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Peddling Fear

China has 1.3B population. If Covid-19 (CV) death rate is 0.3%, 3.9m death expected If death rate is 0.1% 1.3m death.

The death numbers may look huge but it’s actually within the normal death rate.

Only those Western and SG will try to peddle FEAR, just like what they did when sudden massive CV death happened in India just to sell their own Vaccine (V) which they claim “superior”!

That’s utter rubbish. China may achieve even lower death rate as compared to US or any other European countries even without their V products because:

1) numerous studies have shown that the old V technology which the Chinese V used can protect better.
2) The current version of CV has become milder.

Follow the “Science” they say, not the Fear mongering & Koyok sellers!

Well, SG and these highly V Western countries should focus on their high Excess D rate instead! We know why, they refuse to know why.

 

Goh Meng Seng

 

 

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49 Responses to “Peddling Fear”

  • opposition dude:

    Don’t know about China’s vaccines doing a better job but this has again shown us all that not only is Covid here to stay it’s here to spread relatively harmlessly amongst most of us. Hong Kong being a great example. Closing off their borders until they couldn’t take it anymore, Covid let in, spread amongst the elderly and loads dying daily, elderly rushing to get vaccinated. Same scenario in China now.

    One can be stubborn but one cannot escape reality. Zero Covid is going bye bye and China has to get used to living with the virus just like the rest of the world. What they can do is improve their vaccines to have efficacy as good as the 2 leading ones or, even better, have a vaccine with great efficacy and no side effects.

    It may take a while for China to let the virus spread freely amongst its population what with no lockdowns as they loved to do previously. Just wait and see how 2023 goes for them lah.

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  • A vaccine is supposed to prevent infection. Whatever mRNA or inactivated kinds DO NOT prevent infection, so it technically NOT a vaccine, so time to cut the crap about this vaccine and that vaccine.

    Anyway, with the relaxation of policies on the C19, my wife (unvaccinated like me and 35+ years old) got the C19 about 4 days ago. She had sore throat and fever (38.7) and that was confirmed by a self-test ART. We did not see a doctor because the hospital is now a very dangerous place with hundreds of multiple infections, including doctors and nurses.

    So I called the specialist attending to me and she advised to give wife Panadol Extra (I imported from HK some months back), Azithromycin Tablets and LianHua QinWen (both available in China but very short supply now). She recovered on the 3rd day and we went for an ART test at the hospital on the 4th day to be sure, both of us tested negative. During the 3 days that she was sick, I only took Panadol extra to prevent fever and only once did I hit 37.3 and then it went down the next day.

    Funny thing is, I took no specific precaution to safeguard myself against my infected wife and we even slept in the same bed, but somehow, other than the constant headaches (cold weather worsen it) and weakness in my limbs (already so after the stroke), I felt nothing.

    Could it be the negative ions generator I installed in my reading room and on 24/7/365, which is said to be able to kill viruses and enhance body’s immune system? I DIY the generator a few months back after reading what it can do. lol

    Does this prove that the unvaccinated can fight off the C19 better than those vaccinated? lol

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  • Just Saying:

    The worthless shepherd: his right arm shall not have strength, right eye is blind (refuse to see)

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  • Continue total lockdown, pls.:

    Bye bye to zero policy?

    Living with the virus?

    No way, no way!!!

    Since vaccines are not vaccines, lockdown, complete lockdown indefinitely is the only solution because lives are invaluable and irreplaceable!

    Tech: Err… lockdowns are not completely ruled out. My understanding is that they are still assessing the latest policies and if it gets out of control, then future lockdowns are not ruled out. As for the Zero-C19, I don’t think it is possible now at this late stage with mass infection in every city that is not on lockdown.

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  • The Last Mohican:

    Finally… finally …finally, all China lovers like TKL and GMS are realising that it was really stupid for China to do Zero-Covid for so long.
    Every country that tried it failed.
    It is Man vs Virus.
    Virus win whatever your skin colour, whatever your political ideology.
    It is not about democracy vs authoritarianism.
    If you act based on evidence, you make better decisions.
    If you distrust mRNA just because you hate the West, you make bad decisions.
    After all you do not distrust the microchips in your handphones because you hate the West.
    Yes microchips and EVERY other technologies that you are using were invented in the ”hated” West.
    You use them despite your hatred for the West; because they work.
    Why should mRNA be different?
    BEWARE OF PROPAGANDA from authoritarian regime!
    ….”’Beijing crematoriums strain under China Covid wave””…
    ….”’China has only reported nine official deaths from Covid since mid-November, despite logging more than 10,000 daily infections since then.

