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Workers can now be fired or hired based on vaccination status

I’d like to see this challenged in the courts, and see what the courts say.

What do you think of this?

 

 

Andrew Loh

 

Editor’s note: There is a planned Judicial Review challenge here.

 

 

 

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27 Responses to “Workers can now be fired or hired based on vaccination status”

  • Insane!:

    It’s Insane!
    Prediction had it that by December 2021, nations with high vaccination rate are going to receive nasty wake-up call. The predictors (not one) predicted the outbreak of covid before December 2019, the worsening of covid cases from September 2021 onward (predication was made in June 2021). Hope the MMTF will do the correct things then. It’s going to get worse before getting better.

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  • NotMyProblem:

    This only happens because the next General Election is still far away!

    When GE is nearer, PAP will start giving chicken wings or chicken rice out to the 61% and all will be forgotten!

    The fact is, employers were waiting for this opportunity to fire most of the employees, vaccinated or not, now is the best time, with the help of the PAP!

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  • Not entirely so...:

    The authorities have made concessions for unvaxxed to enter malls.

    -People who are unable to be vaccinated due medical reasons
    -People who need to access medical services
    -People who do not fall into the above can also access, with a negative ART result.

    The court will rule that unvaxxed CAN ENTER MALLS. and that the authorities have provided alternatives.

    Employers also have the right to terminate employees who are absent Not because they are unvaxxed. The employee can still enter the mall provided an ART was done with a negative result.

    Be succinct in crafting the challenge, otherwise it will be just media entertainment… at a very expensive price, borne by the litigants. Lawyers look at it as purely as money to be made. They are not moralists or charities.
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  • Let's Go Andrew:

    There’s a caravan here too.

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  • Fire:

    Sigh …..

    I always didn’t vote papPIGS .

    No comments .

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  • Realistically:

    @ Andrew Loh

    >>I’d like to see this challenged in the courts, and see what the courts say.<<

    Are YOU prepared to put your $ where your mouth is……..including helping to raise funds through crowd funding?

    I'd just make clear that in so far as being fired for not being vaxxed, I do not hv the locus standi…………but I CAN still apply for judicial review bases on my circumstances………even as the legal arguments are broadly the same as those affected people……….see my comments in the thread on Judicial review.

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  • What an opportunity to fire those who cannot come to work, since gahment says can I sure fire one, if me boss. Then I will claim cannot get local workers, so I import FTs.

    What do you think?

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  • Dont jump the gun:

    @ Prediction had it that by December 2021, nations with high vaccination rate are going to receive nasty wake-up call. The predictors (not one) predicted the outbreak of covid before December 2019, the worsening of covid cases from September 2021 onward (predication was made in June 2021). Hope the MMTF will do the correct things then. It’s going to get worse before getting better.

    Sorry.
    What prediction ?
    Who predicted ?

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  • NotMyProblem:

    TRE Techie:
    What an opportunity to fire those who cannot come to work, since gahment says can I sure fire one, if me boss. Then I will claim cannot get local workers, so I import FTs.

    What do you think?

    Of course that will be the case. The border is now open for that purpose too!

    Now bosses have another reason for not hiring locals. They are not vaccinated!

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  • opposition dude:

    Not surprised since this despicable government will stoop to anything to get its way. Reminds me of how they would repeatedly hit below the belt on the opposition at every election.

    And with the meek citizens around they will just suck it up since not many will be fired. Remember, 85% of the population are fully vaccinated hor.

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  • Harder Truths:

    TRE Techie:
    What an opportunity to fire those who cannot come to work, since gahment says can I sure fire one, if me boss. Then I will claim cannot get local workers, so I import FTs.

    What do you think?

    I have seen my multinational company taken over 95% by FT already. So that horse has been dead for a long time. And it is the same with those my friends are in too.

    The next wave of firing has started – when jobs are outsourced to India or China or elsewhere for remote work. This is already happening I know this for a fact. So instead of $G salary the company pays India/China salaries.

    The government is ok with this. Mostly I know jobs are going to India.

    What happens to those who are unemployed as a result? No idea, but then again – who cares right? Not $ingaporeans – even though it is a matter of time for them. (Learning Hindi is not going to help – sorry).

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  • oxygen:

    @ Dont jump the gun

    NO NEED FOR EXPERT PREDICTION or whoever, this is the reality staring in our face of all sovereign governments/jurisdiction – THE REPEATED RECURRENCE OF BREAKTHROUGH INFECTION is happening in underground gold mines (Pogo gold mine in Alaska) since 2020.

    Dont jump the gun: Sorry.
    What prediction ?
    Who predicted ?

