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Death rate according to vaccination status

In the social media, there are many complaints that the Ministry of Health has stopped providing information of deaths separated between vaccinated and unvaccinated people. The posters said that MOH wanted to hide the facts.

This is not the case.

84% of the population is already vaccinated. This is a high proportion.

If the actual deaths are divided equally between the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups, the death rate among the unvaccinated is 84/16 = 5.2 times higher than the vaccinated group.

Many people are not aware the correct approach to interpret the data. They do not take into account the actual exposure when they looked at the data on the deaths.

When this proportion reaches 100%, all the deaths will be from the vaccinated group.

I suspect that MOH decides not to provide the breakdown due to misinterpretation of the data.

 

Tan Kin Lian

 

 

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25 Responses to “Death rate according to vaccination status”

  • I respectfully disagree with Mr Tan on the way the death rate is calculated.

    If the actual deaths are divided equally between the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups, the death rate among the unvaccinated is 84/16 = 5.2 times higher than the vaccinated group.

    It is common belief that the MTF has been massaging and removing (hiding) data if the data will embarrass them.

    As such, we should assume that the death rate of those who are vaccinated should be HIGHER, or else they would need to suddenly HIDE it. Hence assuming the vaxxed and unvaxxed are equally likely to get infected and die, then going by the percentage of vaxxed at 84%, then the number of deaths should be 84% of the total deaths, i.e. for every 100 who died, 84 are vaccinated.

    But then, we now know that the vaxxed are 13 times more likely to get infected than the vaxxed, so the figure should be higher.

    http://www.tremeritus.net/2021/09/01/fully-vaccinated-with-pfizer-6-to-13-times-more-likely-to-get-delta/

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  • TKL is brainwashed:

    Some time back, someone very special already admitted that the gov massage data until they look good.

    If this gov is honestly afraid of data misinterpretation by the public, it can always add the correct interpretation immediately after the data.

    The fact that the data is omitted (or covered up) is very indicative.

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  • fire:

    TRE Techie:
    I respectfully disagree with Mr Tan on the way the death rate is calculated.

    It is common belief that the MTF has been massaging and removing (hiding) data if the data will embarrass them.

    As such, we should assume that the death rate of those who are vaccinated should be HIGHER. Hence assuming the vaxxed and unvaxxed are equally likely to get infected and die, then going by the percentage of vaxxed at 84%, then the number of deaths should be 84% of the total deaths, i.e. for every 100 who died, 84 are vaccinated.

    But then, we now know that the vaxxed are 13 times more likely to get infected than the vaxxed, so the figure should be higher.

    http://www.tremeritus.net/2021/09/01/fully-vaccinated-with-pfizer-6-to-13-times-more-likely-to-get-delta/

    Those animal working for 160th press ranking .
    Still trust them .

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  • opposition dude:

    No need to talk so much lah, we only need to know the number of seniors who passed on since the start of October into the following categories.

    Non vaxxed how many?

    Partial vaxxed how many?

    Full how many?

    Don’t bother whether the senior has underlying illnesses or not since we only want to know the percentages from each group. We know there are vaccinated seniors dying daily so a rough count would be something like 25% to 30% of vaccinated seniors dying.

    But you know who won’t be giving the numbers since it will be embarrassing for them to do so.

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  • Harder Truths:

    TRE Techie: I respectfully disagree with Mr Tan on the way the death rate is calculated.

    You are too kind. I cannot respect someone who has his brains in his a$$e.

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  • Delina Arumugam:

    Mr Lian s/o Tan is one of the rare individuals who always maintain a right state of mind!

    Sinkiland is fortunate to have him around to counter the bad and the ugly!

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  • @Harder Truths

    I respect EVERYONE regardless of Race, Language or Religion until I am proven ABSOLUTELY and TERRIBLY wrong.

    Mr Tan has a very optimistic view of life, I like that. Death staring in the face also relax relax take it cool, I wish I could be like that.

    He really is my 呕像.

