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Explaination – big spike in infections and deaths

The ministerial task force started to relax the restrictions after the vaccination rate for the adult population passed the 80% thresholds. They described the new strategy as “living with covid”.

I agreed with the strategy.

During the initial few days, the infections increased sharply to several hundreds a day.

After studying the data, I said that this was due to our mass testing approach, using the contact tracing data (i.e. safe entry and trace together). They will catching many cases, which were mild.

I compared our rate of testing per million of population and found that we were testing 10 times of the global average. See report.

I suggested that we should stop the contact tracing using the safe entry data (which is unreliable).

Several disease experts also argued that the mass testing should be stopped, as it brings out many mild cases and cause alarm.

According to my reasoning, the mild cases will go away and will not lead to a sharp increase in severe cases and deaths.

In the subsequent days, the severe cases and deaths spike up sharply.

The new data caused me to reexamine my approach.

Does the data show that the mass testing was necessary to identify the virus and isolate the infected people to slow down the spread? If the mass testing was stopped, would there be a sharp increase in severe cases and deaths, compared to what is happening now?

I thought over this matter for a few days.

I looked at the experience in India and Indonesia. Their infections and deaths have come down by over 90% compared to a peak a few months earlier. Their vaccination rate remained below 50%, compared to over 80% for Singapore.

What is the possible reason for the spike in cases in Singapore and the sharp drop in India and Indonesia?

I have a hypothesis that needs to be verified.

My hypothesis is that the virus has already reached a large port of the population in India and Indonesia leading to a large number of deaths among the vulnerable population. Those who survived have developed natural immunity.

It appears to me that a small part of the population will be vulnerable to the virus, but the majority of the people will have immunity against it, either through the vaccine or their natural immunity.

It also seem to me that the testing and isolation of the mild cases will not achieve much in stopping the spread of the virus. It is probably quite widespread already.

It should be quite safe to stop the mass testing of the asymptomatic cases and only deal with the cases where the virus has developed into a more severe stage and the infected person becomes unwell.

We can focus our attention on treating the sick people.

We should not divert the resources towards testing the asymptomatic cases and isolated them.

Our trajectory seemed to follow Israel. They achieved a high rate of vaccination and relaxed their restrictions. This was followed by a large increase in new infections and deaths.

Isreal has now gone over the wave. Their infections and deaths have come down.

I expect Singapore to follow the pattern of Israel in a few more weeks time.

In the meantime, I hope that the ministerial task force will reduce the mass testing of asymptomatic cases. It will stop the panic among the people at large.

 

Tan Kin Lian

 

 

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39 Responses to “Explaination – big spike in infections and deaths”

  • Touch wood, but I am so very curious to read an article by Mr Tan AFTER he survives an infection. lol

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  • xoxo:

    His former boss must be pleased to see one of his ex-puppy coming out to offer all sorts of excuses for the govt.

    Ah Lian also from RI,must be a lousy school.

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  • oxygen:

    AS USUAL, full of vacuous windy happy contradictions.

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  • Naive Tan:

    You mean mild cases won’t spread to others. He has PAP’ stupidity.

    Tech: I think he has already been infected and the virus has not only affected hsi lungs, but also his brain. lol

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  • opposition dude:

    The newspaper report used to state that x cases were detected through survelliance testing, whatever that means. I guess it’s the PCR test. Now the government wants certain sectors to test all their workers twice a week and those who are unvaccinated have to pay for the tests out of their own pocket.

    They mentioned that their observation of cases revealed that infections occur at F&B outlets so this is why the unvaccinated will no longer be allowed to dine in. Fine. I wonder what they will say should the cases not drop 2 weeks after this? Are they going to say that their safe distancing ambassadors caught loads of unvaccianted dining in at the makan places? They DO need to blame someone every single time don’t they?

    And if they miraculously do not blame the unvaccianted then this also means that they won’t admit that the vaccianted are the ones spreading the virus in the makan places as well since to PAP the vaccianted are the “safe” ones.

    Wait and see.

    Tech: You made a very good point. Since unvaxxed are not allowed to dine in, then if the cases persists after 2 weeks, they have no more reason to blame the unvaxxed anymore, so it may be a blessing in disguise for those unvaxxed. And since we all known that the vaxxed carries a higher viral load than the unvaxxed, it is also safer for the unvaxxed to just stay at home.

    But knowing the never-say-sorry party, I am sure by then they will concoct some other bull of a shit excuses to shift the blame to something else, maybe blame Sun, the stars, or the Moon for shining too bright? lol

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  • For once, I am going to be unbiased and be fair to the clowns at MTF.

    The fact is that Sinkieland simply DO NOT have the logistic capability to implement a full lockdown even if the jokers at MTF had wanted to.

    In order for a full lockdown to work, medical logistics aside, there MUST BE grassroot organization to coordinate and handle the common chores like food supplies and medicine delivery to those that are being locked down.

    In China, they have the 社区, which is supported by the authorities and volunteers and they did a fine job during the pandemic in China.

    In Sinkieland, it is common knowledge that those who are in the RCs, CCCs, CC are all there for the goodies like PBMs and priority schooling, where like in China where the heart is to serve? You think PBMs and those PA members will volunteer to deliver, coordinate food and medicine?

    As for those other organisations non-governement related, they are all viewed as dissenting organisations and enemy of the state, prosecuted by the authorities, so where to find people whose heart is in the right place? Just look at Gilbert Goh and Jolovan Wham for starters.

    So ask yourself, once lockdown, all will starve to death, no?

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  • Kudso:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/lithuanian-without-vaccine-pass-describes-life-under-medical-tyranny

    Covid cases in many countries are going down a lot. SG and Israel cases are going up, so it is obvious who has the wrong methods.

    Tech: Many medical experts have said that the mRNA vaccines actually cause infection because the vaxxed carries hundreds of time more viral load than the unvaxxed. Guess they weren’t wrong after all.

    At this rate, when the pandemic blows over, Isreal and Sinkieland may be the only 2 countries most badly injured.

