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Lets have all the data so we can clear up this mess and move forward

The Law & Home Affairs minister threw Progress Singapore Party (PSP) a challenge on CECA, they accepted it and the parliamentary debate is scheduled for Tuesday, 14th September after PSP filed their motion.

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong also addressed the issue, citing that “Singaporeans are anxious about jobs, foreign competition, as well as the impact of the large number of foreigners working and living here”.

He also said that “These are valid concerns which we will address.”

Nevertheless, he cautioned against putting the blame on CECA as he thinks “that will not solve our problem but instead make it worse.”

So finally we can all agree that we have a serious problem with large numbers of foreigners working and living in Singapore, and that this has impacted our job and economic opportunities.

As such, it is imperative that every stakeholder act in good faith and contribute to this debate.

To solve the problem at hand, we all need data and lots of it to comprehend where we have gone wrong.

When the PAP became hesitant or reluctant in providing data needed for due analysis, it shows a degree of bad faith in addressing the challenges at hand.

For a start, PSP needs to know the number of approved applicants under the Intra-Corporate Transfer (ICT) before they can add up the concession for the relocation of family members of approved applicants.

What this means is that as every ICT applicant can bring spouse, parents, parents in-laws, children when they relocate to Singapore, there is a need to add up these numbers over the past 15 over years before we can determine the socio-economic impact of this concession.

There is a need for clarification as to whether the accompanying family members are allowed to find employment locally and if so, what is the impact on local employment.

To debunk allegations that these applicants were granted new citizenship, it helps if data can be provided as to how many of these applicants and family members were granted PR & citizenship over the past 15 years.

If all the critical data can be provided, then the upcoming parliamentary debate can used effectively to help us clear up this mess once and for all please.

Isn’t that the objective of the debate?

Lawrence Wong

As such, l hope Lawrence Wong, the Finance Minister, will withdraw or amend his motion, which is looking like a distraction as its “Points of Motion”, except for the first, are not only contradictory but they lack specifics.

They are like asking the house to trust him by giving the government another blank cheque but without specifying any qualifying criteria.

It is imperative for the Speaker of Parliament to question Lawrence on his various “Points of Motion” and demand that he be specific about them.

In fact, the Speaker should remind the house not to waste its time and resources, and be strict in restricting all distractive arguments.

With an increased interest in this debate, more Singaporeans can now witness first-hand the parliamentarians that they have voted into office and see their sincerity and dedication in serving their needs.

Now that all the parliamentarians are being “eagle-eyed” by their voters, those who act foolishly may just find themselves out of favour with their voters in the next General Election, just like what happens to Ng Chee Meng & company at the last election.

For those shortlisted for premiership to take over from PM Lee, it will be wise of them not to insult or belittle the intelligence of Singaporeans by trying to defend the indefensible, twist facts or be seen to be spineless.

Those who can demonstrate that they can empathise with the hardships and sufferings of fellow Singaporeans, and can show firm resolve and urgency in addressing the root causes of their problems may just earn themselves the vital support of Singaporeans.

As it is, Lawrence may just find himself critically out of favour with Singaporeans unless he withdraw his motion or amend his points of motion to reflect the socio-economic reality that is currently undermining the debate.

But if he still think he can play politics, belittle fellow Singaporeans or twist facts to suit his arguments, then he may just end up like Ng Chee Meng.

What is the use of being promised the premiership if he don’t get elected?

As this debate is about addressing the plights and hardships of Disadvantaged Singaporeans, even the parliamentarians from the Workers’ Party (WP) would be compelled to ask some very Hard Questions as that is what WP is suppose to stand for and not be seen as being PAP-lite.

I hope that all parliamentarians, elected or nominated, will wise up and show their best conduct and competency in this debate if they still believe that Singaporeans deserve better…

 

Joseph Nathan

 

 

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20 Responses to “Lets have all the data so we can clear up this mess and move forward”

  • As you wish:

    Yes, you can get all the data you want. In your dreams. You don’t even know how much they pay themselves.

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  • I am MIKE:

    SGrean does not deserve any better.
    Tell me what SGrean did to deserve any better?

    Besides asking questions, what did WP do better? Following the rules? Or wait for the chance to change rules that fits ownselves better?

    Lawrence will be the best potential PM SGrean could have. SGrean, you thought you got better choices?

    There ain’t much hardships and disadvantaged among SGrean. You will be on the streets if it is true. But there isn’t. It pays to be obedient and treats will be given. No? Then be more obedient.

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  • Data please:

    Good to have all the data for a good debate on the merit of the CECA.
    Need to address the concern of the Citizen on this important issue,especially to those PMETs who are now underemployed.

