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Can China help to end the war in Ukraine?

The Australian foreign minister, Penny Wong, asked China to help find an end to the war in Ukraine.

She believed that China can influence Russia to negotiate with Ukraine to find a peace settlement.

She missed one key element. She has to get Ukraine to agree to ask China to play this role. She must also ask America and the European Union to give backing to the role that China can play.

China is unable to play any meaningful role as long as Ukraine, America and the EU wishes to continue the war to weaken Russia.

If both sides to the conflict (and the Ukraine side includes America and EU) agrees for China to play a role, can China be trusted to act fairly in the interest of both sides and for the world?

I think that China can play this role.

Right from the start, China has held the position that both sides should negotiate and find a peaceful settlement to their dispute. Military conflict should be the last option.

China has friendly relations to both Russia and Ukraine. It can play a meaningful role to find a solution to end the conflict.

The next step is for Ukraine, America and EU to ask China to help find a settlement.

Do you agree?

 

Tan Kin Lian

 

 

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50 Responses to “Can China help to end the war in Ukraine?”

  • Temusik Patriot:

    The Lion in China has woke not The dragon…It will ROAR to be Heard n NOT sent fireballs like the dragon did

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  • Penny Wong can talk:

    September 25, 2022 – 8:20PM

    Ukrainian Defence Minister Advisor Yuriy Sak says the supplied Australian Bushmasters have been “absolutely fantastic” as he encourages the Australian government to send more armoured vehicles.

    Mr Sak said Australia is one of Ukraine’s strongest military partners in this “battle for freedom”.

    “The Bushmasters have been used very efficiently by our army during the Kharkiv counter-offensive – they have been on the front lines and they have been magnificent,” he told Sky News host Erin Molan.

    “So thank you again for this support and please bear in mind that we need more of this support at this stage.”

    He encouraged the Australian government to support Ukraine by sending a Hawkei – a light four-wheel-drive protected mobility vehicle.

    “We encourage your government to consider supporting Ukraine by sending us more of those as well,” Mr Sak added.

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  • Now I think I know why Tan was not invited to drink coffee and wear parachut liao, cause he is not politics material.

    The war between Eussia and Ukraine is not just 2 jokers fighting nia, it goes beyond that.

    The war is still ongoing because the US did not want it to end and you think Russia before touching Ukraine did not hello hello with China meh?

    My take is that if China had wanted the war to end, it would have been easy but since the US is trying to hanky panky, China is waiting (watching) for US to dig its own grave and the grave of its allies.

    The war in Russia is a good thing because winter is coming, but Russia is no longer supplying power to the EU, so Asia will eventually gain from it, IMHO.

    Of course I do not know everything, so anyone is welcome to add and amend as necessary.

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  • SINGAROAR:

    It is very easy to end the war. Russia has to end it by pulling its troops out of Ukraine territories.It has to return all Ukrainian territories annexed prior to the war. China and India have benefited from the war. Both countries have been buying cheap gas from Russia. So neither is a good candidate for Peace negotiations.We do not know whether China and Russia are allies in promoting Communism globally.China is probably watching the war unfolding. It is most unfortunate that China wants to compete with the West at all levels.

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  • xoxo:

    To be fair,what do *ANGMOHphiles*(as in anvlophiles) think n say?
    Screw China or Asia for not helping to stop the war?
    Do you see Ukraine seeking help humbly fro. XJP/CHINA even after China offered to assist in mediation?
    Or,do you see Zelensky going to the ANGMOHS?
    Who supply WEAPONRY to UKRAINE,which indirectly to my humble mind,is a way of encouraging Ukraine to keep fighting even if it means more harm than good for Ukranians themselves?

    If XJP were to lend a hand,the angmohs would likely criticise with all kinds of insults,whatever the outcome.
    Of course,the insults would be more severe if China is PERCEIVED as favouring Russia???
    More than 6 months passed,what has angmohs’ so-called HELP done?

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  • myfirstscrew:

    China is unable to play any meaningful role as long as Ukraine, America and the EU wishes to continue the war to weaken Russia. -> CCPLover 1

    China is unable to play any meaningful role as long as Ukraine, America and the EU wishes to continue the war to weaken Russia. -> CCPLover 2

    CCP Lover commented that Russia seeked blessing from China, that is correct, during the BJ olympics. After Putin’s return, he started the war.

