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China’s infrastructure projects

My friend said.

Western media talks about big infrastructure projects built by China that incurred losses.

The media exaggerates and smears China. They did not cover the profitable projects but only bring up the unprofitable ones.

China has a long term goal. The infrastructure project may not make a profit in the initial years, but they will become profitable many years down the road.

The western nations incur large deficits by printing money to give to the people to spend.

The money that China spends on infrastructure projects in China and Belt and Road countries are productive and will be profitable in the future.

 

Tan Kin Lian

 

 

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  • opposition dude:

    Aiyah China makes or loses money is their pasar lah, let them do what they want. Their country, their problems.

    Old people sure do have too much time on their hands to be posting online their innane thoughts.

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  • TKL Boh Tio:

    “The western nations incur large deficits by printing money to give to the people to spend.”

    Western nations so good? You are far exaggerating on this lah.

    You turn out to be an secret angmo lover.

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  • xoxo:

    Angmohs not happy China is about to leapfrog over them.
    Angmohs dont want to talk about their own inherent weaknesses.
    What about their irrational stock markets.
    Their BIT-COIN?
    So,their high debt is no issue too?

    Angmohs must be $upreme?

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  • Harder Truths:

    This guy still around? I thought the Hungry Ghosts finally got him. Damn.

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  • I_am_Mike:

    Tan Kin Lian:
    but they will become profitable many years down the road.

    Lol lol lol…

    What can i say… kick the can down the road lor… given time it will become antique!

    The beijing palace is a good example, if there is no civil war to destroy it… lol…

    I heard some small scale fighting already started, despite ammunition is being controlled strictly and separately from weapons.

    There is also predictions that CCP will resolved like USSR, by 2023, if not a civil war breakout. If really happens, i will laugh until my stomach clamp again.

    What china need is to have every province declare independent. Like that, good for tourism!

    天下大‘势’,喝酒必汾!

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  • idontbelieveinccpbs:

    China is building belt road in order to link up allies and create another path to prosperity. However, most of those countries are poor, China is lending them money to help build, of course why would they mind?

    You were a CEO but you talk like a bird. How would know if it is profitable later? LOL Did you base it on your CEO’s dream?

    Many countries do owe China money, so how if they collapse, what will happen to the belt projects?
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/katharinabuchholz/2022/08/19/the-countries-most-in-debt-to-china-infographic/?sh=75a7e2b461d8

    China debt is also very high.
    https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/china-us-lead-rise-global-debt-record-high-305-trillion-iif-2022-05-18/

    You as a former CEO is writing article without and supporting evidence. No wonder they did not want you to continue.

    And lastly, if you love China so much, why you and family still here? Its time to migrate to China to enjoy.

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  • BK:

    Lol. Look at his so called articles. Devoid of arguments, no data, links or any serious dialectics.

    Same liked the stupid Chinese chauvinists, just pandering to the CCP. Always simpleton vomit of Western propaganda, is laughable, but that is the limit of these ppl.

    U compare KJ intellect to TKL and GMS, KJ makes an effort on data, logic, coherence of his articles, whether u agree with him or not, he provides a perspective to enrich the discussion.

    Personally, until Xi moved into South China Sea, I have my reservations but not commented about China. But I view that as a serious threat to Spore and Asean.

    For Sporeans, is not the color of your skin. It is about Singaporeans future. It is not West vs China/Russia, it is the alignment that best helps Spore.

    And we maybe neutral but never be neutered, it dosent mean not giving in when our choices are bare, but always position ourselves whether to West or China/Russia to have as much room to manoeuvre as possible.

    TKL and GMS are pushing for China agenda. What I want to know, how is that best for Spore.

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  • Western Sheep:

    Many retirees lost their coffin money holding bonds from Hyflux. They blamed Hyflux for their lost.

    Many commentators would have a different narrative. They would blame the retirees for creating a debt trap for Hyflux. With the high interest rate, Hyflux could not service the debt. The retirees were responsible for the collapse of Hyflux. Don’t blame our great PAP!

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  • Shaun:

    Yes, agreed. China government looks long term when come to building infrastructure. Now there is a big challenge. No more infrastructure projects (including property) to invest and trillion of dollars are looking for a new sector to put the money. Covid19 restriction dampens the mood and investment outlook is negative. Many local governments are chasing for innovative technologies in new energy, carbon reduction technology, smart AI,etc. They are willingly to invest but there is simply not enough technology(project) to invest.

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  • Cancel the PAP:

    Tan KL is IRRELEVANT in this age. Hope God quickly retrieve him asap away for his own good or else he ll continuously reduce more people’s BPs, and drive more sane beings into their graves sooner.

    For eff sake – get lost from my face.

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  • ah seng:

    Western Sheep:
    September 11, 2022 at 9:52 am (Quote)
    Many retirees lost their coffin money holding bonds from Hyflux. They blamed Hyflux for their lost.
    Many commentators would have a different narrative. They would blame the retirees for creating a debt trap for Hyflux. With the high interest rate, Hyflux could not service the debt. The retirees were responsible for the collapse of Hyflux. Don’t blame our great PAP!
    —————Words from the clown———————–
    Stupidity has no cure.

    1. If Hyflux is making money, why need to blame Hyflux? Isnt it logic?
    2. Cannot serve interest is investor issue?
    3. Dont blame white party, blame who? Temasick invested in this money losing company and many people are lovers of white party and believe it will make money like SIA.

    Either your IQ is very low… or you are really dumb axx.

    1. Never buy into any company invested by Temasick, mostly losses, including Hyflux, Olam, SEA and Grab.

    2. When Hyflux was losing so much, Mdm’s BFF was still collecting millions in pay and bonuses. Yeah ex Malaysian helping another sister.

    We are not going to read the dumb arguments from Western Sheep…

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  • Western Sheep:

    Obviously, you have comprehension problem.

    ah seng:
    Western Sheep:
    September 11, 2022 at 9:52 am (Quote)
    Many retirees lost their coffin money holding bonds from Hyflux. They blamed Hyflux for their lost.
    Many commentators would have a different narrative. They would blame the retirees for creating a debt trap for Hyflux. With the high interest rate, Hyflux could not service the debt. The retirees were responsible for the collapse of Hyflux. Don’t blame our great PAP!
    —————Words from the clown———————–
    Stupidity has no cure.

