We can get you the numbers, but you don’t need to know

I refer to this article on Today.

Basically, in Parliament on 6th January, the PAP declared that Singaporeans are getting more jobs, 60,000 local employment. Mr Pritam Singh requested for the specific number in terms of PRs and Singaporeans.

However, Mr Chan Chun Sing vehemently refused to answer that question.
1) Mr Chan deflected the question, and instead questioned Mr Singh’s need for accurate, factual data.
2) Mr Chan made a one-sided universal declaration that ALL Singaporeans are getting good jobs, and ALL Singaporeans are getting increased wages. And he did so by not providing numbers to back his claim.
3) Mr Chan insinuated that there should be no divide between Singaporeans and PRs. He might as well just say out loud there is no difference between a Singaporean and a PR.

My thoughts:
I think it is fairly disturbing that ministers and MPs can evade answering actual questions, and taichi their way out of it. We’re asking for factual numbers and figures! Not a grandfather story! Just answer the goddamned question!

Secondly, we are just supposed to just believe what Mr Chan says at face value, without any evidence? If you are so confident of what you say, you wouldn’t mind showing us the numbers, right?

As Singaporeans, we have the right to accurate and factual information. We cannot allow ourselves to be denied of the truth, just because some politician thinks it is not beneficial for us to know!

We have a right to demand full disclosure of such reports.

 

Angry Citizen

 

 

 

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57 Responses to “We can get you the numbers, but you don’t need to know”

  • Sinkie:

    Now, even if he does give the figure, it must be verifiable, as we no longer trust . .

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  • Public Sector:

    I am a Civil Servant. Total number of New Citizens working in PUBLIC SECTOR now is getting OUT OF HAND.
    Immigrants are here to create JOBS? Vikram Nair why no noise from you the Nigerian Scammer.!

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  • Asd:

    I think no need parliment anymore just demolish and build a castle

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  • Asd:

    Why hide and hide… show the facts and figures… it’s up to people opinion to make out of it… hiding means something very wrong… somemore ownself said drive a wedge so this is very clear sonething is wrong because why there be a wedge in the first place..

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  • Millionaires:

    PAP are all multi millionaires. You think they care whether you have jobs?
    Do what you think is RIGHT!
    Getting us to serve NS but letting Immigrants has all the Jobs and Housing is beyond our ACCEPTANCE.
    PAP Must be OUT!!

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  • TruBlu:

    Minister,whats wrong with giving the REAL NUMBERS?
    Isnt giving wrong numbers like LUMPING SGS WITH PRs a kind of FAKE NEWS M SHUD BE POFMA?

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  • WhyAfraidIfTellingTheTruth:

    So sick of this PAPs.
    Theh treat us citizens like annoying cranky children, to chide and brush away when questions
    are asked repeatedly.
    We have a right to know. They dont own our SG. We all have a stake in it.
    They see anyone who questions their actions as pest,to be swat and gotten rid off.
    We citizens should equally show them our disgust at their treatment and show them door this GE.
    Good riddance to bad rubbish.
    Enough is Enough.

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  • CCS the Bunny:

    ” As Singaporeans, we have the right to accurate and factual information”

    Absolutely !!

    There is only one way to achieve this : Vote for Opposition in the coming election. Period.

    PAP will never provide such information becos it will expose it’s organised crime against its’ own people through CECA and 10 million population target, which will have 60-70% of new citizens, who will keep PAP in power for many years to come.

    Singaporeans, please wake up.

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  • Dr. Chan:

    @Angry Citizen
    When the late honourable real President Ong asked for figures of the reserve. PAP said it will take 56 man years. What else do you need to prove that PAP is corrupt?

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  • NotMyProblem:

    I had worked in two different offices. One offices of 11 people, out of which, 1 Hong Konger, 3 Pinoys and 2 Malaysians.

    Another office of 6 people, of which, 2 Malaysians, 1 Myanmar and 1 PRC.

    All FTs were of executive position. It cannot be Singaporeans were unable or not welling to do these jobs.

    I give you the figures here.

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  • opposition dude:

    You want disclousre then we all have to make sure there are fewer monkeys and clowns in parliament after the next GE.

    The problem is, are the kiasees along for the ride?

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  • mike:

    So funny one, what is the point to be angry?

    Unless you think you can trust the person who you had voted for but turned out to be otherwise.

