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CECA: Can Opposition Parties Work Together and Within the System for Change?

Can the opposition parties work together within the system for change? That appears to be the question many Singaporeans would like an answer to.

According to Nitrogen on TRE: Sep 5, 2021 (Quote)

We say CECA is wrong. But as someone said, an agreement is an agreement:
1. Unless the parties to the agreement are stupid, surely, there is an escape clause in the agreement?

The million-dollar questions then:

What if the agreement can only be revoked after a certain time and it still has several years to run, or only by mutual agreement and why should the Indian side agree?

What if PAP still has the majority after the next election(s)?

Hence, the oppositions had better stop dreaming and start thinking how best to realistically migitate CECA’s negative effects on the affected Sinkies, by working within the system.

Afterall, according to Harder Truths on TRE: Sep 8, 2021(Quote)

$G WILL remain open. No question. … Let us not fool ourselves that sitting around talking is changing anything. Talk is cheap. … What we need is acceptance that things have changed and are never going back to what they were This is the new normal and it will only get worse. $G born will just have to deal with it or get stuffed.

So what do you say: PSP, WP, Reform, SDP,…

Your continued silence will give voters the wrong impression (?) that you don’t know how to work within the system, or work together?

Or you have no idea how to mitigate the negative effects?

Or worse, you are only interested in gettting into the parliament; that’s why you don’t work together, and only active just before an election — according to the electorate?

Lastly, the Government must have known full well the negative effects of CECA on its citizen. But why it still agreed to and even renewed it?

Kenneth should be able to guesstimate the pros/cons and the net gain/loss to SG, to enlighten us all?

What do our learnered readers think?

 

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74 Responses to “CECA: Can Opposition Parties Work Together and Within the System for Change?”

  • opposition dude:

    It remains to be seen if the opposition parties can work together or not. The main stumbling block are the kiasee dafts who still cannot imagine a SIngapore without PAP governing it.

    But should the opposition parties form the government then it will be interesting to see how they go about CECA. Of course we all have our own opinions on how CECA should be handled but those in the government sector would have more inside info than we who aren’t in the sector.

    So for now, just concentrate on voting in more opposition because the last few elections have shown that the majority prefer baby steps, they have to be shown that having more opposition doesn’t mean that the country will collapse and that the opposition have to always be speaking out for us all. So don’t be surprised if the opposition win more GRCs next election since it has been proven that more opposition in parliament isn’t a bad thing for the country.

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  • Realistically:

    >>So what do you say: PSP, WP, Reform, SDP,…<<

    Please lah……..when did ANY of those so-called oppos – except Kenneth Jeyaretnam – care about the fate of sinkies and SINKaPOOR…….

    For the wayang-party, their former Sec-Gen and MP for 30 years until FE 2020 had already said PUBLICLY that the wayang-party has been and still is a "CO-DRIVER" with the emperor without clothes and that Sylvia Lim, the Chairman of the wayang-party had defended the EWC judiciary at the 2007 International Bar Association meeting held for the 1st time in SINKaPOOR. WHEREAS the wayang-party supposed star MP, Jamus Lim admitted in Parliament that he/the wayang-party did not have the figures for the minimum wage even as he had claimed during the only televised debate ad part of the GE hustings, that he/wayang-party had done the "MATHS" on the minimum wage issue. Also he and the wayang-party MPs failed to honour their promise not to give the emperor without clothes regime "BLANK CHEQUES" when the EWC had been raiding the reserves to deal with the COVID-19 pandemic…………you call these wayang-party MPs "oppos"? Anyone who still thinks the wayang-party MPs are genuine oppos must be INSANE ……..to me they have always been SNAKE OIL conmen.

    Chee Soon Juan, the Sec-Gen of SDP since ousting Chiam See Tong, has taken to shit-stirring to raise his profile…………calling for the wastage of $ to provide for a PAVEMENT for pedestrians at an HDB residential precinct DRIVEWAY which he had mischievously described as a "ROAD"…………..subsequently he raised the issue of missing lamp post cover at a supposed "busy" NTUC outlet. I could not find the supposed missing cover lamp-post when I looked around the said NTUC outlet soon after seeing the post on TOC.

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  • @Realistically

    I agree with you. From experience, I don’t think the larger oppos will respond. To them, they are too high class and do not wish to be associated with readers from a “cowboy town”.

    Smaller oppos IMHO, are more readily approachable and more likely to respond.

    I would be happy if they prove me wrong, but so far, as far as the oppos are concerned, I have not been wrong on a single instance in a decade on TRE.

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  • Naked Truth:

    Even if there is an escape clause would PAP execute it?

    The only solution is to let a new government takes over.
    They don’t need escape clause. Like one country promised “50 years no change”,

    Change can be done without escape clause. Like TT is not for police.

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  • xoxo:

    Why CECA has been stupidly observed in the midst of Covid PANDEMIC.
    It is obvious our G gives Sg n sgs NO ROOM to voice REAL CONCERNS.
    THE IMPORTATION OF DELTA-INFECTED CECA-FTs n their RELATIVES N EVEN seeming *partners* is surely a clear SIGN that the CECA-FTA favours Indian FTs exclusively,against Sg and sgs’ interests.

    Why shud we accept DELTA-INFECTED CECA-FTs into Sg to QUARANTINE N THEN *INTEGRATE* N ,OBVIOUSLY,TRANSMIT THE HIGHLY INFECTIOUS DELTA to sgs?

    This must be re-visited by WP to show responsible opposition LEADERSHIP.

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  • Naked truth:

    Read an interesting article how third world interviews first world. The Cow gave very practical advice, said degrees can eat or not.

    Read another interesting article, parents kpkb to MOE about very difficult PSLE Maths exam paper.

    Second article makes first article no sense. It should not have happened but it happen in Sinkapore. Sinkapore parents should send their children to study in third world. Unbelievable 4Gs managing your lives we have.

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  • Bernard:

    Dear Dy Editor,
    Isn’t the current government LEEgally self paid themselves million dollars to bring great leadership?
    Pls do seek their (ruling government) feedback on paying part of their million dollars pay to suggestions?
    Thank you

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  • Realistically:

    @ TRE Techie:
    October 3, 2021 at 11:53 pm (Quote)

    >>To them, they are too high class and do not wish to be associated with readers from a “cowboy town”.<<

    I hv posted enough as regard my view of the wayang-party, SDP and PV…………

    In the case of the wayang-party MPs, Low Thia Khiang who was MP for 30 years until GE 2020 had publicly said that his wayang-party functioned as the PAPie regime's "CO-DRIVER"; being validated by the wayang-party Chairman and then NCMP Sylvia Lim defending the PAPie regime's judiciary during the International Bar Association's meeting in SINKaPOOR in 2007. Then currently, sinkies see the wayang-party MP & Leader of the (supposed) opposition, raising the Mayor's pay as an important issue the combined pay of whom amounts to only 0.003% of the 2020 Budget, while their other supposed star MP who graduated in law from Cambridge U raising the gender equality issue whereas the other wayang-party MPs also raising issues inappropriate to the REAL issue which has been the epic failures of the emperor without clothes in the mismanagement of the COVID-19 pandemic, as compared to Taiwan. And the disasters at TH and GIC as to the returns, if not losses, from our reserves.

    Whereas Chee Soon Juan had NEVER spoken to me even as I had been to several of the SDP organised functions including a New Year eve gathering………and stirring-shit about the need to have a separate pedestrian pavement along an HDB residential estate at Bukit Batok SMC……….what a joke.

    As I've been saying for many years now, the so-called oppos dun give a damn about the plight of sinkies and SINKaPOOR's future – which the emperor without clothes hide behind the term "public interest".

    For your (& readers') info, I have just emailed all MPs (except the wayang-party MPs) my views about FICA: I said scrap it or at least hold a Parliament Select Committee hearing like the one held on the POFMA issue, in which I hv also included a letter I wrote and sent by email to the ST's Forum editor on Saturday, which for obvious reason, refused to publish it, which shows that the emperor without clothes FICA Bill is just another self-serving legislation which over-rides the "public interest".

    Tech: Why don’t you send that email to TRE and pen it as an open letter?

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    This forumer True Blue Singaporean is right, especially this statement by him “Just look at the kind of derogatory and racist comments by SOME forummers here.”

    And the Mod here also banned my comments on clan association.

    True Blue Singaporean:
    The problem is, Leong and PSP aren’t really bothered about the numbers, or helping Singaporeans. They are simply trying to get power by stoking fears of the Chinese, who form 75 % of the population and hence it is an easy platform. It can certainly reap them lot of benefits, even after their disastrous performance in Parliament. Its all about optics.