    There were no Covid deaths reported nationwide between May 28 and November 19.”..

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  • idontbelieveinccpbs:

    GMS, TKL and TR Tech are very pro CCP supporters, they write all kind of responses and articles to show support.

    GMS, before you write, use your brains can u? It is on the basis of death, China insists on Covid 0 and its very strict policies on testing and isolation. And TR Tech die die supports Covid 0…. And after the recent protests, China has loosen up on isolation and testing leading to huge jump in cases and death. But of course, now they can rest and recuperate at home.

    So who is peddling fear? Please use your brain.

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  • Someone told me that despite the relaxation, if someone is tested positive and still goes to work, kenna catch will be dealt with one, is this the same as in SInkieland where living with the virus means can go anywhere, infected or not?

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  • myfirstscrew:

    Singapore also let citizens choose what to take, isnt it?

    Whether Western vs China vaccines, it does not concern us nor China. They do what they think its good for them. We do not interfere with their decision.
    Chinese is not using western vaccine, why u bother? No one is forcing them to buy or use.

    China is peddling fear, same as TR Tech damn worried so that citizens have to follow Covid 0. So how? Did you ask China while it is peddling fear?

    So now, they are loosening up and trying to play down the fear and living with the virus? So if it is not Covid 0, how? You, TKL and TR Tech will be damn angry with CCP?

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  • ah seng:

    Many of my friends are infected but already recovering at home in China. Yes, they did not die but more and more are coming to terms that it is just FLU. And yes, more old folks have passed on but the rate isnt alarming to indicate a crisis.

    So China is going to live with virus or still want to go back to Covid 0?

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  • so how:

    WAH… China going to lift its long standing and highly unpopular Covid 0???!!!

    So how? TR Tech is going to be damn angry with CCP, is he going to Tianaman Square to protest?

    Is CCP admitting its Covid 0 is not sustainable? And now follow the west??? LOL

    https://sg.bullshitter.com/news/covid-19-explode-china-could-110010078.html

    China is likely to see an explosion of COVID-19 cases in coming weeks, experts say, as the country lifts its long-standing and highly unpopular zero-COVID-19 policy.

    China is extremely vulnerable right now because its population – especially older adults, who are the most likely to suffer severe disease – is undervaccinated, has no natural immunity from infection and a limited supply of treatments.

    Experts predict hundreds of millions of infections and as many as 1.5 million to 2 million deaths.

    “I think China is going to blow in the next six to 12 weeks,” said Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, in a Thursday webinar. “Instead of falling off a 5-foot cliff, we’re going to watch them fall off a 1,000-foot cliff.”

    A raging epidemic in China could be bad news for controlling the virus in the U.S., he and other experts said, because travelers will arrive sick and the chances of mutation increase anytime a virus infects a lot of people.

    Tech: Another vaccinated crap.

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    @ So how

    Dont worry about it. They wont report the true figures.
    If covid trigger e.g. heart failure or others , just classified as heart failure death and not by covid.
    Covid death will be zero.

    Anyway Xi already declared victory over covid. Previously still have award ceremony for all this 鍾南山 or whoever others.

    Tech: This is one part you are so very wrong. I know for a matter of fact (from various doctors I spoke to) that the Chinese are much more honest with their death classification than Sinkieland. If Covid causes the heart attack, or whatever, it will be classified as Covid related, certainly not due to weather change.

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  • idontbelieveinccpbs:

    Since the relaxation rules…Covid is spreading fast in China, most of my friends got it and now staying home to recover.

    I am sure our friend TR Tech is now very worried and scared to be infected.

    Tech: Thank you for your concern. Matter of fact is that my wife already got it and has fully recovered within 3 days. As for me, both our tests at the hospital on the 4th day show negative, so I will have to continue worrying. lol

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  • unvax:

    @TRE Tech
    Continue our discussion on “Crowdfunding for costs awarded against CA litigants (revisited)” here, since you moved part of your comment here. And you removed part of your comment, like I was talking to the air.

    “In the case of air ionizers, these negative ions aren’t naturally occuring, but instead are created through a method called “electric-discharge”.
    During the process of electric discharge, the negative ions that are produced may give off ozone, which can be a very harmful and toxic gas.
    Any man-made high-energy particle, like a negatively charged ion can generate ozone as a by-product of the molecular reaction.”
    “what’s the difference between ionisers and ozone generators?” The main difference is that ozone generators deliberately produce ozone, whereas ionisers can sometimes produce ozone as a by-product.”