    @fire

    A former Sinkie once told me, “NEVER trust a politician”.

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  • Fruit Fly:

    Harder Truths: You are too kind. I cannot respect someone who has his brains in his a$$e.

    What will the shits say? “No problem, dude, it’s just a pea-brain”.

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    The gov and various reports have already (somewhat discreetly) said that about 30% of the deaths are people who had already been vaccinated, so not sure what TKL is trying to say.

    On misleading the public or massaging the data or whatnot, the recent Westlite dorm case clearly shows the gov doesn’t tell everything. Who is responsible? Why a purpose-built dorm for covid conditions can screw up? Where is the MOM minister since then? Who should hara-kiri (can ask KBW for assistance)? Why big elephant walking in front of TKL but he prefers to talk about interpretation of clearly incomplete data, hor? Recall 8 deaths in previous Hep C ward – till now who in MOH/SGH had been held accountable? In fact, the then MOH minister is now Chairman of the PAP central committee. Rewarding oneself thru Failures indeed. The Mee Siam Mai Hum style.

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  • Job:

    U can always compare the death of say people of 60 and above between pre COVID 2019 Jun to nov against 2021 Jun to nov. and u would roughly know the diff. May be + or – 10%

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  • oxygen:

    @ Delina Arumugam

    YOUR INSIGHTFUL ILLUMINATION can’t escape my laughter read. WE BOTH ARE WATCHING EITHER A CARNIVAL JESTER or A CIRCUS BUSKER PERFORMING its USUAL PREDICTABLE theatrical public entertainment appearance.

    Delina Arumugam: Mr Lian s/o Tan is one of the rare individuals who always maintain a right state of mind!

    Sinkiland is fortunate to have him around to counter the bad and the ugly!

    THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION!

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  • 5000 liao:

    How er?

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  • it becomes NORMAL:

    //When this proportion reaches 100%, all the deaths will be from the vaccinated group.//

    so the story goes THAT it becomes NORMAL liao AND vaccination no use liao and the story goes THAT vaccination prevents serious illness and death (but nothing is said on LONG CONVID99 which is given MIN OR NO coverage in sinkie land 160th environmental standard ???) ??

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  • Homeless Cat:

    Accountability is not a thing with the MIWs. They will all say it is our fault.

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  • subject to misinterpretation:

    //I suspect that MOH decides not to provide the breakdown due to misinterpretation of the data.//

    aiyoh. i also sUSPACk hor that they are applying 160th media standard to the max ??? in fact, sinkie land should not have SHITTY TIME AT ALL as every piece of news published can be subject to misinterpretation ???

    even 4 = 5 and selected = elected can be misinterpreted also hor ???

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  • kinlian is misleading:

    Tan Kin Lian, your own misunderstanding and misinterpretation is misleading the public. This is the real problem with you because you believe only in your own conclusions, when you have been proven wrong in the Presidential Elections where you were knocked out flat. You even could not recover your $deposit.

    Time to wake up! Tan Kin Lian!

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  • Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    TKL having cognitive dissonance – he cannot accept the FACTS on the ground and the DATA now being realized for Sinkieland; so like PAPies, he try ways & means to TWIST & TURN REALITY to suit his narrative… and soothe his own troubled mind. LOL.

    UK Covid waves are slightly earlier than Sinkiepore, so if you look at UK DATA, it already tells you that risks of death in vaxxinated is actually far higher than those with “Clean Natural Blood”.

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-09-28-covid-deaths-in-vaccinated-3000-higher.html

    I foresee those who have taken the (mRNA) jabs being stuck in limbo now:

    - if they do not continue to take more (mRNA) jabs, then the efficacy reduces within a few months, then probability of them “Kaput” increases; because their own “Natural Immune System” itself never learned to fight covid.

    [This is just like an overly-protected child who never learns to swim, and always cloistered by protective parents who continuously give him/her LOTS of aids such as life vests and huge floats, thinking that all this will keep their child SAFE. So the child grows up just knowing how to FLOAT in the swimming pool but never learnt how to actually SURVIVE in open sea and face changing tides.