    Indeed, many Chinese will look at PSP as their “saviour”. Its just a platform for them to gain power. Even if they win power, I can assure you PSP will not cancel Ceca with India, at most make some minor tinkering and claim they have followed up on their promise. But in the process, they are creating walls and racial strife in Spore which will be detrimental to Spore, which really has nothing to fall back on.

    Just look at the kind of derogatory and racist comments by SOME forummers here. To be fair, PSP is not the initiator of this. They are simply trying to ride a wave that has been created by some motivated groups, creating false narratives.

    If PSP truly has concerns of Singaporeans and not using race to gain power, they can redeem themselves in the following way. Since PSP claims they are also concerned with FTAs with China, US and Australia, perhaps the next time, they should mention “concern with some FTAs, eg with China” or at the minimum, “concern with some FTAs, eg India, China, USA, Australia”. The ball is in their court to redeem themselves.

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  • Ab is Back Again:

    Pritam is right in saying many people are using the CECA with India as a “dogwhistle, masquerading racism for genuine economic concerns”.

    Population in Brief reports released by the govt every year show:
    Every year, there are more than 20k new citizens and 30k PRs. Every year, breakdown is like
    - 60% + from South East Asia (Malaysian Chinese would be the bulk of it)
    - 30 % from rest of Asia (which will include China, HK, Taiwan, Korea, Japan, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Middle East etc combined)
    - 5 to10% from rest of world

    But motivated campaigns are giving false narratives that Indians form the bulk of new citizens / PRs. Please also note that to get citizenship / PR, you first have to be EP holder (and some higher level S Pass). So, these new citizens / PRs are also taking up good jobs. Part of the driver for this is the govt’s officially stated policy to maintain Singapore current racial balance at Chinese 75%, Malay 15%, Indian 7.5%. Since Chinese TFR is half of replacement level, they need to bring in hundreds of thousands of ethnic Chinese. My estimate is 1.5 million citizenship given to PRC / Malaysian Chinese since 1985, and the original true blue Singaporean Chinese is in the minority now. While 25 % of EP is from India which is high, China and Malaysia would also be having 15 % of EP each, so difference is not that much. In S Pass, India would be small, and bulk would be Malaysia / PRC.

    UN report says
    total foreigners in Singapore – 2.16 million
    Malaysia – 952,261 (44 %)
    PRC – 380,145 (18 %)
    Indonesia – 138,338 (6.4 %) (80k to 100k may be maids)
    India – 127,440 (5.9 %) (70k to 80k are construction workers)
    Pakistan – 110,160 (5.1 %)
    HK / Macau – 71,280 (3.3 %)
    Bangladesh – 69,120 (3.2 %) (vast majority construction workers)
    Others – 311,256 (14.4 %)

    (These do not include the people already granted citizenship eg 1.5 million citizenship given to PRC / Malaysian Chinese).

    These correspond to the 25 % of EP being Indians ie 43k, some S Pass and 70k construction. So no where near the hundreds of thousands false narrative being peddled. And is dwarfed by Malaysian / PRC immigrants.

    Malaysians / PRC are not maids or construction workers. Some Malaysians, maybe 100k doing low end jobs like sweeping roads. Rest are taking up good jobs of Singaporeans or wage kept terribly depressed. They take up mid-skilled jobs in industry / office / services which arguably are more accessible to average, ordinary Singaporeans (IT jobs require a certain aptitude and not suited for most).

    Hence I request fair minded Singaporeans not to fall for false narratives. We do have a staggering number of immigrants and we are getting very congested, and we have to raze forests to house them. Infrastructure problems, inflation, cost of buying HDB flats also going up so much etc.
    But nothing will have a material impact on ordinary Singaporeans lives unless we stem the biggest tides from Malaysia and PRC.

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  • Raeeeeeesah! Tio Kan liao!:

    TRE Techie:
    @Realistically

    I agree with you. From experience, I don’t think the larger oppos will respond. To them, they are too high class and do not wish to be associated with readers from a “cowboy town”.

    Smaller oppos IMHO, are more readily approachable and more likely to respond.

    I would be happy if they prove me wrong, but so far, as far as the oppos are concerned, I have not been wrong on a single instance in a decade on TRE.

    What high class? Now tio kan in pariahmen liao. Feminist activist wanna make false allegation to further own agenda? Now see how she gets out of the grilling oven. lol

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  • Fire:

    The system is DEAD.
    Working together is more challenging.

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  • What's the problem with TRE:

    TRE Techie: I agree with you. From experience, I don’t think the larger oppos will respond. To them, they are too high class and do not wish to be associated with readers from a “cowboy town”.

    Then make TRE higher class than them lah. Why cannot? Whether the moderator got the standard and guts to drain the swamp in TRE. What’s the problem??

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  • boh chee:

    Alamak, boh chee. Dare not mention name even in the protected house. But, then, she really boh chee.

    WTF, they have to protect the gun carrier puppies so much. Must worship puppies like the badminton, basketball or whatever courts.

    When someone points out the errors, they should graciously accept and change for the better. Wasting taxpayer money.

    Raeeeeeesah! Tio Kan liao!: What high class? Now tio kan in pariahmen liao. Feminist activist wanna make false allegation to further own agenda? Now see how she gets out of the grilling oven. lol

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  • House of laughing hyenas:

    With PS around , its an absolute impossibility.

    I am not saying CECA and him share commonality. Please do not misconstrue.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Ab is Back Again:
    Pritam is right in saying many people are using the CECA with India as a “dogwhistle, masquerading racism for genuine economic concerns”.

    …………
    But motivated campaigns are giving false narratives that Indians form the bulk of new citizens / PRs.

    That is right.

    Unfortunately many oppie are blind and had no critical or in depth analysis like me or True Blue Singaporean.

    They are minister material for canon fodder, to be manipulated, used and then dumped like the stopid Hong Kees.

    CIA briefing
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  • Realistically:

    @ Tech

    >>Tech: Why don’t you send that email to TRE and pen it as an open letter?<<

    I intend to, in due course.

    I've not done so for the simple reason that I do NOT want the wayang-party MPs to free-load on my ideas.

    In the meantime, I just want to read what transpired in Parliament on 4/10………..

    However, I'm posting hereunder, my letter to the 160th ranked Straits Times which had refused to publish it, at least on 4/10. (I've not checked if the ST has published it today, 5/10, but according to the ST SOP, it would NOT publish any letter which had appeared elsewhere, and since I've included it in my email to ALL MPs, except the wayang-party MPs, yesterday, and that the ST would probably know about it, I don't expect the ST to publish it.)

    My letter which must comply to the ST's policy of not more than 400 words and therefore insufficient to totally debunk that by MHA and the commentary in support of the FICA legislation would appear in the next post……..with my full name Bin Hee Heng

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  • the uphill difficulties:

    //I agree with you. From experience, I don’t think the larger oppos will respond. To them, they are too high class and do not wish to be associated with readers from a “cowboy town”.//

    which parties (small ?) which you think will respond ??

    if you “eliminate” (wink wink) all larger oppo parties (or at least those known to oppo supporters ??) which have at least made some inroad despite the uphill difficulties, which small parties are left to again start from the foothill (lowest point of the hill ??) ??

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  • What a stupid question?:

    Can the opposition parties work with the ruling party? Just from this ?, lky is right to tell the world that Sinkies r stupid! PAP has since lky launched on his nepotic agenda been unable to tolerate opposition, critics both expert n citizens including local n foreign media. Even on Covid 19 PAP cannot even worked with the Singaporean expert on infectious disease who happens to be a member of the opposition. Now Singaporeans affirmed lky humiliating proclamation of having s daft population.
    This is also reflected in a self righteous private tutor on the parents’ message to Cotton sheep on the PSLE maths question. Why the self righteous garbage not sending his bootlicking comments that excite Gorilla Jinx to the Cotton Sheep n the DHS of what they have been doing for the past 5 decades r the root cause of parent outrage. Talking about blaming other instead of themselves for every half barrel shits policy these garbage tier poos n pees put out.
    Gorilla zjinx should shut herself in for piling all those $$$ on a lying shit for some undisclosed services other than lies n brownosing, b(c) licking services rather than providing stress relievers to the needies during the Arma is right the corner as she persists to shit evils on SIN soils.
    Compliant Bs n Dynasty evil agenda as DHS siblings revealed have their significance. Instead of swallowing the bitter pills the old man sent thru the siblings, evil doubles. Greeds on pademic is the ultimate! Professionals lost their balls is the worst can happen to a nation. The fake infestious medical experts should have the professional dignity to recommend their most suitable colleague rather than complying to the garbage n ievil of putting their greeds before the health of the people they swear by their holy books to serve in their interests n benefits!

