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Adverse Events from Vaccines in Singapore

As of Saturday (14 Aug), about 75% of Singapore’s population are reportedly fully vaccinated.

According to the Health Sciences Authority (HSA), of those vaccinated with Sinovac, a total of 47 “adverse events” have been reported from more than 104,000 doses of the vaccine that have been administered in Singapore as of  31st July. This works out to be 0.045 per cent of the administered doses.

Out of the 47 “adverse events”, 4 were said to be “serious”, i.e. Serious Adverse Events (SAE). They included one report each of Bell’s palsy, a condition that causes temporary weakness or paralysis of the facial muscles, anaphylaxis or the rapid onset of severe allergic reactions, vertigo with ringing of the ears, and serious allergic reactions.

In the case of Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines, a total of 9,403 “adverse events” out of 7,567,466 doses have been reported as of 31st July. This works out to be 0.12 per cent of the administered doses.

For those that have taken the mRNA vaccines like Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna, they may be getting a 3rd booster shot some time next year, according to Health Minister Ong Ye Kung, in an interview with Singapore Press Holdings’ (SPH) radio station Kiss92 FM yesterday (16 Aug).

Maybe within a year, you may have a third shot.

The booster shots are necessary because the  antibody levels among the vaccinated starts to decline from as early as six weeks after complete vaccination and can reduce by more than 50% over 10 weeks. [LINK]

This would imply that as long as the Covid-19 virus has not been fully contained or eradicated, those vaccinated with the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) would ideally, have to take booster shots on a quarterly basis to stay reasonably protected from “serious injuries and deaths”.

Currently, no vaccine available is seen as 100% effective at preventing Covid -19 infection. In fact, the current vaccines are almost completely useless against the Delta+ and Lambda variant.

The Lambda variant was discovered in Peru in 2020 and has spread to 29 countries, including but not limited to Chile, Argentina, Peru, Ecuador, Brazil and Colombia as well as the U.S., Canada, Germany, Spain, Israel, France, Malaysia, the U.K. and Zimbabwe.

WHO currently classifies the Lambda variant as a Variant of Interest (VOI), just one degree below the Delta+, which is a Variant Of Concern (VOC).

 

 

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31 Responses to “Adverse Events from Vaccines in Singapore”

  • xoxo:

    They are just GROPING around.
    They are just trying their luck and hoping to get lucky.
    In short,they are just gambling.

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  • I heard OYK is busy ownself praise ownself boasting that Sinkieland is now more than 75% vaccinated. The question is, there are still cases on the island, so 75% or 100% vaccinated got any real meaning or not? Isreal very vwery vaccinated nation, look at their figures now?

    Also look at New Zealand, about only 20% vaccinated nia, ZERO cases for the last 6 months and now 1 case already lockdown the entire country liao.

    That’s how the pros do it, compared to the rookie at simi C19 expert committee advising the MTF.

    May I suggest OYK better shut up and wait for ZERO cases (for 6 months) then ownself praise ownself.

    What do you think?

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  • xoxo:

    OYK is the current champion at BOOT-LICKING.

    BOASTFUL AND INSINCERE.Trying to fight for PEE-M post.
    Even so,he is as useless as the others.

    Just a rookie trying to shine.
    He seems intent on seeking attention.

    If he ever gets promoted ,it will spell more disaster for sgs.
    AJ was right to reject him.

    His is another *how lien* face.
    Better prevent him from creating havoc as Pee-M.
    If ever,he will be a POO-m.

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  • MarBowling:

    Heard latest news that the 16-year-old boy who suffered cardiac arrest on 3rd July 2021, 6 days AFTER receiving the Pfizer vaccine jab gets $225,000 in aid Under the VIFAP(Vaccine Injury Financial Assistance Programme). According to MOH, the payout of $225,000 is EITHER for DEATH or PERMANENT SEVERE DISABILITY!

    Looks like the boy’s HEART must have SUFFERED SEVERE DAMAGE as a result of being poked by the Holee Pfizer jab! Not that am bad-hearted to say this:the Holee payout is an ADVANCED “Pek Kim” for the UNFORTUNATE Family. Months or years down the LOONG and WINDING ROAD, this PITIFUL Boy May meet his Maker SOONER THAN EXPECTED! Very sad!

