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Reasons against vaccination

The people who refuse to be vaccinated have the following reasons:

1) Vaccination does not provide full protection against infection. Many vaccinated people are still infected.

2) Vaccination has serious side effects and may be responsible for serious illness and deaths.

3) They may pre-existing conditions that make vaccination harmful.

4) They should not be forced to be vaccinated against their personal decision.

5) They are worried about the long term side effect over the mNRA vaccine. They should be given the choice of using the traditional vaccines (developed from inactivated virus) from China.

I wish to address their concerns as follows:

1) Vaccination does not provide full protection against infection. However, there is overwhelming evidence that it does protect the vaccinated person from serious illness. While they may still be infected, the virus is mild and does not spread widely,

2) There are reports of side effects that cause harm to the vaccinated people. However, the incidence is low, relative to the number of people that have been vaccinated. This low incidence should not be a reason against vaccination, except for the few cases where the incidence is high for people with certain pre-existing medical conditions.

3) People with these pre-existing medical conditions should avoid vaccination, unless they are willing to take the chance on their own volition.

4) I agree that the people who choose not to be vaccination for whatever reason should be allowed to exercise that choice. However, they may have to face the consequence of being unvaccinated. If they get seriously ill from covid, they will have to pay for the cost of hospital treatment after an initial period of free treatment provided to them.

5) I believe that this risk of the long term effect of mNRA is low and has been exaggerated. However I agree that the individual should be given the choice of using the traditional vaccines, if they prefer it. Although the evidence shows the traditional vaccine to have a lower efficacy rate, it is still acceptable.

I encourage people to be vaccinated, unless they have pre-existing conditions that make vaccination unsuitable for them.

 

Tan Kin Lian

 

 

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33 Responses to “Reasons against vaccination”

  • Shenkoji Buchikonya:

    I don’t doubt that genetic vaccines have immediate and much higher percentage efficacy than traditional ones. However, I don’t trust that lab-produced RNA messaging certain cells about proteins is without side effects to the body in the long term. Medical experts admitted that long-term effects are unknown. Messing with nature is causing us dire end-games in many prior endeavors that appeared efficacious in their beginnings.

    I should add to the above that while many healthcare professionals have voiced concerns about the “unknowns that are unknown”, there are in fact many specific questions about the mRNA vaccines’ safety which have thus far been unwisely brushed aside by the vaccine manufacturers and proponents. These cannot be simply ignored: early studies with mRNA vaccines showed they were quite lethal to mice and other animal models, and while the delivery system has markedly improved, the lack of human data is of profound concern for such a relatively untested protocol.

    That said, it cannot be disputed that there is a lack of transparency on what is being done to confirm that those that have indeed taken an mRNA vaccine are indeed still safe. Yes, we have proven the vaccine is effective at stopping COVID-19, but many with underlying conditions want to know the long term effects. How does it affect people with Diabetes? Psoriasis? Osteoarthritis? Till the makers of these drugs can give the facts on how the long term health of these early takers of the vaccine have fared, you will continue to see reluctance across the board to move forward with a vaccination.

    At the beginning of the pandemic we were told by medical experts that vaccines take 3 to 7 years from start to approval because it took that long to verify the short and long term effectiveness and safety of the vaccine before it is prescribed to the general public. That explains how Operation Warp Speed sped up the process. Accelerated development increases risk, but it looks like this method pumped the risk into the financial end, not the quality. People need to understand this tradeoff in order to trust that safety has not been sacrificed. Sure, you can be concerned about the potential that corners may have been cut. It looks like everything was processed according to protocol, but you never know.

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  • Absurdity:

    You believe the long term risk is low without time tested evidence ?
    Your belief is no different from a fortune teller.

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  • Respect:

    Respect people choice.
    No discrimination.
    Everyone is responsible for their action.

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  • oxygen:

    DON’T KNOW IF it is squealing of a political pig or the mooing of a political cow or any other.

    But I smell a lot of flatulence all the same.