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  • Trust in Question:

    Request for a breakdown in employment numbers by the Opposition MP is not unreasonable. Specific numbers and details should be made transparient and unambigous. Job statistics matter to the people. They pose no threat to national security, although they may impact the outcome of the GE. Do not expect the people to trust the govt if they think it is hiding vital information from them.

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  • Ah so! you scholarship guy...:

    Chan Chun Sing had committed several logical fallacies of reasoning in his exchange of words with Pritam: Singaporeans are none the wiser over the issue…. and still losing jobs to many foreigners given PR status.

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  • Chin Chialat Singapore:

    CCS says, “can get the numbers”; “have nothing to hide” then why can’t he be transparent and just show the datas! It is just so simple to prove that the G really has nothing to hide and the G is honest.

    But if G refused to show the numbers then it’s not wrong for citizens to speculate that the datas are unpleasant for singaporeans and the non-singaporeans are getting the better paid jobs.

    Singaporeans are born and bred citizens of this land. Our forefathers helped to build this country. True blue singaporeans are supposed to do NS to protect sg. How could there be no distinction between citizens and PRs? Will PRs stay to fight for this country if sg is being attacked?

    Come every election, pap tells us to trust them. But if they cannot even show some datas that were asked of them, how could they still have the cheek to ask for trust?

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  • MOM Ask Them To Apply For PR:

    I have heard from some Indians that after working for a few months in Spore, our MON wrote to them to ask them to apply for PR.

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  • Aljunied voters insulted:

    This is a normal data that can be, and should be, public information.

    By denying the WP MP’s request, this minister insulted Aljunied voters.

    He also insulted the Singapore election system. People can elected MPs, but ministers ignore the MPs.

    Ministers ignore the Singapore people. Confirmed. Double confirmed.

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  • Gary t5:

    All this problem arises today because gov.last time ask people to stop at 2.wan

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  • Bapak:

    Question is – When a PR get deported which country he goes? Can a local be deported to another country here? So how can a PR be local?

    When a government is IndianCanBeMalay like this, it’s time to change government.

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  • Boh Kia See:

    It is obvious, that the PAP is feeling the heat and have no answer to the questions.

    If they can provide the numbers as they say they can, then provide it. It is as simple as that. So why argue about it? Obviously one can infer from the inability to provide the figures, that Singaporeans are being short changed and moved out from gainful employment in the economy.

    The only way Singaporeans are going to get the figures is to remove the PAP. There are a lot of information that Singaporeans are asking but have been rebuffed. Information such as the size of the reserves, Ho Jinx’s wages, CPF etc. Such information can only be obtained once the PAP is out of office. That is even before we talk about the economy. So there are many reasons why we need to remove them completely at the next election.

    I also think that Ho Jinx is sh*tting in her pants, and trying to be involved in international politics hoping to shore up support for the PAP. I think there will need to be an objective review and evaluation of Temasick after PAP is tossed out.

    By making sure that EBRC’s report is delayed, they are giving little time for the opposition parties to prepare for elections. So when the flood of vouchers and subsidies are announced in the Budget, the EBRC’s report will also be announced shortly. Election dates will also be announced soon after that.

    Opposition parties should commence campaigning and treat the whole island as one big constituency. Campaign should highlight the failed policies of the PAP and the anti-Singaporean policies initiated by the PAP. How these failed policies affect citizens and how it enriched the elites. As failed policies affect citizens equally, citizens will be able to identify with it. The same failed policies affect residents in Bukit Batok and it would apply to Aljunied.

    Citizens should not mention the old f*rt who was a trait**. In UK, nobody talks about Winston Churchill in debates and in the US, no politician cites John Kennedy or Abraham Lincoln now. When Singaporeans cease going back and referencing that old f*rt that will be the day Singaporeans will gain real independence mentally and emotionally.

    Also, don’t forget the history of the PAP. It is very possible that Operation Cold Store and Marxist conspiracy could re-surface under a different name.

    Still VTO the PAP

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  • Lacking accountability:

    Watch British Parliament in action and the rigours and questions put forth in Parliament . That what you call a first world parliament . They are able to do that there are sufficient number of opposition . Here is an attitude of arrogance and entitlement.. abusing their dominant position forgetting their duties is to first serve Singaporean’s and that yur salaries are all taxpayer monies . Every dollar they spent are public money — about time for all taxpayer to send CCS a strong message . Can’t answer the question or refusing to be accountable – deny them a seat in parliament will be yur sweetest revenge .