    “Negative ions are beneficial for the human body while positive ions are harmful.”

    Tech: Yup, positive ions generate more ozone than negative ones and should not be used for a prolonged period of time, negative ions is more helpful to the body as a whole. I used positive ions for my kitchen only to be on at night wee hours and negative ones in my reading room for 20 hours a day.

    So far so good, at least I did not get Covid-19. lol

    https://guardianlv.com/2020/03/negative-ions-protect-the-bodys-immune-system-against-coronavirus/

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  • xoxo:

    Fear is a disease itself,sometimes worse than physical illnesses.
    If fear cant work,then CON?

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  • Western Sheep:

    Where is this covid explosion that western sheep bleat about?

    https://news.cgtn.com/news/2022-12-18/Chinese-mainland-records-2-097-new-confirmed-COVID-19-cases-1fR9Ytc5Ec0/img/d1e51c25f60347638c70fa06b3c03ad1/d1e51c25f60347638c70fa06b3c03ad1.jpeg

    It’s only 5k on Dec 5th, dropping steadily until 2k on 17th.

    Western media play up the fear, and western sheep follow along.

    Tech: Dio dio, compared to Sinkieland, 2000 out of 1.5B a day is sup sup the water, no?

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  • idontbelieveinccpbs:

    So now China abandons Covid 0 and decided to live with the virus like rest of the world?

    Our TR Tech is chui tak lan? LOL

    Tech: You are damned childish, who am I to have any say in China’s policies. Normal Humans adapt to the environment, but Sinkies like you expect the environment to adapt to you?

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  • You Dr?:

    Great. When your friends from far away get covid, the first thing they do is to call you.

    idontbelieveinccpbs: Since the relaxation rules…Covid is spreading fast in China, most of my friends got it and now staying home to recover.

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  • For those who mayu be interested in what is happening in China now, here’s an update for the city I am currently based in.

    No doubt the infection figures have soared and most shops are closed because once you are infected, you CANNOT leave home or go to work. Those caught working may be fined, including the employers.

    Anyway, most of the infections are mild and some don’t even medicate, they rest at home for a few days and then recover from it. Those with high fever and throat infection can go to the hospital for medication or buy their own meds (if they can, supply is very short).

    The latest is that the Chinese authorities have just announced that cities will be providing FREE medicine for those who choose to medicate at home and the condition is not serious. The medication is good for 3 days usage (the time most would heal). The medicine is for fever, cold and sore throat.

    Those who require the medication can produce ID and collect it at ANY pharmacy in the city.

    So far, most I know have chosen to medicate at home and doctors I know have said that the hospital resources are not taxed, but some of her colleagues have fallen ill, so slightly short of staff.

    As an aside, my wife was down with the C19 5 days ago and has since recovered by self-medicating at home (regime of Panadol extra for cold and LianHuaQinWen). As for me, the latest self-ART shows negative for yesterday. lol

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    Already said real figures wont report one lah.
    The rest can save waste time and energy.
    If compare to all other countries, even just HK and Taiwan only; it doesnt add up right.
    If China so dot kong, why the 3 years lock down ?

    Tech:Another childish joker. Now China encourages those infected to stay at home, no need to report to the authorities. How then you expect China to publish the “real figures”, you mean Sinkieland publishes the “real figures” meh?

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  • idontbelieveinccpbs:

    Tech: You are damned childish, who am I to have any say in China’s policies. Normal Humans adapt to the environment, but Sinkies like you expect the environment to adapt to you?

    You cannot debate with TR Tech, his deep love for CCP is beyond. We already knew there is no way to beat this virus, and Nordic countries chose to live with it from Day 1 and did not suffer much loss. Singapore and many countries tried to act smart but in the end, after massive losses also chose to live with it. TR Tech so adamant about China’s resolution to keep Covid 0….

    Now he said this? Adapt to environment? Bro, you a joke or not…… so many people tell you from the start, u so freaking iron teeth…….chui tak lan u…..

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  • Kiasu:

    If Singapore has the same system (take medicine and rest 3 days), 4 million will Q for it. No need MC can rest, who don’t want. Chiong ah.