    1. If Hyflux is making money, why need to blame Hyflux? Isnt it logic?
    2. Cannot serve interest is investor issue?
    3. Dont blame white party, blame who? Temasick invested in this money losing company and many people are lovers of white party and believe it will make money like SIA.

    Either your IQ is very low… or you are really dumb axx.

    1. Never buy into any company invested by Temasick, mostly losses, including Hyflux, Olam, SEA and Grab.

    2. When Hyflux was losing so much, Mdm’s BFF was still collecting millions in pay and bonuses. Yeah ex Malaysian helping another sister.

    We are not going to read the dumb arguments from Western Sheep…

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    BK:
    Lol. Look at his so called articles. Devoid of arguments, no data, links or any serious dialectics.

    Same liked the stupid Chinese chauvinists, just pandering to the CCP. Always simpleton vomit of Western propaganda, is laughable, but that is the limit of these ppl.

    U compare KJ intellect to TKL and GMS, KJ makes an effort on data, logic, coherence of his articles, whether u agree with him or not, he provides a perspective to enrich the discussion.

    Personally, until Xi moved into South China Sea, I have my reservations but not commented about China. But I view that as a serious threat to Spore and Asean.

    Well said…though KJ data is boring for outsider like me, at least he provide data to backup his case.

    BK:
    For Sporeans, is not the color of your skin. It is about Singaporeans future. It is not West vs China/Russia, it is the alignment that best helps Spore.

    And we maybe neutral but never be neutered, it dosent mean not giving in when our choices are bare, but always position ourselves whether to West or China/Russia to have as much room to manoeuvre as possible.

    Well said.. we Singaporeans must not be like Zelensky..be used as canon fodders.

    Like LKY said, We have to hope that peace and stability can be maintained without one dominant power, a continuing US involvement.
    https://www.csmonitor.com/1993/1117/17151.html

    BK:
    TKL and GMS are pushing for China agenda. What I want to know, how is that best for Spore.

    TKL and GMS must be locked up for pushing for China agenda.

    I had been labelling both of them Chinese Chauvinist Pig for the longest time but none of them rejected such label.

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  • Blur King:

    What is the Blur King up to? Finally, honestly calls himself “laughable, simpleton vomit of Western propaganda.”

    He needs medicine fast before the next comment.

    BK: Lol. Look at his so called articles. Devoid of arguments, no data, links or any serious dialectics.

    Same liked the stupid Chinese chauvinists, just pandering to the CCP. Always simpleton vomit of Western propaganda, is laughable, but that is the limit of these ppl.

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  • idontbelieveinccpbs:

    There are a number of si beh pro CCP lovers:

    GMS, TKL, TR Tech and Western sheep.

    Whatever evidence you show them, they will ignore.

    They keep telling you China good this and good that and then often quote from air or CCP officials.

    Difficult to debate with these people.

    Tech: Don’t jump the gun in handing out labels. Just because I am for good China policies does not mean I am pro CCP. I also like the justice system in US and I have said that many times, so does that make me peo US too? I am surprised that you cannot even tell the difference between a BLIND die-hard supporter of the party and someone who simply is for good policies, you being the former of course.

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  • k:

    TKL and GMS must be locked up for pushing for China agenda.

    I had been labelling both of them Chinese Chauvinist Pig for the longest time but none of them rejected such label.

    Me pro-China? I accept the label, says ex-foreign minister George Yeo as he weighs in on Sino-US tensions.

    So, is George Yeo Chinese Chauvinist Pig and should be locked up also?

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  • k:

    Blur King also said this,

    ‘And we maybe neutral but never be neutered, it dosent mean not giving in when our choices are bare, but always position ourselves whether to West or China/Russia to have as much room to manoeuvre as possible.’

    We are neutral and not neutered? The moment we allowed Americans to use our military bases for their provocative activities and behaviour in South China Sea and the Asean region, we are NOT neutral but NEUTERED.

    Oh yes, he admitted that we ‘position ourselves…to West’ meaning we ganged up with the West, but to have as much room to manoevre as possible or to limit our choices, now fully in the camp, be with us or against us?

    Can understand this, Blur King?

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  • Western Sheep:

    By your own written admission, you know nothing of US wars in Asia since WW1. You say no one in Asia is killed by US since WW1.

    This level of ignorance disqualifies you from any debate about China/US/Asia.

    idontbelieveinccpbs:
    There are a number of si beh pro CCP lovers:

    GMS, TKL, TR Tech and Western sheep.

    Whatever evidence you show them, they will ignore.

    They keep telling you China good this and good that and then often quote from air or CCP officials.

    Difficult to debate with these people.

    Tech: Don’t jump the gun in handing out labels. Just because I am for good China policies does not mean I am pro CCP. I also like the justice system in US and I have said that many times, so does that make me peo US too? I am surprised that you cannot even tell the difference between a BLIND die-hard supporter of the party and someone who simply is for good policies, you being the former of course.

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  • BK:

    Lol. U trying to have a brain? Dont worry about it. Keep to your No US Apollo landing and intl courts have settled Taiwan.

    Sotong, sotong (:

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  • Foreigners everywhere:

    CCP lovers love Russia too and everything they also blame NATO.

    FYI Crimea was annexed way before this war showed Putin ambition to retake old Soviet Union states.

    CCP loveRS praised China and Russia military and advanced tech to the sky. Today Ukraine showed all these bs about Russia bs.

    AWAIting China to invade Taiwan and show us its no bs like Russia.

    Always talk big.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    k: Me pro-China? I accept the label, says ex-foreign minister George Yeo as he weighs in on Sino-US tensions.

    So, is George Yeo Chinese Chauvinist Pig and should be locked up also?

    Are you TKL or GMS ?