    Both lovers are wrong. Ukraine President called Xi many times during the war to ask Xi to help to persuade Putin to end, Xi refused to answer any of his calls! China of course can play meaningful role because currently, Russia is using China’s financial network and yuan to finance the country and economy. So please dont bull.

    Fyi Russia’s aggression started way back in 2014 when they annexed Crimea by force. Ukraine did not go to war thinking if they cut a piece of their land, Russia would be happy to stop. Instead, they wanted more land.

    China will not help Ukraine or West or US to persuade Russia to stop because it has its own plan to take Taiwan by force and needs friends like Russia to support when in war. So please dont bull us.

    The Chinese propaganda:

    1. NATO is the cause – at the border of Russia and NATO and few more small countries, their total strength of army is less than 80000 troop. Why would NATO countries with such low strength want to invade Russia with 1M soldiers?

    2. West wants to weaken Russia – If Russia does not invade Ukraine, how would it be weakened? West giving arms to Ukraine is to weaken Russia, of course I agree. Why not? Support democracy and weaken enemy like Russia who goes around intimidating and declaring war.

    Both CCP lovers have strange logic, brainwashed very deep.

    Tech: I agree with everything you have written except the part on Taiwan and the propoganda shit. Don’t need China to say anything about NATO or US because many MSM in the world are already saying that, don’t conveniently pin the blame on China in everything NATO or US. As for Taiwan, the whole world knows that as long as Taiwan does not work towards independence, China can afford to wait and will never take it by force.

    Your arguments are all based on the (perceived) fact that China will invade Taiwan, so whatever logical or illogical conclusion you arrive at on the war in Russia is premise on the warped belief of yours, so how then can anything meaningful come out of it? Don’t rojak the whole issue, please.

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  • Temusik Patriot:

    China was raped, occupied n even ruled by foreign nonentities in its capital Peking(watch the movie 55 days in Peking & Fist of FURY) whereby the Chinese are a caste lower than dogs

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  • Temusik Patriot:

    WIMBOWE!!! The Lion no Longer Sleeps and when it Roars it Resounds around the world…no need to go to war sending fiteballs

    Temusik Patriot:
    China was raped, occupied n even ruled by foreign nonentities in its capital Peking(watch the movie 55 days in Peking & Fist of FURY) whereby the Chinese are a caste lower than dogs

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    TKL: “….The next step is for Ukraine, America and EU to ask China to help find a settlement….”

    ——

    Again, TKL shows only balls carrying skills, try to paint that China is pivot to stopping the current Ukraine war. You think Ukraine, US, EU, UN, etc… didn’t ask anyone and everyone past 7 months to try to stop the war, meh? Oh, so China needs “proper” invitation to help negotiate a truce or peace, hor? China has a seat in the UN Security Council, it had said it would be a “responsible” country as it gained global superpower status – meaning it could ON ITS OWN initiated negotiations at the very start of the conflict, IF IT WANTED TO. But no, China preferred to sit on the fence, see how the situation developed. Now that Putin is really in deep shit, with the Russian army turning out to be a paper tiger, China and India are beginning to change their tunes. So China is not pivot to a solution to the war, it just doesn’t want to be associated with an increasingly evident losing side.

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  • China not needed:

    China is not needed!

    Russia has taken steps to end the war!

    First, referendums for the annexation of Donbas,Kherson and Mariupol have been held and the results will be known by tomorrow.

    Next, the mobilisation of three hundred thousand troops, to be deployed in the occupied territories to strengthen the hold.

    The results of the referendums, based on the demographic composition in the affected areas, will definitely be in Russia favour. Hence the occupied territories will be annexed and become Russian territories in a double fast time.

    Once these have been done, no one will dare to touch the Russian bear. They have more than six thousand nuclear weapons and more than a third have been deployed. Putin will not hesitate to use them.

    China? No need lah!