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  • More deaths:

    More deaths will come!

    We are too greedy n deserve it!

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  • Ko:

    No need wait 99 years.

    Taking back as many as possible.

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  • 4G CMI, SG dies:

    To start with, TKL, can you first tell PM and all the other ministers to do away with the testing of their bodyguards and all those around them? Can PM and the ministers agree to this first or not? I believe anyone who has to go near to PM or any of the ministers will have to be tested first. If those millionaires are not kiasi and can do away with unnecessary testing for the people around them, then fine and fair, stop the mass testing.

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  • Fire:

    知道 什么是 真材实料 吗 。

    Hong Kong is reporting 5 new infections on average each day, 4% of the peak — the highest daily average reported on July 30.

    There have been 12,262 infections and 213 coronavirus-related deaths reported in the country since the pandemic began.

    Daily reported trends

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  • Harder Truths:

    Naive Tan:
    You mean mild cases won’t spread to others. He has PAP’ stupidity.

    Tech: I think he has already been infected and the virus has not only affected hsi lungs, but also his brain. lol

    Virus is afraid of TKL – no virus worth its ‘deadly’ classification wants to be infected with his stupidity.

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  • TKL's Doppleganger:

    Harder Truths: Virus is afraid of TKL – no virus worth its ‘deadly’ classification wants to be infected with his stupidity.

    Virus 1: There’s no vaccine for stupidity why scared of TKL?
    Virus 2: TKL may be dump but he isn’t stupid (:

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  • Delina Arumugam:

    Another great piece by Mr Lian s/o Tan.

    It is very enlightening and thought provoking.

    There are still people keep harping on the success of mainland China in keeping the virus in check. Obviously, it is achieved at a great social cost and is unsustainable unless the country will choose to isolate themselves from the rest of the world.

    At this time of the year, mainland China ( probably the island of Taiwan inclusive) is the only country in the world to adopt zero Covid policies. Those that adopt living with the virus approach are opening their international borders to embrace the world. Just wait and see what would mainland China does when the whole world is connected without them.

    The approach by Singapore in differentiation treatment for unvaccinated would appear to be the common understanding of the countries which adopt the more rational approach of living with the virus. In no time, people all over the world will find international travel is possible only with full vaccination. More and more such differentiation between vaccinated and unvaccinated will eventually be implemented across the globe, except mainland China if they insist on zero Covid policy.

    I applaud Mr Lian s/o Tan great intellectual property. Keep it up, Mr Lian s/o Tan, you are just fantastic!

    Tech: You are another misinformed joker, who says China is “closed”? It has already opened up and planes can fly into the country. In fact, their strategy of handling the imported cases has been overall very successful. Life is back to normal for the ENTIRE country and I am left with over 1000 masks unused. You want I donate to you. lol

    China just celebrated its anniversary with millions flying and traveling throughout the country, with ZERO fresh infection reported for the past 7 days, and millions will celebrate X’mas and New Year in 2 months time, no vaxxed status check or C19 tests or restrictions in dining. Unfortunately for Sinkies, it’s only a dream under the incompetant clowns at MTF and come X’mas, instead of turkey with your friends and family members, you will be cooking Maggie Mee and watching porn online. And this is your idea of a ‘normal life’?

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  • oxygen:

    @ Opposition dude

    THE UNVACCINATED ALREADY PAID via their tax on income for the cost of Covid-19 jabs of the fully vaccinated. Now they are forced to pay for their own surveillance test OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKET?

    The unvaccinated is forced to pay twice whilst the vaccinated got free ride of the jabs paid for by the unvaccinated.

    It is one-sided political oppression and abuse of DESPOTISM!!

    Might as well order the unvaccinated pay TWICE for the amount each time they shop in the crowded supermarket for their groceries purchase for alleged “risking” the spread of the virus to all other visiting customers at the relevant moment of time!!

    opposition dude: Now the government wants certain sectors to test all their workers twice a week and those who are unvaccinated have to pay for the tests out of their own pocket.

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  • approaches do not work well:

    //Several disease experts also argued that the mass testing should be stopped, as it brings out many mild cases and cause alarm.//

    hahaha. experts ?? when you start to see your past approaches do not work well, you start to change your approach (KPI ??) to make it easier on yourselves ??

    what is mild (qualitative measurement is subjective leh ????) and it is the mild (or not so mild mild ??) that is going to infect the vulnerable (as vaccine starts to deteriorate over time ???) ???

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  • opposition dude:

    Tech: You made a very good point. Since unvaxxed are not allowed to dine in, then if the cases persists after 2 weeks, they have no more reason to blame the unvaxxed anymore, so it may be a blessing in disguise for those unvaxxed. And since we all known that the vaxxed carries a higher viral load than the unvaxxed, it is also safer for the unvaxxed to just stay at home.

    But knowing the never-say-sorry party, I am sure by then they will concoct some other bull of a shit excuses to shift the blame to something else, maybe blame Sun, the stars, or the Moon for shining too bright? lol

    Techie bro, you aren’t wrong in your assumption too since you also know how they operate. I’m expecting them to say that the unvaccinated ones spread by doing exercises outdoors or even foolishly saying that they spread it on public transport. So typical of PAP hor, spend so much time going after the minority when they should spend more time getting the vulnerable seniors to vaccinate. Just like how they like to spend so much time going after kuching kurup activists instead of spending more time trying to win back their GRCs ha ha ha.

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  • Gear ratios:

    You implied that the correlation of vaccination rate corresponds to infections, therefore isn’t it practical to reduce the shots to change the gear ratios, so the hospital can take a breather?

    Anyway the chart now shows all cases are of the delta variant; the gene therapies available now do not hack the variant. Therefore, efficacy is a done deal and should not even be argued. Patients in ICU usually have pre-existing conditions. We do not not have transparent data to argue.

    As to agenda or rhetoric, that is global and social credit does exists.