    Question to you:

    1. Does GY always push for China agenda ?
    2. Does GY praise China day in and day out like you ?

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  • Real democracy:

    All the white lovers, your Queen died. Aren’t you people going to mourn for the loss of such a great Queen? How many are going to London to pay the last respect?

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Like LKY said, We have to hope that peace and stability can be maintained without one dominant power, a continuing US involvement.

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    Like BK said: Politics is a business of knives. Anyone here don’t agree ?

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Real democracy:
    All the white lovers, your Queen died. Aren’t you people going to mourn for the loss of such a great Queen? How many are going to London to pay the last respect?

    I said this:

    The British Monarchy Should Die With the Queen
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-british-monarchy-should-die-with-queen-elizabeth-ii

    Yes, The British Monarchy Should Die With the Queen and, return all stolen treasure back to the coloized countries.

    Thou Shall Not Steal….

    Come on, all church and christians, will you uphold this or pretend that stealing never happen ?

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  • idontbelieveinccpbs:

    Typical die hard CCP fans would either praise or defend China and Russia.

    For the British Queen, we have to be fair. She was the symbol for many things and many people do admire her. She died, its a loss to mankind for sure that she has set many good examples.

    So you mean China lovers should moan if Xi or Putin dies? Both are dictators pushing war agenda, intimidating and aggression.

    So we should worship Xi and Putin instead??? LOL

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  • BK:

    Waulau, sibeh stupid. Pro china means Chinese chauvinist? @Tech is pro china but he is not a chinese chauvinist. Still wearing your pig tail huh? Lol. Maybe still mouse tail.

    Im in good or maybe hoot mood. Some fun n frames (:

    1. Whats negation of a negation in the incomprehension of pro vs chavinist? Smart vs stupid; and in that negation u are stupid.

    2. Whats the dialectic of pro vs chauvinist? Pro is vanila sex, chauvinist is liked pedo. So u say, need locked up or not?

    3. Whats normative of pro vs chauvinist? Pro China liked @Tech will call Chinese chauvinist that lied about US Apollo Landing an idiot.

    But Im neutral, so I called u Eunuch….(:

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  • Western Sheep:

    Your comments show your total ignorance about Asia. You are also totally ignorant about Africa. Do you even know about slavery from Africa to other countries, or about massacres in Africa? Or about massacres within the UK?

    Genocides happened in countries with her as the Queen. She cannot get the glories and forget about the horrors.

    Despite your total ignorance, you still dare to offer your “expert” opinion about the Queen.

    idontbelieveinccpbs: Other than US wars in Middle East and some part of Europe, since WW1, did any country in Asia suffer from US’s supremacy?

    idontbelieveinccpbs:
    Typical die hard CCP fans would either praise or defend China and Russia.

    For the British Queen, we have to be fair. She was the symbol for many things and many people do admire her. She died, its a loss to mankind for sure that she has set many good examples.

    So you mean China lovers should moan if Xi or Putin dies? Both are dictators pushing war agenda, intimidating and aggression.

    So we should worship Xi and Putin instead??? LOL

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  • P Against People:

    Nobody praise something like you, not only day in and day out, even 996.

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: Are you TKL or GMS ?

    Question to you:

    1. Does GY always push for China agenda ?
    2. Does GY praise China day in and day out like you ?

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    idontbelieveinccpbs: She died, its a loss to mankind for sure that she has set many good examples.

    Yes many good examples like stealing treasure from colonized countries and proudly wear it on her crown.

    Just like China, black money or white money, as long as it makes money it is good money…

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  • China very good:

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZWojnbHSwN0

    Chinese professor describes western propaganda. Western sheep have big meals.

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  • myfirstscrew:

    https://sg.yahoo.com/news/chinese-censors-try-bury-complaints-120045444.html

    Alisha Rahaman Sarkar
    Mon, 12 September 2022 at 8:40 pm

    Chinese censors have been ordered to flood social media with positive posts about the northwestern region of Xinjiang in an effort to muffle the barrage of complaints of food shortages in the region.

    Millions of people in at least 30 regions of mainland China have been placed under a full or partial lockdown under the communist government’s “zero Covid” policy, which aims to stub the coronavirus at every flare-up.

    The Ili Kazakh (also known as Yili) autonomous prefecture, home to nearly 4.5 million people, was reportedly put under a lockdown in early August without any official announcement.

    The prolonged lockdown has left locals short of food and medicines, forcing them to share their grievances on Chinese social media site Weibo.

    To drown out the complaints, censors were told to “open a campaign of comment flooding”, according to a leaked directive published by the China Digital Times.

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  • knnn:

    Western Sheep:
    September 12, 2022 at 9:15 pm (Quote)
    Your comments show your total ignorance about Asia. You are also totally ignorant about Africa. Do you even know about slavery from Africa to other countries, or about massacres in Africa? Or about massacres within the UK?
    Genocides happened in countries with her as the Queen. She cannot get the glories and forget about the horrors.
    Despite your total ignorance, you still dare to offer your “expert” opinion about the Queen.
    —– what the clown said about his own expert opinions———————–

    They accuse the Queen of all the crimes or whatever…. but in reality the Sovereign no longer has a political or executive role.

    Both Western Sheep and Free Rider are really clowns… they spew nonsense and accuse.

    We cannot win argument with clowns who have no logic or facts, they just pluck from the sky and their own version of the truth.

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  • I_am_Mike:

    So, how can you do any better, if you are the Queen, or King?

    Use QR code to manage movements?
    Take ownership of 9-dash lines?
    Build runway on a reclaimed coral reef which counter claimed by others?
    Build and send those not happy to re-education camps?
    Rape and sexual torture in re-education camps?
    DNA database building for Organ live-harvesting?
    Shoot Missiles onto others EEZ and say not recognized, yet?
    Or, just having hotpot and get killed for sex & organs as your DNA matches in the database?

    Western Sheep:
    Your comments show your total ignorance about Asia. You are also totally ignorant about Africa. Do you even know about slavery from Africa to other countries, or about massacres in Africa? Or about massacres within the UK?

    Genocides happened in countries with her as the Queen. She cannot get the glories and forget about the horrors.