    Tech: If Putin even remotely dare or suggest to use the nuclear launch button, you think China and US of A would just sit by and relax one corner? You think China has no ABMs and ICBMs pointed at Russia now? Putin may be crazy, but he no certainly is mad.

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  • xoxo:

    The problem with *angmoh-philes* is they will always have something to link others with differing opinions as CCP-lovers.
    Asking without humility n sincerity is not a REQUEST,it equates to an arrogant demand and expectation.

    It is most probable that angmoh tua kees will not be satiated if XJP were to put his hands in without angmohs’ ratification.

    Say this,say that,its still angmohs are always right n have superior *solutions*.
    Like i humbly ask,what exactly has angmohs done to end the war?
    UN,NATO,whatever?

    Lets not angmoh-philes simply call others CCP-lovers when ,the truth is,they are blind-faith angmohs’ WORSHIPPERS.

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  • Chinadoll:

    Ukraine is Taiwan to China as taiwan is Ukraine to Russia. I don’t think it is in China’s interests that Russia comes out of the war looking like an idiot and a loser(not able to finish what it had started)

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  • idontbelieveinccpbs:

    Tech: I agree with everything you have written except the part on Taiwan and the propoganda shit. Don’t need China to say anything about NATO or US because many MSM in the world are already saying that, don’t conveniently pin the blame on China in everything NATO or US. As for Taiwan, the whole world knows that as long as Taiwan does not work towards independence, China can afford to wait and will never take it by force.

    Your arguments are all based on the (perceived) fact that China will invade Taiwan, so whatever logical or illogical conclusion you arrive at on the war in Russia is premise on the warped belief of yours, so how then can anything meaningful come out of it? Don’t rojak the whole issue, please.

    ———–I think you need to read and research more before you say———-
    Like BK said, your argument is always leaving out information to back up.

    Your argument that as long as Taiwan does not work towards independence, China can wait!!!

    “The updated version of CCP white paper in 2022″
    The white paper maintains China’s preference for “peaceful reunification,” which is identified as “the first choice of the [CCP] and the Chinese government.” However, as is long-standing CCP policy, the paper reiterates that China “will not renounce the use of force” in pursuing the goal of unification.

    China can afford to wait? The previous white paper by CCP said as long as Taiwan does not declare independence and China wont invade. But the latest CCP white paper shows otherwise. So they can wait or they cant wait? LOL

    When did Taiwan want to declare independence? Or a clear show they are already planning to be independent?

    Sorry sir, I am not you, my points are backed up by information, ironically by CCP.

    https://english.www.gov.cn/archive/whitepaper/202208/10/content_WS62f34f46c6d02e533532f0ac.html

    Tech: If I say “don’t insult my family members OR I will hammer you”, to you that means I will surely hammer you regardless, what warped logic. The white paper included use of force as an OPTION, not a must, simple english, no need PhD to understand right? If you are so clear and adament on CCP will use force to take Taiwan, then you surely must know WHEN China will do that, so will it be next year, within 5 years or within the next decade? Did the white paper specify a specific time or time frame?

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  • Zhenzidan:

    TRE Tech: The war is still ongoing because the US did not want it to end

    Talk cock lah! If Russia withdraw from all captured areas, US won’t be send arms again.

    Tech: You are not wrong, question is, will Russia withdraw from the war and make itself look like a bloodied fool on the world stage?

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  • Zhenzidan:

    myfirstscrew: The Chinese propaganda:

    1. NATO is the cause – at the border of Russia and NATO and few more small countries, their total strength of army is less than 80000 troop. Why would NATO countries with such low strength want to invade Russia with 1M soldiers?

    2. West wants to weaken Russia – If Russia does not invade Ukraine, how would it be weakened? West giving arms to Ukraine is to weaken Russia, of course I agree. Why not? Support democracy and weaken enemy like Russia who goes around intimidating and declaring war.

    Both CCP lovers have strange logic, brainwashed very deep.

    Spot on! The best analysis I read so far in TRE!

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  • Water tank:

    War,..is asking your Own children kill other children.war,leaders are strange.

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  • Zhenzidan:

    China not needed: Russia has taken steps to end the war!