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  • Realistically:

    Re my letter to the 160th ranked ST which refused to publish it in which I debunked the MHA’s letter and the commentary by former top civil servant Ong Keng Yam who I understand was trained as a lawyer if my memory is correct, Ong Keng Yam was also PPA to wooden Goh Chok Tong and Dr Stanley Lai SC of Allen & Gledhill LLC, I just wish to state that I emailed my letter to the ST with my FULL personal particulars, just after noon on Saturday, 2/10/21. So the ST would have plenty of time to publish it on the following Monday, 4/10, more than in time for the Parliament debate on the FICA Bill, which I just read, has been “PASSED”.

    The FACT that the ST had refused to publish it only goes to show that the emperor without clothes regime CANNOT defend FICA and that it is against “public interest”.

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  • below your high standards:

    //For your (& readers’) info, I have just emailed all MPs (except the wayang-party MPs) my views about FICA: I said scrap it or at least hold a Parliament Select Committee hearing like the one held on the POFMA issue, in which I hv also included a letter I wrote and sent by email to the ST’s Forum editor on Saturday, which for obvious reason, refused to publish it, which shows that the emperor without clothes FICA Bill is just another self-serving legislation which over-rides the “public interest”.//

    aiyoh. such a not-wayang-at-all talent like you can also get ignored ? what more to say about all the wayang-layang parties that have fallen below your high standards ?? you think it is so easy to play mahjong with the white idiots huh ?

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  • twiddling their spreadsheet:

    //Please also note that to get citizenship / PR, you first have to be EP holder (and some higher level S Pass). So, these new citizens / PRs are also taking up good jobs. Part of the driver for this is the govt’s officially stated policy to maintain Singapore current racial balance at Chinese 75%, Malay 15%, Indian 7.5%. Since Chinese TFR is half of replacement level, they need to bring in hundreds of thousands of ethnic Chinese. My estimate is 1.5 million citizenship given to PRC / Malaysian Chinese since 1985, and the original true blue Singaporean Chinese is in the minority now. While 25 % of EP is from India which is high, China and Malaysia would also be having 15 % of EP each, so difference is not that much. In S Pass, India would be small, and bulk would be Malaysia / PRC.//

    aiyoh. in short, daft sinkies get shafted from all sides – with the white monkey idiots happily twiddling their spreadsheet on the racial mix while shouting the need for ownself-check-ownself curry party function ????

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Realistically:
    @ TRE Techie:
    October 3, 2021 at 11:53 pm (Quote)

    >>To them, they are too high class and do not wish to be associated with readers from a “cowboy town”.<<

    I hv posted enough as regard my view of the wayang-party, SDP and PV…………
    ………..
    ………..

    the REAL issue which has been the epic failures of the emperor without clothes in the mismanagement of the COVID-19 pandemic, as compared to Taiwan.

    Are you sure that Taiwan did better than us in managing C19 ?

    Where did you get the information ?

    Did you got brainwashed by the ev1l Democratic propaganda ?

    You should read more widely … please read the real facts here.

    1. Taipei has been struggling to secure enough vaccines for its population
    https://www.voanews.com/a/covid-19-pandemic_tech-giants-donate-covid-vaccines-taiwan-china-workaround/6208146.html

    2. Democratic vaccination were treated like d0g
    百米衝刺搶殘劑 民眾怒批「像狗一樣」
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElqfrOgiXDE

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  • Singaporeahseng:

    An Agreement can always be rescinded and renegotiated, but in good faith. If our rep had agreed to have more Indians here in exchange for business, then lift over these privileges for each other. It is not an entitlement because if it caused harm to one country, the privilege is lifted off. There is always an exit clause in the Ceca Agreement. We just need to find it.

    All the oppositions MPs and non MPs need to work to have CECA revoked. A Committee should be formed and headed by a competent opposition member. The best person who has the skills and integrity should be Dr Chee. (This is my opinion because I see his actions and his talks are genuine love in action)

    Also, Pritam Singh should be working towards a shadow cabinet to prepare for each area of the country being studied and propose alternative plans in Finance, Trade, Social, Community, Hospitals, Security, Defence, Education, Health, Science, Industries, IT, Laws…. Out of this, he can prioritise 5 areas first, in lieu of competent manpower. It is also no shame to invite other parties and competent concerned citizens to join their shadow ministries.

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  • got chee or boh chee:

    //Alamak, boh chee. Dare not mention name even in the protected house. But, then, she really boh chee.//

    aiyoh. where got chee or boh chee ?? even white idiots do not wish to reveal certain matters saying sensitive this and that right ??? you mean white idiots got chee or boh chee ???

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  • Raeeeesh boh chee:

    got chee or boh chee:
    //Alamak, boh chee. Dare not mention name even in the protected house. But, then, she really boh chee.//

    aiyoh. where got chee or boh chee ?? even white idiots do not wish to reveal certain matters saying sensitive this and that right ??? you mean white idiots got chee or boh chee ???

    aiyoyo, boh chee. how to fight for feminist rights? dare not stand at street corners, also dare not fight in parliament. might as well don’t be called boh liao (no substance) activist MP. Wanna make allegations but no gut to fight when the goings get tough.

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  • Realistically:

    @ Singaporeans R Free Riders:
    October 5, 2021 at 1:06 pm (Quote)

    >>Are you sure that Taiwan did better than us in managing C19 ?<<

    I hv said that I've emailed to ALL the MPs from Speaker, PM, Ministers to NCMPs & NMPs, except the wayang-party MPs……stating inter alia, that the new cases and deaths as reported by Taiwan & SINKaPOOR, show that Taiwan's has managed the COVID-19 pandemic MUCH MUCH MUCH better than the incompetent emperor without clothes regime.

    If my info is in ANY WAY incorrect, it is up to your emperor without clothes regimee's MMTF/MOH to give the correct picture. In any case, I hv been posting Taiwan's COVID-19 new cases and deaths as against SINKaPOOR's dismal figures on TRE and on TOC b4 it was taken down…….without ANYONE showing with the facts otherwise.

    I hv also shown that the humongous losses in the BILLIONS of $$$$$$$, as a result of the incompetence of the leadership at TH and that the new TH CEO Dilhan Pillay should be held accountable for the paper loss in TH's "investment" in Bayer………..as follows:

    "Based on Bayer’s last Friday’s closing price, I estimate that TH had suffered a paper loss of S$3.278 BILLION."

    which is about 56% LOSS from TH's total "gamble" (as it turns out) of the estimated amount.

    Dilhan Pillay, being a LAWYER, and was, I remember, based in the US and in charge of TH's investments in the US, Canada, and north & south America companies………….Bayer had been hit by the law suits against Monsanto………….so dun try your dirty and malicious attempt to cast doubt about what I say.

    As it is YOU don't even hv the balls to post in your own name.

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  • Realistically:

    Regarding CECA

    It is immaterial whether PSP’s Leong Mun Wai and or Hazel Poa got the figures right or not.

    From SINKaPOOR’s perspective, India was SUPPOSED to have huge “POTENTIAL”……..but after more than 15 years since CECA was signed/effective, there has been NO report of SINKaPOOR company making any $$$$$$ from their biz activities, be it direct FDI or portfolio investments.

    I hv stated that for all the SUPPOSED “POTENTIAL” which India is/was thought to be with huge “POTENTIAL” Temasek Holdings, under Ho Ching, had suffered losses in India’s telecom provider Bharti Airtel and FAILED to take up its right issue entitlement & instead arranged for GIC to take up part of its rights entitlement and Singtel raking up the rest.

    Let me state categorically that CECA is NOT like any other FTA SINKaPOOR signed with other countries, including China………….it should NOT be renewed, especially under the current terms.

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  • Realistically:

    Unpublished Letter To The Straits Times

    2 October 2021

    The Editor
    Straits Times Forum
    Singapore
    [email protected]

    Dear Sir

    Foreign Interference (Countermeasures) Bill

    The letter by the Ministry of Home Affairs (ST 2/21) and the commentary by Mr Ong Keng Yam and Senior Counsel, Dr Stanley Lai (ST 1/10) (OL commentary) which was in response to Mr Harpreet Singh Nehal’s commentary (ST 30/9) failed to address HSN’s concern which I whole heartedly share, as they failed to state exactly what constitutes “public interest”. In any case, if the issues the Bill is supposed to be dealing with are so simple as MHA indicates, the Act arising would not have to consist of 253 pages. Unlike other countries where foreign interference has been alleged, Singapore is different in that the print media and its online content still exert more influence on the public’s perception of the realities of the local politics.