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  • opposition dude:

    If you need booster shots a year or less after your 2 jabs it only goes to show how LOUSY the vaccines are. We need data on why the level halves after 2 and a half months which is way too quick if you ask me.

    Does it just dissolve once it’s in your body? Or passed out along with human waste when you do your business? Maybe evaporated like sweat?

    I hope to see either a vaccine that is properly developed that only requires a single jab every 1.5 to 2 years or so. Better still if there are pills or liquid medicine one can take if one has the virus so as to negate having to go for booster shots.

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  • MarBowling:

    opposition dude:
    August 17, 2021 at 11:30 pm (Quote)
    If you need booster shots a year or less after your 2 jabs it only goes to show how LOUSY the vaccines are. We need data on why the level halves after 2 and a half months which is way too quick if you ask me.

    Does it just dissolve once it’s in your body? Or passed out along with human waste when you do your business? Maybe evaporated like sweat?

    I hope to see either a vaccine that is properly developed that only requires a single jab every 1.5 to 2 years or so. Better still if there are pills or liquid medicine one can take if one has the virus so as to negate having to go for booster shots.

    Response: NEED DATA? Thought pharmaceutical companies like Pfizer and Moderna have PROVIDED TONNES AND TONNES of CONVINCING DATA which was WHY the FDA of USA has given APPROVAL for the Holee Pfizer and Moderna vaccines for EMERGENCY USE to poke MILLIONS if not BILLIONS of WILLING FOLKS! Don’t THINK any SANE pharmaceutical company would DISH OUT a SINGLE DOSE Vaccine, bearing in mind, the MORE DOSES THE MERRIER which is what happening NOW! Its mouthpiece, our own World Class Minister Ong Toh, has said a 3rd DOSE OF THE HOLEE Pfizer vaccine is due for WILLING FOLKS before CNY! Huat Arh!

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  • MarBowling:

    MarBowling:
    August 17, 2021 at 9:53 pm (Quote)
    Heard latest news that the 16-year-old boy who suffered cardiac arrest on 3rd July 2021, 6 days AFTER receiving the Pfizer vaccine jab gets $225,000 in aid Under the VIFAP(Vaccine Injury Financial Assistance Programme). According to MOH, the payout of $225,000 is EITHER for DEATH or PERMANENT SEVERE DISABILITY!

    Looks like the boy’s HEART must have SUFFERED SEVERE DAMAGE as a result of being poked by the Holee Pfizer jab! Not that am bad-hearted to say this:the Holee payout is an ADVANCED “Pek Kim” for the UNFORTUNATE Family. Months or years down the LOONG and WINDING ROAD, this PITIFUL Boy May meet his Maker SOONER THAN EXPECTED! Very sad!

    Response: Btw, isn’t this Holee payout of $225,000 an ADMISSION by Mai Hum that there is INDEED SIDE EFFECT AFTER BEING POKED BY THE mRNA Pfizer vaccine. And in the case of this PITIFUL Boy, IT’S A DEVASTATING ONE, PERIOD!

    To those WILLING FOLKS WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN POKED BY THOSE HOLEE mRNA VACCINES LIKE PFIZER AND MODERNA, PLEASE PRAY TO HEAVEN THAT SAME OR SIMILAR SIDE EFFECTS MAY NOT EVER OR NEVER SURFACE MONTHS OR YEARS DOWN THE LOONG AND WINDING ROAD!

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  • Protect Aliens Party:

    TRE Techie:
    I heard OYK is busy ownself praise ownself boasting that Sinkieland is now more than 75% vaccinated. The question is, there are still cases on the island, so 75% or 100% vaccinated got any real meaning or not? Isreal very vwery vaccinated nation, look at their figures now?

    Also look at New Zealand, about only 20% vaccinated nia, ZERO cases for the last 6 months and now 1 case already lockdown the entire country liao.

    That’s how the pros do it, compared to the rookie at simi C19 expert committee advising the MTF.

    May I suggest OYK better shut up and wait for ZERO cases (for 6 months) then ownself praise ownself.

    What do you think?

    I said before liao, we’d better be very worried if this OYK takes over as PM. He’s one damn bloody hiong fella, who in order to achieve his goal would daring take risks at the expense of other people’s life. Bcoz he started late in the race as compared to his 4G candidates, he’s now trying very hard to chiong to the PM seat by proving his ‘worth’. But my guess is that his impatience and overzealousnes might backfire instead.