    Despite your total ignorance, you still dare to offer your “expert” opinion about the Queen.

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  • knn:

    I_am_Mike:
    So, how can you do any better, if you are the Queen, or King?

    Use QR code to manage movements?
    Take ownership of 9-dash lines?
    Build runway on a reclaimed coral reef which counter claimed by others?
    Build and send those not happy to re-education camps?
    Rape and sexual torture in re-education camps?
    DNA database building for Organ live-harvesting?
    Shoot Missiles onto others EEZ and say not recognized, yet?
    Or, just having hotpot and get killed for sex & organs as your DNA matches in the database?

    You should simply call yourself, I_am_Mad. The more you post the more you confirm that you are Mad.

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  • comeon:

    I totally believe China will continue to flourish under Jiang or Hu, not Xi. Xi is turning the wheel, closing doors and going down Mao’s path. Instead of opening up economy, he shuts door and tighten grip on control human rights, freedom of expression.

    The reason to why so many people suddenly look up to him is his wolf warrior diplomacy and tuning up US/West as enemy to stop China’s rise. Fyi West and US did not stop China rise, was working with China all along until Xi’s time. The reason to China rising so fast was purely because it was Deng who opened up, making China a capitalist country, linking with the West. So the closing up and accusing West as trying to undermine China is Xi’s own personal agenda. Capitalism gave rise to democractic needs and freedom, he probably sees this a major problem to one party rule. Closing and not opening up is probably due to his plan to take Taiwan by force. But of course, he has small balls compared to Putin, he did not invade at the same time. Now seeing Putin sinking, we are sure his plan to invade will be further delayed.

    Most of us are Chinese, we want China to do well, do well does not mean you go out to intimidate neighbours, threaten war and constantly challenging other countries over trivial things. Why cant all countries work together for common good and prosperity like before? We are sure if China is willing to talk and negotiate, all these threats and uncertainities can be resolved instead of closing up and using wolf warriors to combat.

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  • I_am_Mike:

    Lol, be precise, which part?

    I find TRE an amazing place, only a mad speech attracts attention. Like GMS, TKL, Simon … lol..

    knn: You should simply call yourself, I_am_Mad. The more you post the more you confirm that you are Mad.

    Tech: For such an educated person as you, why are you still here at TRE? You belong at Progress Sinkapore, right?

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  • knn:

    comeon:
    I totally believe China will continue to flourish under Jiang or Hu, not Xi. Xi is turning the wheel, closing doors and going down Mao’s path. Instead of opening up economy, he shuts door and tighten grip on control human rights, freedom of expression.

    The reason to why so many people suddenly look up to him is his wolf warrior diplomacy and tuning up US/West as enemy to stop China’s rise. Fyi West and US did not stop China rise, was working with China all along until Xi’s time. The reason to China rising so fast was purely because it was Deng who opened up, making China a capitalist country, linking with the West. So the closing up and accusing West as trying to undermine China is Xi’s own personal agenda. Capitalism gave rise to democractic needs and freedom, he probably sees this a major problem to one party rule. Closing and not opening up is probably due to his plan to take Taiwan by force. But of course, he has small balls compared to Putin, he did not invade at the same time. Now seeing Putin sinking, we are sure his plan to invade will be further delayed.

    Most of us are Chinese, we want China to do well, do well does not mean you go out to intimidate neighbours, threaten war and constantly challenging other countries over trivial things. Why cant all countries work together for common good and prosperity like before? We are sure if China is willing to talk and negotiate, all these threats and uncertainities can be resolved instead of closing up and using wolf warriors to combat.

    My advice to you, go and admit yourself to Woodbridge. Or join a kindergarten and enjoy the company of kids. You are so naive.

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  • I_am_Mike:

    Woo.. me little or no educated lah, you see me so up ah, where got as educated as you do?

    I am here to give support before you are gone. Ultimately life is short and fate brought us together. With love.

    Few new characters, some oldies still around. And fewer CNTK around, CN losing steam?

    I_am_Mike:

    Tech: For such an educated person as you, why are you still here at TRE? You belong at Progress Sinkapore, right?

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  • Western Sheep:

    @knn, you are right.

    @comeon, you are what Blur King call “laughable simpleton vomit of Western propaganda.” You follow the bully’s story, and call the victim of a bully the bully.

    More and more western sheep running around.

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  • BK:

    comeon:
    I totally believe China will continue to flourish under Jiang or Hu, not Xi. Xi is turning the wheel, closing doors and going down Mao’s path. Instead of opening up economy, he shuts door and tighten grip on control human rights, freedom of expression.

    The reason to why so many people suddenly look up to him is his wolf warrior diplomacy and tuning up US/West as enemy to stop China’s rise. Fyi West and US did not stop China rise, was working with China all along until Xi’s time. The reason to China rising so fast was purely because it was Deng who opened up, making China a capitalist country, linking with the West. So the closing up and accusing West as trying to undermine China is Xi’s own personal agenda. Capitalism gave rise to democractic needs and freedom, he probably sees this a major problem to one party rule. Closing and not opening up is probably due to his plan to take Taiwan by force. But of course, he has small balls compared to Putin, he did not invade at the same time. Now seeing Putin sinking, we are sure his plan to invade will be further delayed.

    Most of us are Chinese, we want China to do well, do well does not mean you go out to intimidate neighbours, threaten war and constantly challenging other countries over trivial things. Why cant all countries work together for common good and prosperity like before? We are sure if China is willing to talk and negotiate, all these threats and uncertainities can be resolved instead of closing up and using wolf warriors to combat.

    Valid points. Dont worry about CCP Eunuchs. Same ones that say US Apollo landings are fakes (:

    Need I say more. Lol.

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  • BK:

    knnn:
    Western Sheep:
    September 12, 2022 at 9:15 pm (Quote)
    Your comments show your total ignorance about Asia. You are also totally ignorant about Africa. Do you even know about slavery from Africa to other countries, or about massacres in Africa? Or about massacres within the UK?
    Genocides happened in countries with her as the Queen. She cannot get the glories and forget about the horrors.
    Despite your total ignorance, you still dare to offer your “expert” opinion about the Queen.
    —– what the clown said about his own expert opinions———————–

    They accuse the Queen of all the crimes or whatever…. but in reality the Sovereign no longer has a political or executive role.