    The O/L commentary mentioned of an English CA case, which Dr Lai has kindly pointed me of the case of Carnduff v Rock [2001] 1 WLR 1786 (“Carnduff”). That case which was brought by an English Police informer, can be distinguished from any likely case covered by the Bill in that there would be no need for Police tactic/strategy of crime prevention to be compromised in a judicial review process.

    While mention have been made on the Nageandran v PP case, MHA’s letter/OL commentary omitted to mention of the judgment at [73]: “..any society that prides itself in being governed by the rule of law, as our society does, must hold steadfastly to the principle that “[a]ll power has legal limits and the rule of law demands that the courts should be able to examine the exercise of discretionary power”. Other authorities cited included : R v Secretary of State for the Home Department, ex p Khawaja [1984] AC 741 at 108–109, although I would suggest at [45]: “…the dangers of uncertainty in certain branches of the law (especially the criminal law) which the centrality of Bill regarding “public interest” which is undefined would result. CJ Chan Sek Keong (“Judicial Review – From Angst to Empathy”2) said “.it includes reviewing legislative acts for unconstitutionality, in view of the doctrine of constitutional supremacy under the Constitution”. Separately CJ Chan (THE COURTS AND THE ‘RULE OF LAW’ IN SINGAPORE3) also stated that: “The ‘rule of law’ is an integral part of the Constitution as much as the Constitution establishes the ‘rule of law’”.

    For public interests and reasons above, I suggest more public consultation as in the POFMA case, be held.

    Yours sincerely

    Bin Hee Heng

    P/s: Ong Keng Yam/Dr Lai’s commentary found at https://www.singaporelawwatch.sg/Headlines/anti-foreign-interference-bill-a-sharper-tool-for-the-digital-age-opinion
    nti-foreign interference Bill – a sharper tool for the digital age: Opinion

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  • masculine tough ones:

    //how to fight for feminist rights? dare not stand at street corners, also dare not fight in parliament. might as well don’t be called boh liao (no substance) activist MP. Wanna make allegations but no gut to fight when the goings get tough.//

    hahaha. it takes practice lar ??? just like a lot of daft sinkies need to take practice not to be daft lar ??? even our boys (masculine tough ones hor NS some more) got to take a lot time to develop some chee to face FTs leh even with their lunches stolen in front of them – also LL in front of the white monkey idiots ??

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  • Realistically:

    To Tre Tech

    You might want to start a separate thread n FICA from what I’ve posted, including my unpublished letter to the 160th ranked ST.

    Thanks

    Bin Hee Heng

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  • Realistically:

    By the way, as regards CECA.

    The alleged no. of Malaysian and or PRC immigrants/PR/naturalised citizens are irrelevant as far as the CECA issue is concerned………..and therefore IMMATERIAL to the FACT that from the SINKaPOOR’s perspective as to the supposed “POTENTIAL” India presented/presents………..which I hv said, has not eventuated, UNLIKE SINKaPOOR companies making $$$$$$ from its FTA with other countries, including China.

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  • guess which direction:

    //From SINKaPOOR’s perspective, India was SUPPOSED to have huge “POTENTIAL”……..but after more than 15 years since CECA was signed/effective, there has been NO report of SINKaPOOR company making any $$$$$$ from their biz activities, be it direct FDI or portfolio investments.//

    hope miracle will happen lar ?? the disparities over many things between the two countries and people are too great lar (wink wink if you know what that means) ??? there is a saying hor, meeting at a mid point lar and guess which direction sinkie land will likely move towards lar ???

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Ab is Back Again:
    Pritam is right in saying many people are using the CECA with India as a “dogwhistle, masquerading racism for genuine economic concerns”.
    ————
    …………
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    Hence I request fair minded Singaporeans not to fall for false narratives. We do have a staggering number of immigrants and we are getting very congested, and we have to raze forests to house them. Infrastructure problems, inflation, cost of buying HDB flats also going up so much etc.
    But nothing will have a material impact on ordinary Singaporeans lives unless we stem the biggest tides from Malaysia and PRC.

    Hi,
    Historically Singapore and Malaysia are one cuntry 2 systems.
    Many of us here have relatives on mainland Malaysia.
    So, Malaysian is welcome. But not PRC or ROC, both are land of the bad eggs.
    I am a fair minded Singaporeans and this is the hard truth.

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  • Pioneer speaks:

    Please salute all oppo members,its like moving a ton of bricks up hill,
    I respect all oppo members I hope in my lifetime can see change of govt,
    For my children n their children sake,
    Pity our kids psle exam,exam high std for what to become grab driver,hawker ,all good jobs taken by foreign trash,
    The punishment for stopping at 2 is this influx of foreign trash

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Realistically:
    Regarding CECA
    ……………
    ……………
    Let me state categorically that CECA is NOT like any other FTA SINKaPOOR signed with other countries, including China………….it should NOT be renewed, especially under the current terms.

    Honestly, it show that you are biased….what so different with China ?

    China had scammed us over Suzhou park and you conveniently forgotten about it or are you just racist that only target India CECA ?

    And are you telling me there is no fake degree from China ?

    Do you need me to point you to one example of fake degree currently in the spotlight in China ?

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  • culture and attitude:

    //Many of us here have relatives on mainland Malaysia.
    So, Malaysian is welcome. But not PRC or ROC, both are land of the bad eggs.//

    aiyoh. by right, all blood is red lar ?? but hor, culture and attitude different lar ?? our northern neighbours (or any FT) must be so happy that there are so many daft sinkies where they can “bao-jiak” compliment from the white monkey idiots lar ???

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  • Raeeeesh boh chee:

    masculine tough ones:
    //how to fight for feminist rights? dare not stand at street corners, also dare not fight in parliament. might as well don’t be called boh liao (no substance) activist MP. Wanna make allegations but no gut to fight when the goings get tough.//

    hahaha. it takes practice lar ??? just like a lot of daft sinkies need to take practice not to be daft lar ??? even our boys (masculine tough ones hor NS some more) got to take a lot time to develop some chee to face FTs leh even with their lunches stolen in front of them – also LL in front of the white monkey idiots ??

    wah lao eh…how many donkey years NS still cannot develop chee. Last time NS boys trained under Israeli still got the chee, now this generation develop the other kind of “chee.” Practice more will become full-blown cheeeB! Now all eat full full, can only fight for feminist, lgbt and animal rights. Proof this generation sinkies, no hope.

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  • Realistically:

    @ Singaporeans R Free Riders:
    October 5, 2021 at 5:26 pm (Quote)

    >>China had scammed us over Suzhou park and you conveniently forgotten about it or are you just racist that only target India CECA ?<<

    No wonder SINKaPOOR sinking deeper and deeper into the shit hole……..with low life idiots like you confirming that Lee Kuan Yew was so great after all……….being "scammed" by the much more street smart PRC Chinese.

    As for CECA……again you just confirm that you and the emperor without clothes are too low life and incompetent about CECA…….that again the emperor without clothes CANNOT defend CECA with concrete proof of CECA being of ANY benefit to SINKaPOOR & sinkies………oh, where and what "Prospect"?

    PATHETIC……….which is why SINKaPOOR is in such a poor state………as revealed by none other than the emperor without clothes preferred seat-warmer cotton from sheep Chan Chun Sing when he was MTI Minister.

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  • Realistically:

    Sorry slight mistake: should have been Lee Kuan Yew was NOT so great after all……..being kenna “SCAMMED” by the PRC Chinese.

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  • Realistically:

    Oh, I shan’t bother to reply to any other comment …………at my discretion.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Realistically:
    I hv been posting Taiwan’s COVID-19 new cases and deaths as against SINKaPOOR’s dismal figures on TRE and on TOC b4 it was taken down…….without ANYONE showing with the facts otherwise.

    So, you think very high of yourselves that your facts are the correct one.

    Can you show the readers here your C19 figures and source of the figures.

    No answer and selectively at your discretion ?

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  • Ab is Back Again:

    to Spore Are Free Riders,
    I have nothing against Malaysians or any one else. I understand your sentiment on relatives etc. But the issue is about massive congestion in Spore (and increasing price of HDB which are also becoming smaller to accommodate more and more citizens, COE will become like $150k in a few years if more citizens and no increase in Coe quota, and overcrowding in mrt / schools / medical facilities etc), good jobs being taken away and also some are concerned on voting patterns of new citizens. I have shown all the numbers how this is contributed mostly by Malaysians followed by PRC. How can we give blank cheque to Malaysians to come into Singapore? there are 32 million Malaysians of which Chinese are 10 million. we will be swamped and suffer a living hell in tiny island of ours.

    to Realistic / Heng Bin,
    I have already told you before that Singapore has a huge trade surplus with India.
    In 2019, Singapore had a huge trade surplus of us$ 4.5 billion with India. This is pre – pandemic, so no pandemic anomaly can be claimed. Singapore exported to India us$ 14.1 billion to India, while imported from India us$ 9.53 billion.

