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An extremely simplistic and erroneous conclusion that the vaccine works to protect the vaccinated vulnerable people from serious illness.

Many people form an extremely simplistic and erroneous conclusion that the vaccine works to protect the vaccinated vulnerable people from serious illness.

This may not be the case at all because there is no clinical trials but just base on observation of a result with BIAS sampling.

The following is how I explain it:

Tan Chong Han that’s too simplistic because this is not based on Random Sampling.

I have explained in my Live Chat that it is erroneous to make such conclusion.

The truth is overall death rate has actually in fact increased from 0.06% to 0.08% after vaccination program started.

I will do a simple illustration.

If by the past data prior to vaccination program, we know 5% of infected will be hospitalized.

If there are 100 people, 5 will be hospitalized if infected. These 5 persons have pre existing underlying medical conditions and naturally they will be hesitant to take vaccine.

Thus if vaccination rate is 80%, 80 of them will be vaccinated BUT NONE of the vulnerable person took the jab due to health consideration.

Thus, if all 100 of them are infected, naturally you will see all vaccinated are not hospitalized but 5 out of 20 unvaccinated gets hospitalized.

But does that mean the vaccine is effective? Nope. Those vaccinated won’t get hospitalization even if they don’t vaccinate!

Thus the answer is, we don’t know whether the vaccine is effective in prevention of hospitalization.

The vaccine is only acting as a screening mechanism, nothing more than that.

Now, if 2 of the 5 decided to take the jab. When all get infected, you will see only 2 out of 80 vaccinated get hospitalized while 3 out of 20 unvax get hospitalized.

Does it mean the vaccine works?

Nope. On the contrary, the vaccine has failed totally to protect the vulnerable from hospitalization!

Thus, when the sampling is totally bias and not random, comparison of percentage of hospitalization among different groups aka Vax or Unvax, is totally meaningless and will just mislead you into forming the WRONG CONCLUSION instead.

The proper way to establish whether the vaccination works or not, is to observe the OVERALL hospitalization rate regardless of Vax status.

If after vaccination program started, the OVERALL hospitalization rate drops regardless of Vax status, then we could conclude with confidence that the vaccine works to protect the vulnerable from hospitalization. This applies to death rate as well.

However, so far, this does not seem to be the case in SG!

Our death rate has actually increased while hospitalization rate is actually quite high!

There is totally no evidence that the vaccine is effective in prevention of serious illness for the vulnerable ones.

 

Goh Meng Seng

 

 

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21 Responses to “An extremely simplistic and erroneous conclusion that the vaccine works to protect the vaccinated vulnerable people from serious illness.”

  • Very brainwashed:

    GMS is really hard to brainwash, unlike some writers here. His reasoning is right.

    Some numbers are even worse. Those already seriously sick in hospital get covid from vaccinated nurses and doctors, and they are counted as those unvax covid cases in hospital.

    One has to look hard at reports from various countries to come to a reasonable conclusion. Even then, much of the stats are not accurate. US universities found very under-reported death numbers. World data follows Singapore gov in under-reporting covid cases. One-year experience can claim zero long term effects.

    A large lump of salt to everything.

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  • MarBowling:

    GMS Logical Argument VS the Husband(Mai Hum)and Wifey(Holee Jinx) Tag Team, the World Class Ministerial Trash Force of the 3 STOOGES, aided by the Expert Committee, especially that Dr LYING THROUGH-HIS- TEETH Bugger! Time will TELL AND DECIDE WHO IS RIGHT OR WRONG! Meanwhile go get a few packets of POPCORN from NTUC Fairest Price to watch this NEW NORMAL “ENDEMIC” UNFOLDING DAILY!

    Heaven has eyes. Man proposes god disposes!

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  • Add Hum:

    According their boost, recovery rate is near 100%, what is the big huha?

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  • Two is Enough sounds familiar?:

    “The most vulnerable right now are those who have taken two doses of the vaccine, not those who have never taken a dose”-Israel PM.

    Why are Israel’s cases and deaths surging? There’s hardly anyone left unvaccinated.

    Two is Enough sounds familiar?