    CCS – every singaporean want to know how much is Mr Pinky wife salary – money which belongs to taxpayer . Give a straightforward answer . Be accountable !. Answer the question.

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  • most uselss:

    Taiwan voters rejected dictatorship…. tell me about Singaporeans?

    All these hiding and camouflaging of stats for so long, you think PAPpy want to tell you the truth that they are importing 10M to eat your lunch?

    Every day life, you cant see? Even my HDB flat now all Indians and Burmese…. MRT worst.

    6M, 800,000 PRs, how many thousands new citizens over last 20 years? How many work passes issued? You already know how alarming it is.

    PAPPY will not divulge these numbers to alarm 70%…. but it is so obvious that locals are now replaced and most are being self employed.

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  • most uselss:

    MY FT friends were invited to be PRs many times.

    I also saw cases where their first gen kids avoided NS since their parents became citizens.

    Singapore govt is going all the way out to woo and buy votes – 10M

    Singaporeans 70% still want to vote them.

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  • More PRs are employed!:

    By simple deductions, it means more PRs are having good jobs than Sinkies!

    More PRs are employed vis-a-vis Sinkies. This is the reason for not revealing the numbers!

    3 months down the road,they will reveal by employing more Sinkies…….equal?

    What Calvin what job he does?

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  • Be truthful:

    Hello, kee chiu. Ask you a simple question but you answered by beating around the bush.

    Who do you represent and look after, citizens or PRs? Why so scare to reveal? Something to hide ah?

    Pariahment is for asking questions and giving answers for the benefits of citizens. Do your job properly after collecting $million.

    Otherwise, fall out and look for another job outside, ok?

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  • Double standards:

    Trust in Question:
    Request for a breakdown in employment numbers by the Opposition MP is not unreasonable. Specific numbers and details should be made transparient and unambigous. Job statistics matter to the people. They pose no threat to national security, although they may impact the outcome of the GE. Do not expect the people to trust the govt if they think it is hiding vital information from them.

    How come can publicize $b to buy toy planes from Uncle Sam?

    Job number for sinkies cannot! Why, why?

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  • oxygen:

    THE RUBBER TIRE OF TRUTHS wears out faster on the road of lies.So why worry about PS and peasants need or need not know of information asked for?

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  • PAP CLOSE DOWN:

    Very much their style to evade certain questions. When they don’t answer, can assume they have something to hide and it’s normally unfavorable.

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  • Uncle Lim:

    It’s crystal clear the ruling PAP has something to hide. Therefore we can safely assume PRs got more of the jobs than locals. Maybe overwhelmingly so.

    Parliament is a law making body, not a body for half truths and deceit.

    PAP has tarnished the standing of our Parliament and reduced it to a joke: absent MPs, sleepy MPs, bored MPs, silent MPs, yes men MPs.

    If there’s a ranking for effective Parliament ours would be ranked at the bottom like our media.

    Why is the PM hiding behind his Ministers? Shouldn’t he be addressing such an important issue to the people of Singapore?

    He’s taking us for granted this Mr Lip Service PM.

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  • REGIME CHANGE is the solution:

    PAP’s lack of openness and transparency is one of the many compelling reasons for REGIME CHANGE.

    Throw out the PAP at the coming GE. Also, tell your family members and friends to do the same.

    PAP is a “spent force”. Time to bury it with LKY.

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  • REGIME CHANGE is the solution:

    PAP’s lack of openness and transparency is one of the many compelling reasons for REGIME CHANGE.

    Throw out the PAP at the coming GE. Also, tell your family members and friends to do the same.

    PAP is a “spent force”. Time to bury it with LKY.

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  • guru:

    This is not the first time that PAP minister can be truthful. Till today PAP has not been truthful the actual cost to build HDB flats. And actual subsidy given to Singaporeans to buy flats.

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  • ShunYewCum:

    Whatever yew cannot prove scientifically, empirically to be true is just a claim made.

    Eg. USA can claim it keeps printing money and how many dollars are in circulation.
    This can even be said to be Official figure. The FACT remains that it’s just a claim.

    GDP is a claim.
    Statistics are just claims made unless independently audited.

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  • Sinkie:

    This is very serious !

    Public Sector:
    I am a Civil Servant. Total number of New Citizens working in PUBLIC SECTOR now is getting OUT OF HAND.
    Immigrants are here to create JOBS? Vikram Nair why no noise from you the Nigerian Scammer.!