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  • Billy ma:

    One of the reasons elderly folks are not keen to do the vaccine is this – ‘I’m OK, so why must I get the injection?’

    It’s the same reason why these folks do not want to go for medical checkup.
    One is that they think they’re not sick why need checkup.
    Two, they’re afraid some serious sicknesses be discovered.
    So it’s better not to know or do such thing.

    People may think this is silly or even stupid but that’s how old folks are, rightly or wrongly.

    Some are suggesting that current wave of infection is a window of opportunity to ‘scare’ the elderly to get the jabs.
    I believe it would indeed give a push for some but still a certain percent will still be very adamant about it.

    That’s how it is.
    No right no wrong.
    Only consequences.

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  • Presidential Election 2022:

    An unvaccinated person cannot qualify to be in the race for Presidency due next year. So those (Eurasians?) who aspire to be the next ‘Madam/Padam’ President please get yourselves vaccinated for the sake of The People! Quick, quick, quick..!

    Don’t ever miss this quintennial diamondial opportunity.

    9 August is fast approaching, though…

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  • oxygen:

    HEADLINE/TITLE OF THIS ARTICLE should be re-phrased as “Vengeance awaiting those opposing vaccination.”

    Without the amendment, the content of read VEERS on Xiao-kow-luang-pui (mad puppy anyhow bark.”

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  • Do not guess, use statistics:

    Absurdity:
    You believe the long term risk is low without time tested evidence ?
    Your belief is no different from a fortune teller.

    If there is uncertainty, the rational thing to do is to do a statistical analysis. Using this it is clear, everybody should be vaccinated unless there is a compelling medical reason not to do it.

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  • PAP is pro-alien party.:

    Straits Times: More non-citizen workers = Fewer local babies?

    This is definitely true. More non-citizen workers results in fewer local babies for the following reasons:

    (1) It depresses local wages and push up prices.

    (2) Many locals lost their jobs to foreigners.

    (3) Less job security for locals.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Do not guess, use statistics

    BUT STATISTICS IS politically-influenced, or incomplete/inaccurate of its compilation.

    Do not guess, use statistics: If there is uncertainty, the rational thing to do is to do a statistical analysis. Using this it is clear, everybody should be vaccinated unless there is a compelling medical reason not to do it.

    Tell me which authority anywhere in the world has designated and assigned to compile and tabulate “statistics” of vaccine side-effects reporting. At the end of a tired, over-stressed slogging day, the near collapsing nursing staff ask the equally exhausted doctors this question – how man vaccine side effects today?

    The answer “for statistic record-keeping” must be zero. OTHERWISE, THE DOCTOR WHO SAY ONE OR TEN OR 25 PATIENTS encountered side-effects (which can’t be immediately detected each day in any case) MUST EXPLAIN TOMORROW before the courtroom of judgment commanded by a POLITICAL COW.

    My best guess is that less than 5% of the vaccine side-effect is reported.

    STATISTICS TELLS LIES IN COVER FOR POLITICAL COWS with different calculus and agenda of public reporting.

    Remember, too, if there is 20 out of 100 has side-effects of actuality and true reporting, the vaccinated clinics/hospitals will ALL be deserted of incoming customers looking for cure-all vaccine of the devil’s lies.

    THE VACCINATION ADVANTAGE CLAIMS ARE ALL “LIAR’S POKER” game play.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Do not guess, use statistics.

    The doctors in hospitals have no time to EAT AND SH*T, how desperate seeking of honesty to truth-telling to add more work pressure on his/her work of healthcare giving to humanity?

    Honest telling by these overworked doctors on vaccine side-effects DOES NOT ADD ANY CONTRIBUTION OR VALUE to their healthcare provision but the distraction/troubled pains of honest telling DEBASED the time/energy (justifying doubtful statistical record giving) and otherwise undivided dedication of healthcare efforts of patient care.

    oxygen: At the end of a tired, over-stressed slogging day, the near collapsing nursing staff ask the equally exhausted doctors this question – how man vaccine side effects today?