    See what has happened since he took over as head of MOH in mid-May?

    Sg’s Covid19 death in:
    May – 2 cases (already minus 1 case on 1st May)
    Jun – 3
    Jul – 1
    Aug – 8

    Before he became health minister, sg only sees 31 deaths for more than a year. But after he took over from GKY, sg now has 45 death cases! An additional 14 deaths in just 3 months under his charge!

    Some more, in order to achieve his vaccination target, he pushed so hard by dividing and discriminating our people, thus pressuring people to get vaccinated. See? With sg now 75% fully vaccinated, we still see 8 deaths in Aug so far and we’re only in mid-Aug.

    As vaccinated people become complacent and careless against covid, and also as the vaccines becomes less effective against the new variants, OYK can jolly well kiss the PM seat goodbye.

    If I’m wrong about him or my prediction, to have 14 covid deaths in 3 months since he took charge of MOH, then I think he must really be a j*n* recalling how he has jinxed the ministers in Aljunied GRC.

    Tech: The gang members in PAPies are not stupid, you think they don’t see what we are seeing and will blindly vote for him to head them meh? Unless the Sun rises from the North, there is no way on earth that he will be their LEEder.

    Continue at this rate (in MOH), he may be out of the next GE when Sinkieland goes into a full outbreak and hospitals get overwhelmed.

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  • Protect Aliens Party:

    @Tech

    Actually, why wait until next GE? Continue at this rate ….. oh ya! Make it 15 deaths in just 3 months or 9 death cases in Aug so far, singaporeans should all ask for this j*nx to step down as a minister. Or even better still, pap should remove him as an MP! He’ll be a j*nx to everyone wherever he goes. PAP better believe it.

    Tech: For better results, forget about deaths, that one a bit jialut. Just a huge mass outbreak will do, the Delta no play play one, they no hue PAP or SDP one. Anyway, I don’t believe the Delta has got tired of biting in Sinkieland or only has a quota to bite only 50 pax a day.

    No need to look further than NZ, only 1 case and we now see 7 confirmed cases despite a nationwide lockdown and their health officials have predicted 120 eventually from this one single case. Sinkieland only initiated a bull of a shit lockdown, good to see nia, possible everyday only 50 cases with thousands packed in buses and mrts?

    Clearly something is clearly amiss, whole world got Delta kenna jialut jialut, Sinkieland is sparred? Who will believe the bull of a shit stats, you tell me.

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  • Protect Aliens Party:

    @Tech

    Haha! Me think same same. Only 50 +/- 10 cases each day ever since pap decided to postpone NDP to 21Aug? Virus very guai like sinkies hor? Listen to pap. Quota meet liao must stop biting huh?

    A friend who lives in a block in the area which kena 15 cases was as puzzled. How come his small area alone already has 15 cases but report on total covid cases on that day still reads 50 something only?

    Stupid people kept voting for them, it’s no wonder they think we’re idiots to believe their numbers.

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  • @Protect Aliens Party

    Here’s another one solid solid fact: The airport in China only has 9 infected with Delta, in the end, how many cities kenna? Just look at NanJing, over 300+ cases in a week (even during full lockdown)! If your friend block got 15 cases, then applying the same R0, should have 500 cases at least, in the end only 50+ cases on the island, you bluff who, I say.

    The only reason I can think of is using the same tactics that were used by some Chinese officials (before they were all sacked), the cases were under-reported or some confirmed cases but very mild and not sick, they just “let go” or issue SHN, so not taken into consideration or they use daily quota of say 100 cases, then anything above that KIV till tomorrow and then they repeat the same for tomorrow’s cases. When finally the KIV ones got too high, they put it back into the pool and let the stat spike a little, but still within “acceptabe” limit, so as not to look sibei jialut, and the same is repeated over and oevr again.

    Coming back to local cases, I believe that they are using the last method and massaging the figures to keep it 2 digits to ensure that it is ‘safe’ to watch NDP, then after NDP, they will claim got spread and then add the KIV cases slowly back into the “spike”, until the backlog is cleared. Since the cases are no longer strictly dated and finer details unknown, so easy to massage, right?

