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The Workers Party

Daniel Goh

A few people messaged me about the news of Prof Daniel Goh being called up by WP disciplinary committee for “interview”.

Apparently they are not happy about what is happening in WP, particularly the way the leadership is managing the party.

I have left WP more than 15 years ago, after having contributed to its revival through the rebranding exercise from 2001 to 2006 GE. I have no regret in leaving WP and that’s part of my history.

The fact that these few people who message me with regards to this happening but not putting up their views on social media, is already the sign of a totally muffled political party culture within WP. I have always said this is a culture which is more PAP than PAP.

The reasons stated by the disciplinary committee of calling Daniel Goh for interview is pretty laughable. Do the leaders of WP really think that PAP has no idea how its Parliamentary caucus works? Hey, they even know what documents Sylvia Lim brought with her to the meetings! It is kind of naive and daft to think PAP is that incompetence when it comes to intelligence gathering!

The most comical reasons given was what Daniel Goh has written on his FB has damaged WP leaders’ standing! No one should question their standing, their behavior, their doings and their management style!? They are some sort of supreme beings and they should always be praised, not questioned or made to look bad or stupid!

Ever since I have left WP, it has an unwritten rule WP members, especially cadre members and CEC members are basically banned from talking about politics, policies or party matters on social media. This is why you hardly see any known non-MP WP writing about politics or policies, lest party matters on social media. Daniel

Goh has breached that unwritten rule and that’s the reason he is called to be disciplined. Most probably he will be sacked as party member or removed from cadre membership or suspended as either one.

Of course, Daniel Goh has hinted that the leaders of WP are doing this because party elections (OPC) is just round the corner and what Daniel Goh has done or possibly do in the OPC, openly questioning the current leaders of their management of the saga, may undermine their chance of getting elected or reduce their votes. This is entirely possible and it is all written in the “reasons”. It is not about WP public standing but the credibility of the leaders has been undermined.

To put across an important point, I don’t really agree with Daniel Goh most of the time, especially on certain economic policies he has proposed in the past. But I respect him for providing an alternative views for public discourse and debate.

In fact, I don’t agree with his current view that PAP is not WP or any opposition’s “political opponent”. PAP is the biggest giant political opponent of all all opposition parties. Although they have smart people running the country for past decades but their direction and aspirations have changed which we oppose.

You can be friends with any PAP Ministers or members in private but when it comes to politics, they are your opponents, mistake it not.

Daniel Goh seems to be an idealist or even naive on the political front but he has all his right to freedom of expression. No one should be gagged if we want to work for a vibrant democracy.

Instead of using their powers in the party machinery, the leaders of WP should have stood up and rebuke him on his questions. Else, doesn’t that look exactly like PAP, using laws, administrative powers, POFMA, ISD and such to shut people up?

Ok, folks, for all your fear of speaking up publicly over this issue, I have done it for you. But don’t bother me again next time. You got to grow some guts to say out what’s in your mind. If not, how would voters expect you to speak up for them?

 

Goh Meng Seng

 

 

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47 Responses to “The Workers Party”

  • Good WP Policy:

    This is self-preservation in the dangerous environment. How come GMS is so ignorant, especially he claimed to be part of the rebranding?

    One mouth open, right or wrong, $millions gone.

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  • myfirstscrew:

    Dear Ah Goh,

    You dont believe infiltration of moles? Or turncoats?

    1. NSP was founded by you, and they now become a mole party just to appear before GE to take part to chope seats. You, Nicole and even Lim Tean were from there. It was your party isnt it, u just left? You did not explain why u left, any hidden truth we did not know about?

    2. Khan was obviously one, just that she hid well and then unleash damages, got away with a tiny fine. Remember her dad is multi millionaire and probably connected.

    3. Daniel promoted twice in 2021 and 2022, believe to be Asst Dean. Of course it was coincidence… nothing to do with his outbursts against…

    He is not idealistic, he is pure realist… He goes with direction of the wind. In the last GE or the previous GE after his good performance as NCMP, he suddenly decided to drop out from future elections, the sign already there, he already decided to switch allegiance. As a party member, not attending meeting, it is a clear sign. I did not know you are this naive to think he is naive.