    If we cancel the FTA with India, there will be tariffs and we will become uncompetitive. Our us$ 14 billion will be in jeopardy which will impact lot of companies and jobs in Singapore. India can always source from elsewhere, remember it has FTA with Malaysia (also called CECA), Thailand amongst many others. Also the power of FTAs is when there is a networking effect. If Malaysia, Thailand etc have FTAs with all the countries that Singapore has, plus with India, they become in an advantageous position. Companies will move from Singapore to Malaysia, Thailand and we will suffer even more. new companies, when deciding between Malaysia and Singapore, will choose Malaysia.

    As for investment returns, which cannot be the basis of trade agreements, since it depends so much on timing, analytical skills, making the right bets, patience to ride out the long term growth of a country etc, and in either case a FTA does not compel you to invest, since you had highlighted Mayasori San’s Softbank, let me highlight what they recently said. They have invested us$ 2 billion in India this year so far, and will invest another us$ 2 billion this year (2021). For China, they are pausing for 2 years till it is clear what the Chinese government wants to do with capital markets and free enterprise, given the ridiculous decisions they made this year against tech companies, influential people and tuition centres and saying there will be more crackdowns, all leading to massive turmoil in the stock markets in China. Also, lack of transparency, elite control and poor short term decisions to mask issues are coming to the forefront now eg in the form of Evergrande

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  • Ab is Back Again:

    To Realistic :
    I have already debunked you on your constant crowing of praise for Taiwan covid management.

    Taiwan already went through the apocalypse, nothing to crow about. 800+ deaths in 3 months from mid may to mid Aug, 700+ of them in Taipei / new Taipei which has population of 4 million, less than Singapore.

    Spore now seems to be going through the same phase which Taiwan already went through. And Taiwan has lot of rural hinterland with low population density and should actually not be impacted so much.

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  • yes sir to their masters:

    //wah lao eh…how many donkey years NS still cannot develop chee.//

    hahahaha. NS trains (aka conditions) you at a ripe age @ 18 or so to be kuai kuai obedient (look up to authority especially jenerals lar) and develop false chee (during peacetime lar) – the chee perhaps you are referring is more on the physique & fitness only lar ??

    old days, your sargent may have his back facing a whole platoon and shout at them to pick a leave from some bushes and then tell you with his back still facing you that you have picked the wrong leave and do it again ?? this is how they used to train chee ???

    perhaps the reason why we are staffed with many “mancho” generals (generally oops the pun will yes sir to their masters) , so that even when rank-and-file-turned-adults will still carry with them such deference to & awe of these jenerals lar ??

    other countries have military also lar, but their political environment (after NS in our case) does not reinforce the castration of chee lar ??

    //Now all eat full full, can only fight for feminist, lgbt and animal rights. Proof this generation sinkies, no hope.//

    nothing really “”"”criminally wrong”"” on activist activities ??? these are safe activities lar ?? do not forget hor in the name of security, NO ONE MAN PROTEST lar (even with a cardboard with some words written on it) ??? that is how safe sinkie land needs to be lar for chee to be developed lar ???

    by the way, you think those white idiots and gang do not want their own kids to eat full, full and have it easy meh ???

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  • Homeless Cat:

    Taiwan can do better in handling the pandemic if Mainland bloody China did not play its cursed games. Don’t try to sell a narrative that is half-baked, loser.

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: Are you sure that Taiwan did better than us in managing C19 ?

    Where did you get the information ?

    Did you got brainwashed by the ev1l Democratic propaganda ?

    You should read more widely … please read the real facts here.

    1. Taipei has been struggling to secure enough vaccines for its population
    https://www.voanews.com/a/covid-19-pandemic_tech-giants-donate-covid-vaccines-taiwan-china-workaround/6208146.html

    2. Democratic vaccination were treated like d0g
    百米衝刺搶殘劑 民眾怒批「像狗一樣」
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElqfrOgiXDE

    PAP supporters please print/distribute/share my post.
    In Dollar$ We Tru$t. Prai$e the Dollar$. Glory be with the Dollar$

    GE2024.PAP.Guarantee.Win.Again
    Majullah $PAP$ $PAP$ Huat$ Huat$ Huat$
    Singaporeans must be Cheaperer, Betterer, Fasterer

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  • Realistically:

    It is a fair question as to the source of COVID-19 infection/deaths statistics:

    Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/taiwan/;
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/singapore/

    The worldometer figures for SINKaPOOR are the SAME as issued by SINKaPOOR’s MOH.

    SINKaPOOR COVID-19 new cases and deaths for 5/10/21 set a new record of 3486 with 9 deaths.

    And just to remind readers: the wayang-party MP & LO, Pritam Singh is more interested in the combined Mayors’ pay amounting to ONLY 0.003% of the 2020 Budget, while He Ting Ru is more conerned about “GENDER EQUALITY” (or more about INEQUALTIY) than the preventable sufferings and deaths and the severe negative impact on the economy………….since the wayang-party MPs and those from the emperor without clothes regime MPs can continue to luxuriate on their $16k monthly MP allowance, and for the latter, on their official positions as PM, Ministers etc and their “private” sector employment pay.

    Readers can decide for themselves how they view my comments.

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  • Realistically:

    Just realise that there are 2 minor mistakes in my unpublished letter to the 160th ranked ST:

    Instead of Ong Keng Yam, it should have been Ong Keng YONG.

    The FICA Bill now legislated as FICA is 249 pages long, not 253 as I’d earlier stated.

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  • Raeeeesh boh chee:

    yes sir to their masters:
    //wah lao eh…how many donkey years NS still cannot develop chee.//

    hahahaha. NS trains (aka conditions) you at a ripe age @ 18 or so to be kuai kuai obedient (look up to authority especially jenerals lar) and develop false chee (during peacetime lar) – the chee perhaps you are referring is more on the physique & fitness only lar ??

    old days, your sargent may have his back facing a whole platoon and shout at them to pick a leave from some bushes and then tell you with his back still facing you that you have picked the wrong leave and do it again ?? this is how they used to train chee ???

    perhaps the reason why we are staffed with many “mancho” generals (generally oops the pun will yes sir to their masters) , so that even when rank-and-file-turned-adults will still carry with them such deference to & awe of these jenerals lar ??

    other countries have military also lar, but their political environment (after NS in our case) does not reinforce the castration of chee lar ??

    //Now all eat full full, can only fight for feminist, lgbt and animal rights. Proof this generation sinkies, no hope.//

    nothing really “”””criminally wrong””” on activist activities ??? these are safe activities lar ?? do not forget hor in the name of security, NO ONE MAN PROTEST lar (even with a cardboard with some words written on it) ??? that is how safe sinkie land needs to be lar for chee to be developed lar ???

    by the way, you think those white idiots and gang do not want their own kids to eat full, full and have it easy meh ???

    Ho chio, lan kon te li kon tuay (good to laugh, ppl tok heaven you tok earth) LOL.

    Deference to those jenerals? Ask them to turn their backs lor to baby boomers, see wat happen? Only strawberry gen. stood in awe of them.
    oh forgot. BB can only see 6 lampah chees, hanging on a lanjiao human’s shoulders.

    BTW, peasants are not supposed to eat full full and fight for feminist, lgbt and animals rights. Only elites staying in Bukit Timah and Holland are entitled to it! That’s why now hawker, you got to book in like refugees and clear trays. hahaha….

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  • lucky vocation:

    //Deference to those jenerals? Ask them to turn their backs lor to baby boomers, see wat happen? Only strawberry gen. stood in awe of them.
    oh forgot. BB can only see 6 lampah chees, hanging on a lanjiao human’s shoulders.//

    aiyoh. strawberry gen smarter lar more educated breed ?? macho for what when lunches can still be stolen by FTs not subject to macho ns training ????

    you baby boomer or not ?? baby boomers mean (my definition lar) born about 1950 to perhaps 1975 lar ?? if you are a baby boomer, you did not experience this meh (maybe lucky vocation ???) ??

    //peasants are not supposed to eat full full and fight for feminist, lgbt and animals rights.//

    says who lar ?? if the peasants are feminist, lgbt and loving animals themselves lar ?? everyone has their pet interest and passion lar ?? you fight your battle (for your own passion ??), let them fight theirs lar ???