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  • Reject Foreign Interference:

    The fact of the matter is, like every other country, our wave will also come down and deaths will come down to. In 2 months time, our deaths will be maybe 1 in 3 days. Do KPKB now and make hay while the sun shines as in 2 months time, you won’t have the opportunity! Also, it is funny that first trolls will say, follow China model. then if someone says, China will be the odd ball out in few months as all other countries would have opened up, they say China is already open! Travelers can go in freely! Then what is the “China model” that we should be following? ! Can the China covid fan Boys illustrate in detail what is the “China model” and what we need to follow?

    Tech: The supposed “China model” is there for the whole world to see and salivate at, don’t be lazy, go search for it. In fact, I would say that there is currently no China model for its residents, but it is prepared fully should the need arises. Besides, there are no local cases to use the supposed “China model” on, to begin with. lol

    Without a doubt, sooner or later the death figures will come down, but it is certainly not due to any efforts of the MTF because that’s how the law of nature and math works. Picture this, if there are 100,000 oldies but goodies on Sinkieland who will 100% die if bitten by the C19, then once all of them have been bitten and die off, there will be no more oldies and goodies to die. So naturally and by simple math and common sense, the death figures will do down, even to 0, dio bo?

    As for the infection figures, since one can get re-infected, it is too early to tell, especially when the vaxxed are proven to carry higher viral loads, thus more likely to spread the C19 to others.

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  • Reject Foreign Interference:

    BTW, China is going for 100% vaccination policy. That the China vaccines are totally ineffective against variants, is another matter (and why they are forced to go with zero covid strategy). So, why you KPKB that Singapore is being draconian in its strict vaccination policy on one breadth, but going ga-ga over China approach on the other breadth?

    Tech: It is a fact that China is adopting a zero-C19 policy, but it is not true that it is going after a 100% vaccination policy because they already acknowledged that it cannot be done. Hospitals have issued thousands (if not millions) of cannot-vax medical certs to those with existing conditions (like me and my wife) and those under 12 also CANNOT be vaxxed.

    As for the Sino vaccine, it is not 100% effective and they have acknowledged that officially, but it does offer some degree of protection (in fact better then mRNA ones) and it is also currently not pursuing 3rd booster. As far as I know, China has NEVER claimed that the Sino is 100% effective and they also acknowledge that there are side-effects OFFICIALLY. As such, they have a very comprehensive questionnaire for those who are taking the vaccine to minimise injuries and death from any side-effects. If for some reason those vaxxed suffer do side-effects, they cover their hospitalisation and treatment by DEFAULT, unlike in Sinkieland where you have to beg and apply only to have the clowns at MTF deny that it is not related to the vaccine.

    So wherever you hear about the “forced to go after zero covid policy” is simply not true. It has all along maintained a zero-C19 policy, even before any vaccines were available.

    If you ask me, “living with the virus” will cause a lot of injuries and death, on the other hand, zero-C19 actually prevents that since there are no C19 to bite anyone.

    I am sure anyone with a brain in the right place would prefer the latter, no?

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  • opposition dude:

    oxygen:
    @ Opposition dude

    THE UNVACCINATED ALREADY PAID via their tax on income for the cost of Covid-19 jabs of the fully vaccinated. Now they are forced to pay for their own surveillance test OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKET?

    The unvaccinated is forced to pay twice whilst the vaccinated got free ride of the jabs paid for by the unvaccinated.

    It is one-sided political oppression and abuse of DESPOTISM!!

    Might as well order the unvaccinated pay TWICE for the amount each time they shop in the crowded supermarket for their groceries purchase for alleged “risking” the spread of the virus to all other visiting customers at the relevant moment of time!!

    Uncle oxygen I wouldn’t be surprised if your prediction came true. These idiots are hell bent on getting all vaccinated and they are going to make the unvaccinated ones pay dearly for this. I expect them to tighten the restrictions and come up with new stupid rules to further differentiate the 2 groups. We shall all wait and see what new stupid announcements they make by the end of the year, it won’t be long now.

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  • Reject Foreign Interference:

    Tech: The supposed “China model” is there for the whole world to see and salivate at, don’t be lazy, go search for it. In fact, I would say that there is currently no China model for its residents, but it is prepared fully should the need arises. Besides, there are no local cases to use the supposed “China model” on, to begin with. lol

    You disappoint me! I thought you had great insightful knowledge and Spore could follow China model which is claimed to be very successful, only to tell there is no model! well, so now we no that this is all kpkb only, at least tell us about “their strategy of handling the imported cases has been overall very successful”. what was the strategy, how was it different from Spore, and since now China is already “open”, and hence presumably no more quarantine for visitors, how they are handling such a successful strategy?

    “it is not true that it is going after a 100% vaccination policy because they already acknowledged that it cannot be done. Hospitals have issued thousands (if not millions) of cannot-vax medical certs to those with existing conditions (like me and my wife) and those under 12 also CANNOT be vaxxed”. obviously. But they are going for 100% vaccination of people above 12 years with no medical conditions.

    If you are above 12 with no medical conditions, can you realistically opt out of vaccination? why do the hospitals need to issue you “cannot vax” medical certs? to show to the authorities so that they don’t force the vaccine on you? to go and eat in a restaurant? or for what purpose? they cannot be issuing such certs just for the heck of it, right?

    “As for the Sino vaccine, it is not 100% effective and they have acknowledged that officially, but it does offer some degree of protection (in fact better then mRNA ones)” ha ha, you know right that countries from Indonesia to Thailand to Vietnam to Middle East are rejecting free China vaccines for paid mrna ones?

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  • @Reject Foreign Interference

    In a nutshell, vaccination for those who are ELIGIBLE (above 12 and healthy) is STRONGLY ENCOURAGED, but NOT MANDATORY, purely on a WILLING basis. Also, TEENAGERS can ONLY get vaccinated with the parent’s or guardian’s WRITTEN CONSENT. There is also no such thing as vaxxed or unvaxxed status, unvaxxed being turned away from eateries and simi 2 to a table, cannot go shopping bull of a shit.