    PAP mandate strong:
    Already said real figures wont report one lah.
    The rest can save waste time and energy.
    If compare to all other countries, even just HK and Taiwan only; it doesnt add up right.
    If China so dot kong, why the 3 years lock down ?

    Tech:Another childish joker. Now China encourages those infected to stay at home, no need to report to the authorities. How then you expect China to publish the “real figures”, you mean Sinkieland publishes the “real figures” meh?

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  • unvax:

    @Tech
    I think she is sad, SSS…
    I didn’t go to count the stools outside the clinic today, so I won’t know how many cased there will be tomorrow.
    Weekly report of 7 Dec was delayed and came out together with that of 14 Dec.

    12/12/2022 3 stools + 1 patient (should be 2-3k on 13/12/2022 using previous experience as reference, reported as 1,817)
    07/12/22 104 889 993 (PCR, ART, Moving Average Local Cases)
    08/12/22 103 902 1,004
    09/12/22 111 906 1,017
    10/12/22 107 916 1,023
    11/12/22 110 921 1,031
    12/12/22 111 912 1,023 (suddenly dropped, PCR increased, weird?)
    13/12/22 113 895 1,008 (dropped further, PCR increased further, weird?)

    From JHU CSSE COVID-19 Data
    03/12/22 1,052 (Sa)
    06/12/22 1,817 (Tu)
    07/12/22 1,349
    08/12/22 1,363
    09/12/22 1,343
    10/12/22 1,102
    11/12/22 902
    12/12/22 740
    13/12/22 1,817 (Tu) same as 06/12/22, weird?
    17/12/22 1,052 (Sa) same as 03/12/22, weird?

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  • unvax:

    Correction: cases. I checked so many times. Weird.

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  • Western Sheep:

    Nobody can debate with you, who until now still believe that US has not killed anyone in Asia since WW1.

    idontbelieveinccpbs: You cannot debate with

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  • unvax:

    unvax:
    December 18, 2022 at 12:11 pm (Quote)
    @TRE Tech
    Glad to know that both of you are safe. I didn’t take any medicine when I had COVID, I would take Panadol if I had high fever, if my body temperature was above 38 degrees.
    I once worked in biomedical field, I’m familiar with the smell of ozone. I found the supermarket installed ozone generator. When there were many customers and staff in it, I smelt a strong smell of ozone, and had headache. I asked the staff if they smelt anything, they said no, it’s olfactory fatigue. They were in danger without knowing it. But they switched the ozone generator off as I requested. After this happened several times, I called their area manager, then I didn’t smell ozone again, until one midnight, when I went to the supermarket. There were not many customers, but there were still young staff working in it. For their health, I called NEA, HDB. I thought the problem was solved, but recently I smelt ozone again in the afternoon. I think I have to call again if I see the generator is on as the evidence.
    “Potential link between ozone and recurrent stroke”
    “Study: Ozone pollution may be linked to a type of bleeding stroke”
    I also found UV lights shining above people’s heads in the supermarket to attract flies and mosquitos. This problem was easily solved by a cardboard blocking the UV lights.
    I live in Tanjong Pagar GRC near Commonweath MRT station, I heard announcement was broadcasted in dialect that I don’t understand.

    NEA 23 February 2021
    “Technical Guidance On The Use Of Gaseous Ozone Against COVID-19 Virus”
    “Ozone is a strong oxidiser which can kill microorganisms and viruses effectively. It has been used for treatment of water and wastewater since the early 1900s, though the use of ozone for disinfection of surfaces and air is less established. In recent years, some ozone generators have been promoted as air cleaners for use in occupied spaces. However scientific evidence shows that ozone concentrations that are within safe health limits are likely to be ineffective for disinfection and the use of any effective ozone concentrations must preclude the presence of people and pets, including fish.”
    “Ensure no personnel in spaces where ozone is released or expected to be diffused to. A risk assessment should determine whether occupants in adjacent spaces may remain. Should there be occupants in these adjacent spaces, they should be alerted on the disinfection work, be advised on potential exposure risk and be provided with safe evacuation protocols.
    Provide monitoring devices that are able to continuously monitor ozone levels. If the levels in occupied spaces exceed 100 ppb (15 mins) or 50 ppb (8 hours), operators and/or occupants in these and adjacent spaces should be evacuated and ozone generation should be terminated.
    People with cardiac pacemakers or other electric implants are not permitted to enter premises with an ozone generation system.”