    No wonder you till now have won nothing.

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  • BK:

    Politics is a business of knives. If honesty and purity is your thing, please join the temple, church….u may not even find it there.

    Of course, we want a transparent polity, but that does not mean, u just spill your guts all over the place. Any organization needs discipline. Otherwise be an independent.

    Leadership is never about being a Saint but straddles charm, guile, cerebral but with empathy; it shuttles between being a realist and an idealist.

    WP is the only proper party outside of PAP. PSP is new, SDP has good ppl but too idealistic.

    If u represent Spore, and u are idealistic, u think others wont take advantage of u? The only requirement is that u protect the interests of Sporeans.

    If voicing your honest opinion is the greatest gift u have, do a radio show. We need leaders who are tough, able to lead, cunning, intelligent, and most of all for the opposition at this point in time is to build a party that can compete.

    All your opinions are useless if u cannot compete at the national elections.

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  • Merobok:

    Questions need to be asked about the leadership in the WP. Is the decision to “Try” Daniel made by the Central Committee or only a few at the top? Is Pritam feeling threatened by Daniel to the extent that a Disciplinary inquiry is convened? Was Daniel’s decision not to contest the last GE because of Pritam’s high-handed attitude?
    Would Low Thia Kiang have encountered this problem and taken a different route to resolve the matter?
    Whatever it is, leadership is of importance in nurturing a political party that will have the total support of the party members including members of the central committee.
    It is time to ponder whether Pritam is the right choice made by Low and whether will he be able to harness the party to regain the present seats and even gain a few others such as East Coast or Marine Parade.

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  • watcher:

    GMS, You’re not suitable for politics…really not…

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  • xoxo:

    WP LEADERSHIP seems more and more like leaderSHIT!
    Do you see PAP people hastily screw their *MEMBER* for more obvious omissions/errors?
    Hell,no!
    Instead,they try to cover up by making light of the issues and even manufacture excuses.

    Anyway,WP has not been living up to itsco.mittment as FIRST WORLD PARLIAMENTARIANS.
    HOW TO EFFECT REAL CHANGE?
    And,what happen to Chen Show Mao .

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  • one careful coherent narrative:

    //Ever since I have left WP, it has an unwritten rule WP members, especially cadre members and CEC members are basically banned from talking about politics, policies or party matters on social media.//

    aiyoh ?? some people (or party ??) prefer to present one careful coherent narrative rather than different conflicting pictures by kaki-lang which are god-send fuel for your opponents to start a “fire-turning-into-a-inferno” ??

    if you are already busy running day-to-day issues with limited resources (unlike the humongous national resources some other party possesses ??), do you still want to spend time on “potential problems” needlessly created internally ??

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  • Daniel performed well as NCMP, suddenly he told WP he not standing for GE anymore, you don’t feel strange?

    Khan tried to bring down WP twice, first time Pritnam stood and he won empathy. Second time Khan did again and dragged whole team in… you know how quickly they went over her and gave her a small fine and focused all efforts on committee to grill the other members and quickly referred to SPF? You think this is naive also?

    Then he came our in public to question party and leaders.

    Then he promoted by NUS in 2021 and promoted again in 2022.

    You tell us he is naive?

    This is why you can’t win election, you are the naive one.

    Agree?

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  • Cancel the PAP:

    BK:
    Politics is a business of knives. If honesty and purity is your thing, please join the temple, church….u may not even find it there.

    Of course, we want a transparent polity, but that does not mean, u just spill your guts all over the place. Any organization needs discipline. Otherwise be an independent.

    Leadership is never about being a Saint but straddles charm, guile, cerebral but with empathy; it shuttles between being a realist and an idealist.

    WP is the only proper party outside of PAP. PSP is new, SDP has good ppl but too idealistic.

    If u represent Spore, and u are idealistic, u think others wont take advantage of u? The only requirement is that u protect the interests of Sporeans.

    If voicing your honest opinion is the greatest gift u have, do a radio show. We need leaders who are tough, able to lead, cunning, intelligent, and most of all for the opposition at this point in time is to build a party that can compete.

    All your opinions are useless if u cannot compete at the national elections.

