No to a 10 million population

The SDP launched our GE campaign with its slogan of 4 Yeses and 1 No. Within Day 1 of our campaign, we have already achieved victory on our call for the “no” to a 10-million population. At yesterday night’s televised debate, Dr Chee Soon Juan pressed PAP candidate Vivian Balakrishnan to categorically state that the government will not raise Singapore’s population to 10 million.

Dr Balakrishnan confirmed that the PAP would not raise the population to 10 million, not even 6.9 million. But he said that the SDP had raised a strawman argument because the PAP had never said that it would increase the population to those numbers.

In addition, Mr Heng denied this morning that the government ever targeted a 10-million population.

But the Straits Times reported that: “[Mr Heng] cited former chief planner Liu Thai Ker, who said in 2014 that Singapore should plan for 10 million people for it to remain sustainable in the long term.” (LINK)  The average person reading the report would conclude that Mr Heng was is, indeed, “toying with the idea” of a 10 million population as indicated by dr Chee.

Author Sudhir Vadaketh expressed a similar view and provided the transcript of Mr Heng’s comments on the matter. (LINK). So did ex-GIC chief economist, Mr Yeoh Lam Keong (LINK).

As such, we take strong objection to Dr Balakrishnan’s accusation that Dr Chee had raised a “strawman” argument. The idea of a 10-million population is not an SDP’s invention or imagination. It was first broached by Mr Liu Thai Ker, whom Mr Heng cited in his comments and reported by the Straits Times.

Mr Heng wrote in his FB today that the Straits Times had clarified that he did not say that “Singapore should plan to increase its population to 10 million people.”  In that case, he should take up the issue with the Straits Times who mention the figure in its report and attributed it to Mr Heng.

Now that Dr Chee has successfully extracted an assurance from the PAP that it has no intention of increasing the population to 6.9 or 10  million, we invite the PAP to tell Singaporeans what its target population is beyond the vague statement that it would be “significantly below” 6.9 million. Voters deserve to know.

 

Singapore Democrats

 

 

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26 Responses to “No to a 10 million population”

  • Hello grow sone cock hairs:

    Opposition candidates are wasting time talking about NCMP issue instead of going all out to fight fir seat .. PAP had hijack the election agenda by throwing this spinner. Hello boys – grow some cock hairs and do what a credible opposition should .. throw this NCMP scheme under the bus fast . Stupid to carry this conversation .

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  • opposition dude:

    PAP is very very cunning so they will of course most definitely say no 10 million population NOW. But give them 5 to 8 years and they will come out with another story and justifications on why we need 10 million. They will tell us everything plan very nicely, can move underground this and that.

    PAP says that the population will be significantly below 6.9 million but as usual, dares not state what this “significantly below” figure is. Will it be just 100k less than 6.9 million perhaps? You think people are THAT daft to believe your “significantly lower” figure just because you say ah?

    Look at it this way lah. The last reported figure was 5.8 million so we are JUST a mere 1.1 million away from 6.9 million. I don’t know about you but to me, significantly below would mean 5 million and below.

    And let’s be honest lah, you really think PAP won’t let in even more third world people after the election ah? You think they will stop at 5.8 million ah?

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  • President XI:

    The Pappies have NO INTEGRITY………..it clearly shows THAT THEY HAVE NO INTEGRITY!

    It’s just like the butcher who gives YOU DOG MEAT below the counter when you buy PORK!

    It’s time for Singaporeans to decide whether such a party is good for the country after dubiously dumped $100 billion mostly into

    Crony linked companies.

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  • trublu:

    5.8 million or 6.9 million or even 10 million ,what does matter is that the PAP HAS OVER-CROWDED THIS TINY RED DOT already!
    Can HSK OR VB DENY?
    LOOK AT HOSPITAL BEDS CRUNCH,MRT HUMANS JAM N BREAK-DOWNS,JOBLESSNESS AMONG QUALIFIED sg-PMETs,etc.