    Russia will not end the war. Once it successfully conquers Ukraine, it will target the other smaller neighbours. Remember when they successfully captured many cities in Eastern Ukraine, Putin was telling everyone “the real war hasn’t started” and compared himself to Peter The Great.

    China not needed: Once these have been done, no one will dare to touch the Russian bear. They have more than six thousand nuclear weapons and more than a third have been deployed. Putin will not hesitate to use them.

    Talk as though only Russia has nuclear warheads. US and NATO don’t have? US weapons have proven to be more effective than Russian weapons. Before the war, who has heard of HIMARS Rockets which played a vital role in turning the tide to Ukraine’s favour?

    When Israel and Syria fought in Lebanon in 1982, Syria lost 52 “advanced Soviet MiG-25 fighter jets in 5 days whereas Israel lost only 3 American-made F-15s.

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  • I_am_Mike:

    @ xoxo

    Don’t mind, give yourself a chance to explain what do you meant?
    I find it interesting that some people carry this same thought that Ukrainian fighting to preserve their country and territory meant more harm than good?

    And what do you suggest Ukrainian should do instead? :)

    xoxo: Who supply WEAPONRY to UKRAINE,which indirectly to my humble mind,is a way of encouraging Ukraine to keep fighting even if it means more harm than good for Ukranians themselves?

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  • sad for the people:

    The ordinary people from both side suffer in this war.
    Should stop the war. Does not serve any useful purpose.
    Maybe has to create a safe buffer like North/South Korea.
    Russia should compensate Ukraine for the damage caused.

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  • Western Sheep:

    Shake head. Your knowledge of what you talk about is really zilch. Yet, you scream out like an expert.

    Don’t ask people for facts and data. Taiwan independence is all over the web. Go read up Tsai Ing Wen. You know who this person is, right?

    idontbelieveinccpbs: When did Taiwan want to declare independence? Or a clear show they are already planning to be independent?

    Tech: Err… wanting something and actually doing something to achieve that want is 2 different thing hor.

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    LOL, ccp-lovers defending China for doing NOTHING so far, just keep bashing angmohs for providing arms to Ukrainians to defend themselves. Since this war was started by China’s angmoh buddy, the Eastern LJ’ers should just shut up and suck the dildo in their mouths, dun kapok. After all, this is an angmoh war, right?

    As to the ill-informed notion that US/NATO/Ukraine doesn’t want to end the fighting, why should they? Putin started the war, why should they allow him to end it on his terms? China so big can get Putin to stop on terms agreeable to Nato/EU/Ukraine, meh? He will definitely die-die hang on to at least Crimea. XJP will lose face should Putin tell him to go fly kite.

    In war, if the aggressor cannot finish what he started, then someone will finish it for him. So simple, yet many here, like TKL, still like sotongs. At this stage, China is largely irrelevant in the Ukraine war.

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  • Good Joker:

    Your view of the world is so so so cute.

    SINGAROAR:
    It is very easy to end the war. Russia has to end it by pulling its troops out of Ukraine territories.It has to return all Ukrainian territories annexed prior to the war. China and India have benefited from the war. Both countries have been buying cheap gas from Russia. So neither is a good candidate for Peace negotiations.We do not know whether China and Russia are allies in promoting Communism globally.China is probably watching the war unfolding. It is most unfortunate that China wants to compete with the West at all levels.

    Tech: I agree. In politics, 1+1 can be anything else except 2.

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  • China not needed:

    Alamak! Suda tua lah!

    Nobody knows how many nuclear weapons China has. Experts in the western camp estimated that @ 350 is the most probable.

    On the use of nuclear weapons, China has, since they first tested one in the 1960s, emphasised the “no first use” principle. Thus, under the current circumstances of the “special military ops” started by Putin, is there any probability that China has to use nuclear weapons on Russia?

    Clearly, China is not needed again!

    As for Russia, more than a quarter of their @ 6000 nuclear weapons are tactical nuclear weapons which are more likely to be used in regional conflicts. Contrary to the no first use principle, they have maintained the position that whenever their national security is seriously threatened by external forces, nuclear weapons will be employed without hesitation.

    It would appear that the annexation of the occupied territories would take place soon, would USA, UK and France have the guts risking nuclear world war, to use nuclear weapons on the polar bear first?