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  • Raeeeesh boh chee:

    lucky vocation:
    //Deference to those jenerals? Ask them to turn their backs lor to baby boomers, see wat happen? Only strawberry gen. stood in awe of them.
    oh forgot. BB can only see 6 lampah chees, hanging on a lanjiao human’s shoulders.//

    aiyoh. strawberry gen smarter lar more educated breed ?? macho for what when lunches can still be stolen by FTs not subject to macho ns training ????

    you baby boomer or not ?? baby boomers mean (my definition lar) born about 1950 to perhaps 1975 lar ?? if you are a baby boomer, you did not experience this meh (maybe lucky vocation ???) ??

    //peasants are not supposed to eat full full and fight for feminist, lgbt and animals rights.//

    says who lar ?? if the peasants are feminist, lgbt and loving animals themselves lar ?? everyone has their pet interest and passion lar ?? you fight your battle (for your own passion ??), let them fight theirs lar ???

    aiyoyo, kon buay beng (still cannot get msg. thru)

    BB don’t need be educated breed,lar Just macho by really working hard. Strawberry gen. educated for what?? Stay home play virtual games and mining bitcoins and ordered food delivery. See how long they can stay that way. Continue with the dreaming, lor. Now with internet/work from home, the 3rd world (cheaperer and betterer) can still steal their lunches anywhere around the globe. Another few years they can stay home and wait to eat ‘sai’ (turds) delivered to them by paying with their minted bitcoins. hahaha…..

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Ab is Back Again:
    to Spore Are Free Riders,
    I have nothing against Malaysians or any one else. I understand your sentiment on relatives etc. But the issue is about massive congestion in Spore (and increasing price of HDB which are also becoming smaller to accommodate more and more citizens, COE will become like $150k in a few years if more citizens and no increase in Coe quota, and overcrowding in mrt / schools / medical facilities etc), good jobs being taken away and also some are concerned on voting patterns of new citizens. I have shown all the numbers how this is contributed mostly by Malaysians followed by PRC. How can we give blank cheque to Malaysians to come into Singapore? there are 32 million Malaysians of which Chinese are 10 million. we will be swamped and suffer a living hell in tiny island of ours.

    Think it this way… if we could follow the EU and dismantle border control, bingo, you will have vast living space….

    Just ask the many many Tiko old Singaporeans with young wife in Malaysia, Batam, Phukai how they do it.

    Perhaps it is time you get yourselves a foreign wife…ask TRE Techie how he do it.

    Tech: China too far, Batam nearer. Its all about “love”. lol

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  • Realistically:

    @ Homeless Cat:
    October 6, 2021 at 11:00 am (Quote)

    >.Taiwan can do better in handling the pandemic if Mainland bloody China did not play its cursed games. Don’t try to sell a narrative that is half-baked, loser.<<

    PRC's harassment & pressure on Taiwan, from what I know, hv taken place over the last few months………

    Taiwan has been taking preventive measures from around end December 2019………..long b4 the emperor without clothes regime and his MMTF became more serious about the COVID-19 pandemic declared by the WHO around end March 2020…………..as the emperor without clothes wanted to hold the GE in order to catch the so-called oppos unprepared.

    For almost a year b4 the 2nd half of April, I believe Taiwan was free for any COVID-19 infection even without any lockdown/circuit breaker while SINKaPOOR had to impose the circuit breaker and other restrictive measure & also had to spend over $100 billion in the 2020 Budget ……..which, from what I could gather by googling, was more than 4 TIMES what Taiwan spent on the pandemic………….Taiwan has been also been subject to the military need to counter the PRC's threat…….so basically Taiwan was in a worse situation viz a viz SINKaPOOR, which I believe also extend to its spending on health care being much lower than SINKaPOOR – from what I could find, Taiwan relied on the pte sector to meet its citizen's health care need.

    It is only when Taiwan led its guard down – requiring its China Airline pilots only 3 days of self-quarantine instead of 14 days – that these pilots who had been infected with the C-19 virus spread to others when they visited the "tea-houses" and which led to an escalation of infection and deaths since May to August……….for the month of September onward the number infected and deaths became much much lower than in SINKaPOOR, as the info on the worldometer sites which I hv provided the links show.

    The low life liar posting as 'Ab is Back Again' is believe to be Jamus Lim, the wayang-party MP……..

    Readers should remember that the FICA Bill was first read on 13 September 2021 ……….but the wayang-party MPs said NOTHING nor spoke out against FICA……………but only do their wayang on Monday during the second reading of the FICA Bill and subsequent vote………I repeat, it is all WAYANG.

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  • Realistically:

    To: ‘Ab is Back Again’

    If you are Jamus Lim behind the above moniker, you hv an OBLIGATION to reveal and post in your own name since you are being paid $16k monthly MP allowance.

    Tech: WP is a very high class oppos, they will never mingle with the cowboys on TRE. WP hates TRE because of Yaw, so you barking up the wrong tree liao.

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  • not-strawberry vocation:

    //See how long they can stay that way. Continue with the dreaming, lor. Now with internet/work from home, the 3rd world (cheaperer and betterer) can still steal their lunches anywhere around the globe.//

    what beng or huay beng ?? if can steal around the world, still need 6.9m or 10m open beng policy ?? maybe need 6.9m or 10m for rent-seeking (real estate) and make competition hotter lar ?? we may as well start to limit ourselves to 3m people (with plenty of green space and less congestion) and do internet / work (as though all work is only internet only ??) ???

    //BB don’t need be educated breed,lar Just macho by really working hard. Strawberry gen. educated for what??//

    can’t even defend / protect jobs in your own country, tok about macho and strawberry ??

    // Now with internet/work from home, the 3rd world (cheaperer and betterer) can still steal their lunches anywhere around the globe.//

    yar lor. like that, why those talented people already in sinkie land do not want to stay in their own countries and do it (is it cannot get the same kind of pay in their own countries but can undercut daft sinkies in a high cost country as in wage arbitrage and then build skills somemore ???) ????

    hey you baby boomer ?? what tough not-strawberry vocation you in lar ???

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  • Raeeeesh boh chee:

    not-strawberry vocation: what beng or huay beng ?? if can steal around the world, still need 6.9m or 10m open beng policy ?? maybe need 6.9m or 10m for rent-seeking (real estate) and make competition hotter lar ?? we may as well start to limit ourselves to 3m people (with plenty of green space and less congestion) and do internet / work (as though all work is only internet only ??) ???

    sibei ho chio (hilarious) kaki kon kaki taub…you answer your own question. Who is going to build your BTO? now wait 5 years. Wait throw strawberries @ u. You are right, the extra come here for the ‘hu lui lang’ (rich) like maids, chauffeurs, gardeners, service staff in elite establishments to serve the elites. You think strawberries wanna to do it???

    not-strawberry vocation: can’t even defend / protect jobs in your own country, tok about macho and strawberry ??

    precisely to drive out the useless strawberries to 3rd world countries and let the rest of 3 million enjoy their lifestyles, lor

    not-strawberry vocation: yar lor. like that, why those talented people already in sinkie land do not want to stay in their own countries and do it (is it cannot get the same kind of pay in their own countries but can undercut daft sinkies in a high cost country as in wage arbitrage and then build skills somemore ???) ????

    hey you baby boomer ?? what tough not-strawberry vocation you in lar ???

    don’t make me laugh again, wat BB or strawberry??? Any difference in this Sinkie land? tio boh???? unless you got $$$$$$$$$$$$$ lol

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  • Raeeeesh boh chee:

    not-strawberry vocation: what beng or huay beng ?? if can steal around the world, still need 6.9m or 10m open beng policy ?? maybe need 6.9m or 10m for rent-seeking (real estate) and make competition hotter lar ?? we may as well start to limit ourselves to 3m people (with plenty of green space and less congestion) and do internet / work (as though all work is only internet only ??) ???

    sibei ho chio (hilarious) kaki kon kaki taub…you answer your own question. Who is going to build your BTO? now wait 5 years. Wait throw strawberries @ u. You are right, the extra come here for the ‘hu lui lang’ (rich) like maids, chauffeurs, gardeners, service staff in elite establishments to serve the elites. You think strawberries wanna to do it???

    not-strawberry vocation: can’t even defend / protect jobs in your own country, tok about macho and strawberry ??

    precisely to drive out the useless strawberries to 3rd world countries and let the rest of 3 million enjoy their lifestyles lor

    not-strawberry vocation: yar lor. like that, why those talented people already in sinkie land do not want to stay in their own countries and do it (is it cannot get the same kind of pay in their own countries but can undercut daft sinkies in a high cost country as in wage arbitrage and then build skills somemore ???) ????

    hey you baby boomer ?? what tough not-strawberry vocation you in lar ???

    don’t make me laugh again, wat BB or strawberry??? Any difference in this Sinkie land? tio boh???? unless you got lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$ see lah, I keep laughing and post the column wrongly, lol

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  • anymore to laugh:

    //Who is going to build your BTO? now wait 5 years.//

    aiyoh. so many BTOs for what ?? for 6.9m or 10m open-leg policy ? or to squeeze out daft sinkies ???