    Done well. Agree.
    Who can say PAP is honest, upfront.
    In fact PAP is the most cunning of cunning of liars and showman.
    What PAP has never never show the entire SG public is their amassment of Oscar statuettes in their cabinets.

    In fact to be a politician IS NOT to be dirty, BUT PLAY DIRTY – it’s a matter of survival, I ‘kill’ you first before you hurt me.

    Look at how PAP assassinate their opponents character besides from using the Parliament Chambers as THEIR KILLING Field.

    And is the PAP honest – A DEADLY NO.

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  • Cancel the PAP:

    Sad. Daniel Goh don’t possess all the necessary skills to be a SG Politician. He perhaps, has destroyed the opposition, esp WP, when he think he’s wise and good (to do SGpns a favour).

    Eff you Daniel Goh. If u aren’t helping WP, least is DO NOT DAMAGE SGpns anti PAP hopes.

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  • C’est la vie:

    ******
    Infighting and instability within the opposition, … iz melodic music to the ears of the elite !!!

    Continue in this vein, … anz the cretinous cream of sg will regain much of their lost seats !!!

    We can then, all look forward to, … sweet fa !!!
    ***
    ******

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  • Givingpublicfundstoownpeople:

    Basically, this present WP leadersheep is a no go right from the start.

    I have been watching how things turn out for the past few years.

    My conclusion is that this WP is now a wash-out.

    We cannot keep voting for this leadersheep any more.

    It’s time to switch sides.

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  • JV:

    Goh Meng Seng is mistaken here primarily because he is jaded and mistook realistic idealism for his own jaded projections and bitterness. He is unconscious. What Daniel is doing is wise. He doesn`t wish to be thrown under the bus and let WP leaders make the decision how to reengage him and ot feed their insecurities at losing their top dollar MP jobs. He is seeking for reasons to be made public, but that is unncessary and unwise as PAPigs never does that.

    PAPigs want to control your facts. By controlling Sinkie`s facts and their hand on facts, they continue to control Sinkies` consciousness. Because changing the facts, changes Sinkies` consciousness and call to action.

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  • SINGAROAR:

    We only have the WP,PSP and SDP.We desperately need a change in govt. At this point any criticism of the Opposition is treason to the State and the suffering citizens.

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  • panyusg:

    PAP vs WP….I admire the PAP. There is a “glue” that keeps the leadership and top echelon together. Not even a pip-squeak of dissent though there are presumably factions within the PAP…as humans do not all think alike.

    There is a lot going on within the PAP to maintain solidarity. Singapore needs the PAP though there should be renewal of talent within the PAP.

    The WP needs a new leadership. Up to the rank and file to decide.

    May even be necessary for LTK to assume the leadership again. Does not need to be a MP to be the Chairman or Party Secretary.

    Jamus Lim has lots of potential.

    Singapore needs strong debaters in Parliament. We miss those good ole days of LKY vs JBJ.

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  • P Against People:

    Yes, yes.

    SINGAROAR:
    We only have the WP,PSP and SDP.We desperately need a change in govt. At this point any criticism of the Opposition is treason to the State and the suffering citizens.

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  • which side to switch:

    //I have been watching how things turn out for the past few years.

    My conclusion is that this WP is now a wash-out.//

    past few years hor, are things turning out any better in sinkie land for daft sinkies either becos of any of the parties ??

    //It’s time to switch sides.//

    wink wink, so which side are you suggesting while W/-P is already in parlimant ??? say which side to switch lar ?? any side ??

    orelse switch until not enough oppo (OR NO OPPO at all as the switching here-and-there cannot command enough votes ??) in parlimant liao so how ??

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  • container loads of superglue:

    //I admire the PAP. There is a “glue” that keeps the leadership and top echelon together.//

    aiyoh. with such plentiful NATIONAL resources (is it all about high $$$$$ compensation to prevent corruption hor ???), the white monkey idiots must be able to buy container loads of superglue to keep even the most of “fractious” echelon together against their opponents ???

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  • SchutzStaffel:

    Political discourse is about deception and salesmanship, not about policies and ideas. So get over it. It is one group of clever tricksters versus another. Add up the lies on one side. Add up the lies on the other side. Weigh their relative effectiveness and you have the winner!