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  • reach full resistance:

    //Many people form an extremely simplistic and erroneous conclusion that the vaccine works to protect the vaccinated vulnerable people from serious illness.//

    can like that say or not ?? if vaccine efficacy drops over time ??? then you need booster shots regularly until a better and more effective vaccine is produced ??

    until then and forever, we need regular shots over perhaps 6 to 12 mths (and then like being addicted to it ???) ??? then does it mean that over time, the virus will get more and more powerful and reach full resistance one fine day ????

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  • Herd Immunity??:

    If after vaccination program started, the OVERALL hospitalization rate drops regardless of Vax status, then we could conclude with confidence that the vaccine works to protect the vulnerable from hospitalization. This applies to death rate as well.

    Where is the herd immunity that the much awaited vaccines brought? Isn’t at 70% to 80% of population vaccination we would have acquired herd immunity? Why has the overall hospitalization cases increases instead? MTF should “stop barking up the wrong tree”.

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  • opposition dude:

    The PAP continues to try and scare the unvaccinated by constantly publishing that x who have passed away were unvaccinated. Instead of trying to get as many to be jabbed they should just focus on the unvaccinated seniors since this group is the most vulnerable with the most fatalities.

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  • xoxo:

    At first,THEY OSO SAID NO NEED TO WEAR MASK.THEN,THEY FINE PEOPLE FOR NOT WEARING MASK.

    THEY OSO SAID 2 JABS IS 100 PCT SURE PROTECTION.
    NOW,THEY SAY AT LEAST ONE BOOSTER SHOT A YEAR,THEN,6 MONTLY?

    So,DO SCHOLARS STILL CALL THIS *SCIENTIFIC*?

    OR,IS IT EXPERIENTAL?

    But this time,HUMANS ARE THE GUINEA PIGS?

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  • Clear-minded:

    From 9th September 2021, linked and unlinked cases ceased to be reported. This is not the only information. The information or number of infected unvaccinated seniors have also ceased to be reported. Along with it, the phrase “at risk of serious illness’ is ‘irrelevant’. In place, the total number of infected seniors (above age 60) is reported, and this number was in the 100s for a few days. Now, when they never failed to remind the unvaccinated seniors (and the population) of risk of serious illness even when only ONE unvaccinated senior was infected, why wouldn’t they take this opportunity to do the same when there were 100s of them? May be all the 100s of infected seniors for those days are ALL vaccinated ones, and many are seriously ill?

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  • unknown:

    Too many unknown about the vaccine effectiveness and Virus mutation to make a final judgement.
    Things can get wrong if make too quick a conclusion without solid scientific data.
    Vaccine has not been as effective as claimed initially.That is a fact.
    Proof that things can go horribly wrong if not careful.
    The early assumption about the Vaccine effectiveness is proven wrong by the Smart mutating Virus….

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  • Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    GMS article with the statistical example is good, but its too complicated for most Sinkies to understand, so it may not convince many.

    Just ask Sinkies how soon they think they need to take booster shots again due to the waning effectiveness of their jabs? Then, they will realize they got fooled. LOL.

    We just have to allow time to tell the Truth by itself.
    Wait for maybe another 6 months when the efficacy of those (mRNA) vaccines drop eventually to only < 10% or less.
    Then, you might begin to see hospitalization for those "fully vaccinated" to spike up.

    Remember this coronavirus is being treated as "endemic" and thus it will be like seasonal flu and will never go away completely. In other words, virus will always be around us, while the (mRNA) vaccines efficacy continues to decrease as time passes.

    In other words, even if 100% of population get vaccinated is also USELESS, since after some months later, ALL back to Square one with only 10% effective defense against Covid. So eventually become LPPL yes? LOL.

    Technically speaking, the (mRNA) vaccines should NOT be called "vaccines" because they do NOT provide you with lifetime immunity nor does it prevent you from getting infected or spreading the disease after getting jabbed.

    At best, they may just be called a DRUG (with either unknown to significant side-effects) to TEMPORARILY help your body fight against COVID.
    After some time though, the touted "protection" effects wears off rapidly, and then you are back to square one – maybe SAME as those un-vaccinated? LOL.