    Both Western Sheep and Free Rider are really clowns… they spew nonsense and accuse.

    We cannot win argument with clowns who have no logic or facts, they just pluck from the sky and their own version of the truth.

    I give Free Rider some slack, he funny. The other one said international courts settled Taiwan issue….definitely stupid clown.

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  • Western Sheep:

    Every time you bring up this topic of UN settlement of Taiwan, it only confirms that you don’t understand UN. Go read up the most important parts of UN: The security council and the general assembly.

    UN’s decision on China’s seat: take away from Taiwan and replace by Beijing. At the same time, Taiwan did not get a separate seat as another country in the UN. You stupidly believe this decision is about the piece of chair? You stupidly believe that that decision means that Taiwan becomes 99th state of US?

    You don’t feel ashamed, I feel bad for you.

    BK: I give Free Rider some slack, he funny. The other one said international courts settled Taiwan issue….definitely stupid clown.

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  • Western Sheep:

    Your ignorance shows in your comment. Ignorant Blur King supports you. Double ignorance.

    Both of you think the Queen was a dummy doll. Wrong! Go check up the details yourselves.

    Some people consider Singapore President is a dummy. They are also wrong. OTC proved that long ago. When the President does his job, the outcome can be troublesome for the Cabinet and Parliament.

    The Queen chose a smooth path for UK Royalty and Cabinet. No
    strong public disputes. She shared the glories and the horrors.

    knnn: They accuse the Queen of all the crimes or whatever…. but in reality the Sovereign no longer has a political or executive role.

    Both Western Sheep and Free Rider are really clowns… they spew nonsense and accuse.

    We cannot win argument with clowns who have no logic or facts, they just pluck from the sky and their own version of the truth.

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  • idontbelieveinccpbs:

    @BK

    I think Xi has transformed China into a war monger, all the propaganda painting US and West are enemies only happened during his time. Before him, it was always talk of joint co-operation with the west and opening up. And before his time, a lot of West investment into China; Apple, EMC, Microsoft, Dell, Korean conglomerates and Japanese. Singapore the most greedy of all became the defacto Number 1 investor in China, with the largest portfolio. And now, as you can see China’s closing up, our investments are under water as we built a lot of industrial parks and shopping under Capitaland and Maple. So Mdm’s greed in China and India did not take off and sinking badly, now you know why all hikes to PAPPY policies and changes to CPF plus BTO selling close to million. I believe the country is broke and China refusing to open up and at odds with the west will slowly kill its international business. As you know Ren Zheng Fei already came out to tell the world, the next 5 or 10 years will be very difficult for Huawei. Huawei is not selling much to West, although its 5G is ahead of competition, Singapore is so pro China but yet did not buy a single unit of 5G. Perhaps the closing door on West was to get ready for war with Taiwan. But Xi may not have too much confidence of absolute win and minimal damage, the plan to invade has stalled and now seeing Ukraine’s situation, will delay further.

    China war mongering and propaganda won a lot of admirers in Singapore and Malaysia, this is probably have to do with MCP, bully always being admired, just like PAPPY. Bullying wins admiration…

    I think if Xi is still in power, just like Putin, China will sink further. If China has avoided this war mongering and continue to work with West, China will absolute overtake US in technology and wealth before 2030. Now China rich are migrating out of China and HK to Singapore, all recent transactions million dollar BTOs are PRC new citizens or PRs. 1 China rich bought more than 100 units of condos, another 60 units of condos. China rich is no dumb like CCP lovers, they already know China is sinking under Xi’s war mongering and 0 Covid policy. Even Li Ka Shing shifted his money, family and asset to Singapore. So all these are evidence that they do not have confident in China anymore.

    I think people need to look at the facts and critical analyse the underlying and not have blind faith like the church followers of CHC.

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  • knnn:

    Xi’s constant threat and war mongering had forced many countries to withdraw their business from China, Korean Lotto group… part of apple manufacturing, part of Foxconn,us enterprise, korean enterprise, japan enterprise and lots of US engineering moved out to Vietnam, India, Japan, Indonesia and Taiwan. What does this do to their economy and employment?

    So is this good for China? My PRC China constantly asked me if he can buy some emerging technologies from US because he thinks Chinese lacks some of these innovation. I told him ever since Xi decided to close doors and constantly cooking up US and West as enemies, they have created new laws and regulation that these technologies cannot be bought by Chinese. Of course CCP lovers would tell me that Chinese tech is best in the world and no need to get or learn from the West.

    Want to talk also talk sense la…Blind faith is not helping.. just like Putin’s tight control over Russians and now the war is failing, the people started to rebel and insult him openly. If China’s economy sinks further, without a war on Taiwan to redirect anger, Xi’s tenure will be questioned openly.

    Fyi China economy is sinking… that is for sure. They are no longer rosy as in Jiang and Hu’s time.

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  • BK:

    idontbelieveinccpbs:
    @BK

    I think Xi has transformed China into a war monger, all the propaganda painting US and West are enemies only happened during his time. Before him, it was always talk of joint co-operation with the west and opening up. And before his time, a lot of West investment into China; Apple, EMC, Microsoft, Dell, Korean conglomerates and Japanese. Singapore the most greedy of all became the defacto Number 1 investor in China, with the largest portfolio. And now, as you can see China’s …….

    Yo bro, I wish Li Keqianq had got the job. Xi is supported by the military, so he had to cater to them.

    And his economic policies have alot of subtle pushbacked already. The contradiction of capitalism with Chinese characteristics is that in a Leninist structure, no one can ever be in the lime light but Xi/CCP.

    And this is interpreted in ways that stopped a proper dialogue bwt all the stakeholders.

    US is not innocent, and the logic of Great Power will be to contain China. But China move into South China Sea made it easy for US to play thr hero. Bad strategic mistake from China.