    1. The cannot-vax cert was issued initially when some of the local authorities had this wrong perception of the vaccination policies. They were under the impression that vaccination was mandatory, so they took it upon themselves to come out with all sorts of policies to ‘coerce’ vaccination, for example; cannot go to school if parents not vaccinated, cannot leave or enter the city if not vaccinated, etc (like what the PAPies are COPYING now).

    During that period, there were confusion all around and a lot of people were crying father crying mother, so the central authorities stepped in and made a public announcement on major papers and CCTV, making it clear and crystal that vaccination is FULLY VOLUNTARY and ORDERED that all the discrimination polices are to cease and desist IMMEDIATELY.

    Currently, no-vax or vaxxed cert is no longer needed for any local activities, BUT it is still available for those who are planning to go overseas, as some countries still require them.

    2. You said “it is also currently not pursuing 3rd booster” – if it is known to be ineffective, why go for boosters!

    Let me make myself clear again, I said “the vaccine is not 100% effective”, NOT “completely not effective” and I also said it is NOT “pursuing 3rd booster”, so what 3rd booster you KBKP about?

    3. As for the China model, I say liao, don’t be lazy, go search for it. Anyway, don’t bother, because Sinkieland is NOT capable of following the China model logistically being IMPOSSIBLE. The Chinese are very united in the face of a national emergency and they would take the risk to volunteer for any chores that they can. On the other hand, Sinkies are basically SELFISH, GIASU and GIASI and therefore the locaL rcS, cccS, cc, whatever could NEVER do what the volunteers in China’s 社区 did during the initial stage of the pandemic.

    Had those clowns at MTF adopted the China model, in about 2 months time, Sinkies would be celebrating the X’mas like millions in China, but NO, those clowns just have to be different and come up with the “living with the virus” crap. The result? Come X’mas, Sinkies will be celebrating X’mas with the C19 virus and some oldies but goodies would not be around to shake hands with Santa Clause. For those who no up the lorry, thousands would be celebrating in hospitals, hooked to a ventilator or worse, in ICU.

    4. You said “since now China is already “open”, and hence presumably no more quarantine for visitors, how they are handling such a successful strategy?”

    Which idiot told you that “no more quarantine for visitors”? In fact, ALL international arrivals are sent off to a dedicated quarantine center (mostly hotels) for a period of 21 days. They go through multiple tests, before they embark from the plane, after and at least 3 more times when they are under quarantine. All meals, medication and EVEYTHING are taken care of by the volunteers and staff at the center, ABSOLUTELY no chance for ANY of them to go downstairs or outside to da bao or buy cigarettes.

    No such thing as no positive can leave the airport and go out to play or SHN. EVERYONE will be whisked away to a dedicated quarantine center once they embark the plane, ABSOLUTELY no chance for ANYONE to leave the airport to go anywhere without going through the 21 days quarantine.

    For those with a property in the city, can special arrangement for them to be quarantined at home. Once ESCORTED home, they are TAGGED and in the case of Beijing, they put sensors on the front door which activates when anyone tries to leave the house. The staff at 物业 and 社区 will be there to take care of ALL food and medical needs. Again, no such thing as go downstairs jalan jalan or dabao.

    P/S: And BTW, please do not take context and argue for the sake of arguing, it’s very tiring and meaningless. There is a lot of information on the net, if you bother to search for it. The China model is not a state secret and countries like NZ, Aus, Taiwan and even HK are applying them.

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  • Trust only myself:

    Of course stop testing and/ or don’t count at all we can also achieve zero case correct?

    Can’t imagine we have such people with no brain among us………

    Already the policy now is no symptoms, well and can self isolate at home also no need to report the case, the numbers will go down no rocket science……..

    So businesses and citizens now can take care of their own health and pay endless amount to buy their own ART kits so that most expensive politicians can declare to the world we have the standard for the world to follow……

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  • Delina Arumugam:

    Aiyoh, tak boleh tahan lah!

    A very talented person like Techie could take self isolation from the rest of the world as “closed “ , something tantamount to total lockdown of the country?

    In the case of mainland China, they isolate themselves from the rest of the world by their insistence of adopting the zero Covid approach whereas all other countries understand and embrace the living with Covid approach.

    Mainland China Is big enough to keep going for a while if they isolate themselves from the rest of the world but eventually they will slowly wither away.

    Just wait and see what would mainland China does when all countries open their international borders without them!

    Delina Arumugam:
    Another great piece by Mr Lian s/o Tan.

    It is very enlightening and thought provoking.

    There are still people keep harping on the success of mainland China in keeping the virus in check. Obviously, it is achieved at a great social cost and is unsustainable unless the country will choose to isolate themselves from the rest of the world.

    At this time of the year, mainland China ( probably the island of Taiwan inclusive) is the only country in the world to adopt zero Covid policies. Those that adopt living with the virus approach are opening their international borders to embrace the world. Just wait and see what would mainland China does when the whole world is connected without them.

    The approach by Singapore in differentiation treatment for unvaccinated would appear to be the common understanding of the countries which adopt the more rational approach of living with the virus. In no time, people all over the world will find international travel is possible only with full vaccination. More and more such differentiation between vaccinated and unvaccinated will eventually be implemented across the globe, except mainland China if they insist on zero Covid policy.

    I applaud Mr Lian s/o Tan great intellectual property. Keep it up, Mr Lian s/o Tan, you are just fantastic!

    Tech: You are another misinformed joker, who says China is “closed”? It has already opened up and planes can fly into the country. In fact, their strategy of handling the imported cases has been overall very successful. Life is back to normal for the ENTIRE country and I am left with over 1000 masks unused. You want I donate to you. lol

    China just celebrated its anniversary with millions flying and traveling throughout the country, with ZERO fresh infection reported for the past 7 days, and millions will celebrate X’mas and New Year in 2 months time, no vaxxed status check or C19 tests or restrictions in dining. Unfortunately for Sinkies, it’s only a dream under the incompetant clowns at MTF and come X’mas, instead of turkey with your friends and family members, you will be cooking Maggie Mee and watching porn online. And this is your idea of a ‘normal life’?