    GMS no difference from TKL. Others told “me”? hahaha……

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  • Party Rules:

    Matters concerning the Party SHOULD NOT be voiced in PUBLIC. I am sure there are internal channels to voice such matters.

    Same like family matters, they should stay within the Family.

    The Discipline Committee can decide what it likes for its members……..every member has to adhere to the rules of the party.

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  • Singaporean R Free Rider:

    BK:
    Politics is a business of knives. If honesty and purity is your thing, please join the temple, church….u may not even find it there.

    Well said.

    “You don’t get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion.” ― L. Ron Hubbard

    Think Pastor Kong and Venerable Ming Yi.

    BK:
    Of course, we want a transparent polity, but that does not mean, u just spill your guts all over the place. Any organization needs discipline. Otherwise be an independent.

    Exactly… even your own house also got house rules

    BK:
    Leadership is never about being a Saint but straddles charm, guile, cerebral but with empathy; it shuttles between being a realist and an idealist.

    To be specific, it should be Political Leadership is never about being a Saint but straddles charm, guile, cerebral but with empathy…

    BK:
    WP is the only proper party outside of PAP. PSP is new, SDP has good ppl but too idealistic.

    If u represent Spore, and u are idealistic, u think others wont take advantage of u? The only requirement is that u protect the interests of Sporeans.

    Exactly…only stopid Zelensky place 101% tru$t in U$A and be used as canon fodders.

    Zelenksy’s wife: While you in the West are counting money, we in Ukraine are counting victims (dead)
    https://bit.ly/3TNmvbs

    America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests.
    — Henry Kissinger, 1923

    HK style Pro demoncracy idiots and rioters get this into your head.

    BK:
    If voicing your honest opinion is the greatest gift u have, do a radio show. We need leaders who are tough, able to lead, cunning, intelligent, and most of all for the opposition at this point in time is to build a party that can compete.

    All your opinions are useless if u cannot compete at the national elections.

    Exactly… but alas current batch of Oppie are weakling ..

    But,imho shrewd is better word than cunning.

    And I urge all sound and rationale minded Singaporeans to print/share BK post.

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  • opposition dude:

    Daniel isn’t the first nor the last to make statements about WP. There was one old ah chek who was sacked by the party when he self declared himself as a spare wheel for the Hougang by-election years ago when the party already decided to field someone else. Needless to say this did not go down well with the leaders.

    His defence was that he was with the party for a long time and his efforts weren’t appreciated or something like that. All parties have their own internal issues and even PSP has had people leaving after speaking up so let’s not expect any opposition party to just keep quiet and not do anything when something negative is raised about them eh?

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  • Zhenzidan:

    Ah Seng ah, next elections, I don’t expect you to win. Just win 30% votes, don’t kena thrashed enough already. Then come and talk.

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  • Harder Truths:

    After the 2011/2015 elections any talented opposition candidate realised it was foolish to risk their lives and that of their families to live as pariahs. Why should they represent voters who were going to stab them in the back?

    So these people became wise and said to $inkies ‘you want to die your business – I am not going to die for you’. $inkies only get what they deserve. Like the useless Pritam and his Clown Circus. Simpletons who call unvaxxed ‘self-centered’ and as just as corrupt as the ruling party.

    $inkies should just accept their fate.

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  • Larry:

    I have always supported and voted for the opposition, not because they are better but because the government needs to be checked and held accountable. I am not naive and I know if the opposition came in to power, they too would be like the PAP eventually. That’s human nature. But for the moment we need check and balance so support WP regardless.

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  • KT2:

    My thought is if u r a member of your political party, just observe the party’s in-house rules or regulations, and dun deviate outside. If u think u r not happy with party’s rules or practices, bring out during the party’s meetings. if after all this, u still feel or not satisfied with the answer, it is up to u whether to decide to resign. Just my opinions.

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  • Zhenzidan:

    KT2:
    My thought is if u r a member of your political party, just observe the party’s in-house rules or regulations, and dun deviate outside. If u think u r not happy with party’s rules or practices, bring out during the party’s meetings. if after all this, u still feel or not satisfied with the answer, it is up to u whether to decide to resign. Just my opinions.