    The answer “for statistic record-keeping” must be zero. OTHERWISE, THE DOCTOR WHO SAY ONE OR TEN OR 25 PATIENTS encountered side-effects (which can’t be immediately detected each day in any case) MUST EXPLAIN TOMORROW before the courtroom of judgment commanded by a POLITICAL COW.

    My best guess is that less than 5% of the vaccine side-effect is reported

    I am no doctor but if I am one in this trapped circumstances, I would choose the easy option of least resistance. That is “no vaccine side-effects” – FORGET ABOUT THOSE VACCINE COMPLICATIONS AFTER THE PATIENTS ALREADY LEFT THE VACCINATION CENTRES NEVER TO RETURN OR DIED.

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  • Mad Mad Mad World:

    This mRNA vaccine is really problematic as it doesn’t work like any vaccine which protects but keep the Covid virus circulating globally as it evolves as vaccinated nations with high rate of shots reported virus surge!

    Big pharma say need to give booster shot even after 2 shots. What happen after booster shot? Have another additional booster shot till Kingdom comes!

    Can we stop this mRNA vaccine craze?

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  • Absurdity:

    Do not guess, use statistics: If there is uncertainty, the rational thing to do is to do a statistical analysis. Using this it is clear, everybody should be vaccinated unless there is a compelling medical reason not to do it.

    Please read my comments again.
    I didn’t say evidence. I said time tested evidence.
    I didn’t say risks from what we see now. I said long term risks.
    The vaccines were launched for much less than 2 years. In the medical world, no one who is rational will classify 2 years as long term.
    Long term risks require statistics over a long passage of time to validate.

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  • MarBowling:

    Absurdity:
    July 29, 2021 at 12:24 pm (Quote)
    Do not guess, use statistics: If there is uncertainty, the rational thing to do is to do a statistical analysis. Using this it is clear, everybody should be vaccinated unless there is a compelling medical reason not to do it.
    Please read my comments again.
    I didn’t say evidence. I said time tested evidence.
    I didn’t say risks from what we see now. I said long term risks.
    The vaccines were launched for much less than 2 years. In the medical world, no one who is rational will classify 2 years as long term.
    Long term risks require statistics over a long passage of time to validate.

    Response: Well said. THINK those who have chosen to vaccinate, do so PRIMARILY and MAINLY because of “FEAR”. FEAR that when Kenna INFECTED, WILL MEET THE MAKER sooner than expected! TRUSTING the PAPIGS Coverment and then go for the Holee Jab is SECONDARY, PERIOD! Anyway, they have this Holee Assurance from our World Class Ministerial Trash Force that once VACCINATED even though Kenna INFECTED, CHANCES OF GETTING SERIOUS ILLNESS from Covid19, is MINIMUM! Which is WHY some FamiLEE have the WHOLE HOUSEHOLD vaccinated to be 101% SAFE!

    How about those CHOOSING NOT TO VACCINATE? THINK besides those 5 Holee Reasons expounded by Tan Golden Chain(PHD), the ONE IMPORTANT REASON is that THEY DO NOT HAVE THIS “FEAR” FACTOR! At a ripe old age of above 75, some are NOT AFRAID of DEATH! Some of these elderly folks would PREFER to DIE a Natural Death, or if Kenna Covid19 ACCEPT it and PROCEED TO MEET THE MAKER SOONER THAT EXPECTED!

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  • Protect Aliens Party:

    Congratulations to the pap govt! You have succeeded in dividing the stupid sporeans! And you have also succeeded in pushing the blame on the current covid spike away from the ministries, fast and clean!

    People have now forgotten that it was from the KTV that the covid spread is now unstoppable.
    People are now no longer blaming the MTF for its “ph3-ph2-ph3-ph2 or 2-5-2-0″ stupid decisions.
    People are now divided into vaccinated and non-vaccinated sporeans, arguing about what I think and what you think.
    Vaccinated people are now blaming the non-vaccinated people for not co-operating and…
    Non-vaccinated people are blaming the vaccinated people for interfering with their decisions.