    Tech: Mainland isolating itself from the rest of the world because they adopted a zero-C19 policy? If I may venture a guess, I don’t think you even know where China is. How long have you been confined to the pigeon hole of yours? lol

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  • Delina Arumugam:

    Dear Sir,

    I had been to mainland China more than 30 times! I know mainland China better than most people in Singapore!

    Yes, they adopt zero Covid approach is tantamount to isolate themselves from the rest of the world as no other country is doing the same.

    Now, their very strict pandemic control regime hamper the flow of people as well as the flow of other resources needed for country building. They simply could not afford to do that forever and had to change!

    Tech: Mainland isolating itself from the rest of the world because they adopted a zero-C19 policy? If I may venture a guess, I don’t think you even know where China is. How long have you been confined to the pigeon hole of yours? lol

    Tech: I see, so you walked past NUS 30 times and suddenly you are a PhD holder and you know NUS inside out? What a joke! Dunno say dunno lar, ask nicely and I am sure the readers here won’t mind sharing with you. Quarantine international arrivals is “isolating” from the rest of the world and mass-testing is “hampering” economic growth? What a warped sense of logic you have.

    For your information, life in China is now so so back to normal, as it was before the pandemic, there are no restrictions on travel, dining, shopping, whatsoever. So what “very strict pandemic control regime” are you talking about? During the recent 10.1 long holidays, MILLIONS flew and drove all over the country for their holidays, no need to show vax or unvax status.

    And the city I am based in has gone more than a year without a single local case of C19 infection, The last 2 local cases of C19 in China were before the 10.1. Really 说了都不好意思. lol

    And mind you, China is NOT the only country that’s adopting a zero-C19 policy, NZ, Aus, Taiwan, Malaysia, etc etc etc are all doing the same. While the ONLY country on planet Earth that’s adopting a “living with the virus” policy is Sinkieland, because it can afford to let its oldies but goodies die.

    For your info, I have been in China for almost 2 decades, and by your logic, I would have multiple PhDs by now. lol

    In China, we have a saying: 愚蠢到可笑, 无知到可悲.

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  • Reject Foreign Interference:

    Techie really likes to play with words! first he says China is “open”, then he clarifies must be quarantined for 3 weeks. Like that, Spore, Europe, USA etc were never closed! as the rest of the world forges quarantine free vaccinated travel lanes, what will China do? Sit in a corner and sulk, or will also do the same? and if they do the same, where will China fanatic followers hide their face? At the moment, of course, China will try to develop propoganda to try to prevent the rest of the world from traveling, aided by their PR supporters here and elsewhere. They will try to influence badly, hoping people will protest and demand that no quarantine free travel be allowed. But they should know it is an exercise in futility! the world is moving ahead.

    Based on what Techie says, I gather the China Model is rounding up whole cities for testing (dropping all their work) if a few case arises, and locking down the specific cities and even whole provinces. Techie should realise that such arbitrary actions can only be taken in a draconian regime as they are answerable to none. no judiciary, no elections, no oppo outlets. Also, China has hundreds of cities and they can easily shut a few cities or even provinces on few cases, as the rest of the country is operating and no shutdown of economy. How can Singapore do the same? The whole city shut means the whole country shut means the whole economy shut!

    Tech: “quarantine” international arrivals means the country is “closed”? Which dictionary are you using? One thing for sure you are correct, is that Sinkieland was NEVER “closed”, while China used to ban ALL arrivals during the pandemic, i.e. closed to the world. Now anyone can visit China, no need for any travel lanes, just the correct Visa, get it?

    AND Yes, it is common knowledge that China will not hesitate to lockdown an entire estate, country or city when they are fresh cases and then test EVERYONE. That’s how zero-c19 works and has been VERY effective. Would you rather not work for a few days or have everyone around you infected and die off? Don’t gimme that shit about the economy, Sinkieland has vast reserves, it can afford to feed its people for years, so what is one or two weeks of lockdown to eradicate the virus COMPLETELY? During the initial pandemic stage, China lockdown an ENTIRE COUNTRY for months and of course suffered economic losses in the TRILLIONS, but they never looked back, because the people’s well-being comes 1st.

    Honeslty, I am so sick and tired of engaging you because you are so ill-informed and like to twist everything I said and makeup stories on China. I am more than willing to share what I know and to learn from fellow readers, but if you are only interested in twisting everything I said, just for the sake of arguing with me, you are free to continue to spill your warped opinion on China, but I won’t be engaging you any further.

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  • if not controlled properly:

    //In the case of mainland China, they isolate themselves from the rest of the world by their insistence of adopting the zero Covid approach whereas all other countries understand and embrace the living with Covid approach.//

    aiyoh. CN (like some big countries with plentiful of fertile land & clean water ??) is itself a world on its world having almost all the basics to sustain itself even without the need to link up with the outside world JUST that it is painful and difficult to reverse the globalization process which their own economic structure has already been altered & geared to be part of ??

    too much globalization may not be good (if not controlled properly ??) as it alters the very way of life and landscape of a country e.g pollution (air, land, water), deforestation, spread of decease, capitalistic greed creating much inequality and expropriation or extraction of resources etc, etc ???

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  • Don't insult the Pigeons!:

    Delina Arumugam:
    Aiyoh, tak boleh tahan lah!

    A very talented person like Techie could take self isolation from the rest of the world as “closed “ , something tantamount to total lockdown of the country?

    In the case of mainland China, they isolate themselves from the rest of the world by their insistence of adopting the zero Covid approach whereas all other countries understand and embrace the living with Covid approach.

    Mainland China Is big enough to keep going for a while if they isolate themselves from the rest of the world but eventually they will slowly wither away.

    Just wait and see what would mainland China does when all countries open their international borders without them!

    Tech: Mainland isolating itself from the rest of the world because they adopted a zero-C19 policy? If I may venture a guess, I don’t think you even know where China is. How long have you been confined to the pigeon hole of yours? lol

    @ Tech
    This joker praises TKL so much and don’t even know TKL is a CCP supporter. So pigeon hole is an insult to all pigeons. Only TKL’s a$$$hole is suitable.