    But then, like that dangerous, because if NDP really got mass outburst, then jialut liao, if say like Malaysia thousands of cases per day. Then the truth will come out because the hospitals will be packed, then they cannot massage and got eyes see one, right? MSM can pretend they dunno and don’t report, but members of the public and victims families not blind right?

    I hope I am all so wrong and would be happy to be proven wrong, but I think unlikely lor. From the stats all around the world, where got Sinkieland the Delta variant so tame and toothless one. Maybe we should rename the variant in Sinkieland to Eunuch variant? lol

    Tell who all also won’t believe right, you say dio bo?

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  • sad but true:

    Protect…reduce…another shot….another shot…another shot.

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  • Protect Aliens Party:

    @Tech

    Tio la! Hi-5 man! Your thought and guess are exactly my friends and mine except the one on ‘confirmed cases but very mild and not sick, they just “let go” or issue SHN’. I now learnt this could also be one possibility. Thumb up, man!

    BUT…. today starts further easing of the covid19 restrictions. No need for temperature screening and I know of many people being told to return to office starting next week. So, me think even if there’s mass outburst from the NDP ground, I bet they’ll never ever tell people the truth. Die die cannot let people have the chance to blame the NDP mah. So, any further covid spread would be conveniently pushed to malls, offices or whatnot.

    Let’s wait and see, see if the variant in sinkieland is really tame and toothless and should be called the Eunuch variant or maybe …… the PoreLambpa variant?

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  • @Protect Aliens Party

    What you say is also possible, they will likely blame it on other clusters and ‘spare’ teh NDP, else they slap the LEEders liao.

    Oh BTW, there is another method to control the figures which I just learnt from a doctor while I was over at his place for dinner last night.

    What they did was to control the number of tests that can be conducted in a day, say before 12pm. Lets say they decided that today at most can have 500 infections, so they set the limit for the number of tests to 500 and stop testing or KIV the rest to after 12pm.

    What we have then is that effectively, there can only be a maximum of 500 cases per reporting period (Sinkieland cut off time for reporting is 12pm also) even if all those tested turn out positive. So even if 10,000 people were to seek testing, there will always be a limit of 500 max “infections” per day, on paper. Since it is not possible to find 500 all confirmed infected, those jialut one who go A&E directly can easily be added into the “infected” list and it would still remain within 500 max.

    Unless of course there is a huge outbreak and all needs hospitalization, else this is a sure successful method to control the figures.

    Apply the above method to the NanJing scenario for discussion purpose only, had they implemented the above, the worst case scenario would be more infections but since all infected need not necessary be jialut jialut to warrant a stay in the hospital, their cases per day is still limited to 500 or less.

    Even if the entire NanJing is infected, the chances of all rushing to hospital at the same time is practically ZERO since nowadays cases are mostly asymptomatic, mild and death rate is very very low, so they can continue to play teh 500 a day game for as long as they want and slowly treat those that are found to be seriously infected, got logic bo?

    Coming back to the local scene, I would guess that there must be thousands of infected carriers taking buses and MRTs, just that they are not ‘caught’ yet, because due to the vaccination, the symptoms take a longer time to appear and most are not serious to warrant a stay in hospital, at most see doctor, go home self-isolate or they may even recover by themselves.

    For now, the daily cases IMHO, will remain at 2 digits or maybe even single digit until the NDP is over, given the nature of the Delta, there is no way it could go down to 0 with the planned opening up. The Delta don’t simply get tired of biting and decides to call it quits.

    Anyway, I think if the LEEders had a choice, they would rather do away with reporting completely, had it not been their obligation to WHO and the need to look “responsible”.

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  • Protect Aliens Party:

    @Tech

    Wah piang eh! Now I understand liao la. I always suspect they’d played with numbers but never understand how they could hide the cases day after day and for how long can they hide sia. Kum siah, bro. No wonder they kept pushing so hard for people to get vaccinated (although they know very well vaccination won’t prevent infection). Liddat mild cases of vaccinated people won’t have to be admitted to hospital and so they can omit these cases to make it look like they’ve done a good job and keep the covid spread under control. KNN! No wonder OYK so sibeh how lian, yaya papaya ownself praise ownself.