    Macam orang tua buyak otta, China clearly and definitely could not help you!

    Tech: If Putin even remotely dare or suggest to use the nuclear launch button, you think China and US of A would just sit by and relax one corner? You think China has no ABMs and ICBMs pointed at Russia now? Putin may be crazy, but he no certainly is mad.

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  • nathan chen:

    China had spoken. They are no limits partners with the Russians. What does it mean? From the start, China’s President Xi Jinping and the CCP do not think the war in Ukraine is an invasion but a special operation but Russia President Putin. China needs Russia as an ally to counter the USA and her western allies. Even if Russia use nuclear in Ukraine, China remain on the sideline and watch how the wind blows. Why should China antagonize Russia and help the USA and her allies to push for a peaceful political and military with Russia? China knows Russia is hell-bent to destroyed Ukraine by mobilizing another 300,000 thousands Russian troops to escalate the war in Ukraine.

    If Putin is defeated in Ukraine, falls from grace, stripped of power as President at home, killed or assassinated. The focus will shift to China as the next world power, USA and her western allies would love to hate. The North Korea regime comes in a very close second to China.

    There is still the China’s thorny issue with the US over Taiwan. It’s only a matter of time before matters comes to a head with the USA. China sees Russia as a powerful ally on its side, willing to go to extreme ends against the US and her allies and even NATO. If Putin is mad enough. Xi should be mad enough, to go against the world order. At most, what we can hope for is a short uneasy respite period, a stalemate. None is in the mood for smoking the international peace pipe. However, all knows the consequence of a war conventional or nuclear. Fear is holding the peace. But for how long?

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    China not needed:
    Alamak! Suda tua lah!

    On the use of nuclear weapons, China has, since they first tested one in the 1960s, emphasised the “no first use” principle. Thus, under the current circumstances of the “special military ops” started by Putin, is there any probability that China has to use nuclear weapons on Russia?

    Please stop bringing up nuclear weapons. Everyone has them, yet nobody since WW2 had dared to use them. The MAD principle is understood and adhered to by all nuclear powers, so it is not only China that has a “no first use” principle. Can talk economical, political, ideological, etc. if China is relevant or not, but nukes are very likely off the table.

    IMO, Putin is losing control. With the recent call for mobilization, the Russian public already starts to show civil unrest of their supremo. If Putin uses nukes, the public may well lynch him very quickly, hoping that would appease other countries from retaliating – in that sense, China is not needed.

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  • Zhenzidan:

    Zhenzidan: Talk cock lah! If Russia withdraw from all captured areas, US won’t be send arms again.

    Tech: You are not wrong, question is, will Russia withdraw from the war and make itself look like a bloodied fool on the world stage?

    That’s why don’t say “US don’t want to end the war”!

    Tech: OK OK, then let me rephrase “US don’t want the war to end”, happy? lol

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  • Zhenzidan:

    Tech: You are not wrong, question is, will Russia withdraw from the war and make itself look like a bloodied fool on the world stage?

    There will come a time when Russia run out of resources to sustain the invasion. Putin threatened to use nuclear hoping to scare the West to prevent them from sending arms to Ukraine. I dare say it won’t work.

    Zelensky already vowed to recapture all captured lands from Russia, and judging from what’s happening for the past seven months, Zelensky is no comedian and will fulfill what he promised. As long as Zelensky and Ukraine willing to fight on, West will continue to send weapons and let’s see how long can Putin sustain. Already the “partial mobilization” is creating panic and chaos in Russia and will only get worse.

    Tech: That Sir, is something which I can agree with you on. Only time will tell, so we grab Tiger and popcorn and watch. lol

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  • nathan chen:

    @ the forgottongeneration.
    Putin is not buffing.The threat to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine is highly probably. This observation comes from Zelensky.Most likely, it will also be Putin who fires the first salvo.The war in Ukraine is an unjust war, after all. Putin does not care. He thinks the Ukraine war is winnable but for the weapons sent to Ukraine by the the US,the EU countries and the breakaway states from the defunct Soviet Union. Putin wants revenge.