    Don’t believe me? Here is the irrefutable evidence in public records of corporate announcement from Northern Star Resources (NST) in January 2021 (reporting on actual happening in the December qtr 2020).

    The relevant caption reads

    NST: Our team managed more than 100 cases of Covid during the quarter

    https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20210121/pdf/44rwpqvlkkyzkv.pdf

    Miners know of the futility of vaccines BEFORE ISRAEL AND LEE-jiapore rolled out the massive national vaccination out.

    NOW WHAT IS HAPPENING 9 MONTHS LATE? NST reported in its September quarterly report on 19 October 2021 worsening situation of mine infection.

    I shall document the relevant line/paragraph read for your illuminated read of reality happening.

    NST: over the quarter, Alaska seen an increase in Covid cases

    https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20211019/pdf/451sz0c1tlqmbk.pdf

    This has negative impact on NST Pogo gold mine operation. Pogo is hundred of kilometres away from Anchorage and civilisation yet it is worthy of risk mention in NST qtrly report to the Australian stock exchange.

    With opening up globally of economic, primary infection and breakthrough re-infection repeat cycles will, almost certainly visit the world.

    No need for expert prediction. Pogo gold mine in Alaska is canary in the coal mine and other big mining houses reported adversities unabated since its outbreak globally in early 2019.

    EVEN REMOTE ISOLATED UNDERGROUND MINING OPERATIONS ARE NOT SAFE, how about infection risks in densely populated setting, very high density human foot walk and sardine-like jam of mass transport network use?

    I certainly is convinced of an explosion of primary infection rates from within which will spawn a massive escalation of mortality rate to come – vaccined or unvaccinated be the case.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Dont jump the gun.

    COUNTRIES OR JURISDICTIONS looking for a breakthrough escape from Covid pandemic and a return to pre-pandemic economic ebullience ARE EITHER IN DENIAL OF REALITY OF ENDEMIC ESCALATION or deliberately risking lives betting against illusion of fantasy dreams of return to peaceful congenial good times at least, in their sleep.

    That the NST report to the Australian stock exchange singling out POGO gold mine operation in reference to Covid pandemic struggle (but conspicuously silent of the same negative pandemic impacts on all its other mine operations in Australia) tells a compelling story.

    The fight against pandemic spread is OVER in reality – it is living with endemic reality (the virus won the opening bout convincingly) – ALL POLITICAL COWS, BIG PHARMA and regulators COMPLETELY FIACK UP this crisis management. For the masses, it is betting lives every day going to work in office/production or service floor in return for a paycheck.

    For most would want to work from home FOR THE PURPOSE OF INFECTION RISKS MINIMISATION.

    Coercion via vaccine mandate will aggravate infection and mortality outcome and WILL END UP ANOTHER MONUMENTAL DISASTER worst than the “progression” from pandemic to endemic so far in many places in the world – RISING INFECTION/MORTALITY RATE AS VACCINATION SATURATION INTENSIFIED TO theoretical limit of 100% vaccinated.

    IT WON’T WORK of much hoped for outcome.

    IT IS GOING TO – IMHO – going to turn into aggravation risks of endemic unnecessarily OF ADVERSE OUTCOME yet unimaginable.

    Wait and see if this prediction of mine comes through.

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  • Temusik Patriot:

    A repeat of the Bastard’s Employment Act: the right to hire n fire Evil acts always repeat itself when an act of kindness us easily FORGOTTEN…”WE the people….” now recited perfunctorily NOT repeated

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  • WP Voter:

    SG is now a socialist country. Will the opposition stand up to this stupid vaccine mandate?

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  • Ayn Rand:

    “There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism – by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide.”

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  • Major S t r i k e:

    Nov 8 to 11 is a major s t r i k e in the US, timed just before Thanksgiving.

    They suggest worldwide that ppl should join them, and stick it to the DS.

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  • Fire:

    WP Voter:
    SG is now a socialist country. Will the opposition stand up to this stupid vaccine mandate?

    WP are not whiter than white .

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  • xoxo:

    Vaccination is just like buying a car accident insurance.
    It does not prevent even a boastful N reckless VOLVO-owner from getting into a fatal accident if he is not cautious.
    The discrimination by the gahmen against unvax sgs only leads to more careless attitude towards the necessary precaution that must be observed against Covid spread.

    The recent vaxxed fatal cases prove this point.

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  • Dont jump the gun:

    Once again ,

    Who predicted ?
    What predictions ?

    Just for knowing.

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  • Dont jump the gun:

    案例!疫情防控15种违法违规行为,最高或可判处死刑
    https://m.sohu.com/a/498612027_762408/?pvid=000115_3w_a

    You people prefer impose death sentences ( like China ) for covid measures , covid restrictions violators.