    I learnt something new again. Pfizer / Moderna vaccines may not be good enough to protect people from covid19 infection but they’re surely good enough in protecting jiak liao bee politicians’ rice bowls as of now. I can’t wait to see what will happen when stronger variants emerged.

    Tech: Just to clarify, I am not saying that they are doing that, just sharing what my doctor friend said could be done to keep the figures within manageable level, if there is such a need. What I can 99% say is that the daily stats are surely “massaged”, as to how, that’s their “trade secret”. lol

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  • k:

    In the case of Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines, a total of 9,403 “adverse events” out of 7,567,466 doses have been reported as of 31st July. This works out to be 0.12 per cent of the administered doses.

    The percentage of adverse events for Sinovac is only 0.045, ie it is safer than Pfizer and Moderna.

    The Serious Adverse Events (SAE due to Sinovac included one report each of Bell’s palsy, a condition that causes temporary weakness or paralysis of the facial muscles, anaphylaxis or the rapid onset of severe allergic reactions, vertigo with ringing of the ears, and serious allergic reactions.

    What were the SAE for Pfizer and Moderna? Were they more serious than Sinovac? The Sinovac SAE described above did not seem to be that serious than blog clot and what not they refused to tell?

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    Vaccination or not and type ? At your own discretion.

    小哥分享打两剂疫苗为何仍然感染的经历

    https://h5.video.weibo.com/show/1034:4673246352834572

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  • xoxo:

    Vaccines are not the main culprit here,in our case.
    Community was near zero.
    Then,they insist on dumping more CECA-DELTA *FT-mutant ninjas* here.
    These ninjas helped perpetuate the DELTA SPREAD

    WHOM OF THEM SHUD WE GIVE,small people,GIVE PRAISES N THANKS to?
    Go figure.
    Now,still insist on the GRAVE ERRORS TO BE REPEATED?

    GFO( Go Fark Off)!

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  • xoxo:

    So what if 80 pct vaccinated.
    Israel also reached high vaccination rate but infections also up?

    Opening up recklessly just becos of HIGH VACCINATION RATE IS PLAIN STUPID,typical of boastful idiots like Ong You Con.
    So,if you buy insurance,you can simply DRIVE RECKLESSLY?
    Or,you wear Seat-belt n drive a VOLVO ,you can bash around?

    When humility is lacking,reckless arrogance surfaces.
    I say CAUTION.
    THE MTF IDIOTS especially OYcon is giving a FALSE IMPRESSION OF SAFETY when even other countries have shown HIGH VACCINATION RATE CAN ALSO HAVE HIGH INFECTION RATE.

    OYCON,imho,is a gambler and unfit to be a govt leader.
    For him to consider himself a PM CONTENDER is quite laughable.

    Blokes like him will lead common sgs to more DOOM.

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  • @xoxo

    I agree with you, he won’t even be employed as a county mayor if he were to try getting employed in China’s civil service. Blokes like him are a plenty in China’s civil service and most are employed as runners, drivers and some low-grade team leaders.

    But then to be fair to him, he is no medical pro, so can’t blame him totally if he is being hoodwinked by the so-called experts at MTF. lol

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  • xoxo:

    @TRE Techie

    Bro,you are right.
    In PAP cabinet,there are too many expensive clowns.
    Their mistakes are always overlooked?
    After making mistakes,can still get *promoted*?
    Guess its not any sort of *KPI* BUT APPLE-POLISHING INDEX?
    THE HIGHER THE INDEX,THE HIGHER ONE CAN PROMOTED.

    CHEERIO!

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  • Sinovac Rules:

    China vaccine for the China Flu!

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  • Harder Truths:

    More booster shots coming – every month get one! So $G will surely follow to get Big Pharma more data on tested Guinea Pigs

    https://www.rt.com/usa/533806-fauci-third-vaccine-dose/

    Remember – in SG, you die your business, but regime will profit from it no matter what.

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  • Harder Truths:

    Move Over Delta – you are not so strong!
    Meet the latest and greatest variation – Mu

    https://www.rt.com/news/533619-covid-variant-mu-who-scrutiny/

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  • Faster kah:

    The present rate for Sinopharm and Sinovac vaccination is too slow…

    Very inefficient and time slot given too long.Many elderly exposed unnecessary to the Virus while waiting.

    Should have put both of them on the same program as the other Vaccines as it is now WHO approved.Only common sense to move and achieve goal faster.