    Problem with him, more than 15 years after leaving the party still bad-mouthing them. While his former party went on to win another GRC, this fellow still lurking nowhere, didn’t seem to know that voters hate him.

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  • Smart Nation:

    It is possible that one who is holding such a high position in a govt-controlled institution to still be a member of the Opposition Party, to go against the PAP and still keep their job? Just look at what happened to Dr. Chee SJ and Roy Ngerng to know the answer. Are there perhaps moles planted in the WP to discredit and bring the Party down?

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  • MarBowling:

    Smart Nation:
    September 8, 2022 at 11:37 pm (Quote)
    It is possible that one who is holding such a high position in a govt-controlled institution to still be a member of the Opposition Party, to go against the PAP and still keep their job? Just look at what happened to Dr. Chee SJ and Roy Ngerng to know the answer. Are there perhaps moles planted in the WP to discredit and bring the Party down?

    Response: Hopefully, this Joker is NOT a Black Widow Spider Mole or a Triple-Headed Snake!

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  • different from the present:

    //It is possible that one who is holding such a high position in a govt-controlled institution to still be a member of the Opposition Party, to go against the PAP and still keep their job? Just look at what happened to Dr. Chee SJ and Roy Ngerng to know the answer.//

    the era of ah kong is different from the present ?? Chee and JBJ plus many others “opened” the path paying a heavy price in a non-social-media period where they could be painted (by highly ranked 169th media environment ??) like pariahs to be avoided at all cost ??

    when ah kong started to deal with anyone, that means the latter is someone worth ah kong’s time to deal with ??

    when you are in the service (e.g academics ??) of the land especially in sinkie land, then you will be weighed down by considerations of your rice bowl whether one likes it or not WHEN sad to say many institutions “are not so independent” as they are supposed to be ??

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  • SINGAROAR:

    We should vote for the party that represents our interest in Parliament.At present it is only the Opposition. We are paying $16,000/- to all the other PAP MPs to do town council work. No PAP MP will stand with us against the GST increase or the Medisheild which is now proving to be a tax disguised as health insurance. If it is indeed an insurance then it cannot be mandatory as for non payment, you will not be insured for the period and it ends there. IRAS will not be involved. We need the Opposition to check on the reserves, GICs and Temasek. These are far more important than to be drawn into GMS version of the WP or the relationship between DG and WP. These are distractions that are intentionally put out by the PAP team to discredit the Opposition. This could be the reason GMS never gets elected.

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  • Sinkies were holding out for a hero or another LKY, but it never came. It so happens that the PAP B Team was in the vicinity, so they dumb dumb settled for whatever was within reach.

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  • Touche':

    Commie GMS love the CCP who will crown their Emperor-Forever Winnie Xi in Oct.
    He will rule longer than Queen Liz who has just pass on.
    That will make Commie GMS and Commie Comrade TKL happy.
    That is if Commie CCP China does not implode because of stupidity —as in lockdown forever policy.

    watcher:
    GMS, You’re not suitable for politics…really not…

    Tech: Just because you love getting vaxed and living with the virus, so those who choose not to are “stupid”?

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  • Western Sheep:

    Haha, another expert with zero knowledge.

    Touche':
    Commie GMS love the CCP who will crown their Emperor-Forever Winnie Xi in Oct.
    He will rule longer than Queen Liz who has just pass on.
    That will make Commie GMS and Commie Comrade TKL happy.
    That is if Commie CCP China does not implode because of stupidity —as in lockdown forever policy.

    Tech: Just because you love getting vaxed and living with the virus, so those who choose not to are “stupid”?

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  • @Western Sheep

    For someone (Touche) who strikes me as clueless and with little knowledge of China making such bold statement, probably came from THE lousy school which taught only 10-year-series?