    For Humanity Sake everyone, let’s respect each other’s decision. To each his own. So, mind our own business.

    Majority of us are no scientists nor experts. So what “I believe” or “I think” is just based on what we read, what we see and what we hear. Do not try to convince people with your “I believe” or “I think” bcoz fake materials are everywhere.

    From day 1, govt already says vaccination is voluntary. So, stop trying to influence others. Let people decide.

    Unless Novavax is now available or govt has recognised Sinovac or Sinopharm as approved vaccines, I think vaccinated people should stop calling non-vaxxers as selfish people. You may trust the mRNA but they don’t.

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  • opposition dude:

    Whether a person wants to vaccinate or not is up to the individual. We have been told repeatedly that vaccination protects you and that if you were infected it will be mild. How true this really is we do not yet know. I’m sure we are all waiting for someone who is partially or fully vaccinated to die from the virus and we will use that as undeniable proof that vaccination doesn’t work which will be countered by PAP saying that the virus wasn’t the cause and that it’s only a single death.

    I guess for now it’s wait and see for the unvaccinated people. I see no rush to vaccinate IF you aren’t elderly or have chronic medical conditions. Of course I also can see that the elderly are hesitant since they have also heard and read that some have had heart attacks a few days after getting their first jab.

    After all your favourite holiday destinations of America, Europe, Japan and Korea aren’t exactly opening up their borders soon so why rush to vaccinate? The vaccines are also undergoing further R&D so when version 2 or newer versions of Pfizer/Moderna are manufactured they should work better than those released at the start of the year.

    I’m waiting for the vaccine to be much better so that a person needs only one jab and not 2. Let’s wait until the end of the year or early next year to see if the vaccines have improved by then.

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  • House of laughing hyenas:

    Cos its all a leap of faith. No doctor has signed a Letter of Guarantee in this world.

    Medical science is a work-in-progress given some sort of Indemnity with help from Rich Pharma’s army of highly paod lawyers.

    Scientific Fact is called so because its not the Absolute Fact. No one knows absolute fact. Scientific Fact is based on certain criterias and peer reviews. Its not absolute because the best doctors today only knpw what is equivalent to nothing if we compare it to the vast unknown unknowns in this universe.

    Its a Gamble of sorts

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  • MarBowling:

    opposition dude:
    July 29, 2021 at 4:24 pm (Quote)
    Whether a person wants to vaccinate or not is up to the individual. We have been told repeatedly that vaccination protects you and that if you were infected it will be mild. How true this really is we do not yet know. I’m sure we are all waiting for someone who is partially or fully vaccinated to die from the virus and we will use that as undeniable proof that vaccination doesn’t work which will be countered by PAP saying that the virus wasn’t the cause and that it’s only a single death.

    I guess for now it’s wait and see for the unvaccinated people. I see no rush to vaccinate IF you aren’t elderly or have chronic medical conditions. Of course I also can see that the elderly are hesitant since they have also heard and read that some have had heart attacks a few days after getting their first jab.

    After all your favourite holiday destinations of America, Europe, Japan and Korea aren’t exactly opening up their borders soon so why rush to vaccinate? The vaccines are also undergoing further R&D so when version 2 or newer versions of Pfizer/Moderna are manufactured they should work better than those released at the start of the year.

    I’m waiting for the vaccine to be much better so that a person needs only one jab and not 2. Let’s wait until the end of the year or early next year to see if the vaccines have improved by then.

    Response: Well said. Totally agree with your approach!

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  • Everybody a scientist:

    All science, including medical science work on testing hypothesis using statistics.
    This IS the very foundation of science. This IS science.
    Your want 100% guarantee—seek out religion.
    Faith is thus blind.
    Maybe some anti-vaxxers will take the shots only when their pastor ask them to.