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  • need plenty of luck:

    //Now, if 2 of the 5 decided to take the jab. When all get infected, you will see only 2 out of 80 vaccinated get hospitalized while 3 out of 20 unvax get hospitalized.//

    ah goh ah goh ?? why liddat ?? already know that the vaccine is not 100% or 90% effective (even the white monkey idiots have changed their story telling lar) ???

    //Does it mean the vaccine works//

    Data also shows that it works for most people (not all people lar as some unlucky ones may face lagi jialat side effects ???) but efficacy keeps on dropping lar over time (& one may need booster shots lar) ??? and with booster shots (how many shots required ???) over such a short period for an “still experimental vaccine”, no one knows for sure how it is going to tilt the balance of the benefits-vs-costs equation (serious side effects ???).

    Just do a thought experiment lar, if everyone does not take any vaccine, be it pizza, midorno, solovax, kittyvac or kittcat ?? will the mortality number be better than a world with vaccine ???

    and vaccine ALONE (as long it is not 100% or 90% effective over a long period) is still not enough lar ?? you also need plenty of luck (from masking, social distancing, prayers ???) that the virus from an infected person does not spread to you lar ??? and opening up with crowd in the mix does not seem to offer plenty of luck lar ???

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  • nitrogen:

    We state upfront. We are not from the pap. We have never voted pap. We will never vote pap.

    But, other than vaccination, which reduces risk of death until new variants come out necessitating booster jabs, what are we to do?

    Do nothing? Sure as sunrise more would have already died.

    After 2 jabs still infected? As everyone knows, virus has mutated and so infection amongst those already jabbed twice is NOT surprising. At least, until the mutation hit, the twice jabbed were protected from severe illness.

    All in, we cannot be pseudo experts. Because other than the jabs, unless we can specify what to do, the vaccines are our first line of defence. That the virus mutates and is mutating necessitating booster jabs is not something we can wish away.

    We sure hope we don’t become the useless OPPO like gms. talking without knowing. talking to make the cock feel good. But nothing solid nor of substance of what to do.

    We say, here and loudly, the tool we have is the vaccine. If one thinks the China one is better, get it. If one thinks the non China one is better, get it.

    Not getting jabbed is unwise. Because it is the only tool at the moment. Needing a booster every now and then cannot be helped UNTIL humans finally know enough to defeat the virus permanently.

    Saying, just like a cock and for fun only, no need to do anything is 100% irresponsible uneducated behavior. Sometimes, we suspect, most of these folks are uneducated, without even a basic degree. In fact, it is not surprising most don’t even have a single A level credit. Do we sound judgmental? No. We are just stating the fact.

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  • xoxo:

    The RECENT SURGE IN DELTA-covid cases is the sole misdeed of the G.
    Calling an ongoing n still VOLATILE EVOLVING PANDEMIC as *ENDEMIC* IS DAFT BEYOND DOUBT!

    LKY,i agree with you.
    Sgs are daft with no spur in their hides for stubbornly voting for other more DAFT sgs to LEAD them.

    I also agree we should not allow any govt to anyhow RAID sgs’ RESERVES.
    I salute your FORESIGHT as $100 Billion has been raided without any MEANINGFUL OUTCOME of JOB SAVING.
    MANY sgs of PME class are delivering food for other *LAZY* young sgs who refuse to move their arses to even get down their HDB OR CONDO to buy food?

    Even more pathetic is your son,another SAFR sg,COMING OUT TO TALK ABOUT *PROTECTING* these FOOD DELIVERY BOYs and gals,SOME ARE RETIREES???

    WHY NOT PROTECT PME JOBS FOR CITIZENS?

    YOUR sonny is a daftie!

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  • Why Suspend Online Citizen ?:

    If PAP has nothing to hide, they can rebut all allegations etc in the Online Citizens with their facts. So why need to get rid of The Online Citizens ?

    Looks more like a Dictatorial action where the public can only just listen and follow. No other response or action is allowed.

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  • More available please:

    Need to make the Sinovac and Sinioharm Vaccine more easily available .
    Make it on the same terms as the other WHO approved Vaccine.
    No need to hammer the unvaccinated.
    They also want to vaccinated but with their own choice of Vaccine.
    Now not a level playing field.
    Common sense tell you what to do…

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  • Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    nitrogen:

    But, other than vaccination, which reduces risk of death until new variants come out necessitating booster jabs, what are we to do?