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  • Zhenzidan:

    TRE Tech: The war is still ongoing because the US did not want it to end

    Tech: OK OK, then let me rephrase “US don’t want the war to end”, happy? lol

    What’s difference? LPPL!

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  • xoxo:

    Umm,so much angmoh and China regarding Russia-Ukraine War.
    Basically,both Russia and Ukraine are angmohs,more so than either is Asian.

    If angmohs cannot helpame stop this angmoh war,why blame China or India or SINKAPORE?

    RUSSIA IS ANGMOH N IT IS COMMUNIST.
    So,why bash Chinese *CCP*?

    So,angmohs supply weapon$ ,cause supply chain issues also China’s fault becos of CCP?

    I shake head.

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  • xoxo:

    And,angmoh logic like this one.
    USA ,HIGH DEFICITS,HIGH DEBT,WORLD’S BIGGEST DEBTOR,STILL MIGHTY U$D remains mightily $trong.
    Turkey,high debt,turkish lira,emerging market THIRD WORLD CURRENCY,so tumbles!
    So U$D is strong becos HIGH INTEREST RATE,WIDE INTEREST DIFFERENTIALS,RESERVE CURRENCY?
    LOL!ANGMOHS JUST PRINT MORE MIGHTY GREENBACK$ becos the world is full of blind worshippers,leber mine,U$A owes them money.

    How i wish i too can *print* money to pay my creditors while WHACKING them?

    Logic?
    Hell,its * white-blindness*!

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  • xoxo:

    The MIGHTY U$D IS AN ILLU$ION.
    The world’s *smart* fools are just lured by a MIRAGE!
    Tell you,U$D will soon fall after 2022 or so when the oasis dries up and smart fools wake up.

    When others print money,it is banana currency.
    When mighty u$a prints money,it is ALMIGHTY U$D!

    TIME -just another few months’ time- will unfold the TRUTH.

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    Zhenzidan:

    As long as Zelensky and Ukraine willing to fight on, West will continue to send weapons and let’s see how long can Putin sustain. Already the “partial mobilization” is creating panic and chaos in Russia and will only get worse.

    The so-called chaos or poor response to the mobilization is not the main issue. The concern is what can Putin arm them with – he has little T-90/T-80/T-72s left (and in serviceable condition), he has gone to using T-62s, maybe he next pull T-55/54s off storage. Should be interesting going forward if the war continues.

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  • I_am_Mike:

    @ xoxo

    I truly and seriously wish to know why some people carry this same thought that Ukrainian fighting to preserve their country and territory meant more harm than good?

    And what do you suggest Ukrainian should do instead? :)

    May be you can provide an angle which I failed to see?

    xoxo: Who supply WEAPONRY to UKRAINE,which indirectly to my humble mind,is a way of encouraging Ukraine to keep fighting even if it means more harm than good for Ukranians themselves?

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  • BK:

    And only Chinese Chauvinists peddling lies. The US public opinion is against CCP not the Chinese ppl.

    “But what do Americans think specifically about China beyond a number that represents their opinion of the country on a feeling thermometer? To understand this, we asked them an open-ended question: “What’s the first thing you think about when you think about China?”

    We analyzed the first five references in each response and found that Americans rarely brought up the Chinese people or the country’s long history and culture.

    Instead, they focused primarily on the Chinese government – including its policies or how it behaves internationally – as well as its economy. Human rights, China’s economy and the country’s political system were referenced most by Americans, coming up among 20%, 19% and 17% of respondents, respectively.”

    https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2021/06/30/most-americans-have-cold-views-of-china-heres-what-they-think-about-china-in-their-own-words/

    “Some of these responses were positive, highlighting China’s extensive economic growth. For example, one 28-year-old man said, “China’s accomplishments can’t be denied.

    Quality of life for the Chinese people has dramatically improved over the last five decades.” Others were factual in nature, describing China’s “rapidly expanding economic system,” the ubiquity of products “made in China” or the fact that China’s economy is one of the largest in the world.”

    In a democracy, everyone is allowed to think, within the space of govt or elite propaganda there are push back. Any of these Chinese Chauvinists have alternative CCP views? Zilch! Why? Coz to them CCP are Gods. Who is brain washed? Clowns. But then it is obvious , just stupid ppl.