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  • BK:

    Lol. Dont talk cock, show the intl court documents. U lied period, like your frd thst doubled down on fake US Apollo Landing.

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  • k:

    BK:
    Lol. U trying to have a brain? Dont worry about it. Keep to your No US Apollo landing and intl courts have settled Taiwan.

    Sotong, sotong (:

    The biggest giveaway in the Moon Landing hoax were the numerous perfectly taken pictures on the moon. The astronauts were not professional photographers. The camera was wrapped in so many layers, bulking and extremely difficult to manipulate and to shoot photos. Pressing the button was very difficult, adjusting the shots, position the camera were tough. Not to forget the winding of the films, with only 36 frames per roll.

    How did they took those perfect photographs, perfectly exposed, perfectly framed etc etc? Those perfect pictures could only be taken by professionals in a studio environment.

    Another big giveaway is the Van Allen Belt. The photographic films did not have a chance to pass through the radio active belt without being wiped out completely by the X-ray.

    Still believing in your white men’s lie of moon landing? They could not even get a modern rocket off the ground today.

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  • Real democracy:

    knnn:
    Xi’s constant threat and war mongering had forced many countries to withdraw their business from China, Korean Lotto group… part of apple manufacturing, part of Foxconn,us enterprise, korean enterprise, japan enterprise and lots of US engineering moved out to Vietnam, India, Japan, Indonesia and Taiwan. What does this do to their economy and employment?

    So is this good for China? My PRC China constantly asked me if he can buy some emerging technologies from US because he thinks Chinese lacks some of these innovation. I told him ever since Xi decided to close doors and constantly cooking up US and West as enemies, they have created new laws and regulation that these technologies cannot be bought by Chinese. Of course CCP lovers would tell me that Chinese tech is best in the world and no need to get or learn from the West.

    Want to talk also talk sense la…Blind faith is not helping.. just like Putin’s tight control over Russians and now the war is failing, the people started to rebel and insult him openly. If China’s economy sinks further, without a war on Taiwan to redirect anger, Xi’s tenure will be questioned openly.

    Fyi China economy is sinking… that is for sure. They are no longer rosy as in Jiang and Hu’s time.

    You sounded like that silly Gordon Chang, everyday hoping that China would collapse. Sorry to disappoint you. The first economies to collapse would be those in Europe and the US would follow closely behind.

    Keep believing in blind faith, that white men will rule the world with the support of coloured stooges.

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  • Western Sheep:

    Another shameful outburst showing total ignorance. Already told you where to look, but you want to be spoon-fed, worse than a pri 1 kid.

    BK:
    Lol. Dont talk cock, show the intl court documents. U lied period, like your frd thst doubled down on fake US Apollo Landing.

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  • Western Sheep:

    Ignorance loves ignorance. Beyond help.

    idontbelieveinccpbs: @BK I agree with your views.
    Other than US wars in Middle East and some part of Europe, since WW1, did any country in Asia suffer from US’s supremacy?

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  • BK:

    Lol. @Tech called u an idiot. Eunuch is definitely more precise (;

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  • BK:

    Lol. How can u show me where it is when it dosent exist? Publish it, show the world! U lied la period. Hahaha…what a fxcked up!

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  • @K

    Just curious, which school did you go to, the lousy school or the good school like IMH? lol

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  • I_am_Mike:

    Can’t blame you, you are probably not born yet to know. Lol

    Taiwan was the one rejecting co-exist with PRC in the UN, resulting in only CN taking over.

    But who knows this is a blessing. When war started between China and Taiwan, we can call it the Civil war still. Technically it is not invading. Correct.

    KMT ROC, was the founding member of UN and US was suggesting CKS to accept ‘two’ China seats in UN which CKS rejected and left UN.

    Please lah, you want to bluff also do it like real and know your story a bit better leh. Read up, read up, that’s how you read up? Funny like what lah… lol

    Don’t shame the CCP 50c leh

    Western Sheep:
    Every time you bring up this topic of UN settlement of Taiwan, it only confirms that you don’t understand UN. Go read up the most important parts of UN: The security council and the general assembly.

    UN’s decision on China’s seat: take away from Taiwan and replace by Beijing. At the same time, Taiwan did not get a separate seat as another country in the UN. You stupidly believe this decision is about the piece of chair? You stupidly believe that that decision means that Taiwan becomes 99th state of US?

    You don’t feel ashamed, I feel bad for you.

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  • Western Sheep:

    Western sheep, so hopeless. In their brainwashed head, CKS rejected 2 China, left UN and became 99th state of US.

    Shameful twisting following western propaganda.

    I_am_Mike: KMT ROC, was the founding member of UN and US was suggesting CKS to accept ‘two’ China seats in UN which CKS rejected and left UN.

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  • idontbelieveinccpbs:

    @BK

    Li KeQiang is not the chosen one, Xi was chosen, Li did not have support of majority of politburo. However, this guy is good and capable and very clean, Xi is not able to bring him down unlike others. Li has become a vase in his team.

    I think US and West turning into protectionist mode is only after Xi started campaigning against US/West after he took over from Hu. Those propaganda, started with against Japan. I remembered those days that he just took over, CCP members and public servants were told to distribute printed copies of anti Japan and go on protest. I was in Beijing print shop, one CCP member brought his copy and told the shop to print…. I asked them what happened, he said the govt asked them to do distribute and let them off half day to go protest. And then japanese restaurants, cars etc… all smirched with paint etc. I asked them why suddenly all these BS? He said he only took instructions from the top. Then came all the propaganda about US trying to undermine Chinese growth….. I believe it is 自导自演. And since all these exercises came, my Japanese counterpart in China started to worry about Japanese business in China and then management decided enough bs from China, decided to move out their business. And my other friends in China Tech were told that they should not buy any western technologies to be in their IT systems and China was planning to swop out all western tech with their own local tech. I was in MNC, my partners told me if you going to sell new western tech, they need to be OEM under Chinese brand, no Chinese companies would buy, unless its western companies operating in China. One of the largest oil companies my friend was working with in China, he told me China hackers were often hacking into their systems and stealing their designs. Same for Cisco hacks and many other western techs were copied by China enterprise. I was also approached by China company to help them copy my company operating software and apps by giving them keys. Of course, I did not want to antagonise them and bluffed them with some bogus reasons as they were my potential customer. For years, China companies are using hackers and stealing technologies, if they dont steal, they buy. 5G initial was bought from UK, a small company. Train and car technology were bought from Germany. The world largest oil companies in China were so afraid of hackers that they did not allow any latest designs to be made available in China for manufacturing, that was in the 90s and 00s. I am not bluffing, my friends work for them and been to China, Russia, Siberia, Tianjin, middle east where oil is.