    Lawrence Wong as MND has spoken about building vertically underground,this n that to allow SG to have a BIGGER POPULATIO,HAS HE NOT?
    So,the inference of a much larger population could be fairly inferred,can it not,does it not?

    Why shud we DIG UNDERGROUND if current SPACE can absorb the current number in population size?
    It therefore is implicit that a larger population is being planned???

    WHY IS THE GOVT PENALISING SGS FIR DRAWING INFERENCES FROM THEIR PUBLIC STATEMENTS THAT LACK TRANSOARENCY LIKE JIB NUMBERS OF *LOCALS* IN IUR LABOUR FIRCE THAT INCKYDE SFS PLYS ORs???

    Why cant the govt furnish more transparentcstatustice to avoud public speculations in the first instance???

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  • Tremendous:

    Hello, that group has to find a lobang to bring CSJ down because they know that their negligent puppy cannot prevent a loss this time. The puppy though negligent has been extremely loyal.
    The other thing is for so long, there are public questions on 6.9m, 10m, and they did not communicate unequivocally enough. They are just waiting to spring this kind of surprise to distract villagers from real issues, including their stinky performance for disease outbreak.

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  • Numbers not important:

    The numbers is not important.
    What is important is to make sure every Singaporean has decent jobs and able to take care of their family basic needs.Not unemployed or underemployed like now.
    Also our elders are not to be so cash poor that they can’t even have a decent retirements when they are so old already…
    It is so shameful to see our Seniors still working and struggling to survive at back breaking jobs..when their body already bending down to earth…
    How can Singapore let it still happen among us ? where is our nation conscience?
    Maybe that why we have so many Covid-19 cases here …and need to spend $100B.

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  • Dr Tan Tai Wei:

    Heng, asserting that they weren’t over-crowding peoples, cited Liu, none less official than erstwhile government chief town-planner, in support, who had said that the city could have 10 million and would/should have that number longterm. Now, whether or no the 10 million was actually mentioned by Heng or in the ST report, surely the association to the number and probable government aim to reach it is fairly read by any political analyst with acumen for discerning innuendos beneath policy-testing sayings. Anyhow, not only SDP, but several others, and social media postings had for some time already been reading it thus. Government should have clarified, and not wait till GE to score points against Chee et al. Even if the reading were stretched, etc., a responsible (and not adversative) government would so act. Instead, these “4 or 5 G” people, whom Vivian represented, schemed to “gotcha” Chee on live TV, so as to themselves stretch the issue, trying to link it to hoary contentions, ie. their distant Party forebears’ smearings of Chee’s character, contentions of bygone days long before these 4/5 Gs ever thought of politics and public “service”, long before they had had to be persuaded and incentivised by, if not more, then not too much less money than what they got; for, by LKY’s own admission, we can’t expect succeeding leaders to have the commitment and sacrificial spirit to serve with any less.

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  • NotMyProblem:

    The “6.9 population white paper” prata is now flipped. Let’s wait for it to flip back!!

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  • Shirley:

    Just say no to increase in migrant population. So now is straits times published fake news or Heng flip his words. Vote in as many oppo as possible. Else we will still have 10 million or more population.

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  • Vote for change:

    THEY STOOP SO LOW TO HIT BELOW THE BELT DURING NATIONAL TV DEBATE BY DENYING THEIR PLANNED 10M POPULATION!

    https://www.onlinecitizenasia.com/2019/04/04/ura-releases-plan-to-build-underground-infrastructure-ready-for-10-million-population/

    HOW TO TRUST PAP! BEWARE THE WOLVES IN SHEEP’S CLOTHING WITH “COTTON COME FROM SHEEP”!

    VOTE IN MORE OPPOSITION PARTIES TO GET THE GOVT WORK FOR THE CITIZENS OF SG!

    NO MORE SUFFER IN SILENCE!

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  • PAP CLOSE DOWN:

    10 million?! Will people be living in boats at the Spore river and various longkangs? Some even have to live on rooftops?