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  • logical but is it any comfor:

    //The fact of the matter is, like every other country, our wave will also come down and deaths will come down to. In 2 months time, our deaths will be maybe 1 in 3 days. Do KPKB now and make hay while the sun shines as in 2 months time, you won’t have the opportunity!//

    yar lor ?? if you are already prepared for a strategy that will result in YYY no. of casualties, of course some people (or many ??) will expire until it reaches a stage that the no. will have to come down lor ???

    logical but is it any comfort when those deaths (the high number) need not have to happen if you adopt another strategy ???

    if one aims for zero-convit99 strategy, deaths will still happen but lower in number ??? but if one decides not to adopt zero-convit99 strategy, of course deaths will be higher (because the non-adoption of of zero-convit99 strategy is one “”significant”" contributory factor resulting in the high number) ??? the dilemma in the choice between economy and no of deaths ??

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  • WakeupSG:

    TKL:I looked at the experience in India and Indonesia. Their infections and deaths have come down by over 90% compared to a peak a few months earlier. Their vaccination rate remained below 50%, compared to over 80% for Singapore.

    What is the possible reason for the spike in cases in Singapore and the sharp drop in India and Indonesia?

    LEARN FROM UTTAR PRADESH SUCCESS STORY!

    The Indian Express:
    “Uttar Pradesh government says early use of IVERMECTIN helped to keep positivity, deaths low”

    TO MTF-MOH:
    STOP THE mRNA VACCINATION & START THE EARLY USE OF IVERMECTIN!
    FOR GOD’S SAKE THROW AWAY THE COMMERCIAL INTERESTS IN MODERNA & PFIZER INVESTMENTS TO SAVE SG!
    WE DON’T HAVE TO RESPECT COVID TO LIVE WITH IT!
    WAKE UP!

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  • Delina Arumugam:

    Dear TRE Techie

    You are absolutely positively a very talented person! It is a shame that Sinkiland lost you to mainland China. Please be nice to your birth place and the place you are now living.

    Personal knowledge on mainland China asides, just wait and see if they will adopt different approach in the future. One thing for sure, their current pandemic prevention regime at the international borders is very different from countries that have established VTL with Sinkiland. The tendency is more will follow suit. Would mainland China does the same with Sinkiland now?

    Just for your information, obviously Malaysia,Indonesia, NZ, Aus …..have geared toward to living with the virus. When vaccination of their people has reached the targeted level, they will start to open their international borders as soon as they can. It is obvious that mainland Chinese now have not been prepared psychologically to do so as zero Covid has been cast too deep into their psychic!

    Delina Arumugam:
    Dear Sir,

    I had been to mainland China more than 30 times! I know mainland China better than most people in Singapore!

    Yes, they adopt zero Covid approach is tantamount to isolate themselves from the rest of the world as no other country is doing the same.

    Now, their very strict pandemic control regime hamper the flow of people as well as the flow of other resources needed for country building. They simply could not afford to do that forever and had to change!

    Tech: I see, so you walked past NUS 30 times and suddenly you are a PhD holder and you know NUS inside out? What a joke! Dunno say dunno lar, ask nicely and I am sure the readers here won’t mind sharing with you. Quarantine international arrivals is “isolating” from the rest of the world and mass-testing is “hampering” economic growth? What a warped sense of logic you have.

    For your information, life in China is now so so back to normal, as it was before the pandemic, there are no restrictions on travel, dining, shopping, whatsoever. So what “very strict pandemic control regime” are you talking about? During the recent 10.1 long holidays, MILLIONS flew and drove all over the country for their holidays, no need to show vax or unvax status.

    And the city I am based in has gone more than a year without a single local case of C19 infection, The last 2 local cases of C19 in China were before the 10.1. Really 说了都不好意思. lol

    And mind you, China is NOT the only country that’s adopting a zero-C19 policy, NZ, Aus, Taiwan, Malaysia, etc etc etc are all doing the same. While the ONLY country on planet Earth that’s adopting a “living with the virus” policy is Sinkieland, because it can afford to let its oldies but goodies die.

    For your info, I have been in China for almost 2 decades, and by your logic, I would have multiple PhDs by now. lol

    In China, we have a saying: 愚蠢到可笑, 无知到可悲.

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  • Reject Foreign Interference:

    “Sinkieland has vast reserves, it can afford to feed its people for years, so what is one or two weeks of lockdown to eradicate the virus COMPLETELY”

    Please, lah! Spore don’t have unlimited reserves. already 100 million gone in one lockdown. and there is no such thing as eradicate completely. even China never achieve. just in last 3 months, they have had two outbreaks. and will continue to have. if you don’t count country as a whole, China has at least 8 to 10 lockdowns since covid started. just that in each lockdown, a few cities / provinces are closed for 3 to 4 weeks, but because it is has hundreds of other cities and vast rural area, 90 % of country continues to operate in each lockdown. if spore got 8 to 10 lockdowns, how? in our case, the entire city / country has to lock down – ok, maybe except pulau ubin! so a solution that can work for China is impractical / ludicrous for Spore – such crude sledgehammer approach cannot work.

    and then you mentioned NZ, Australia, Taiwan, Malaysia as following China model in another post. Australia has huge spikes in cases and deaths despite following China model. Melbourne officially overtook Buenos Aires as the most lockdown city! nothing to be proud. so how come China model failed there? people are rioting. authorities already said once end of October, they achieve 80% vaccination, they are going to remove most if not all restrictions. if China model means to be lockdown for 300 days in total over last 1.5 years, then that is a joke. Malaysia – are you joking? one of the country with the worst death rate per capita in the whole world! now their numbers coming down, their vaccination almost 90% soon, and they already opening up and talking of living with “endemic covid”. Taiwan suffered 900 deaths in 3 months from May to August, of which 800 deaths in Taipei, a city smaller than Singapore. NZ is perhaps the only valid example, but is hardly representative of the world. tucked away in a corner, very very low population density, more sheeps than humans. once again, all of thes countries have multiple cities / rural areas which can continue to operate when some cities / regions are lockdown.