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  • xoxo:

    When things are self-evident,you just need to open your eyes n mind to see.
    I am offering my own opinions on what i see n observed.
    I am not here to argue with anyone.
    Everyone here is entitled to his/her opinions and no one monopolies or shud attempt to do so.
    I am agreeable to anyone here disagreeing with me.Go ahead,by all means.
    All i can say is it is Ukraine n Ukrainians who bear the brunt of such a *proxy war* between so-called democratic angmohs n russian commie angmohs.

    Do you see Nato/US help in sending troops?
    Why just weapons?
    What repercussions are they afraid of?
    N.A.T.O.?

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  • Western Sheep:

    As usual, Blur Kuku swallowed another piece of western propaganda and regurgitate it as the truth.

    As he self-described earlier: Laughable simpleton vomit of western propaganda.

    BK: And only Chinese Chauvinists peddling lies. The US public opinion is against CCP not the Chinese ppl.

    “But what do Americans think specifically about China beyond a number that represents their opinion of the country on a feeling thermometer? To understand this, we asked them an open-ended question: “What’s the first thing you think about when you think about China?”

    We analyzed the first five references in each response and found that Americans rarely brought up the Chinese people or the country’s long history and culture.

    Instead, they focused primarily on the Chinese government – including its policies or how it behaves internationally – as well as its economy. Human rights, China’s economy and the country’s political system were referenced most by Americans, coming up among 20%, 19% and 17% of respondents, respectively.”

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    nathan chen:
    @ the forgottongeneration.
    Putin is not buffing.The threat to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine is highly probably. This observation comes from Zelensky.Most likely, it will also be Putin who fires the first salvo.The war in Ukraine is an unjust war, after all. Putin does not care. He thinks the Ukraine war is winnable but for the weapons sent to Ukraine by the the US,the EU countries and the breakaway states from the defunct Soviet Union. Putin wants revenge.

    Putin is desperate – period. Sure, there is no guarantee what a desperate or crazy person CAN do. Just look at Trump – imbecile! These clowns want self-glorification, and with that comes murder, lies, revenge,…. whatever it takes to have their glory.

    Can’t really blame Zelensky. He have to believe anything is possible for Ukraine to survive. And Ukraine is probably kicking itself now for handing back all the Soviet nukes to Russia when it broke away from the Soviet bloc.

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    BK:

    In a democracy, everyone is allowed to think, within the space of govt or elite propaganda there are push back. Any of these Chinese Chauvinists have alternative CCP views? Zilch! Why? Coz to them CCP are Gods. Who is brain washed? Clowns. But then it is obvious , just stupid ppl.

    Well, their system did produce those that are taught to think that the Apollo moon landings were complete fakes …..

    On the other side on democracy, it has allowed clowns like Trump to become the POTUS.

    And what is in-between has produced the highest paid pig that couldn’t fly, even when given a super-long runway. The world is so confusing, hor?

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  • Temusik Patriot:

    China had Always been A Warring State of Affairs…until Foreign Powers begun to drill into their borders n people…Today UNITED it STAND no 2 ways about
    it…Wimbowe…the Lion no longer sleeps and is Wide AWAKE and its ROAR will Resound around the world

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  • xoxo:

    Strange that chauvinistic people stupidly brand others as such.
    Arrogance is disruptive.

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  • xoxo:

    Just one simple example that everyone,including those angmophiles who call others stupid.
    WHEN ANGMOHS SAY MUST WEAR MASK,ALL STUPID MONKEYS STARE AT THOSE WHO DONT.
    NOW,ANG MOHS SAY NO NEED TO WEAR MASK,THE SAME STUPID ONES WHO STARE AT THE NON-MASKED LAUGH AT THOSE WHO STILL WEAR A MASK FOR PROTECTION?

    So,CHINESE CHAUVINISTS STUPID?
    ANG MOH WORSHIPPING CHAUVINISTS CREVER,VERY CREVER leh?

    Wisdom is lacking here.
    Only fools think others more stupid than themselves,dont they?
    SAME SAME AS GENERAL UMBRAGE !