    Dont always jump into conclusion that West or US is against China, they were reactive to what China was doing internally and externally. I am very sure if Xi did not behave like that after taking over, things will be just fine.

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  • Western Sheep:

    A P1 kid throws tantrum. I don’t know. The question must be wrong. Teacher, you are fxcked up! lol. This kid deserves a few strokes. Quick, where’s Simon.

    BK:
    Lol. How can u show me where it is when it dosent exist? Publish it, show the world! U lied la period. Hahaha…what a fxcked up!

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  • ah seng:

    https://sg.yahoo.com/style/china-opens-unofficial-police-stations-175823747.html

    China opens unofficial police stations in Britain to hunt down people for their return

    Another isolated incident? China their head is so swelled that they can do whatever they want in other people’s territory. This is autocracy and those people who love such model should understand how they behave.

    Tech: I really wonder why people are so daft to believe all the shit that the local (since it was yahoo’s SG website) media throws at them. China may be a huge country, but do you think their police have jurisdiction in UK and can carry arms and arrest people or not? Even Interpol officers have to be accompanied by local police to carry out any mission, understand? So unless UK law grants that supposed unofficial police to do all the above, they are no different than a bunch of tourists in the country. Unless the arrested people are illegally loaded onto a container and shipped out of the Uk, then maybe yes.

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  • BK:

    @idontbelieveinccpbs

    I think is in the nature of geo-politics that each nation wants a upper hand. And US with its Monroe doctrine shows a capacity of regional hegemony.

    US unipolar moment is now replaced by a more historical phase of multipolar competition. And it will contain China.

    US politicians are restrained by its ppl, we hope that the China ppl in time have the capacity to do the same.

    But without question, imho, US has been in historical context, a benign hegemony because of its libaralism.

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  • BK:

    Lol. A teacher that teaches there is no US Apollo Landing, and a intl court ruling that dosent exist. And one who cry for white father when he loses and argument with me. Now u cry for Simon!

    Dont be pitiful la, man up!

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  • Western Sheep:

    You and idontbelieve really have no idea what US did in Asia and all over the world.

    So ignorant and yet so opinionated. Unthinking ignorant western sheep.

    BK: @idontbelieveinccpbsBut without question, imho, US has been in historical context, a benign hegemony because of its libaralism.

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  • Problem:

    Let China settle its Developers problem.
    The housing bubble is bursting.

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  • myfirstscrew:

    Tech: I really wonder why people are so daft to believe all the shit that the local (since it was yahoo’s SG website) media throws at them. China may be a huge country, but do you think their police have jurisdiction in UK and can carry arms and arrest people or not? Even Interpol officers have to be accompanied by local police to carry out any mission, understand? So unless UK law grants that supposed unofficial police to do all the above, they are no different than a bunch of tourists in the country. Unless the arrested people are illegally loaded onto a container and shipped out of the Uk, then maybe yes.
    —————hmmm you always seem to defend any anti CCP story——–

    https://www.dw.com/en/how-china-intimidates-uighurs-abroad-by-threatening-their-families/a-49554977
    https://www.businessinsider.com/china-uses-family-members-to-silence-criticism-2018-7
    https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/china-uighur/
    https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/01/31/china-families-interpol-targets-harassed
    https://freedomhouse.org/article/how-resist-chinas-campaign-transnational-repression
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/29/the-disappeared-china-renditions-kidnapping/
    https://www.propublica.org/article/operation-fox-hunt-how-china-exports-repression-using-a-network-of-spies-hidden-in-plain-sight

    All these are shit and fabricated to put CCP in poor light…. nothing is real… :_)

    Tech: At least we can agree on one thing. lol

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  • BK:

    Lol. Another intl courts settled Taiwan moment poor sotong….(:

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  • Western Sheep:

    From Redbean’s article:

    “Knowing history and understanding history are important as without the knowledge of history, we may make a fool of ourselves in blindly idolising kings and queens as super human beans or virtuous beans, without knowing the crimes and sins they committed or their parent kings and queens committed to make themselves rich and for them to inherit ill gotten wealth from the blood and sweat of their victims. This is just like worshipping the Americans/AngloSaxon and the Japanese without knowing the atrocities, massacres and genocides they committed when they invaded countries.

    If one understands history and know the past, one may have second thoughts about the greatness of kings and queens. Ask the victims of colonialism and invasion, about how many were massacred or genocided, and how their wealth were robbed by kings and queens. Ask what was the role of the Japanese king in the invasion of China, East and SE Asia. Ask how kings and queens sold drugs to cripple and kill to become rich and powerful, how pirates, murderers, cheats and liars were knighted by kings and queens when they killed and robbed in the name of kings and queens.”

    Can the unthinking ignorant western sheep even understand this?

    Do they even know how many Asians were killed by US since WW1? One sheep claimed ZERO. Other sheep never disagree. Some seem to agree.

    Do they even know how many Asians were killed by Australia, France, UK, since WW1? Another ZERO?

    Tech: I really wonder why people are so daft to believe all the shit that the local (since it was yahoo’s SG website) media throws at them.

    I thought western sheep were “laughable simpleton vomit of Western propaganda”, as self-described by BK. They are better than that. They make up more propaganda of their own. Very smart sheep.

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  • BK:

    Lol. U like to quote me? Then quote this;

    “laughable simpleton vomit of Western propaganda, and insane morons regurgitate China propaganda”

    Im getting popular la (:

    Btw u lied about intl courts settled Taiwan.