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  • I'm Halimah jiak liao bee:

    Such farking arrogance.
    This bloody boy scout should go back to the SAF cook house and learn some basic manners.

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  • Mr Kia Su will CHEAT:

    So Singaporeans voted them based on BELIEVING THE STATS AND FIGURES instead of full disclosure and independent audit?

    Then I will never hire a Singaporean accountant.

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  • Whose rep?:

    Is Chan a representtive of Sinkies or PRs?

    Is Speaker of Parliament not willing get Chan to answer Pritam’s question, but allow Chan to beat around the bush, wasting parliament’s time?

    Where did Chan get his education and schooling from?

    A low calibre chap like Chan can be a general in the SAF?

    What type of SAF can promote a chap like Chan?

    Is the Singapore parliament the same as the North Korean parliament?

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  • @ Most useless:

    Well we do have people like TKL and Uncle Chua and great asia ( just 2 name a few ) welcoming dictatorship.

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  • Truth Hurts:

    Questions not answered–
    1.Prez Ong TC 56-manyear question.
    2.MP Png Jinx’s salary question.
    3.Pritam Ftrash question.
    See a pattern?
    Why?–Truth hurts.
    Did Kee Chiu said we have you back or backs%^e; you decide.
    To the 70%—lets stay united and stuff our ostrich heads into the sand like what the papigs want; perhaps go celebrate ChinGay on tax monies.
    North Korea here we come.

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  • KiaSu will CHEAT:

    Can Hum K Chan survive if truth is revealed?

    Luckily the Zonks yet realise what is truth and what is statistic and independent audit.

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  • George:

    Khaw BW and Tan CJ are part of a regime that does not care for democracy or disclosure in Singapore, vote for opposition and VOTE THEM OUT !

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  • Bapak:

    If he works in an international MNC, with such kind of answer the Chairman will sack him straight away. No, he will never survive in the private. In fact, all of them will not. Won’t even be selected for an interview.

    Be truthful:
    Hello, kee chiu. Ask you a simple question but you answered by beating around the bush.

    Who do you represent and look after, citizens or PRs? Why so scare to reveal? Something to hide ah?

    Pariahment is for asking questions and giving answers for the benefits of citizens. Do your job properly after collecting $million.

    Otherwise, fall out and look for another job outside, ok?

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  • Pure Singaporean:

    Be truthful:
    Hello, kee chiu. Ask you a simple question but you answered by beating around the bush.

    Who do you represent and look after, citizens or PRs? Why so scare to reveal? Something to hide ah?

    Pariahment is for asking questions and giving answers for the benefits of citizens. Do your job properly after collecting $million.

    Otherwise, fall out and look for another job outside, ok?

    Do you know how to be a minister? You just know how to collect your million$ but unable to answer simple question? Otherwise ask your friend name barking Nair or some people call him nigerian scammer to help you. Look like you need help from a lawyer. Shame!!

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  • PAP.GUARANTEE.WIN.GE2020:

    most uselss:
    Taiwan voters rejected dictatorship…. tell me about Singaporeans?

    Hello Useless, you are right. Taiwan reject dictatorship and copy SG democratic laws.

    SG PAP is a democratic country unlike Taiwan who is moving tonever happen here.

    SG PAP is so democratic that even Taiwan Democratic Progress Party copy SG PAP strategy.

    Strategy copy by Taiwan DPP (民主进步党)as follow:
    1. DPP use parliament majority to pass ISA similar law. If you criticized DPP, you will be ISA’ed
    2. DPP do not develop area under opposition controlled. (like our Potong Pasir)
    3. DPP use country resources to campaign for election to DPP advantage.
    4. DPP appoint their own kaki (friends, family members, relatives) into position of high paying jobs. Yes, all have no experience for that fat paying position except relationship. (杨蕙如)
    5. DPP award contract worth millions to their own loyal kaki.(杨蕙如)
    6. DPP groom new young blood regularly.
    7. DPP start giving out drumstick when election is near.
    8. DPP develop and groom their internet brigade. (杨蕙如)
    9. DPP do not investigate their own kaki who took bribe.
    10. DPP make use of NCC to control all news media.

    Be a Proud Singaporean.
    Taiwan copy…

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  • NotMyProblem:

    Sinkie:
    Now, even if he does give the figure, it must be verifiable, as we no longer trust . .

    It’s alright, under POFMA, Ministers are allowed to lie.

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  • Singaporeans are laughable species.