    Do nothing? Sure as sunrise more would have already died.

    After 2 jabs still infected? As everyone knows, virus has mutated and so infection amongst those already jabbed twice is NOT surprising. At least, until the mutation hit, the twice jabbed were protected from severe illness.

    Not getting jabbed is unwise. Because it is the only tool at the moment. Needing a booster every now and then cannot be helped UNTIL humans finally know enough to defeat the virus permanently.

    To nitrogen, I’ve shared this before, but you missed my comments prior to this article. Calling those (mRNA) jabs as “vaccines” is a medical crime.

    Go and read the prevention as well as treatment protocol of the FLCC here:
    https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/

    THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES THAT WORKS! These protocols were shared by good doctors with conscience & real-world COVID treatment experience.

    This is the truth & the data has been shown that a concoction of properly measured doses such as with Vitamin C + Zinc + Vitamin D + Ivermectin works exceedingly well. Note also, these are mostly extracts from naturally occurring substances.

    You’re just being LAZY and IGNORANT of alternatives, so you claim that there is NO other tool. LOL.

    Yes, virus will constantly mutate. Some scientists have already postulated that the global mass vaccination programs are what’s driving the virus to mutate even faster (just like how bacteria evolves immunity to become “superbugs” if you overuse antibiotics).

    Forever “booster jabs” is just a STUPID & TEMPORARY measure, because the virus will always mutate faster than you can create new versions of (mRNA) jabs. This is short-sighted measures but long-term pain.
    Just like how most people are too lazy to exercise or eat healthy for years, then hope a pill or take ‘miracle’ jab will save them. LOL.

    Common sense says: Natural Immunity is the BEST & ONLY LONG-TERM Solution.

    These are the THINGS TO DO:
    1) Exercise, eat healthy, sleep well etc. to maintain STRONG NATURALimmune defenses

    2) To PREVENT yourself from getting severely ill, reduce the viral load you are exposed to via regular washing hands with soap, wearing masks, gargling mouthwash, avoiding crowds etc. and follow FLCC guidelines on prophylactic measures during this pandemic.

    3) If infected, ask your doctors to use the FLCC (or equivalent) medicines EARLY, which GREATLY HELPS your own body to fight off the infection. Once you recover, your body’s immune system will be “trained” to fight ALL variants of COVID far better than any specific mRNA jabs.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Very Brainwashed

    YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE PROVERBIAL HEAD – but sadly among the walking corpses in the graveyard including some ghosts still loitering here – are INTELLECTUALLY DEAD before mortality ending.

    THESE mob can’t be cured because they are plainly too stupid to even begin to discover they are stupid beyond infinity.

    Some are so blind that they can’t see official narratives from the political cows are like shifting sands in desert storm – hiding inside are lots of venomous snakes of deadly lies.

    Very brainwashed: GMS is really hard to brainwash, unlike some writers here. His reasoning is right.

    Some numbers are even worse. Those already seriously sick in hospital get covid from vaccinated nurses and doctors, and they are counted as those unvax covid cases in hospital.

    One has to look hard at reports from various countries to come to a reasonable conclusion. Even then, much of the stats are not accurate. US universities found very under-reported death numbers. World data follows Singapore gov in under-reporting covid cases. One-year experience can claim zero long term effects.

    A large lump of salt to everything.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Spineless Sinkie Syndrome

    YOU ARE NOT ALONE in this fabulously SMACKING TRUTH revelation.

    Spineless Sinkie Syndrome: To nitrogen, I’ve shared this before, but you missed my comments prior to this article. Calling those (mRNA) jabs as “vaccines” is a medical crime.

    Long-time vaccine professionals like this one AGREES WITH YOU WHOLESALE.

    Professor Christian Perronne :I am not anti-vaccine, because I wrote the vaccination policy for France for a great many years. But the problem is that the products they call “vaccines” for Covid-19 are not really vaccines. That’s my problem…….

    Maybe genetic modifiers; I don’t exactly know the proper term from a scientific point of view. But when you inject messenger RNA to produce a huge amount of a spike protein, a fragment of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, you can’t control the process. And the problem is that in human cells, we know that RNA might go back to DNA.