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  • unvax:

    Moved from “Crowdfunding for costs awarded against CA litigants (revisited)”

    Tech: You cannot “smell” positive and negative ions, I think you meant Ozone (臭氧), which can kill germs and take care of the smell, used widely in supermart, normally after shutter time because it is very pungent. I used both a positive and negative ion generator and there is no smell from it. It kills virus silently.

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  • Soccerbetting2:

    Watch this Tik Tok on covid -”https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS8YHpCUr/”

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    After watching world cup from playoff to quarter final then semi final and final. See all the players running all over the field after the ball.

    Any player collapse due to heart problem or heart inflammation or lung problem ? None !

    Formally i honestly shared my experience on my covid infection and recovery. You people believe or not i dont know. However This tech always negative then kpkb about what you want your loved one to kena then die or rather hysterically about covid affect underlying problem and that he’s one of them. Obviously, he kiasi. Ok fair, Human nature. But today your response upon your wife recovery experience sounds like …covid is nothing lah ! Aiyah What is covid ? Chicken feet lah ! Sup sup sui lah.

    KNN ! F U !

    Dont be complacent. You started being cautious then you be careful all the way. Maybe your wife kena the normal flu and not covid.

    Tech: I assumed you are referring to what I have posted, so I will answer you as follows: My wife’s infection is confirmed by the hospital which did the test, so no such thing as maybe. The fact that Covid-19 affects those with underlying conditions greatly is not what I said, it is by the experts all over the world. Again, mRNA vaccines do injure and kill, also not I say one. Finally, please mind your language, thank you.

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  • Soccer death:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballers_who_died_while_playing

    You want them to drop down everywhere you look? That situation would be extremely serious.

    According to this wiki list, there are soccer player deaths every year. What stands out is that the 2021 death (about 20) is the highest, and double the second highest (about 10). What happened in 2021? It’s covid and vaccine peak in the west. Mere coincidence?

    PAP mandate strong:
    After watching world cup from playoff to quarter final then semi final and final. See all the players running all over the field after the ball.

    Any player collapse due to heart problem or heart inflammation or lung problem ? None !

    Formally i honestly shared my experience on my covid infection and recovery. You people believe or not i dont know. However This tech always negative then kpkb about what you want your loved one to kena then die or rather hysterically about covid affect underlying problem and that he’s one of them. Obviously, he kiasi. Ok fair, Human nature. But today your response upon your wife recovery experience sounds like …covid is nothing lah ! Aiyah What is covid ? Chicken feet lah ! Sup sup sui lah.

    KNN ! F U !

    Dont be complacent. You started being cautious then you be careful all the way. Maybe your wife kena the normal flu and not covid.

    Tech: I assumed you are referring to what I have posted, so I will answer you as follows: My wife’s infection is confirmed by the hospital which did the test, so no such thing as maybe. The fact that Covid-19 affects those with underlying conditions is not what I said, it is by the experts all over the world. Again, mRNA vaccines di injure and kills, also not I say one. Finally, please mind your language, thank you.

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  • Soccerbetting2:

    Today ,I noted a cleaner very hardworking wiping the lifts of my block ,and this unusual for such wiping of the lifts are rare and few.It make me wonder covid cases are now rising behind the scene.

    Tech: Sinkies are used to 1000s of infected per day, infect, cure, reinfect, what’s new even if cases reached 10000+ per day, they will happily embraced it, no?

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  • xoxo:

    @TRE Tech
    Good to know both you n your wife are well now.
    Covid affects everyone n anyone,even the rich n haughty.
    Vaccination does not mean no infection.
    And,angmoh themselves say mRNA can cause many health issues even if it can temporarily manage Covid with REGULAR RE-INJECTION$$$?

    The world is being blindly led by angmohs who think they are *gods*.
    Super Infectious diseases like Covid REQUIRE PROPER QUARANTINE N EVEN LOCKDOWNS WHICH MAY BE PAINFUL ECONOMICALLY BUT NEEDED FOR MEANINGFUL ARRESTING OF THE COVID SPREAD.
    If angmohs are so good(in true sense of the word)WHY AFTER BILLION$ OF $hots on HUMANS,NO REAL EFFECTIVE VACCINE IS FOUND YET?
    As for China’s vaccines,they are much less applied except for a few countries whose govts are wiser n take the less aggressive(riskier) approach.

    Go ask ANGMOH PHARMAs why they still cannot churn out a REAL VACCINE that does the job more meaningfully n SAFELY?