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  • Soccerbetting2:

    *Reported on Straits Times :Quote – ”
    Heng Swee Keat on S’pore staying open: We don’t want a world where people build walls

    Finance Minister Heng Swee Keat with NTU Students’ Union president Edward Lim, who was the moderator at a ministerial dialogue at Nanyang Technological University. ST PHOTO: KHALID BABA
    PUBLISHEDMAR 29, 2019, 5:00 AM SGT
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    This will give them confidence to interact with people of all cultures from around the world
    Adrian LimPolitical Correspondent
    Singaporeans need to be open and understanding of foreigners – whether immigrants or workers and students from other countries -…..

    On the projected population of 6.9 million by 2030, set out in the Government’s 2013 Population White Paper, Mr Heng said the number goes beyond how densely populated Singapore would be. The social space is as important.

    Singapore’s population density is not excessive, he said, noting that other cities are a lot more crowded in terms of liveable space.

    He cited former chief planner Liu Thai Ker, who said in 2014 that Singapore should plan for 10 million people for it to remain sustainable in the long term.

    Giving an account of a constituent who was not comfortable with having foreigners working in his company, Mr Heng said there lies a “difficult trade-off” of integration Singaporeans have to make.

    “On the one level, many Singaporeans understand, rationally, we should have more people join us because our workforce is declining…” Unquote.

    Response :  Mr Heng should POFMA SDP post if he think they are wrong. From Straits Times news of Liu Thai Ker, who said in 2014 that Singapore should plan for 10 million, anybody will form the idea of 10 millions populations. Of course, the idea of 10 million is not stated/fixed at that time by Mr Heng. Obviously, 10 millions is reported out to inform people that Singapore is to recruit more populations coming then by citing a 10 million excess figure but the planning then is maybe probably 8 millions (artificial figure) or so. So next time again increase to 10 millions after 6.9 millions, people will not be alarm. Leeway sort ?

    I remember posting here. And this post is yo point of subject. Why TR Emeritus website can open subject matter but don’t dare to post my post out? It happen many times already. Don’t think people are so stupid. It is very obvious that some of those woman from ST is hiding behind TR Emeritus. If my post is incorrect, just do POFMA will do. Mo need to shamelessly do suspicious blocking, right? What is POFMA for?

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  • truth dare or lies:

    that sia suay cotton comes from sheeps oredy said he has no qualms bringing in planeloads more..so whos telling the truth.

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  • no reply at first:

    Some time back there was a rally at Hong Lim Park against the prospect of a 6.9m population. Did any Minister let alone The PMO issue a statement that the government had no intent for a 6.9m population, even for a certain number of years?
    So what can you conclude from this lack of official interest in putting the ‘rumours’ ‘speculation’ etc to rest?

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  • no rely at first redux:

    And when SDP revealed its 4N1Y manifesto prior to debate, why did the government not call out the 1N as falsehood? Sink the SDP platform at launch. Why after the debate when CSJ backed VB into a corner? You fill in the blanks.

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  • Hans:

    Thanks to Dr Chee. this is precisely why alternate parties is good for us all . one simple No to 10 mil people , immediately they said no to 10 mil as well. At least for now we can be sure. anyway these people cannot be trusted . Father said 55yrs old can withdraw CPF now Son said cannot withdraw .

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  • Too early to celebrate:

    No to 10 millions ok ?

    10 millions just a clear cut figure.

    What if not 10 but 11 instead ?

    What if not 10 but 9.95 or 9.1 ?

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  • AristoCATs - Fake News?:

    > “the PAP had never said that it would increase the population to those numbers.”
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    Can someone tag “fake news” on that?
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    Google “Population White Paper” . . .
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    Importantly, Google a speech by Inderjit Singh ex-MP
    who has deep business background,
    who spoke his mind about the paper in parliament.
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    Singh spoke eloquently about
    focus and
    assumptions of the paper – which NG.
    -

    Alas, The motion was passed by PAP MP s.
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    Now, they disclaimed it?
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    So, nothing much to do “going through parliament motion” then?
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    Remember the Ballot Box !