    Normally, it goes from DNA to RNA—this may be a little bit difficult for a general audience to understand—but it may go in the reverse direction, because we have in our chromosomes, in our genome, genes in our DNA originating from retroviruses, of animal origin centuries or millennia ago, and these can code for enzymes which can code in the reverse direction.

    So we now know (it’s officially published), and now we find, in the human genome, sequences of DNA corresponding to the RNA of the virus. That’s proof that what I said in an open letter in December [2020], saying that it was dangerous to inject these products, has now been confirmed. And all the governments continue! To me, it’s a great mistake.

    And who is Professor Professor Christian Perronne?

    Professor Perronne is Head of the Medical Department at Raymond Poincaré Hospital in Garches, the teaching hospital for the University of Versailles-St Quentin near Paris. He was the University’s Head of Department for Infectious and Tropical Diseases from 1994 onwards, but was fired from that position a few months ago.

    He is simply ‘TOO HOT” of truths revelations.

    France’s long-time vaccine policy chief: Covid policy is “completely stupid” and “unethical”

    https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/frances-long-time-vaccine-policy-chief-covid-policy-is-completely-stupid-and-unethical

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Very brainwashed:
    GMS is really hard to brainwash, unlike some writers here. His reasoning is right.

    Hello,
    You are the one who was brainwashed by GMS.

    GMS is not trustworthy…
    Before Y2020, he brags that he flew to Hong Kong to walk shoulder to shoulder with the stopid Hong Kees pro democracy protesters to demand for greater freedom.
    This was when the event was peaceful.

    Fast forward to Y2020, when the stopid Hong Kees pro democracy protesters turns violence. GMS kept quiet and did not fly to Hong Kong to join the protest to fight, yes physically fight for freedom.

    GMS is dishone$t, same as Hong Kee Lawyer Martin Lee who instigate the stopid students to charge at the frontline while he hides from the front line and enjoy fine dining with his pastor, yes pastor is not hone$t too.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXjSv3Hj-Xg

    PAP supporters please print/distribute/share my post.
    In Dollar$ We Tru$t. Prai$e the Dollar$. Glory be with the Dollar$

    GE2024.PAP.Guarantee.Win.Again
    Majullah $PAP$ $PAP$ Huat$ Huat$ Huat$
    Singaporeans must be Cheaperer, Betterer, Fasterer
    Workers must accept wage sacrifices to keep businesses going.

    Tech: I have been reading this half-truth from you for some time, thought I would correct you once and for all. GMS and his family are in Hong Kong because his wife works there (a senior position), so there is no need for him to (as you claimed), fly there and fly back and fly there.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: Hello,
    You are the one who was brainwashed by GMS.

    GMS is not trustworthy…
    Before Y2020, he brags that he flew to Hong Kong to walk shoulder to shoulder with the stopid Hong Kees pro democracy protesters to demand for greater freedom.
    This was when the event was peaceful.

    Fast forward to Y2020, when the stopid Hong Kees pro democracy protesters turns violence. GMS kept quiet and did not fly to Hong Kong to join the protest to fight, yes physically fight for freedom.

    GMS is dishone$t, same as Hong Kee Lawyer Martin Lee who instigate the stopid students to charge at the frontline while he hides from the front line and enjoy fine dining with his pastor, yes pastor is not hone$t too.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXjSv3Hj-Xg

    PAP supporters please print/distribute/share my post.
    In Dollar$ We Tru$t. Prai$e the Dollar$. Glory be with the Dollar$

    GE2024.PAP.Guarantee.Win.Again
    Majullah $PAP$ $PAP$ Huat$ Huat$ Huat$
    Singaporeans must be Cheaperer, Betterer, Fasterer
    Workers must accept wage sacrifices to keep businesses going.

    Tech: I have been reading this half-truth from you for some time, thought I would correct you once and for all. GMS and his family are in Hong Kong because his wife works there (a senior position), so there is no need for him to (as you claimed), fly there and fly back and fly there.

    @Tech
    damned … I did not save GMS post. In one of his post, he said something like “just back to Singapore” something to that effect.

    It is ok… I will start saving all you opposition post.
    Thank you.

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