    ANGMOH TUA KEEs good,holy,the best?
    Only idiots think n say so.
    Bodoh is BODOH!

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  • @xoxo

    Top experts in China already warned that living with the virus will severely taxed the heath system and millions will be infected and die from it, but hell those who kenna locked down still want to cry father cry mother. Now they losing their parents, grandparents and loved ones due to the Covid, happy now?

    Loved ones no hospital beds, dying outside hospital, is it better than being safely at home but still alive?

    Not only that, postal delivery all stopped, ordered goods cannot reach destination because sorting centre fully contaminated and cannot operate, shops closed for weeks, banks cannot open because staff all infected.

    Those cities that are still sticking to the lockdowns and choose gradual opening up are lucky they don’t have to deal with all these. Both ShenZhen and BeiJing are the test case and the earliest to open up, so they are bearing the brunt of the pandemic now, health system fully taxed and people queuing for beds and mortuaries.

    Opening up really better than lockdown?

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  • Relax:

    @unvax
    “12/12/22 111 912 1,023 (suddenly dropped, PCR increased, weird?)
    13/12/22 113 895 1,008 (dropped further, PCR increased further, weird?)”

    Response: my two unvaxed friends went polyclinic after got covid, the elderly got PCR but the other one aged 50+ didn’t do PCR, just wondering why?

    Some vaxed people mentioned that after they got covid, there is recurrence of their old medical problems now(旧病复发). Just wondering do the unvaxed have the same problems?

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  • Soccerbetting2:

    Quoted by Tech -Quote-”Tech: Sinkies are used to 1000s of infected per day, infect, cure, reinfect, what’s new even if cases reached 10000+ per day, they will happily embraced it, no?”Unquote.

    Response :While I was at Watson this evening lining up to pay for my goods,I heard the woman behind me telling her friend loudly that her husband has contracted covid and she is worried.I told myself I must be having a bad luck day to have her behind me in the queue.Hope I don’t get covid from her !

    Tech: There is plenty of scientific evidence to show that viruses do NOT like alkaline medium and a person exposed to high dose of negative ions are akaline in nature, harder to contract viruses. Grab and DIY a negative ion generator and place it at home, I have been doing that since my stroke, funny thing is, my HBP is gone and I no longer need any meds for my HBP now. Do a search for negative ions and read up on it, just my suggestion.

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  • xoxp:

    @TRE Tech
    We can just hope the elderly vulnerable ones dont have to suffer unnecessarily.
    They can be the protesters’ aged grand-parents etc.
    All the best there in China.
    Have a blessed Christmas tide.

    Tech: The majority of those oldies and goodies that up the lorry are vaccinated with 2 doses, not all are unvaccinated.

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  • unvax:

    @Relax
    1. “the elderly got PCR but the other one aged 50+ didn’t do PCR”
    No idea who should do PCR, who shouldn’t. You may ask your friends. I only did ART at JOINT TESTING & VACCINATION CENTRES (JTVC) Commonwealth for VDS exemption, I didn’t see a doctor because of mild symptoms.
    My point is if the trend of PCR cases is increasing, the trend of ART cases and Moving Average Local Cases should also be increasing, as shown by previous data. While 7-day Moving Average of Local Cases is decreasing, Hospitalised Patients (in General Ward) have increased from 74 (17/12/2022) to 90 (20/12/2022).
    MOH
    “For the month of November 2022, local COVID-19 cases sequenced were all Omicron: 77% were XBB;”
    “Imported cases sequenced were also all Omicron: 31% were XBB;”
    Now XBB has another name Gryphon.

    2. “Some vaxed people mentioned that after they got covid, there is recurrence of their old medical problems now”
    You mean long COVID? My relative (received 3 mRNA jabs when contracting COVID, received another mRNA jab later, refused to be jabbed again) and I both suffer from long COVID, both had mild symptoms.

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  • unvax:

    @Tech
    “Do Ionizers Kill Viruses?
    Not exactly. Viruses are fragile existences, but a little negative electric charge generally will not kill them.”
    “some free radicals and reactive oxygen and nitrogen species can be generated by air ionization. The superoxide ion O2- is biologically toxic in the aqueous phase and is suspected to be involved in some cancers.”

    “negative ions is more helpful to the body as a whole”
    You mean benefits outweigh the risks? You are unvaccinated.

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  • @unvax

    You misunderstood me, I did not say negative ions kill the viruses, although it does to a certain extent. What I said was a person exposed to high level of negative ions makes the body unattractive for the viruses because viruses do not like alkaline environments.