    Dont talk about 61%. Even majority of your 39% also cannot accept.

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  • Dr. Chan:

    USSR fell. But communism did not die. It is like a virus. It mutates into a different form then infiltrate and take over the country.
    Same here in the USA, happening right before our eyes.

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  • Right move:

    Unvaccinated should indeed be fired.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Don’t jump the gun

    BLATANT VIOLATORS RISK severe consequences in China but plenty, out of sheer desperation circumstances, will still try their luck. You block/apprehend them, it will help contain the virus spread.

    But vax choice is a different dimension – it is a forced no choice of life-death risks outcome. To compare the two is lazy of truth and irrelevant of desired outcome sought.

    Forced them to vax, virus pandemic still recycle among the vaccinated – just like those repeat cycles of “breakthrough” re-infection in POGO gold mine in Alaska after you temporary isolated infected cases and returning them back to the mine. It is the same found on warships!

    The known vaccines are all ineffective -rapid waning protection afforded and highly doubtful of future endless repeat of “booster” jabs. If two shots of primary jab has no efficacy of prevention or just protection, how could you or anyone believe in any advantage of subsequent booster – ALL UNTESTED OF CLINICAL DATA prior (because they are trying out the first time)?

    Miracles happens to all the vaxed?

    Fired the unvax or even exterminate them (like China you said) of violations, still get the virus still rampant BUT SHARED EXCLUSIVELY among the surviving vaxed through repeat cycles of “breakthrough” infections just like that happening to miners in remote isolated ALASKA and elsewhere?

    Even the polar bear in cold isolated terrain – immune to covid virus it seems till now – MUST BE LAUGHING AT HUMAN STUPIDITY.

    Dont jump the gun: 案例!疫情防控15种违法违规行为,最高或可判处死刑
    https://m.sohu.com/a/498612027_762408/?pvid=000115_3w_a

    You people prefer impose death sentences ( like China ) for covid measures , covid restrictions violators.

    Dont talk about 61%. Even majority of your 39% also cannot accept.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Right move

    SO YOU WANT TO RESERVE EXCLUSIVELY the virus among yourself sharing exclusively with other vaxed but contaminated.

    Remember the word “breakthrough” infection is invented by the vaxed cases, not the unvaccinated. To the latter, vaccine makes no difference of outcome except needless risks-taking of sudden collapse (even delayed adversities) from vaccination injury.

    Right move: Unvaccinated should indeed be fired.

    One thing is clear though, infection surged in UK, Israel, Alaska and LEE-jiapore as vaccination saturation hitting nearer and nearer to the roof of 100% theoretical ceiling, particularly the last two countries.

    Vaxed are SILENT superspreaders once they enjoyed “breakthrough” infection.

    HAPPY DAYS AHEAD SHARING THE VIRUS ONLY AMONG YOURSELVES – KNOWING THE USELESS VACCINE you have been jabbed with CARRYING THE RISKS YET INEXPLICABLE OF CARDIAC DAMAGE AND DIABETIC ONSET even for those discharged cases?

    It is not extremely clever hitting your head against the wall to find which is harder, I think.

    And remember this – opening up the border has big risks – entry protocols will be “gamed at” by sly foreigners using false vaccine certification- maybe paid for in kind like in China as pointed out above by @ Don’t jump the gun.

    Fire the unvax and opening the border now seems like closing on imagined (frightening unvax door) and opening 10 (vaxed but infected vaccination cheats from abroad) superspreaders being let in to share with the domestic “vaxed” superspreaders.

    HAPPY PARTYING, I wishes for all the vaxed domestic pets walking on twos and (unvaxed) foreigners who sneaked in.

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  • Relax:

    1) The new regulation shows assumption that unvaxxed are having “poor health condition that they cant perform their work and need re-arrangement or else terminate”.
    2) The hire or fire based on vaccination status is equivalent to based on health condition which is discrimination.
    3) Tuberculosis is transmissible too but workers are allowed to take medically leaves for treatment before returning to work, why covid cant?
    4) Comparing tuberculosis to covid, the TB vaccine also prove not effective but early treatment is important so will this apply to covid?
    5) To prevent contacting TB, MOH advised individuals to keep immune systems healthy by adopting healthy eating habits, exercising regularly and getting enough sleep, why covid cant?

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  • 5yr olds:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/cdc-advisers-to-discuss-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-for-young-children-11635845401

    We will soon follow this foreign country’s recommendation?
    No child shall be at school if not vaccinated?
    School has prerogative to deny child a seat in sch/class if not vaxxed?

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