    And you still have not replied my question. in a few months, when the rest of the world will have vaccinated quarantine free travel, will China follow the “Singapore model” / “rest of the world model” or sit in a corner and sulk? since you know China so well, you must have an inkling about this.

    Tech: Why should China even bother to follow the idiots to have “vaccinated quarantine free travel”? China is already open to international arrivals while keeping the C19 at bay. ANYONE with a valid Visa can catch a plane and enter China, understand?

    Zero-C19 has worked very well for China and if the Aus and other countries cannot implement it successfully, then they only have themselves to blame. FYI, China has “eradicate completely” the C19, there is ZERO local cases and the city I am based in has gone ZERO C19 for more than a year. Do a search and get your facts right. Your understanding of the zero-C19 model is so misguided and warped, I won’t even bother to waste my time trying to explain. Please do a search yourself, don’t be lazy.

    Anyway, I am not going to entertain you further just arguing for the sake of arguing, I will leave it as such. Go live with the virus, maybe even marry one if you love the C19 so much. Good luck and I hope you enjoy your Maggi Mee come X’mas, while I will be in GZ celebrating and partying with a few fellow Sinkies. lol

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  • Reject Foreign Interference:

    Latest figures indicate spore has turned the corner, as numbers are falling. though deaths will continue for a while. though I admit it is too early to tell, need to see the trend for a few more days. one statistic that is missing is positivity rate, which would indicate whether a smaller population catchment is being used for testing, or numbers really going down.

    Tech: The reason why figures are falling is that MTF has probably stopped testing and tracing and most who tested +ve at home are not counted, only those who are admitted to hospitals are counted. Sinkieland is aiming for “living with the virus” to achieve the elusive “herd immunity” and that can only be achieved if the MAJORITY of the populace is infected, so how can they allow the C19 to stop infecting? The figures are clearly massaged and if they allow the figures to shoot up, then there will be mass panic and anger because more than 70% of the populace are against “living with the virus”. So they have to do it “quietly”.

    AGAIN, let me repeat. In order to achieve “herd immunity”, a MAJORITY of the populace HAS TO BE infected! Understand? You are so easy to hoodwink. lol

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  • Reject Foreign Interference:

    “Anyway, don’t bother, because Sinkieland is NOT capable of following the China model logistically being IMPOSSIBLE. The Chinese are very united in the face of a national emergency and they would take the risk to volunteer for any chores that they can. On the other hand, Sinkies are basically SELFISH, GIASU and GIASI and therefore the locaL rcS, cccS, cc, whatever could NEVER do what the volunteers in China’s 社区 did during the initial stage of the pandemic.”

    The above sounds like straight out of Global Times!

    Anyway,” volunteers” in CCP regime sounds similar to “volunteers” in Stalin rule or Hitler rule or even when doing NS in SAF! kena arrow many times but described as “volunteers”!

    “The cannot-vax cert was issued initially when some of the local authorities had this wrong perception of the vaccination policies. They were under the impression that vaccination was mandatory, so they took it upon themselves to come out with all sorts of policies to ‘coerce’ vaccination, for example; cannot go to school if parents not vaccinated, cannot leave or enter the city if not vaccinated, etc (like what the PAPies are COPYING now).

    During that period, there were confusion all around and a lot of people were crying father crying mother, so the central authorities stepped in and made a public announcement on major papers and CCTV, making it clear and crystal that vaccination is FULLY VOLUNTARY and ORDERED that all the discrimination polices are to cease and desist IMMEDIATELY.”

    It is unlikely in China that local authorities will take initiative to do anything major like this (including production of cannot – vax certificates which will involve major IT system changes) without blessing of the powers to be. The reality is likely to be that this was the policy decided by the powerful gods and told to local authorities to implement. when lot of KPK by people, they decided to reverse course but say the powerful gods stepped in to help the people. the reputation of the powerful gods can never be tarnished. the local authorities are always the fall guys, to take the blame when anything goes wrong. Evergrande saga is the latest one going this way

    Tech: Now I know why the incompetent are voted into power time after time. Sinkieland may be so full of such misguided, misinformed, naive and childish souls. lol

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  • @Delina Arumugam

    You said: Just for your information, obviously Malaysia,Indonesia, NZ, Aus …..have geared toward to living with the virus. When vaccination of their people has reached the targeted level, they will start to open their international borders as soon as they can. It is obvious that mainland Chinese now have not been prepared psychologically to do so as zero Covid has been cast too deep into their psychic!

    You are a very confused person and have obviously mixed up “open” with the C19 policies.

    1. It is NOT true that “Malaysia, Indonesia, NZ, Aus …..have geared toward to living with the virus”, especially NZ. Inability to control the virus with a zero-C19 policy is NOT the same as “gearing towards” living with the virus policy. Take Malaysia for example, it is currently as infected as Sinkieland, but it is still working towards a zero-C19 target, even though it is still struggling. Sinkieland on the other hand can be said to be aiming towards “living with the virus” because it is not even trying to eradicate the virus and has given up trying to.

    2. And for the last time, China’s “international borders” are already opened since the beginning of 2021, so stop repeating that it has shut itself to the rest of the world. ANYONE with a valid Visa can catch a plane and land in China (except BJ). However, ALL international arrivals have to undergo a period of quarantine. Just because there is quarantine in place does not equate to China being “closed” to the rest of the world, as you alleged.

    You mean Sinkieland does not quarantine its international arrivals and just allows them to walk into the city as per normal? If that is so, that may explain why Sinkieland is in such a pathetic state right now.

    You claim Sinkieland is more “open” than China, which is completely untrue but a figment of your imagination. Sinkieland is basically in a semi-lockdown with plenty of stupendous restrictions in place, while China has NONE, ZERO. Life is back to normal, as normal as pre-C19 days.