    House of laughing hyenas:
    Cos its all a leap of faith. No doctor has signed a Letter of Guarantee in this world.

    Medical science is a work-in-progress given some sort of Indemnity with help from Rich Pharma’s army of highly paod lawyers.

    Scientific Fact is called so because its not the Absolute Fact. No one knows absolute fact. Scientific Fact is based on certain criterias and peer reviews. Its not absolute because the best doctors today only knpw what is equivalent to nothing if we compare it to the vast unknown unknowns in this universe.

    Its a Gamble of sorts

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  • nathan chen:

    Tan Kian Lian, can you get us up to date numbers of death and fatal injuries as a result of vaccination?

    What is the cause as explained so far by the Expert healthcare committee? What is the commonest answer they give to explain the cause of death?

    How many times have the Expert committee admitted liability cause of death by the covid-19 vaccines and make full restitution to the victim’s family?

    How many permanent injuries were caused by the vaccines, admitted by the Expert and the compensation handled out?

    If you are unable to get this data I understand.

    People do not like the idea of being treated shabbily. They have obediently and dutifully gone for their jabs. when they suffered serious side effects like death and permanent damage to their organs they don’t want to be so easily brushed aside by doctors with their cold template medical answer, underlying cause — blah, blah blah. it’s rare.

    The family to the victim dead or incapacitated must have the right to a Coroner Inquest or even a COI.

    There is nothing to agree to disagree on this. No way.

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  • Caveman:

    “4) I agree that the people who choose not to be vaccination for whatever reason should be allowed to exercise that choice. However, they may have to face the consequence of being unvaccinated. If they get seriously ill from covid, they will have to pay for the cost of hospital treatment after an initial period of free treatment provided to them.”

    Hello TKL, you agree that people has a choice but then you follow up with a threat of their choice.

    Cigarette boxes have warnings that smoking causes lung cancer. Where were you when thousands of smokers still choose to smoke? Are they differentiated between smokers and non-smokers when it comes to hospital bills?

    And why do some of the vaccinated people keep on poking at the unvaccinated, writing articles after articles, calling them to be vaccinated or be discriminated, and label them as anti-vaxxers? On the contrary, the unvaccinated people has never discourage others from taking the vaccine. Your beliefs may not be mine.

    One of the poster even say the unvaccinated fear taking the vaccine. Maybe he has forgotten that because he fears Covid, that’s why he has to take the vaccine. Well , I fear Covid too, but I have my way of dealing with it, for one and half years already. And it is not necessary for me to find out whether the guy sitting next to me on the train is vaccinated or not.

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  • Hearsay differs from Criteria:

    “Whoever attempts to determine the truth merely by means of people, he will be lost in the plains of bewilderment. Rather, strive for knowledge of the truth itself, then you will recognize the people of truth.”

    - Al-Ghazali, Muslim theologian

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  • your buying decisions:

    //All science, including medical science work on testing hypothesis using statistics.
    This IS the very foundation of science. This IS science.//

    yar lar. not all people (many are bo ta-chek science ones lar) understand such chim explanation lar ???

    that is why must teach / educate the many bo ta-chek that NOT all so-called experts / consultants / professionals are selling you 100% koyok ???? a lot of people (like good salesmen) only sell you the good parts but hide the negative parts (side effects in this context ???) so as not to ‘scare’ or distract you out of your buying decisions lar ???

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    @ Your want 100% guarantee—seek out religion.

    Haha! Well, sometime face with a difficult situation or make a very difficult decision, one does. Thats what i did.

    When my mother make her own decision to take the vaccination ( first in my family since senior go first ), due to all the fake news or the negativity falsehood online anxiety arises. I also ask the divine for certain directions certain guides. So far so good. My neighour his father ( near 90 ) who a few months ago fell and sustain a fracture in the thigh bone did the same when both make decision to go for surgery. Currently can walk, slow ( less than 3 months after surgery ) … Still recuperating but at least not bed ridden and can go toilet himself not troubling others.