    //precisely to drive out the useless strawberries to 3rd world countries and let the rest of 3 million enjoy their lifestyles, lor//

    try harder lar ? you try driving strawberries away lor ? you can or not ??

    //don’t make me laugh again, wat BB or strawberry??? Any difference in this Sinkie land? tio boh???? unless you got $$$$$$$$$$$$$ lol//

    hey boomer ?? which vocation leh or no vocation at all (or one of the naturalized sinkies ? all you ownself said one hor BB & strawberry, boomer hor ?? anymore to laugh ???

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  • Raeeeesh boh chee:

    anymore to laugh: aiyoh. so many BTOs for what ?? for 6.9m or 10m open-leg policy ? or to squeeze out daft sinkies ???

    squeeze out daft sinkies, lor. kua bin teng (see above) kon buay beng (still blur when I oredi told u :)

    anymore to laugh: try harder lar ? you try driving strawberries away lor ? you can or not ??

    hahaha… buay siew kon buay siew mai kon lampar tan (cannot swim say cannot swim don’t blame on lampar chi too heavy. Typical strawberry mentality. blame me? wrong person lah. lol

    anymore to laugh: hey boomer ?? which vocation leh or no vocation at all (or one of the naturalized sinkies ? all you ownself said one hor BB & strawberry, boomer hor ?? anymore to laugh ???

    hey ah boy/girl?? I stay rented 1 rm . collect cardboards. Can help me find job anot? must be easy life under aircon. like yours?? hahaha….bring it on! let’s hav more laughs.

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  • a skill upgrade:

    //hey ah boy/girl?? I stay rented 1 rm . collect cardboards. Can help me find job anot? must be easy life under aircon. like yours?? hahaha….bring it on! let’s hav more laughs.//

    1rm ? ask the white idiots for help lor since you not strawberry (you sound tough right ??) as the white idiots said got labour crunch ??
    try to get employed in the construction industry (better than collect cardboard ??) and it is also a skill upgrade for you to help build BTO faster right ?? white idiots got a lot of help and some job platform leh, you think it will help or not, why still stuck in collecting cardboards ??

    which vocation leh ?? let me guess ?? you not boomer sinkie lar ?? want to tok about strawberry ?? what kon buay beng, trying to throw smoke huh ?? buay beng kon ka beng lar ??

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  • Realistically:

    So Jamus Lim, what say you to the 160th ranked Straits Times report that life is more than normal than in COVID-19 stricken SINKaPOOR with more than 3k new infections and numerous DEATHS, as compared to HK?

    Readers can read the said report and decide for yourselves if you still wish to succumb to the wayang-party snake oil con and their role as “CO-DRIVERS” of the emperor without clothes regime:

    https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/mixed-factors-behind-low-covid-19-cases-in-hong-kong
    Mix of factors behind low number of Covid-19 cases in Hong Kong
    Claire Huang
    Hong Kong Correspondent
    OCT 7, 2021, 4:58 PM SGT
    HONG KONG – For months now on Friday nights, Hong Kong’s Lan Kwai Fong district looks just like how it was pre-pandemic: … while chatter fills restaurants that can now sit up to 12 customers a table.
    …..
    Students attend lessons in schools, the office crowd goes about its daily routine, trains and buses are crowded, and hospitals cope with patient load.
    By late February, social distancing rules had eased and life slowly went back on track.

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  • Realistically:

    Alamak, Jamus Lim has now AWOL….on TRE…….

    What about his fellow wayang-party MPs/MP – wanna-be’s/IB etc………….no speak especially when SINKaPOOR’s new infection cases exceed 3k – by a big margin at that – and the no. of deaths since September 2021 exceeding around 80(?)…………and that there is another circuit breaker of some sort in place causing much disruption to live and the economy, which could have been much reduced but for the incompetence of the emperor without clothes and his MMTF.

    Well I suppose, the wayang-party MPs are having it so good with their obscene monthly MP allowance of $16k and can luxuriate on the $, just by performing some wayang, while sinkies suffer miseries, PREVENTABLE DEATHS, and other hardships and the adverse negative impact on the economy…….I suppose the wayang-party MPs subscribe to the PAPie’s YOU DIE YOUR BUSINESS ethos.

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  • Raeeeesh boh chee:

    a skill upgrade: 1rm ? ask the white idiots for help lor since you not strawberry (you sound tough right ??) as the white idiots said got labour crunch ??
    try to get employed in the construction industry (better than collect cardboard ??) and it is also a skill upgrade for you to help build BTO faster right ?? white idiots got a lot of help and some job platform leh, you think it will help or not, why still stuck in collecting cardboards ??

    Ah boy/girl. I not like strawberries hor, stay home and mint bitcoins. White idiots say I overqualified becos salary below 500k like yours considered mediocre. I don’t fall into your category. sorri…hor. you smart strawberry go figure out my salary :) They even suan ppl like me work to exercise. hahaha…bopian

    a skill upgrade: which vocation leh ?? let me guess ?? you not boomer sinkie lar ?? want to tok about strawberry ?? what kon buay beng, trying to throw smoke huh ?? buay beng kon ka beng lar ??

    ngeh, ngeh want to know my vocation. oredi told u. mai luan luan siew kar chuay (don’t fantasize too much). Maybe when the smoke clears you par sar lin (tumble 3 times) to know my vacation. hahaha….

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  • Ab is Back Again:

    HK and Spore are very different places. HK is just a small city of China. The internal large economy of China can sustain HK if the HK people are ready to be obedient subjects of CCP. But because they haven’t yet surrendered completely, HK is trapped both ways. China gives them crumps to sustain them but keep them on their toes and force them to close borders. The elites in banking, tech etc are happy as it doesn’t impact them much but the peasants suffer as HK, like Spore, is heavily dependent on international tourists and business visitors. those workers in hotel, travel, retail, f&b are suffering badly but what can they do against the elite dictators?

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  • Observer:

    Singapore should focus on its unique selling point, rather than trying to compete on every aspect.

    In other first world countries, employing a maid would be expensive. In Australia, a maid has to be paid A$24/hr. If she sleeps over at workplace, she earns overtime pay.

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  • Raeeeesh boh chee:

    China may want to have a relatively politically stable Hong Kong with its strong financial services, that serve to boost China’s transition to a service-oriented economy.

    But note that after 2047, the PRC has no obligation to maintain a separate set of laws/norms for HK – to the extent it does, it will be only if it perceives doing so to be in China’s national interest.

    China may briefly loosen its “chokehold”, occasionally, on various aspects of HK life – both before and after 2047 – but bit by bit, over the ensuing centuries, HK will become close to just another Chinese city, and a pretty small one at that.

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  • Realistically:

    As I’ve said, Jamus Lim, being paid $16k monthly MP allowance from public funds, has an OBLIGATION to disclose his true identity.

    Regarding HK & SINKaPOOR’s relative achievements/failures/deficiencies as to how each manage or mismanage the COVID-19 pandemic, HK, under PRC’s influence has better reacted to the danger of the Sars-CoV-2 virus and had taken precautions early…….unlike SINKaPOOR’s incompetent and arrogant emperor without clothes AND the failure of the wayang-party MPs to provide the “checks and balance” and the wayang-party’s GE 2020 pledge NOT to give the emperor without clothes “BLANK CHEQUES” ….both fundamental duties and responsibilities were reneged for self-serving interests while most sinkies had to suffer miseries unnecessarily, and PREVENTABLE DEATHS…………..ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with how the economies of each country.

    The latest news reports that the emperor without clothes regime would no longer provide FREE testings and how the rich wanted to be taxed only reveal what I have FOREWARNED many times YEARS ago about the humongous losses suffered by Temasek Holdings under the totally unqualified, maverick and arrogant wife of the emperor without clothes and also by GIC under the incompetent emperor without clothes.