    And please don’t go down the vaccinated bull of a shit, I choose not to be vaccinated and have not regretted it since. Even my wife is unvaccinated and she recovered within 3 days, the so-called vaccine simply does not work as far as I am concerned, because a vaccine is not a vaccine if it does not prevent infection. Since the relaxation of C19 policies in China, I have DIYed another 2 generators for our sitting and master bedroom.

    So far the negative ions work for me and I have been on it for 3 years, with one generator blasting 10m pcs/cm2 in my study 24/7/365. In fact, believe it or not, before my stroke, every time winter comes, I am always down with flu but since I installed the generator, I have not had flu for 3 years now.

    https://potentash.com/2021/11/19/benefits-negative-ions-body-health/

    Maybe there are other explanations other than those that I already know, but until then and proven otherwise, I will stick to negative ions for the time being because the current study on negative ions shows that it is helpful to the body, in particular the immune system. It is also cheaper than my HBP medicine (RMB 40 for 7 tablets) and I spent only less than RMB 200 putting one together.

    https://ionic-balance.com/blogs/news/physiological-benefits-of-negative-ions-on-the-human-body

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  • unvax:

    @TRE Tech
    I was referring to
    “I used both a positive and negative ion generator and there is no smell from it. It kills virus silently.”

    “I have not had flu for 3 years”
    It’s because of the masks?

    I won’t interfere with your decision, share another information.

    “Negative air ions (NAIs)”
    “Negative oxygen ions are the most commonly recognized NAIs. Reports showed that superoxide O2•− was a kind of NAIs. Among NAIs generated by natural atmosphere and the Lenard effect (waterfall), superoxide O2•− are the major negative ions.”

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  • What makes you change?:

    This not I say one, that also not I say one…….

    Chin kuai Hor, people say what you just follow Hor?

    What makes you change? You were not like that before!

    PAP mandate strong:

    Tech: The fact that Covid-19 affects those with underlying conditions is not what I said, it is by the experts all over the world. Again, mRNA vaccines di injure and kills, also not I say one. Finally, please mind your language, thank you.

    Tech: Unlike you, I form my opinion based on what true experts say and then apply some common sense. Anyway, what I believe in and what I do with it, is that any of your concerns?

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  • @unvax

    Aiyoh wei, you PhD must I draw everything for you then you understand, why so lazy cannot search online meh? lol

    https://111reviews.com/are-plasma-air-purifiers-safe/

    When you use “both a positive and negative ion generator” to generate ions, it becomes a Plasma generator, with the higher level of negative ions canceling the positive ions, and it improves cleaning and killing virus efficiency up to 99%. However, one of the side effects of such a generator is that it also generates Ozone as a by-product, that we all know is harmful to the human body.

    And as I have said, I use it only during the wee hours in the kitchen to clear the air and do the cleaning, since the ozone can linger in the air for hours, it is only on from 12 midnight to 6am.

    With the current scarry state of C19 looming in the city, I am thinking about moving back into the 2-story village house which we have (about RMB 50,000 bought 10 years ago) that is 5km from the city. The air there is much cleaner and has plenty of negative ions, so safer and more healthy environment.




    But since it is now winter, will have to do so only during summer when it is not so cold (even spring is cold here).

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  • Relax:

    @unvax

    Response: nurse told them “no need” without explanation when they asked.

    @”My point is if the trend of PCR cases is increasing, the trend of ART cases and Moving Average Local Cases should also be increasing, as shown by previous data.”

    Response: you are looking at moving average, so it depends on daily cases. The daily cases of PCR increased in some days but ART cases decreased. So it will affect the average but very slightly depends on the increment. If you looked at 19 and 23 of November, moving average of PCR increased but ART decreased.
    If there is “no consistent procedure” of PCR requirement, then I think the figures are meaningless.

    @”You mean long COVID?”

    Response: no idea, they said old medical problems which already recovered came back again.

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  • P Against People:

    We have been robbed, and are being robbed. Woodland used to be cheap but they squeeze 6 million in.

    TRE Tech: With the current scarry state of C19 looming in the city, I am thinking about moving back into the 2-story village house which we have (about RMB 50,000 bought 10 years ago) that is 5km from the city. The air there is much cleaner and has plenty of negative ions, so safer and more healthy environment.