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  • myfirstscrew:

    Tech: At least we can agree on one thing. lol

    Sir – i dont agree with you, only agree, any anti ccp story is fake and fabricated, you are a die hard blind faith CCP lover just like CHC member, nothing can convince you. LOL

    Tech: Then we agree to disagree like mature adults lor. BTW, I don’t agree with all of CCP’s policies and I do find some debatable, for the record.

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  • I_am_Mike:

    Ah Mr Redbean, know him in 2005. After that we all go different ways. Then in the past 10 years become an oversea CCP informal mouth piece. Had wrote several sales articles selling XJP koyok.

    What history Redbean talking huh?
    Why he skipped CCP history of causing hundreds of millions Chinese death, directly and indirectly in the past 70 years? And still counting…

    Selective quotes, Redbean must be feeding you CCP 50c with alot of readbean soup huh?

    Tech: ah, uncle bean, was with TRE for almost a decade until he feels that he can no longer take the heat in the kitchen when readers started questioning and disagreeing with his articles.

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  • Western Sheep:

    Tech: ah, uncle bean, was with TRE for almost a decade until he feels that he can no longer take the heat in the kitchen when readers started questioning and disagreeing with his articles.

    Redbean is smart. Why argue with self-confessed “laughable simpleton vomit of Western propaganda”.

    Redbean remembers TRE “debaters”:
    “And the stupid still believe the USA is the most peaceful country and China the most aggressive and warmonger.”

    You commenters know who he refers to. “US is the most benign hegemon. Never hurt anybody in Asia.”

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  • BK:

    Lol. Still showed u lied about intl courts settled Taiwan…(:

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  • BK:

    Alamak, why u run to white father, run to Simon, run to Red Bean, run to Tech.

    Face up to it. U lied about intl courts settled Taiwan. If not, just publish the intl court papers.

    Run here, run there, quote here, quote there, dont be liked a little gal. Face up liked a man!! Tsk tsk.

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  • BK:

    U see me run away from my quotes? But I dont lie liked u. Fair game to make fun of me, I do enough with u.

    But Im just showing what a Chinese chauvinist is vs Pro China. U are not pro China, u are a sick man.

    Tech is pro China. He said he has benefited from that community, his wife adores him, seriously I will be appalled if he said bad things about Chinese ppl. His reaonings are personal experiences, he seldom go into theorectical debates. He is just honestly expressing his opinions.

    U and the other Chauvinists like to lie, huh, no Apollo Moon Landing, intl courts settled Taiwan issue, when lose argument call for white man to help u. A series of fxxking psychosis.

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  • admirer:

    https://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/freedom-house-pro-china-news-230000326.html

    KUALA LUMPUR, Sept 15 — The Malaysian government, journalists and civil societies should watch for a shift to Beijing-friendly coverage from Umno-aligned news outlets if the party stays in power, said a report by US-based watchdog Freedom House.

    In its Beijing’s Global Media Influence 2022 report, Freedom House said that Umno, and by extension, the coalition that it helms, Barisan Nasional (BN), have been relatively pro-China since the emergence of the 1Malaysia Development Berhad (1MDB) scandal in 2015.

    The report, which was released last week, said that this support was largely due to a need for investment resulting from the scandal.

    “The China-financed East Coast Rail Link (ECRL) became a key campaign issue for Umno [in 2021].

    —>>>Tech is pro China, his reasonings are personal experiences, he seldom go into theorectical debates. LOL LOL LOL

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  • Western Sheep:

    When you lose argument, you get vulgar. Time to take medicine.

    Did you not proclaim frequently that skin color is immaterial? You are such an angmo worshiper that only angmo writings can get into your head. When you see honest angmo writings that contradict you, you go nuts.

    You are a self-confessed “laughable simpleton vomit of Western propaganda”.

    BK: when lose argument call for white man to help u. A series of fxxking psychosis.

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  • knnn:

    https://sg.yahoo.com/news/hong-kong-actor-apologises-praising-095212753.html

    Thu, 15 September 2022 at 5:52 pm

    A veteran Hong Kong opera star apologised and declared his patriotism on Thursday after his praise for Britain’s late Queen Elizabeth II sparked a backlash among nationalists in China.

    Thousands of Hong Kong residents have queued up outside the city’s British consulate this week to sign a condolence book for the late monarch who died after 70 years on the throne.

    Among the mourners was Law Kar-ying, a heavyweight of the Cantonese opera scene, who published a selfie on Instagram from the queue and a message that read: “Hong Kong was a blessed land during her reign.”

    ——— This is the type of autocracy you want to live in? You cannot even express the truth or what your heart feels?——————-

    I encourage pro CCP lovers such as TKL, GMS etc to move there permanently.

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  • idontbelieveinccpbs:

    U think Taiwan wants to go back China?

    https://sg.news.yahoo.com/nearly-90-ukrainians-oppose-territorial-124355008.html

    KYIV (Reuters) – Some 87% of Ukrainians oppose any territorial concessions to Russia, according to a poll released on Thursday by a top Ukrainian pollster, an increase on earlier surveys.

    The survey conducted by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology showed an absolute majority of Ukrainians in every region were opposed to their country giving away territory under any circumstances, even if this meant prolonging the war.

    The figure marks an increase in the number of people opposed to territorial concessions recorded in previous KIIS surveys, from 84% in July and 82% in May.

    The latest survey, which canvassed the views of 2,000 people on Sept. 7-13, coincided with a Ukrainian counter-offensive that has recaptured swathes of land in the northeast Kharkiv region, lifting national morale and raising hopes of further territorial gains before the winter sets in.

    Despite the recent gains, however, Russian forces still hold around 20% of Ukrainian territory.

    The poll showed that 57% of Ukraine’s ethnic Russians and 85% of Russian-speaking ethnic Ukrainians opposed making territorial concessions to Moscow. Only 24% of ethnic Russians supported giving up land to achieve peace, it showed.

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  • BK:

    Lol. I havent seen any intl courts settled Taiwan writings , have u ?

    A persistent liar… anyway thank u for doing what I want (:

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