    Then, one day when the floods arrive, the child cannot even keep his/her head above water without all the special floats and aids. LOL]

    OR
    - If they take more “booster” jabs just to sustain their bodies BROKEN immune system, then their bodies may become increasingly “addicted” or “weakened” and then the probability of “kaput” also increases with more Nth boosters… until “Boostered” til Death?

    This stupid PAPies are also in denial and does not want to do “U-Turn” because of “face-saving” and PRIDE and also refuse to admit their GRAVE Error. You know the saying Pride comes before the Fall?

    Now, the PAPies idiots still want to copycat US to push for (mRNA) jabs for young children! Young children have strong natural immune system, so there is NO NEED for these DANGEROUS EXPERIMENTAL jabs lah!

    In the end, like the above allegory on swimming, the more jabs these kids get, the worse it will be for them lor. Anyway, Good Luck to Sinkies!

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  • Ciciṉam:

    Delina Arumugam:
    Mr Lian s/o Tan is one of the rare individuals who always maintain a right state of mind!

    Sinkiland is fortunate to have him around to counter the bad and the ugly!

    s/o? Don’t disgrace all “fathers” of Tan surname.

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  • xoxo:

    Where you studied?
    Cant say much about your school.
    It must be lousy.
    Or,maybe you are?

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  • Robert:

    All I note is that the number of deaths spiked since only from Sep 2021. Remember, people with underlying medical conditions have always been with us.

    Pre Sep 2021, it seems deaths were well under control with the odd death occurring on rare occasions.

    But suddenly with the Delta variant, it looks like our doctors are unable to fight this new variant; thus we see high death numbers on a daily basis.

    The sad thing is that the MTF seems very blase about the death numbers…now these are merely statistics.

    I have lost confidence in this MTF and our health officers and question their ability to control the pandemic or rather, endemic.

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  • Aim to Misrepresent:

    Homeless Cat: When this proportion reaches 100%, all the deaths will be from the vaccinated group.

    I suspect that MOH decides not to provide the breakdown due to misinterpretation of the data.

    I guess the initial aim of publishing the deaths differentiated by
    vaccinated and unvaccinated people was to misrepresent allow people to misinterpret that the jabs actually protect people from severe illness and deaths. There may be those unvaccinated seniors who passed away were not illegible to be vaccinated for existing medical conditions. Were these seniors taken out of the data MOH used to published? Now, that even with the help of such misrepresented raw data, it no longer supports MMTF narrative.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Aim to Misrepresent

    PINPOINT OBSERVATION there! A lot of the seniors “know” their residual “longevity” left, some don’t want to shorten that to sudden outcome of vaccine mortality (which will be hidden and blocked from financial claims if and when that happens).

    They have compelling legitimate reason/s not to risk a vaccine-instigated outcome which officialdom CANNOT ADMIT to truthfulness (lest it frighten away other seniors that political cows wants all to be vaccinated).

    That bloated up the official stats that far more unvaccinated hit the mortality lottery (if infected) more than the vaccinated making the official narrative that vaccines actually “works” (when it is NOT, otherwise why booster jabs is needed and outside dining among vaccinated is limited to two??).

    When officialdom is caught lying, they either shut-up or double up their lies peddling OR SHOUT DOWN those protesting.

    It seems the political cows in officialdom, in IMHO, is resorting to doubling their lies peddling.

    Aim to Misrepresent: I guess the initial aim of publishing the deaths differentiated by
    vaccinated and unvaccinated people was to misrepresent allow people to misinterpret that the jabs actually protect people from severe illness and deaths. There may be those unvaccinated seniors who passed away were not illegible to be vaccinated for existing medical conditions. Were these seniors taken out of the data MOH used to published? Now, that even with the help of such misrepresented raw data, it no longer supports MMTF narrative.