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  • Oo Pun Tah:

    Just like Cpf. 55 yrs old then 62 65 and knn yrs old. Never trust pap to run a decent democracy!

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  • oxygen:

    The 10 million population in quote of LiuTHaiKer’s postulate forward CANNOT be falsity of SDP or any other fabrication. II MUST BE IN HSK’s ‘EXCITED UTTERANCE” (published in PAPpy News Publishing, no less) if IT MUST HAVE BEEN RELEVANT to PAPpypolitics/PAPpynomics own calculus and planning assumptions.

    In courtroom evidence – unprompted “excited utterance” is NOT HEARSAY irrelevant HEARSAY rumour mongering or speculative conjectures BUT ACCEPTED AS HARD EVIDENCE OF REALITY FINDINGS OF FACTS in the law of evidence (much like the confession of a dying man or women who has nothing more to gain is hard evidence).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_utterance

    Remember also in 2011, after the Punggol by-election. PAPpypolitics rammed down the Population White Paper which has implied target population of 6.9 million by 2030. WHAT IS THERE TO REACH 10 MILLION in the next two decades from a base of 6.9 million reached/exceeded by 2030?

    There was a big protest rally at Hong Lim Park attended by thousands of protestors.

    WHO SAYS PAPpypolitics DOES NOT KNOW OF THIS FACT EXCEPT IH HYPOCRITICAL PRETENSION of denial now of political inconvenience or political convenience whichever way one wants to look at it?

    HOW COME PAPpypolitics silent on this until 2 days ago?

    PAPpypolitics can try as hard as possible to erase history of political events unfavorable to its legacy and undermine its own current political fortune rip-off, BUT REALITY OF PAST EVENTS CANNOT WALK BACKWARD.

    PAPpypolitics LIED WHOLESALE ON THIS 10 MILLION POPULATION ISSUE.

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  • SDP, probe further:

    SDP, please go one step further.

    You got the minister to go on record that Singapore population will never reach 6.9 million.

    Now, ask PAP to commit to totally resigning from Parliament if the population reaches 6.9 million during their time in gov.

    Please, get their answer on record!

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  • Unless Dr Balakrishnan is a DPM-designate or is minister in charge of population control, I really won’t put too much weight on his “promise” and “assurance”.

    Come one fine day when the population hits 7 million, he would probably said that he was over-ruled by someone much higher than him and he also lan lan.

    Since he may continue as Foreign Affairs if elected, he could also say he only in charge of PR, so what he said during this GE is only his own opinion as he is not privy to the details of pplanning.

    Dio bo?

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  • MarBowling:

    TRE Techie:
    July 3, 2020 at 8:31 pm (Quote)
    Unless Dr Balakrishnan is a DPM-designate or is minister in charge of population control, I really won’t put too much weight on his “promise” and “assurance”.

    Come one fine day when the population hits 7 million, he would probably said that he was over-ruled by someone much higher than him and he also lan lan.

    Since he may continue as Foreign Affairs if elected, he could also say he only in charge of PR, so what he said during this GE is only his own opinion as he is not privy to the details of pplanning.

    Dio bo?

    Response: see peh Dio. When a 2 Head Snake with Forked Tongue opens his CB Mouth, we are giving him face by believing 30% of what he has said!

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  • 3rd Time- Nobody Believe:

    To The PAP especially Vivian & Heng

    Your Tactic is to attack the character, Honesty and Integrity of Dr Chee Soon Juan. First time I believe, 2nd Time I may Believe and 3rd Time I totally don’t believe you anymore.

    So for heaven sake please change your tactic, KNNBCCB PAP

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  • RSHK:

    5.6 millions and we are already struggling to live a normal live, how to cope with 10 millions ? Really the Government at that time can create so many good jobs ?

    When there is a 10 million population, probably foreigners will outnumber Singaporeans 6 to 4 ratio ?By then if PAP is still the ruling party, sure it can manage ?

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