    Of course, Oxy dont agree saying might as well as buy 4D or Toto. Not wrong but he associating with wealth or greed or material monies stuff. One time strike it rich or even super rich the eazy way, thats what everybody wants. So how can the divine grant or guide.

    Whereas my example is only on health or well being.

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  • JiangSu (江苏) testing over 9 million residents for the Delta variant within days TWICE (i.e. 18 million tests in less than a week) and SInkieland has only 5 million odd residents, until today stil dilly dally.

    It is reported that most of the 100+ confirmed infected were already vaccinated and we still have ignorant idiots saying vaccination (of any kind of vaccines) prevents infection?

    Also, China locked down an entire hotel after 1 imported case was detected. Medical and frontline personnel all wore PPE suits during the testing of the hotel staff and guests.

    See the difference in the standards of the people in charge? And these are not even top honchos, just province and city officials.

    The MTF should be so very ashamed.

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  • Tremendous:

    Now we have the village chief’s wife coming out to say THOSE NIGHTSPOTS can be reopen because there is vaccination. Maybe this big shot wants to go there fore some nightlife fun soon.

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  • flow of stock vaccines:

    //And why do some of the vaccinated people keep on poking at the unvaccinated, writing articles after articles, calling them to be vaccinated or be discriminated, and label them as anti-vaxxers? On the contrary, the unvaccinated people has never discourage others from taking the vaccine. Your beliefs may not be mine.//

    hahaha. OR there is this mentality (argumentum ad populum ???), assurance of being in the same membership class (one must not be wrong as MANY are doing the same thing by being vaccinated like oneself HOR (me VS them) – or too invested in the decision ????

    OR probably they are all part of the IBs team as they need good enough numbers to continue getting vaccinated (as sinkie is not close to 70% vaccinated or whatever % ???) to keep the flow of stock vaccines (that has short expiry date if not used ??) coming and utilized ????

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  • Tremendous:
    Now we have the village chief’s wife coming out to say THOSE NIGHTSPOTS can be reopen because there is vaccination. Maybe this big shot wants to go there fore some nightlife fun soon.

    Better prepare Viagra and standby for the nightspots to open very soon. When this bigshot opens her mouth, EVERYONE listens.

    Mind you, she sleeps with the Supreme LEEder of the cabinet, no?

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  • oxygen:

    I HAVE NO CLUE of what sense is Pfizer talking about when it says

    Pfizer says immunity drops to 83% within four months in people who got its COVID-19 shot, further bolstering the company case for a booster

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/pfizer-says-immunity-drops-to-83-within-six-months-in-people-who-got-its-covid-19-shot-further-bolstering-the-company-case-for-a-booster-11627579817?mod=home-page

    I am even more confused when Pfizer spoke of “IMMUNITY” when it confessed “immunity” is lasting lesser than 4 months.

    Google search defined “immunity” as “the ability of an organism to resist a particular infection or toxin by the action of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells.”

    So in Pfizer’s calculus and terminology, “immunity” is by its brilliant definition is one of NECESSARY “eroding or erosion” of its vaccine to resist infection such that over time, its efficacy will diminishes to zero?

    WHAT IS THE VALUE OF PROTECTION IN THAT “ERODING” protection (immunity) in its vaccine?

    PAP mandate strong: Of course, Oxy dont agree saying might as well as buy 4D or Toto. Not wrong but he associating with wealth or greed or material monies stuff. One time strike it rich or even super rich the eazy way, thats what everybody wants. So how can the divine grant or guide.

    Whereas my example is only on health or well being.

    How long is the “eroding” immunity available in Pfizer’s booster jab promising?

    Is it a further two months or one month of decaying protection?

    Or is Pfizer prefers to remain silent of many more “booster jabs” to come, each successive booster jabs of diminishing to zero efficacy (as the virus becomes smarter and smarter of evasive attacks) to come in the future – until it is totally useless?