    We laugh and scoff at Hong Kong people for fighting their rights, destroy public and private properties for them to bring their point across they don’t tolerate bullshit of government.

    But here we put so much hope thinking the election is fair. Singaporeans need to wake up their naive idea. Think about this , Not that implying that violence is good to remove government (perhaps that there is better way to remove this scam government), but simply state that given decades of abuse of power, billions of money unaccounted for (of course, we singaporeans know where the money gone to), putting law to protect and indemnify government officials, coverup here and there, what are the chances government will allow opposition party to win ? We see that presidential election already, so what’s there to doubt the monkey ability to cheat, trick and bullshit their way ?

    Do you still think the government still bother about election ? Can even drawn and plan boundary and consider themselves the cleanest of them all in whole world. What stopping them from putting fake votes, given they can give fake statistics ?

    And what’s more you have government who has the whole police, military, law , civil servants under them.

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  • WakeupSG:

    Pritam represented the people’s need to ask for data re breakdown in PR & Singaporeans’ employment statistics but CCS refused to answer his question.

    We cannot allow such display of arrogance!

    The case for POFMA to be justified re its existence is for ministers to provide facts & figures to safeguard the right use of POFMA.

    Till date POFMA has been abused by PAPpy monisters vs members of opposition parties!

    PAPpy plays dirty by withholding facts & figures & use POFMA against people when they differ in extrapolating for eg the 60k local employment (Singaporeans & PRs)!

    Vote wisely this coming GE2020!

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  • Prostate is a cheater:

    George:
    Khaw BW and Tan CJ are part of a regime that does not care for democracy or disclosure in Singapore, vote for opposition and VOTE THEM OUT !

    I wonder which 4G ever talk about democracy?

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  • 70% sheep ask for it:

    pap bugs bunny chan chun sing the kee chiu is not providing the data because either he doesn’t know or he knows and knowing the data tell a very bad story about pap PRs ain’t going to wake up 70% sheep.

    the solution is very simple.

    let more and more 70% sheep do NSF NSR yet jobless in own land of birth while ceca ah nehs S$1.5m condo and not yet converted to citizen, sooner and no later sheep wakes up.

    in other words, until sheep pain grows, sheep is going to be sheep and continue to vote pap for more misery.

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  • AristoCATs - got thing 2 hide?:

    Clear employment data are neutral. . .
    -
    The Q is straightforward.
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    The answer should be too. Unless, there is . . .
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    Remember the Ballot Box !

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  • MayJusticeBeServed:

    Arrogant s.o.b.
    Every puppy has its day..wait for yours,CCS.

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  • Pioneer:

    So, this is what we got if the people have decided to put all the (white) eggs in one basket, i.e.the 70% at the last GE were unaware of some rotten eggs thereat until it is too late. If the citizens continue to do so in this coming GE. then they would suffer in pain for another 5 loong, loong years to come.

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  • Too much monkey businesdms:

    Even if they provide some figures, how can it be verified when miws hold the keys to all the country’s vaults.
    Only way is VTO

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  • Too much monkey businesdms:

    Too much monkey businesdms:
    Even if they provide some figures, how can it be verified when miws hold the keys to all the country’s vaults.
    Only way is VTO

    Error…title shd read “Too much monkey business”.

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  • SingaporeAhSeng:

    Out of 60,000 local employment, 55,000 went to PRs.
    Even my MNC company employs young 22 years old Malaysian PRs at $6000 per month, and I was really shocked! The Singaporeans only earns $2,500. Is there something wrong, so much so, that Kee Chiu dare not reveal?

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  • the real soft threats:

    //Out of 60,000 local employment, 55,000 went to PRs.
    Even my MNC company employs young 22 years old Malaysian PRs at $6000 per month, and I was really shocked! The Singaporeans only earns $2,500. Is there something wrong, so much so, that Kee Chiu dare not reveal?//

    aiyoh. drips have already turned to tsunami ? the no. of of FTs (be it naturalized to sinkies, PRs, EPs or work permits) have already overwhelmed the no. of daft sinkies and they are now in good controlling and influencing important positions ? number is strength right ? only the garment & white idiotic positions are still ownself-check-ownself protected but slowly in times to come, they may also turn FT style lar due to natural attrition ?

    sinkie land likes to tok so much about strong defence against hard external threats but not forgetting the real soft threats (in terms of jobs and our way of lives) may have been compromised due to 6.9m or 10m open-leg policy ?

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