

    My wife and i warned our nieces since they were young, that if they married someone we don’t like, we will not be attending their marriage. Not that they should be bothered, as we couldn’t be bothered if they don’t.

    We all discriminate in one way or another. But yes, we keep it within our family. The largest discrimination of all is always by the state itself.

    Spineless Sinkie Syndrome::

    If you really think about it, EVERYONE is a little bit “racist” to some extent. Just ask yourself if you can accept your own children dating or even marrying say a black African person?

    That’s a good piece of advice, within the family.

    We did that all the times to our family members, advising them to choose their partners carefully. Just like we advised them no tatoo until after 21 they can decide for themselves, no drugs or we will stop seeing each other, and choose your partner’s color wisely or we will not attend your weddings.

    Spineless Sinkie Syndrome::

    Live and let live and to each their own.
    If adults want to date/marry different colors, its their personal choice and I don’t kaypoh them; but if its my own children, I may not be able to accept it, but I will still keep it PRIVATE within the family.

    With that, it’s a timely reminder that why those people got no balls to make police report on HDB for making racial quota? Many residents unable to effectively BUY or SELL particular HDB flats caused by restrictions on racial quotas, ain’t that racist? I have an indian friend who had been trying to sell his flat for 10 YEARS but not able to sell it away because he can ONLY SELL TO INDIAN because of HDB racial quota!

    Why IC or birth cert need to state race, is that racist? Why hawker center separate chinese stall vs indian or malay stall, is that racist? Why we call the place little india, racist? Is ‘Geylang Serai Malay Market’ the world Malay racist? Why we call china town as china town, racist?

    It’s time the gov remove all those racists restrictions. Calling singaporean not ready for non-chinese PM IS RACIST.

    Promote Peace & Racial Harmony::
    … maintain the existing racial quota to have peace and harmony.

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  • Indian Rojak:

    There have been many comments from different groups reacting to the ” Indian men preying on Chinese girls ” remark by a Chinese observer.

    However interestingly enough, no stakeholders such as the INDIAN WOMEN themselves had anything to say up till now.

    It would be good and fair to also hear their views on their man folks ditching them for anothet race.

    I believe indian men have a fondness of light and fair skin oriental women.

    If they find it hard to “PREY” the Ang Moh girls, then their next choice would be the Chinese girls and if this preference is still a hard reach, then maybe they will try their lucky catch on PINAYS.

    NO PRAWNS, FISH ALSO CAN -LAH.

    Take a look at our public social landscape.

    From the late 1980s when Pinay maids are allowed to work here, quite many local indian men marry them.

    I believe Dave Prakash’s parents are most likely people from this era.

    Then, take another look at another south asian migrants – Bangladeshis also going after PINAYS.

    WHY ? Their fondness of fair skin girls for which their indian women lacked.

    In India, fair and light skin creams and lotions are popular and in great demand at pharmacies and beauty
    product stores and salons.

    I also tend to believe that their Miss Universe contestants used them too.

    So if my theory is right, lets get some views from the local indian women that their men are ditching them for oriental chicks.

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  • Gone are the days!:

    mike:
    Dear @ Singaporeans R Free Riders

    Limit speech vs Free Speech what do you think are the differences?

    Who determines hate or inflammatory speech? The one who see hate speech as hate or the one see it as another voice?

    I am saying, continue to limit speech ultimately will get an explosive result, it is predictable.

    Debate is the way to bring problems on to the surface and face it. Whether a solution is created or not, awareness is the crucial first step. If one does not recognise an issue, naturally there will not have solutions.

    A long term suppression of expression deepen the problem to sub-surface. Soon, it became invisible but the issue does not disappear, it only transform to another form.

    Agree to disagree brings acknowledgement to one another’s view on an issue and comes to common point that a solution is not yet established.

    OR the common approach of those with absolute power, see itself as absolute authority, facilitated with absolute knowledge with absolute solution? Would such body of power also be the absolute responsible party of a problem goes undesirably wrong? Never, the people are always the one facing the result of an bad decision.

    How free should it be? It depends on how much power you want to restrict it.

    Thanks for the sharing. Agree too.

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  • Blame the west:

    opposition dude: How would you like it if someone came up to you and said that your race is preying on another race? Would you just smile and walk off?

    Many Western European leaders are saying that China Hans must not mix with China Uyghurs. How? Should the Hans and Uyghurs just smile at the Western leaders?

    This poly lecturer must have read too much Western media. If the Europeans can say that openly, he thought he also can do the same. He thought he can also tell Singapore Indians not to mix with Singapore Chinese. Blame SPH/western media for bad influence. Blame gov never probably control SPH.

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  • kaji:

    A man caught on video verbally abusing a store supervisor with vulgarities and racist remarks was fined $4,000 yesterday.

    Mohamed Ali Ramly, 53, pleaded guilty to one count each of harassment and wounding the supervisor’s racial feelings, as well as a charge for failing to wear a mask over his mouth and nose while outside his home.

    According to court documents, the Singaporean left his residence on a bicycle on April 17, intending to buy soya milk from nearby shops. He cycled to three shops in the area near Pioneer Mall and Pioneer MRT station but was turned away as he was not wearing a mask.

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