    I repeat, the SINKaPOOR predicament in the epic failures by the emperor without clothes regimes, helped being legitimised by the wayang-party who is also complicit and accountable as “CO-DRIVERS” has nothing, at the CORE, to do with the basics of the economy……………..PITY that Jamus Lim, as an economist and lecturer with the ranking of an Asooc Professor, totally fails to understand the “economics” behind the epic failures by the emperor without clothes ………the latest measures the emperor without clothes announcement to treat the Sars-CoV-2 virus like that of the influenza, even against the expert opinions of SINKaPOOR’s experts: Prof Leo Yee Sin of the NICD and others show without doubt about the CALLOUSNESS of the emperor without clothes validating the widely held view of the PAPie’s ethos: YOU DIE, YOUR OWN BUSINESS……….which is obviously being shared by the wayang-party’s own ethos of YOU DIE YOUR OWN BUSINESS.

    Tech: You mean you don’t know who Jamus Lim is? Are you drunk?

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  • when minting bitcoins:

    //stay home and mint bitcoins.//

    aiyoh ?? mint bitcoins ?? roti prata too much lar ?? now no longer collect cardboards hor ?? still need help to find job when minting bitcoins (so stylo milo hor ) ??

    //ngeh, ngeh want to know my vocation. oredi told u. mai luan luan siew kar chuay//

    luan luan your si-lan-tao lar ?? buay sai don’t try to smoke lar ??? boomer somemore ???

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  • Ab is Back Again:

    Some so-called opposition supporters here have no idea about the psyche of Singaporeans towards politics, towards opposition and the uphill task of building a sustainable opposition party in Singapore.

    Singaporeans, either because they are more concerned about their daily lives, or brainwashed over many decades, or seeing wrongly highlighted news about politics in other countries or a combination of all 3, are not predisposed to politics based on confrontation and conflict. Hence, they are not inclined to opposition parties. To build, grow and sustain an opposition party, one has to be seen to be responsible, serious, work together with the ruling party and not someone who wants to topple the whole apple cart or throw the baby out with the bath water. You can compare the fates of JBJ, Chee Soon Juan (still not voted in after so many elections), Lim Tean vs Chiam See Tong.I think Low Thia Kiang smartly observed this, and proceeded to build the most successful opposition party in Singapore. Today, Workers Party has not only sustained but is growing. I believe they have much scope for further growth, of winning more seats, to become a major opposition party after a few elections (maybe winning 30 seats), and then to build a shadow govt and finally possibly becoming the ruling party. Mind you, in Spore’s context, this will still take 20 to 30 years, and only if WP are careful on the way, demonstrating to Singaporeans that they are responsible, cooperative, sensible, trustable and not banking on political opportunism. Spore has seen many people and parties fall by the wayside when they try to take shortcuts. Currently, PSP is also falling into the same trap. The journey will be long and require lot of hard work, perseverence and careful choices, but it will be worth it if your vision is for Singapore to have true democracy with 2 or 3 parties capable to be the govt but without causing major upheaval to the peace and prosperity of Singapore. I observe that WP MPs have been quite reasonable in Parliament thus undearing themselves to Singaporeans and earning their trust. Pritam Singh has shown great political astuteness, tough where needed, supportive where it is correct, very sensible, not just opposition for the sake of opposition, very very capable, and many Singaporeans feel he is the best person to be the PM (though due to the time journey, it may be unlikely or possibly late in his life in his 60s)

    Those so-called opposition supporters here who want WP and other opposition parties to shout, fight, confront, conflict, protest, riot are doing a disservice to the opposition. They are bad mouthing the opposition in the opposition forums! Wonder if they are simply UNREALISTIC or on the payrolls of some party?

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  • Ab is Back Again:

    I also observed that some unrealistic opposition supporters here who are highly critical of the “draconian” rule of PAP are full of praises for the CCP! are they schizophrenic or on the payroll of the CCP! They also advocate to have trade and other strong relationships only with China, and to cut all ties with India, marginalising the Indian community here, almost hoping Spore can be 95 % Chinese. FICA is absolutely needed.

    Tech: Just because we think some of PRC’s policies are better than Sinkieland, we are all on the PRC’s payroll? What car do you drive? Since Sinkieland does not produce cars, you must be on the payroll of Japan (assuming you drive a Nissan or Mazda), by extention of the same logic?

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  • Raeeeesh boh chee:

    I’ve always been amazed at how easily the anti-social authoritarian uses collective reasoning and confirmation bias to gain control over the herd. After winning the intra-herd struggles they continue to create inter-herd to inter-continental conflicts. Many die in these battles. Perhaps that might be a viable and practical solution to get rid of some “useful idiots”? The best definition of an idiot that I can recall is “an individual who, when you point to the moon, he looks at your finger.”
    The irony, of course, is that the government is supposed to be us. This whole development, which appears mostly to serve the interests of money in order and obedience, is like a snake eating its own tail.

    Remembering Ferlinghetti with something to say:

    Pity the nation whose people are sheep
    And whose shepherds mislead them
    Pity the nation whose leaders are liars
    Whose sages are silenced
    And whose bigots haunt the airwaves
    Pity the nation that raises not its voice
    Except to praise conquerors
    And acclaim the bully as hero
    And aims to rule the world
    By force and by torture
    Pity the nation that knows
    No other language but its own
    And no other culture but its own
    Pity the nation whose breath is money
    And sleeps the sleep of the too well fed
    Pity the nation oh pity the people
    who allow their rights to erode
    and their freedoms to be washed away
    My country, tears of thee!

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  • Raeeeesh boh chee:

    Ab is Back Again: I also observed that some unrealistic opposition supporters here who are highly critical of the “draconian” rule of PAP are full of praises for the CCP! are they schizophrenic or on the payroll of the CCP! They also advocate to have trade and other strong relationships only with China, and to cut all ties with India, marginalising the Indian community here, almost hoping Spore can be 95 % Chinese. FICA is absolutely needed.

    It is the mark of an intelligent person that he learns to recognize his own prejudice and works to overcome them. We really do need to abandon the entire concept of race as a means of classification. It’s essentially an insidious social construct with no redeeming value since it focuses only on superficial differences that are irrelevant to our being human.

    Instead of playing these mind games, we need to recognize that there are elements of all cultures that are dysfunctional, and we need to recognize that the way the economy of this country has developed over the past decade has put people living in our working class at a real disadvantage when it comes to finding decent jobs, affordable housing, and quality living. Solutions to the problems of inequality in our country (no matter the color or ethnicity of the impoverished) are not going to be found Is the discrimination solely racially based? Or is it more based on socio-economic status in society?

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  • Realistically:

    Jamus Lim, just to return to your facile understanding that HK’s COVID-19 pandemic policies success have been the result of the PRC’s backing………you might like to do some research as to HK’s role in ending the Asian Financial Crisis…………when PRC’s forex reserve was very low…….and that a big % of the PRC citizens were below poverty level…………..to know that HK’s CURRENT management of the COVID-19 pandemic is totally superior to that of SINKaPOOR’s under the emperor without clothes……….Sama Taiwan’s which is facing daily military threats from PRC.

    Just to remind the wayang-party MPs like Jamus Lim that thousands of sinkies suffer from being infected with the Sars-VoV-2 virus and (PREVENTABLE) DEATHS because the wayang-party MPs self-serving interest to protect their ill-gotten but legal $16K monthly MP allowance from public fund while sinkies, not only those who have been infected and DEATHS caused by the COVID-19 causing virus, but miseries in living; loss of livelihood, and the huge adverse impact to the economy…………while giving excuses like being outvoted when the ISSUE is about DEBATE…………b4 a vote on new legislation………..ordinarily, like the new “endemic” mismanagement of the COVID-19 measures, which again affect sinkies UNNECESSARILY and also the adverse impact on the economy, there is no VOTING…….just DEBATE which the wayang-party MPs have failed in their FUNDAMENTAL DUTIES and RESPONSIBILITIES as genuine oppos.

    Back to the poor excuse of being outvoted for eg over the FICA Blll……..why bother to hold Parliament for 11 hours, when it could be over once Minister Shanmugam closed the 2nd reading?

    In a way, the wayang-party MPs have BLOOD on their hands in the PREVENTABLE DEATHS OF almost all the 170 persons (and counting) thus far.

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  • how preventable:

    //Back to the poor excuse of being outvoted for eg over the FICA Blll……..why bother to hold Parliament for 11 hours, when it could be over once Minister Shanmugam closed the 2nd reading?//

    yar lor. voted (or outvoted ??) also got problem ?? wait you say “”protect their ill-gotten but legal $16K monthly MP allowance”"” ??

    //the wayang-party MPs have BLOOD on their hands in the PREVENTABLE DEATHS OF almost all the 170 persons (and counting) thus far.//

    preventable by wayang-party ?? how preventable leh ?? you mean all the healthcare institutions & white monkey gang supporters will listen to wayang-party and start implement their wishes meh ???

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