    That’s what I call making love out of nothing at all. lol

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  • idontbelieveinccpbs:

    https://sg.news.yahoo.com/imprisonment-chinese-citizens-rampant-under-005234252.html?fbclid=IwAR2NWS1xtF0R9N6U_oMaXW7hVWbYivUp6-9mySMyxggpN2aYctDJyuMDjqk

    CCP lover always avoided the criticisms of CCP, even presented to them. Critics are jailed or being forcefully imprisonment in their own homes. Human rights lawyer fighting for their clients suffer the same fate. Under Xi, he had gone back from opening up to closing up and tighten grip on internal and security. Deng had decided 2 term limit to avoid nepotism, Xi has changed that. Xi has not really contributed to the growth of China, he however had claimed credit with his wolf warrior tactics and diplomacy, won admirers like GMS, TKL and TR Tech. When Jiang and Hu were in power, we dont see these admirers at all, you should know why Xi is admired. Those who worked on the prosperity and economy were not as prominent than Xi who went around bossing and intimidating and created West as enemy of its growth.

    Do we want to live in an autocracy where freedom and justice are suppressed by the leader and his party in power? Really?

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  • Singaporean R Free Rider:

    idontbelieveinccpbs:
    https://sg.news.yahoo.com/imprisonment-chinese-citizens-rampant-under-005234252.html?fbclid=IwAR2NWS1xtF0R9N6U_oMaXW7hVWbYivUp6-9mySMyxggpN2aYctDJyuMDjqk

    CCP lover always avoided the criticisms of CCP, even presented to them. Critics are jailed or being forcefully imprisonment in their own homes. Human rights lawyer fighting for their clients suffer the same fate. Under Xi, he had gone back from opening up to closing up and tighten grip on internal and security. Deng had decided 2 term limit to avoid nepotism, Xi has changed that. Xi has not really contributed to the growth of China, he however had claimed credit with his wolf warrior tactics and diplomacy, won admirers like GMS, TKL and TR Tech. When Jiang and Hu were in power, we dont see these admirers at all, you should know why Xi is admired. Those who worked on the prosperity and economy were not as prominent than Xi who went around bossing and intimidating and created West as enemy of its growth.

    Do we want to live in an autocracy where freedom and justice are suppressed by the leader and his party in power? Really?

    You are stopid to tru$t Americunts.

    We don’t tru$t the Chinese and neither do we tru$t the Americunts.

    Former Senior US Official John Bolton Admits to Planning Attempted Foreign Coups
    https://www.voanews.com/a/former-senior-us-official-john-bolton-admits-to-planning-attempted-foreign-coups-/6657173.html

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/former-senior-us-official-john-bolton-admits-planning-attempted-foreign-coups-2022-07-12/

    This is why our great founding PM LKY We have to hope that peace and stability can be maintained without one dominant power, ….

    https://www.csmonitor.com/1993/1117/17151.html

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    Instead of looking at the internal and personal issues of WP, everyone should take a step back and look at the overall political situation in SG:

    1) WP is currently the main and biggest and most successful opposition party in SG. Without going into nicky-picky details, it must be doing something that voters are looking for.

    2) Considering the political constraints and atmosphere created by the pap over 50+ years, it is remarkable that any opposition party can snatch 2 GRC under the tiger’s nose … well more like million$ pigs thinking they are still tigers.

    3) Just before GE2020, many nay-sayers said WP will even lose their sole Aljunied GRC. Well history has proven these nay-sayers are idiots (or likely pappies balls carriers); certainly they are very quiet now.

    4) The past 3-4 elections under the Golden Prince era had produced the 3 WORST vote count for pap. That must say something about the leadership. Remember any incumbent has much access to using national and/or governmental resources.

    5) If more and more voters are turning towards opposition parties that are deemed “lousy”, then the current pap must be even more lousy for voters to want to switch camps.

    6) No opposition players has been publicly called a Dishonorable Son by their own families members.

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  • Foreigners everywhere:

    https://fb.watch/fsakor1Axh/

    Hi CCP Lovers,

    Pls watch this successful lock down video that China has so well in dealing with pandemic.

    Tech: China is a very HUGE country with 1.4 billion people. A few incidents you make an essay out of it, so Sinkieland is sibei tokong, the police don’t have those clueless one issit? Such incidents do happen and the lower rank police are normally powerless to do anything, however, there will ALWAYS be a higher rank officer from the health authorities that will take care of such incidents and resolve it. Want to highlight and argue, please find something more concrete, just because a few fishes died in a huge pond, the pond is bad? You have to try harder to convince us, especially those who have been in a lockdown, among which I went through 4 months without any of such incidents.