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  • High rate of infection:

    The high rate of infection and more death of the elderly may be the result of the high vaccinated rate…look at Israel.
    Solve one problem and create another.
    Basic problem is the Vaccine is not effective enough for this Virus.

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  • xoxo:

    No worries,just get 3rd shot.
    If that is still not as effective,go get the 4th,5th and 6th shots.

    We cannot close our borders even if Covid still mutates ,we must import ALL CECA-DELTA,GAMMA,LAMPAR AND MU.

    MORE SENIORS DIE,LEBER MINE.
    As long as can help AGEING POPULATION problem.

    We are trying to reach 100K.
    68K simply too low!

    How can?
    We must beat Malaysia!
    We must be TOP IN IMPORT OF ALL VARIANTS BECOS WE ARE A *HUB*?..
    WE CANNOT LOSE OUT.
    MORE VARIANTS MEAN WE ARE REALLY INTERNATIONAL HUB for *EVERYTHING*!!!

    A FEW OF OUR PEOPLE BECOME SICK OR DIE,NO WORRIES.
    WE BRING IN MORE FTs.

    We are PAP.
    DONT PLAY PLAY.
    WE ARE THE BEST at screwing our own citizens for the sake of foreigners.
    So aliens ,come,come to Sinkapore.
    Bring in Delta,gamma,lampar,mu and more!

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  • Billy ma:

    Those PAP dudes are fighting & tripping one another using this pandemic as the weapon.

    Each is trying to outdo one another not for the sake of the people but for their own future & career.

    Just listen to the different songs each is playing to whoever is bother to pay attention.

    Fortunately, many Singaporeans do not trust a word these PAP dudes is saying.
    Just look at those PAP MPs, they know how much Singaporeans trust them, that’s why most had kept their mouth tight & shut during this pandemic saga.

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  • Who of you audited Unlinked?:

    Who of you can or has ever audited the claims of infections, deaths, linked and unlinked cases?

    I guess its all based on whether you believe or do not.

    May the world be enlightened.

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  • Aiya,expect what from polanpas:

    SIN records highest growth of polanpas population since LSC walked out en mass with his whole cohort of Barisan Socislist MPs to allow Nation longterm Wrecker the opportunity to inplant his nepotism or thestart of democracy claded Nepotism. The Rotten Idiots honored Idiot Emeritus succumbed waving his green hat n chewing peanut to boost le nepotic evil n the fanatic culture of the first Covid SIN with the peeing and pooing Compliant bureaucracy as the defunct children desperado leak augmenting Le Amos Dead Orrible man desperado admission of his FG pees n poos of the foulest kind nicked as Covid SIN Delta by KopiCritics making SinLao AhKua the Nation white ants queen gnawing away the fabric of the little red dots. Many were amazed at his admission of garbages n no first tier materials. His citizen critics n dare to be different political enemies cursed his nine generations that near death still threatening to rise again n the yyyy cursed under their unholy breath THINK he is J huh! Now SINs put 2 n 2 together, the threat was meant for his DHS n stupified Cotton Sheep, Indianee n his succumbed compliant Bs!
    Yea talking abt CBs. These r the spineless polanpas SINs saw n heard.

    Compliancy is essentially

    Covid .SIN Delta specifically targeted at the Half Barrel Shit (Puan Tang Sai) spineless professionals:
    Breeding illegalities proving the Rotten Idiot Peanut bsing all the way to his ‘ billionaires fabrivpcation in politics” nicked as Covid SIN Gbs
    Breeds armchair approval, monitoring and control of projects dressed aplenty with Covid oil water based dressing
    Breeds fraudulent nfi history aspirant, bs passers indulging moronically in beautifying themselves with cooty cream freely dispensed through Colt liars, humiliators.

    Ever think why demoncrazy, capltalism n monarchy alays making such scenes to condemn hellishly the communists but r really gutless aspirants n the worst kind of communists, tyranic bastards with their CBs. Would communists legislate table clearing in SBM eateries to conceal their inadequacy to help demoncratically the elders who found clearing tables as a mean tonsupport themselves. Sweeping own dirts under the carpet while screaming enviromental pollution, condoning at a cost of what they wayang as opposites r the demoncraze. Covid, natural falls out expose all these fraudulent bs!

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