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  • BK:

    theforgottongeneration: Well, their system did produce those that are taught to think that the Apollo moon landings were complete fakes …..

    On the other side on democracy, it has allowed clowns like Trump to become the POTUS.

    And what is in-between has produced the highest paid pig that couldn’t fly, even when given a super-long runway. The world is so confusing, hor?

    Yup bro. Is confusing but we are not confused. No Apollo Landing ppl are definitely in a dystopia world of swimming in confusion while being confused, sure sink.

    The point is, US can always survive Trump, but I think he isnt as bad as the US press made him out to be, funny enough with regards to Trump, the No Apollo ppl will shallow all the West said.

    But can China survive a Trump? Xi is what is called a single point of failure, whereas, US powers are more distributed. Cheers dude!

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  • I_am_Mike:

    @ xoxo

    Ah, so you do not wish to argue.
    We ain’t arguing if you didn’t thought so.
    It’s sharing and making sense to our perceptions and understanding.

    Thus, if you are the citizen of one of those NATO nations or US citizen, would you like joining the war personally (oh, not to mention there are ‘volunteers’ joining), fighting on foreign land in an invasion? That’s one of many reasons why Russian soldiers are having such low morale.

    Weapon support alone, Putin already finding it hard to manage, what do you think?

    Thus, do you expect a country should just roll-ovet and play lovely, without support in face of an invasion? Ain’t 2014 Crimea enough? And aggressor should get their way?

    Share, not argue. If i may.

    xoxo:
    Do you see Nato/US help in sending troops?
    Why just weapons?
    What repercussions are they afraid of?
    N.A.T.O.?

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  • Not so simple:

    If Singapore gov were to kill people from a certain race, do you think surrounding countries will look away?

    People who cannot think deeply are conned.

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  • Talkcock lah:

    You also very talkcock.
    The west have been sending arms before this war. They will definitely send more arms if Russia withdraw. You think if Russia withdraw, Ukraine will become a demilitarised country?

    Zhenzidan: Talk cock lah! If Russia withdraw from all captured areas, US won’t be send arms again.

    Tech: You are not wrong, question is, will Russia withdraw from the war and make itself look like a bloodied fool on the world stage?

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  • Western Sheep:

    You keep talking nonsense with fake data.

    “Washington’s attempts to incorporate Ukraine into NATO after the collapse of the Soviet Union were not prudent, former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger said on Friday.”

    Has Kissinger become Chinese? Is he working for China propaganda?

    NATO has 80,000 troops? Very stupid fake data! Don’t even understand what NATO is.

    It’s impossible to argue with people who come up with fake data, either intentionally or ignorantly.

    myfirstscrew: The Chinese propaganda:

    1. NATO is the cause – at the border of Russia and NATO and few more small countries, their total strength of army is less than 80000 troop. Why would NATO countries with such low strength want to invade Russia with 1M soldiers?

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    BK:

    But can China survive a Trump? Xi is what is called a single point of failure, whereas, US powers are more distributed. Cheers dude!

    Yo bro, totally agree on that. The bad thing about too much democracy (freedom?) is that it allows to many deviating camps. The good thing is there will be a counter-balancing group(s) to nut cases. No chance of that in autocratic systems. Just IMO. Stay cool, man.

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    xoxo:

    Do you see Nato/US help in sending troops?
    Why just weapons?
    What repercussions are they afraid of?
    N.A.T.O.?

    At least you have make more clear your line of thinking/argument. Apparently you also dun follow the news much – the first 3 points are easily answered by various news, sources and reports. Even common sense.

    The last point shows you have little concept about modern warfare. Sending billion$ of arms, teaching the Ukrainians how to fight well after 2016, providing C4I support to Ukraine, etc …. those are N.A.T.O, meh? You think still WW1 warfare where participants must show up in the trenches?

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  • Soccerbetting2:

    Ukraine war is good for China benefits.So what incentives will China gain to help Ukraine end the war.Russia will need China help,so will benefits China with cheap energy sources and China happy with Ukraine war to continue.Decades later,China can help to rebuild Ukraine and so has a lot of construction projects earning good money ftom Ukraine.So why help Ukraine end the war?

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