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  • idontbelieveinccpbs:

    Tech: China is a very HUGE country with 1.4 billion people. A few incidents you make an essay out of it, so Sinkieland is sibei tokong, the police don’t have those clueless one issit? Such incidents do happen and the lower rank police are normally powerless to do anything, however, there will ALWAYS be a higher rank officer from the health authorities that will take care of such incidents and resolve it. Want to highlight and argue, please find something more concrete, just because a few fishes died in a huge pond, the pond is bad? You have to try harder to convince us, especially those who have been in a lockdown, among which I went through 4 months without any of such incidents.

    —————-You really CCP lover———————-

    Its NOT A FEW, there are massive incidents in Shanghai and many other areas including Beijing, the news is suppressed. If you are these people, what will you feel? You ok with the police abusing authority just because you complain? This is what autocracy is all about.

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  • @idontbelieveinccpbs

    You claimed that there are massive such incidents and the news are suppressed, then how, pray tell, do you know about it since the incidents are supposedly suppressed, from hearsay or you thought? Do you know that FOR TikTok and WeChat the uploads are instant and immediately accessible, what freaking suppressed are you talking about?

    Just for your info, the police are the most powerless in a lockdown, incapable of doing anything except keep peace and prevent anyone from leaving or entering. The police in the video are there for only ONE reason, to keep peace and nothing else. They are mostly ikan bilis, junior fresh grads or orang lama and unable to make any decision on their own except to take orders, i.e. to maintain peace. Once in a while, some such officials will go out of their way to help, like say buy some food or medicine for those under lockdown from a nearby store, but these officials are rare and most of the time, they are the same as Sinkie’s police, with a you-die-your-business attitude. Although it is the same police, but by calling 110 (police hotline, headed by senior police officer) higher chance will get things done instead of talking to the officer at the scene, who are powerless to make any important decision on their own.

    The health authorities (C19 task force) have higher authority (and the final say) when it comes to a lockdown and the crowd in the video simply was barking up the wrong tree. There are plenty of proper avenues to air their issues, they were simply too ignorant or the area community services weren’t doing their job of properly implementing the various measures stipulated for a lockdown, ensuring MANDATORY and easy access to food and medicine. IMHO, the crowd in the video was simply venting their pent-up emotions and that low-rank arrogant SOB police officer was trying to be funny, picking on trivialities, making the situation worst. That police should have just gotten a volunteer from the local community service to tend to the crowd and the matter would have been settled since that is what they are there for.

    From my understanding from city and community officials, before any lockdown is implemented, it is REQUIRED that the community services (社区) in charge of that area contact and collate a list of suppliers, shops and pharmas and then print and literally plaster the list in the estate that is going to be on lockdown, a wechat group will also be set up for the affected residents. The community service will then be REQUIRED to be the point of contact between the estate that is being locked down, tending to the affected resident’s various needs. Even for villages, community service officials and volunteers are sent to be stationed near the village to effect the necessary.

    There is also a city hotline 12345 (headed by a deputy mayor) that is 24/7, so it is practically impossible for any estate on lockdown to go without food or medicine, UNLESS the community services were not doing their job, and there is still 120 (medical services). In all fairness, China is a HUGE country and there will always be over-zealous and clueless officials who mess things up, it’s human nature, but eventually, the wrongs would be corrected.

    AGAIN, such incidents do happen and many heads have been axed due to their mishandling of such issues, it is widely reported in the news, it is not like you alleged, widespread incidents but suppressed. From what I know, the highest officials to be axed due to C19 mismanagement was a provincial governor and CONs like Ong and Mak would not survive 24 hours in China with their pathetic handling of the C19, without being axed.

    Anyway, for someone who probably enjoys the hoodwinking from clueless and incompetent health officials that risk the populace’s health by implementing good-to-see policies, who never been in a lockdown, how qualified are you to judge and comment on the intricacies and procedures involved in a lockdown?