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  • MarBowling:

    “Nevertheless, he cautioned against putting the blame on CECA as he thinks “that will not solve our problem but instead make it worse.” Unquote

    Response: This Holee Statement TAKES THE CAKE! Can we all True Blue Singaporean also ASSUME that Mai Hum didn’t PUT THE BLAME ON AND SUE HIS OWN SIBLINGS WHO ACCUSED HIM OF ABUSE OF POWER USING STATE ORGANS wrt to their FamiLEE Dispute on the Demolition of their Big Daddy Lee Kayu’s house at 38 Oxley Road and the VALIDITY of his 7th and Final Will, as Mai Hum also thinks “that will not solve their FamilEE problem but instead make it WORSE”!

    THINK Mai Hum and Wifey Holee Jinx have ADOPTED this GREAT Strategy of Son of a Gan: NO BLAME CULTURE! So there you go: NO BLAME CULTURE for the Handing of Covid19, CECA, Ponding, Death due to Mismanagement at MOH, etc!

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  • Somewhere Out There:

    Somewhere out there some foreign Gs are laughing at Sin G. And somewhere out there some citizens are shaking their heads why Sinkies keep voting them in. You ask for it, can blame no one but YOU.

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  • xoxo:

    MTF?
    MULTI-ministry Task Force?

    Now,it is Million-$-monkeys Task Force.

    To be fair,MTF fared better before clown OYK poke his nose in.

    OyCON IS CURRENT TOP BOOTLICKER.
    ECHO-SOUNDER XO!

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  • may face difficulties:

    //And somewhere out there some citizens are shaking their heads why Sinkies keep voting them in. You ask for it, can blame no one but YOU.//

    many tru-blu sinkies (not the newly minted ones) are trained to be daft and trained to be frightened of questioning the policy decisions of the white monkey idiots ??? very frightening and self-defeating mentality ??? well, these tru-blu sinkies will one day learn when the consequential results start to hit them or their kids who may face difficulties in the job market ??

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  • opposition dude:

    The only numbers we require are the number of indian nationals in Singapore. We know there are hundreds of thousands but we do not know the exact number. When this number is known is when we can start asking more questions. The fact that PAP is afraid to provide numbers but want to sidetrack and talk cock about FTAs being beneficial for Singapore already shows they know that they are guilty.

    So no need for any talking from any of the 4G because they can’t convince people anyway. Just look at how great they are in handling this endemic pandemic, cases going up daily but nothing done to bring them down.

    Looking forward to another round of cock talking from PAP on the 14th and another attempt by them to make PSP look bad which won’t work by the way. Maybe this time they will say PSP is xenophobic since they already said PSP are racist. Or maybe say PSP is trying to divide the nation or some other nonsense.

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    Laugh at Sin G.
    Shake head.

    Nothing wrong. Some people here in sg also laugh at Malaysia, indonesia, China, Taiwan, Europe, ….USA.

    Sometimes people also laugh at me. On and off,
    People also laugh at you tio boh.

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  • nitrogen:

    I am MIKE:
    SGrean does not deserve any better.
    Tell me what SGrean did to deserve any better?

    Besides asking questions, what did WP do better? Following the rules? Or wait for the chance to change rules that fits ownselves better?

    Lawrence will be the best potential PM SGrean could have. SGrean, you thought you got better choices?

    There ain’t much hardships and disadvantaged among SGrean. You will be on the streets if it is true. But there isn’t. It pays to be obedient and treats will be given. No? Then be more obedient.

    We must be fair.

    The odds are stacked against WP, and also PSP, in pap regime.

    It is very hard for WP, and also PSP, to tell the truth about pap wrongs in pap regime.

    Worse, any misstep and cause bankruptcy, and even jail in pap regime.

    So we must understand why WP is very cautious in its moves toward toppling pap.

    We cannot miss it with our eyes. Look at WP. First it took Aljunied. Next it took SK. Soon it will take East Coast and Marine Parade. This says WP is, slow as it moves bearing in mind the pap and its dirty tricks to survive, effective and shall form the Next Government whether alone or together with PSP.

    We must not demean our own. We hate pap. So we can say all we can about pap. But we must refrain from doing so on WP, and PSP. Because UNITED we stand. A group divided against itself cannot stand.

    We are not the enemies. Neither is WP, nor PSP. pap is the enemy. So we do all we can to eliminate pap, but we also do all we can not to divide our own house containing WP, and PSP.

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  • Of Caste and Vermins....:

    The arrow is straight but cruel; the lute is crooked but sweet. Therefore, judge men by their acts, not their appearance.
    (Thirukural, 279)

    Before proceeding against men weaker than yourself, ponder when you stood before those more powerful. (Thirukkural, 250)

    - Thiruvalluvar the Sage

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  • Harder Truths:

    My company has sent a lot of work to India under the guise of outsourcing and sub-contracting. A lot of locals were laid off and also replaced by CECA and HK nationals now fleeing their island.

    The majority of these locals voted for the Regime. Do I feel sorry for them? No. Life is not going to reward anyone for being stupid.

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  • Asd:

    I think educated people should be open and transparent and not hide and tell half truth

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  • Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    Sinkies totally blur blur one…
    Even the most fundamental National RESERVE amounts, which is all extracted from Sinkie taxpayers money, also cannot provide data and claim to need ’56 man years to calculate”. LOL.