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  • oxygen:

    IF FAMILY DINING IN RESTAURANTS is “dangerous” thus limited to two only per table even among the fully vaccinated, isn’t it MORE DANGEROUS AND STUPID to have home-quarantine for cases already known a family member or a few is infected?

    Isn’t this LOGICALLY ILLLOGICAL of windy happy contradiction?

    What does @TKL has to say about this?

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  • Too many crooks:

    The WTF members divide up the works. WTF member A takes care of home rules. Member B takes care of restaurant rules. Member C takes care of transport rules.

    Divide and conquer. Job done easily!

    oxygen:
    IF FAMILY DINING IN RESTAURANTS is “dangerous” thus limited to two only per table even among the fully vaccinated, isn’t it MORE DANGEROUS AND STUPID to have home-quarantine for cases already known a family member or a few is infected?

    Isn’t this LOGICALLY ILLLOGICAL of windy happy contradiction?

    What does @TKL has to say about this?

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  • Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    oxygen:
    IF FAMILY DINING IN RESTAURANTS is “dangerous” thus limited to two only per table even among the fully vaccinated, isn’t it MORE DANGEROUS AND STUPID to have home-quarantine for cases already known a family member or a few is infected?

    Isn’t this LOGICALLY ILLLOGICAL of windy happy contradiction?

    What does @TKL has to say about this?

    As usual, the PAPies play tricks to HIDE & COVER-UP their mistakes or screw-ups lor.
    PAPies talk only like they claim they are well-prepared after learning from SARS episode, but its all lip-service only to FOOL the Sinkies lah. LOL.

    When they never prepare enough masks in stockpile, they cover-up by telling Sinkies on front page “Sh*t Times” headlines “No need to wear mask, if you are well”. Then, after they hurriedly stockpile enough masks, then they change their story to mandate masks for all. See… covered-up… Whew!.. LOL.

    For many decades when they NEVER prepare enough hospital beds, so they tell Sinkies to do “home quarantine” yourself lor. Basically, not enough hospital beds, so use high falutin medical policies to COVER-UP their fatal mistakes and ineptitude. LOL.

    See my earlier chart data on Sinkiepore’s number of beds per 1000, compared to many other countries:
    https://www.tremeritus.net/2021/09/28/the-cha-cha-dance/

    I suspect PAPies next step is to continue their pig-headed stubborn policy to blame the “un-vaxxed” and claim we MUST hit 100% for “herd community”? LOL.

    The only rational reason why LHL wants to “force” everyone 100% to get jabbed (otherwise you may become jobless), is to remove the “control” group in this mass EXPERIMENT. Then once the pandemic dies a natural death (as with all past pandemics in history which will naturally die off with TIME and NOT because of a particular vaxx or not); he can then claim victory by insisting he was right all along with 100% vax despite the dangerous risks of (mRNA) jabs.
    SEE… the reason is purely to cover his rear-end and NOT because he CARES deeply for you lah. LOL.

    So, as long as those who never jab also stubbornly hold out, stay ALIVE and keep their “Clean Natural Blood” healthy ALL THE WAY until the end of the pandemic, then LHL will have NO WAY to make excuse that jab was necessary, yes? LOL. If there is no CONTROL group leeft, PAPies can claim WHATEVER they want and no one can rationally dispute their claims liao lor.

    So, all you need to do is STAY ALIVE AND with “Clean Natural Blood” until pandemic over. LHL will be Super MALU by your mere existence. LOL.

    If he come on stage to say we’ve killed the pandemic by getting 85% jabbed, then logic says then how come those 15% all also survived WITHOUT jab leh?
    Doesn’t it mean jabs was unnecessary? Then, he tongue-tied liao. LOL.

    So, that is why PAPies so DESPERATE to force 100% jab – just to cover their rear-ends.

    Tech: So far, all their (MTF) policies are highly INEFFECTIVE and super OXYMORONIC (if there is such a word). A trainee doctor in a small county in China would have done a better job. I am so ashame of their policies that whenever my doctor neighbors ask me about the situation in Sinkieland, I changed the subject. lol

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