    If you really want to know what is happening in China as far as the C19 policies are concerned, I suggest you go grab mobile apps that can access CCTV-13 and/or Baidu more often, unless you are one of those who will just bash anything China and praise anything Sinkieland. Then this discussion is useless and a waste of time.

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  • Western Sheep:

    It’s a waste of time to discuss China/US issues with people who have never heard of the atomic bombs, Korean War, Vietnam War, etc.

    It’s like hitting an empty vessel. Loud noises, but nothing meaningful.

    Tech: Yes, I would agree with you. But then, my reply wasn’t exactly directed at that person, I was actually intending for those who really want the truth and are willing to learn to know the facts as I see it. I do not profess to be an authority on China, but the fact that me being there for over a decade and having done that, puts me in a better position to share and correct any misunderstanding of the ever changing policies currently in place.

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  • MarBowling:

    TRE Tech:
    September 11, 2022 at 7:04 am (Quote)
    @idontbelieveinccpbs

    You claimed that there are massive such incidents and the news are suppressed, then how, pray tell, do you know about it since the incidents are supposedly suppressed, from hearsay or you thought? Do you know that FOR TikTok and WeChat the uploads are instant and immediately accessible, what freaking suppressed are you talking about?

    Response: IT’S NOT EASY AS ABC TO DEAL with a so-called Engineered GLOBAL Pandemic that is ongoing for more than 2 years and given the fact that China has a huge 1.4 billion population! Importantly, based on their Zero-COVID Policy, the numbers of daily cases are MANAGEABLE, though the RELENTLESS and PUSH FOR TESTING and MORE TESTING(all logistics, manpower, equipment, etc are from China)have HIT the NERVE of some folks especially that Maroon Shirt Big Size Guy in the video! Generally, most folks UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO UNDERGO TESTING. Those tested negative are allowed to resume their normal daily life. Btw, there seem to be NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS OF THE PANDEMIC SITUATION IN USA AND EU! NO MORE LIKE THE 1 MILLION CASES IN A SINGLE DAY THAT HAPPENED IN USA! Holee smoke!

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  • @MarBowling

    If I may, allow me to quote from a very senior CCP official during the initial C19 pandemic in Wuhan:

    国家可以把家底都拿出来, 前提是必须把人民放在第一位 (something to that effect, can’t remember the exact words she used).

    And China has kept to that promise and is doing exactly that, sparing no efforts in ensuring that its people are free from C19, spending billions in the process.

    Back then, I, like many foreigners and locals included were skeptical about that statement, but we were glad that we were proven wrong, time again and again when the various waves start hitting.

    That is how China treats its populace, putting their welfare way high at the top.

    So for those who think that having incidents where those being locked down are mistreated and starved by clueless and irresponsible officials are common occurrences and no big deal, they cannot be more wrong.

    It is a bloody big deal and the widely covered incident in ShenZhen during a lockdown of a county where food and medication were not arriving and the residents making a huge fuss online that almost escalated to a riot, a number of top city (deputy mayor) and county (county chief) officials were axed, as a result of that incident.

    In Sinkieland, all these officials would have been well protected by the party, but certainly not in China.

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  • idontbelieveinccpbs:

    We cannot argue with CCP lovers, they quote CCP senior officials and tell us it must be true.

    If China is so freaking good, why rich HK and PRC are running away? Migrate out of China.

    If pandemic is so well control, why the citizens are screaming economy is very bad?

    Everything you show them, they tell you its isolated. LOL
    Knn.. i believe if you show them the recordings from PRC citizens, they will say its minority.

    You cant debate with these lovers, they are so one sided. And of course, everything they blame West or US. LOL

    Tech: Actually, most CCP lovers don’t blame the west or US, they pin the blame squarely on ignorant fools like yourself, comparing orange with apples. So may I ask, is Sinkieland doing better than China?

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  • WP:

    WP too free.
    Better to do more for the people ,especially in Parliament.
    The high COL is killing many here…

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  • SINGAROAR:

    @WP
    There are 83 PAP MPs who could do much more for Singaporeans.Why don’t you complain about them? Why always pick on the Opposition?

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