    So Sinkies still hoping that PAPies will provide “transparency” with data on CECA?? Fat Hope on getting anything thats useful. LOL.

    Sinkies stop pretending and stop complaining lah, just take it in your rear-end, since Sinkies with SSS (Spineless Sinkie Syndrome) still love their PAPies “fake white skin” Masters mah. LOL.

    I clap clap hands when PAPies “Fwiak” Sinkies with SSS in the rear-end more!
    They deserve it. LOL.

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  • Nathan is being childish. If teh PAPies were to release all the data, all the LEEders would be out of a job come next GE.

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  • Smart Nation:

    Why are WP MPs muted on this matter? Doesn’t the main Opposition Party have anything to contribute to the debate? Of the millions added to the population over the last 15-20 years, how many entered through CECA and other FTAs? How many have taken on PR/Citizenship, and how many more have been added to their numbers by Births and Dependent Passes? Citizens have the right to know the truth on what is happening to their country?

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  • Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    Smart Nation:
    Why are WP MPs muted on this matter? Doesn’t the main Opposition Party have anything to contribute to the debate? Of the millions added to the population over the last 15-20 years, how many entered through CECA and other FTAs? How many have taken on PR/Citizenship, and how many more have been added to their numbers by Births and Dependent Passes? Citizens have the right to know the truth on what is happening to their country?

    For some years, I already suspected that “Wayang Party” was just part of the “acting” to make it seem that Sinkingpore has a “credible” opposition.

    Ever since that bayi Singh sat on their PAPies POFMA board, I knew those WP supporters have been conned. Then, recently when LTK even went on media to “encourage” senior citizens to take that (un-tested) vaccines, I knew its confirmed WP are just political stooges. Its all PLANNED by PAPies.

    “Wayang Party” is all about wayang-ing, so that PAPies can tell Western reporters that “we do have opposition parties here, but Sinkies still choose MIW” and the reporters all shut their gaps. Nothing left to say. LOL.

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  • Eugenicists & castechauvinism:

    The elitist LKY clansmen should find it easy in their hearts to facilitate high caste corporation chiefs and technocrats from abroad into the GLCs and their umbrella organisations….. also easier for Emperor Dowager to transpose hundreds of thousands of super cheap labourers to slog it out for his GDP at rock bottom wages, while their Pappies $laughter bona fide Singapore contractors and business people with the exorbitantly senile levy taxes – ownself check ownself no need minimum wages for singkie grannies grandpas. One single hard labourer from India, China, or Bangladesh costs the employer $950/month in levy tax while the poor labourer is forced to subsist on a $20/day wage

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  • Need More Data ?:

    There are many companies located at the Changi Business Park. Can the PAP inform us how many India Indians worked there. 500,000 or more?

    Probably they will tell lies again.

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  • Ab Ab:

    There is enough public data available to debunk false narratives that ceca is contributing most of immigrants.

    Population in Brief reports released by the govt every year show:
    Every year, there are more than 20k new citizens and 30k PRs. Every year, breakdown is like
    - 60% + from South East Asia (Malaysian Chinese would be the bulk of it)
    - 30 % from rest of Asia (which will include China, HK, Taiwan, Korea, Japan, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Middle East etc combined)
    - 5 to 10% from rest of world

    But motivated campaigns are giving false narratives that Indians form the bulk of new citizens / PRs. Please also note that to get citizenship / PR, you first have to be EP holder (and some higher level S Pass). So, these new citizens / PRs are also taking up good jobs. Part of the driver for this is the govt’s officially stated policy to maintain Singapore current racial balance at Chinese 75%, Malay 15%, Indian 7.5%. Since Chinese TFR is half of replacement level, they need to bring in hundreds of thousands to millions of ethnic Chinese. Indeed, Spore citizen today is still 75 % Chinese despite low TFR.

    UN report says
    total foreigners in Singapore – 2.16 million
    Malaysia – 952,261 (44 %)
    PRC – 380,145 (18 %)
    Indonesia – 138,338 (6.4 %) (80k to 100k may be maids)
    India – 127,440 (5.9 %) (70k to 80k are construction workers)
    Pakistan – 110,160 (5.1 %)
    HK / Macau – 71,280 (3.3 %)
    Bangladesh – 69,120 (3.2 %) (vast majority construction workers)
    Others – 311,256 (14.4 %)

    These correspond to the 25 % of EP being Indians ie 43k, some S Pass and 70k construction. So no where near the hundreds of thousands false narrative being peddled. And is dwarfed by Malaysian / PRC immigrants.

    Malaysians / PRC are not maids or construction workers. Some Malaysians, maybe 100k doing low end jobs like sweeping roads. Rest are taking up good jobs of Singaporeans or wage kept terribly depressed. They take up mid-skilled jobs in industry / office / services which arguably are more accessible to average, ordinary Singaporeans (IT jobs require a certain aptitude and not suited for most).

    Hence I request fair minded Singaporeans not to fall for false narratives.

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