    3. BTW, let me rejoin what I had said earlier about the mass testing. It takes only about 1/2 a day (if you follow the queue) and oldies with underlying conditions (like me) and those above 60 don’t even need to queue because there are special lanes for people like us.

    How hard is it to take a leave of absence for one to go for a test to avoid serious injuries and maybe even death?

    Allow me to add that should the estate that you live in is under lockdown, you don’t need to worry about your next meal because the local community centers (社区) with their volunteers would make all the necessary arrangements to deliver FREE cooking oil, veggies and rice right to your doorstep. You will also receive a list of all the mini-marts and pharma to order daily necessities and medicines (they have an official WeChat group to coordinate).

    Should you need something else, like special medicine which the local pharma does not and cannot sell, like prescription drugs, all you need to do is to call/WeChat the local community center IC assigned to your area and they will make all the arrangements for the medicine to be delivered to your doorstep. Should you fall sick and needs to go to a hospital, they will arrange for an ambulance to ferry you there. If it is just a normal sickness like sprained ankle no need to go to a hospital, they will arrange for a GP to visit you. Most of the medical services (as long as you are locked down), are FREE or at a very heavily discounted rate.

    For affected oldies but goodies living alone, the volunteers from the local community center will visit them on a daily basis to deliver food, medicine and to check on their needs and condition. You may not know this, but the local community centers have a complete list of all occupants in estates under their purview, so they know who needs what should the need arises.

    However, most of us try not to bother these volunteers because there is MeiTuan (美团) and TaoBao (淘宝), where we can order practically anything that is legal. Such orders will be delivered to the security guard posts of the estate (almost all estate has one) and the volunteers will then deliver them to your doorstep.

    I hope this is clear enough for you.

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  • Delina Arumugam:

    WAO!

    We have absolutely positively totally lost TRE Techie to mainland China. This is beyond any reasonable doubt!

    Yes, national of countries that have effected VTL with Sinkiland could just walk in if 48 hrs before departure PCR tested negative and upon arrival, another negative PCR test. We will see hordes of people from these countries soon.

    Could mainland China, under their circumstances now, does the same with Sinkiland? Obviously they are not ready for the foreseeable future.

    It is understood that even their own people retuning from Sinkiland had to undergo a 14-day quarantine. A further 7 days stay home confinement had to be observed if the test result after the quarantine is negative. Another negative test result had to be obtained after the home confinement before freedom of movement be accorded. Don’t you think this will impede the flow of people which will have profound impact on everything that any country will need?

    Living with Covid doesn’t mean effort will not be spent on containing the virus but at reasonable cost and means. If zero Covid could be achieved with the means, so much the better. If not, we can still carry on to open our international borders progressively wider with out much problems.Could mainland China ready to do it now? Obviously not!

    Really wonder how much longer could mainland China continue with their zore tolerance approach. They will definitely have to change sooner or later or they will be very different from the rest of the world.

    Finally, very pleased to know that you are so well taken care of at the place where you now live. Please love them and treasure them dearly, and do not do anything antagonistic to the effort by the authorities to look after their citizens. Eg, don’t go around telling them not to go for the jabs because you believe it will have many horrendous side effects. If they find you be the hindrance, they will definitely not hesitate to pack you off even if you have roots there.

    God bless Sinkiland, god bless mainland China, god bless TRE Techie.

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  • @Delina Arumugam

    China now has ZERO local infections, why should it allow people with possibly fake certs to waltz into the country like what Sinkieland is doing now (and possibly regretting since its seniors are dropping like flies)?

    Since China does not prevent ANYONE (including those infected) to enter the country, why are you so obsessed with the ability to waltz through customs? It is precisely this ability to waltz through customs that landed Sinkieland in this current pathetic pandemic mess right now.

    Besides, WHY should China residents want to live with the virus when they already have a clean and safe environment that’s virus-free to live in? Just because those clowns at MTF are unable to eradicate and contain the C19, you expect the whole world to be like Sinkieland and live with the virus?

    BTW, you said:

    “Living with Covid doesn’t mean effort will not be spent on containing the virus but at reasonable cost and means. If zero Covid could be achieved with the means, so much the better. If not, we can still carry on to open our international borders progressively wider with out much problems. Could mainland China ready to do it now? Obviously not!”

    That’s ABSOLUTE rubbish. Living with the virus means precisely that, don’t expect the virus to get sick and tired of biting and swim over to Johore. With its current half-baked policies, Sinkieland will 99.9% NEVER be able to achieve zero-C19 when they are NOT going after each and every infected case. The 1% is UNLESS everyone on the island is dead or has been infected and the elusive “herd immunity” is achieved. At best, Sinkieland will be able to ‘achieve’ statuses like India and Isreal, still with people dying and continuing to get infected, albeit at a slower pace.

    So expect to see oldies but goodies continue to die off, with Sinkieland’s “living with the virus policy”. If you have oldies but goodies parents or grandparents, I strongly suggest you quickly send them to countries like NZ, Taiwan, HK and of course China, before they get bitten by the C19 virus and pass on before their time is up. Oh don’t bother with China, cause according to you, the country is “closed”. lol

    You are so cute you know? Your childishness defies all logic, but I still hope your God will protect you and your family members from the C19. You obviously need the blessing more than me considering that you are literally breathing and eating the C19 virus on a daily basis.

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  • @Reject Foreign Interference

    You wanted the China model which Sinkieland will NEVER be able to implement, here’s one movie that’s as near to the truth as it can gets:

    https://www.xinjuw.com/vod-220222-1-1.html

    http://www.kxxer.com/gresource/117520.html?117520-1-1

    It is precisely of this model that MILLIONS in Wuhan and China are still alive today. Had the PAPies been in charge of the pandemic, MILLIONS would be dead by now.

    And the official figures for the VICTORIOUS fight against the c19 STANDS AT:

    540,000 medical staff fought in the frontlines in Hubei province alone, aided by 246 medical teams from other province comprising of 40,000 medical staff, excluding the millions of volunteers throughout the entire country attending to un-infected residents on lockdown.

    Sadly, about 4000 of them lost their lives from infection due to the C19.

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