    Tech: Errr… who did you vote for? lol

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  • unvax:

    @TRE Tech
    “I used both a positive and negative ion generator and there is no smell from it”
    “one of the side effects of such a generator is that it also generates Ozone as a by-product”
    These 2 seem contradictory.

    Tech: Nop, not contradictory at all when you understand the workings. Positive ions generate more Ozone than negative ones, so when both are used in a Plasma setup, Ozone is generated, although in lesser quantity to cause any real harm. The trick is to ensure that the number of negative ions generated should be significantly more than the positive one (by at least 20%). In my case, I used 10m pcs/cm2 for the negative ions and 6m pcs/cm2 for the positive ions, enough for the negative to cancel the positive ions while still able to do the job of killing and cleaning (most efficient when both pos and neg are used together). There is an abundance of scientific evidence and studies to support this. Again, since Ozone is generated in the process, I only switch it on in the wee hours ONLY in the kitchen, from 0000 hours to 0600 hours, as a precaution.

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  • unvax:

    @Relax
    “you are looking at moving average, so it depends on daily cases”
    “If you looked at 19 and 23 of November, moving average of PCR increased but ART decreased”
    I’m neither looking at moving average, nor looking at daily cases. I’m looking at the trend. Then how do you explain the increase in Hospitalised Patients (in General Ward)?

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  • higher cost trajectory:

    //We have been robbed, and are being robbed. Woodland used to be cheap but they squeeze 6 million in.//

    hahahaha. well, these are the consequences of open-leg policy (higher population) bidding over scare resources be it healthcare, transportation (SEE-O-Ee, etc), housing, etc, etc (made even more scare becos of competition ??) ??

    good for the white monkey idiots (ownself-check-ownself group of privileged kaki lang ???) who can sell their story on market price for this and that and building the reserves for the future (when high costs & open-leg policy already makes it tough for the present generations, what more to talk about the future ??) ?? just imagine the higher cost trajectory (Gee-Ass-Tee ???) lor ???

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  • Living with Virus:

    Living with Virus is the right policy as the alternative is economic disaster.
    However some measures need to be in place to reduce the death among those at risks and elderly.
    Sad but reality.

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  • Relax:

    @unvax:
    “Then how do you explain the increase in Hospitalised Patients (in General Ward)?”

    Response: Frankly, there’s a lot of puzzles to fix with limited information based on the figures provided.

    I tried my best to understand the figures and this is what I think:
    1) this “hospitalised figures” is accumulation figures of old cases plus new admission minus discharged (if I am not wrong), so increased in the numbers could be due to more daily admission or less daily discharged (there’s no daily discharged figures available).

    2) new hospital admission figures for 16 Dec to 18 Dec:
    26 (16/12), 14 (17/12), 29 (18/12)

    3) So I don’t see a link between “decreased in 7 day moving average of local cases” and “increased in hospitalisation figures”.

    4) just wondering if one person did ART and PCR on the same day, will it be recorded as (a)1 ART and 1 PCR or recorded as (b)1 ART or 1 PCR? If it is (a), then the local cases figures will be duplicated?

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  • unvax:

    @Relax
    1. Minmed 28 May 2021
    “ART kits are also significantly cheaper than PCR tests. ART does however have its limitations as it is a screening test. Any one tested positive will have to undergo a PCR confirmatory test. ART may also not be able to detect patients with low viral loads.”
    I assume if both ART and PCR are done, the case will be classified as PCR case, but I’m not sure.

    2. For BA.5 wave, Number of Local PCR+ and ART+ Cases peaked on 13/07/2022 with 25,978 cases. Active PCR+ and ART+ Cases Hospitalised peaked 1 week later on 20/07/2022 with 731 cases.
    For BA.2 wave, Number of Local PCR+ and ART+ Cases peaked on 22/02/2022 with 25,731 cases. Active PCR+ and ART+ Cases Hospitalised peaked 1 week later on 02/03/2022 with 1,442 cases.
    I assume the increase in Hospitalised cases came 1 week after the increase in 7-day Moving Average of Local Cases. The increase in Hospitalised Patients (in General Ward) from 74 (17/12/2022) to 93 (21/12/2022) should be correlated with an increase in 7-day Moving Average of Local Cases around 10/12/2022 to 14/12/2022. However, we saw a decrease in 7-day Moving Average of Local Cases from 11/12/2022 afterwards. This is weird.
    What’s happening in real world:
    zaobao 2022年12月21日
    发烧咳嗽非处方药需求增 卫生部:买药够用就好 避免浪费

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