    Did the writer and vaccine maniacs of this thread thought of further virus mutation or those vaccinated is entrapped with life-long regular jabs (each booster jabs adding to unknown forward risky/harmful consequences) dependency to utter futility?

    That is to say those opting out of mNRA vaccines are the only “smarter” one who, by luck or hard thinking evaluation, declined to accept mRNA vaccine?

    Just read this frightening news.

    EXCLUSIVE AstraZeneca exploring options for COVID-19 vaccine business – executive

    https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/exclusive-astrazeneca-exploring-options-covid-19-vaccine-business-exec-says-2021-07-29/

    AstraZenecca : AstraZeneca is exploring options for the future of its COVID-19 vaccine and expects greater clarity on the matter by the end of 2021

    After millions of jobs all over the world, AstraZenecca no longer confident of its own vaccine??

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  • Nathan Chen:

    Don’t Science or emerging medical technology. Blame politics. Blame our political culture of trading off liberty for economic expediency. Blame your stupid
    Self.

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  • oxygen:

    US CDC says that the war on covid-19 has changed and some parts of new developments are “more concerning” forcing it to backflipped its recommendation of the necessity of face-masking.

    CDC head, Dr Rochelle Walensky:the agency had seen data that found fully vaccinated people have the same viral load as unvaccinated people and that they too can infect others

    CDC expected to release data that informed change on face mask policy, says delta variant of COVID means ‘war has changed’

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/cdc-expected-to-release-data-that-informed-change-on-face-mask-policy-says-delta-variant-of-covid-means-war-has-changed-11627655532?mod=mw_latestnews

    IN THE LIGHT OF THIS INFORMING UPDATE and CDC’s pronouncement, the writing in this thread article is UNDER-INFORMING even misleading.

    If CDC data is correct as Dr. R Walensky disclosed it means

    - the vaccinated are as deadly of virus transmission as unvaccinated i.e. vaccination or otherwise MAKES NO DIFFERENCE as an issue of potential public health risks of parts of the population declining vaccination.

    - vaccination provides no immunity from serious infection because the viral load (once infected) is the same as the unvaccinated.

    - face masking provides better protection

    - the vaccine maniacs are mistaken/misguided of their trusts and conviction of vaccine induced (now admitted to be shrinking) immunity.

    - public hostility in some seemingly highly educated informed quarters are misguided and/or unnecessary misinformed prejudice.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Nathan Chen

    Emerging medical technology fell short of expectations as CDC has found out.

    Nathan Chen: Don’t Science or emerging medical technology. Blame politics. Blame our political culture of trading off liberty for economic expediency. Blame your stupid
    Self.

    AstraZenecca is looking at its options (meaning its much utilized vaccine wasn’t the sure thing of winning bet). Pfizer is talking of ‘DECLINING” fall off in the efficacy of mRNA wonder within 4 months of full vaccination requiring further (how many times thereafter uncertain) booster jabs of unknown efficacy’s durability beyond.

    AND POLITICAL COWS HIJACKED SCIENCE to divide and conquer uninformed fully-vaccinated peasants to pretend that vaccine is the magical wand to eliminate covid delta WHEN IT DOES NOT AND CANNOT.

    Like I said before, vaccine is the first OBVIOUS “solution” incubated out of fear rather than science and evidence. It can’t be right in any crisis management situation!

    If CDC is right of the covid-19 war has changed, IT MEANS THAT THE MASSIVE GLOBAL ROLL-OUT OF DOUBTFUL VACCINES must be a monumental failure of self-delusion.

    what damage (irreversible perhaps) has been done?

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  • oxygen:

    Ooops, some typo error there

    the caption below

    oxygen: – public hostility in some seemingly highly educated informed quarters are misguided and/or unnecessary misinformed prejudice.

    should be read as

    oxygen: – public hostility in some seemingly highly educated informed quarters AGAINST UNVACCINATED LOT are misguided and/or unnecessary misinformed prejudice.

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