Objective view of Liew Mun Leong versus Parti Liyani fiasco

Liew Mun Leong

Honest speaking, I did not follow up very closely on the case. But I hope to be objective in my views and that is what a democratic society should be.

I think there are 4 possibilities for this case.

1) The police is indeed sluggish in the case by with no evil intention to frame Parti Liyani.

2) The police itself despised and had discriminatory views on the poor and vulnerable. This is also possible as I had read in another case whereby the domestic helper accused the employer of rape after being pregnant by her outside boyfriend. When the female officer read out the charge to the employer who is the accused, the employer laughed. The officer straightaway jumped onto the employer and rebuked him for taking it as a minor thing. But actually the employer laughed because he find the accusation unbelievable. Our society had deteriorated to a state whereby there is a serious class divide between the rich and the poor, the powerful and vulnerable. We must not allow this gap to widen. And I think our police officers need to be properly trained to be less emotionally swayed which could cloud their judgement.

3) There is a conspiracy between the people in high places and the police. Under the behest of the Liew Family, the police is purposely being flimsy in their actions investigations. And we must also investigate deeper to check whether this conspiracy also involved AGC and the District Judge.

4) The 4th possibility which is the slimmest is that Parti Liyani is telling lies and indeed responsible for the theft.

What the final outcome might be, I need to give credit to the lawyer who seek redress for Parti Liyani and Judge Chan Seng Onn who dove the due diligence to acquit Parti Liyani.

Due to the sloppy job done by the police in the investigations, we really dun know what is the actual happenings. But Judge Chan Seng Onn did the right thing to acquit Parti as there are lack of concrete evidences and many doubtful points in this case. He did the right thing not to take chances as it might throw an innocent person into undue suffering. We had full admiration for Parti lawyer and Judge Chan. They are the type of person who dare to stand up against the system, against the rich and powerful.

A full investigation should be conducted and should not just end with the acquittal of Parti Liyani. Whoever find flouting the laws should be punished accordingly even if it means they are people in high places.

 

* Facebook post by James Kok.

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36 Responses to “Objective view of Liew Mun Leong versus Parti Liyani fiasco”

  • halimah Totally USELESS:

    James Kok :
    Your point No 3 says it all.
    It is a known fact about these Cronies protecting their own kind and enriching themselves.
    To recruit your personal lawyer to be the AG to ring fence your famiLEE quarrel says a lot about the abuse of the judicial system.
    And having the system of famiLEEs and relatives in high places smacks of outright Nepotism.

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  • Think again:

    “4) The 4th possibility which is the slimmest is that Parti Liyani is telling lies and indeed responsible for the theft.”

    Theft of what? Maid claimed she found the “stolen” items in the trash. Is taking items from the trash “theft”? BTW, the items were damaged and/or fakes.

    The maid claimed the items were taken from the trash and the Liew family can claim they were not (i.e., they were stolen). Who is telling the truth? How will this be sorted out? A good way is to look at the items. If they were fakes or damaged then the maid is likely telling the truth.

    What the police should focus on is what started this entire fiasco – illegal deployment of the maid. Was she illegally deployed to clean Karl Liew’s house and office? If yes, for how long and how frequent?

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  • Great Asia:

    James Kok,

    Do you know what is incontrovertible evidence?

    Was she being convicted through incontrovertible evidences provided by the prosecutor?

    For 15 years, I’ve been saying that PAP offers wealth, power and fame.

    You didn’t get my message?

    Ha ha ha!

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  • Focus on illegal deployment:

    Straits Times: Timeline: How acquitted ex-maid Parti Liyani, ex-CAG chairman’s family went from harmony to High Court fight

    From the timeline it is clear the illegal deployment of the maid that started all this. This is what the investigation to focus on now. If proven, then the maid story is more believable and the Liew family need to be held accountable for the deployment of the maid.

    As to why she was convicted is the 2nd issue the police and prosecutor needs to explain. Investigation and prosecution appears biased against the maid. Is it because the accuser is rich and well-connected?

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  • Be fair:

    Should investigate thorougly. Need to find the truth.
    Be fair to all parties.

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  • this is what happened - kDrama:

    maid was illegally deployed. the liews tried to compensate with a pittance of S$30. maid finds amount incommensurate with the additional work done. maid filed complaint with pap.

    pap issued papers to both liew son and liew wife.

    liew family now all buay song. so they schemed to take revenge on maid. they plotted. they also asked around. one kaki, whose daughter is in agc, advised that the best method is to follow pap clown fix OPPO manual, that is, to fix the maid.

    one thing led to another. the maid was fixed.

    then came the knight in shinny armour to help the maid pro bono.

    liew cannot tahan the hear. he tried to fix the knight too. for over a year pap police hounded the knight.

    finally, that one person, as always in kDramas, saw the light and reversed the liew fix.

    now to save face, pap machinery in pap police in pap agc in pap courts put into high gear.

    everyone, those acting and those in the audience, are figuring out if the agc prosecutor assisted in fixing the maid or both agc prosecutor and pap police assisted in fixing the maid or all three of agc prosecutor and pap police and pap judge assisted in fixing the maid.

    someone in coffee shop said it all started with the pap judge as the pap judge has the most power, and guessed that the pap police is the least involved as the police rank lowest amongst the tree.

    everyone is guessing like everyone is an expert in kDrama.

    we reminded them that it all depends on the ultimate kDrama director pap. if pap chooses to let liew face the music, then, the ONLY culprit, and satisfactorily so, is liew.

    if pap chooses to save liew and sacrifice one or more of agc police judge, then, the ending becomes very interesting.

    of course, as with all kDrama involving pap atas folks, the ending probably is the INSIDE 200m is not within 200m framework, namely, LYING to fix a low wage maid is not lying in accordance with pap clown fix the OPPO manual and case is closed.

    we shall see how the pap director ends the kDrama.

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  • My take:

    We also have to thank Parti for standing firm helping us to expose the flaws in our system.
    Many innocent people like her would have given up and admitted to the lesser charges that the AGC offers.
    Why would she steal old, spoilt things? Why would she still keep the things in the premises of the owners? She has all the time to bring them, small or big items, to Indonesia or sell them all these years, things that are claimed to have been stolen years ago, not just a few items, but over a hundred.
    The Police IO, the DPP should have the little common sense to realize that and drop the charges.
    Why didn’t they do it puzzles me.
    Maybe to them and the Liews, more (items) is better (of securing a conviction). It is a slam dunk.
    In all fairness to LML, I genuinely think he genuinely thought (wrongly) that Parti stole all the items his family members told him.
    As a “righteous” man, he decided to make a police report. Why no one persuaded (assertively) him not to?
    The Police added 2 more items found on Parti – the Longchamp bags. I believe Parti had told the Police she had used the bags all this while and hand carried one of them bag (maybe both) on the day she left Singapore. Why would a “thief” blatantly carry a stolen item in front of the owner’s wife and son in a acrimonious situation that day?
    I believe he also believed the 2 Longchamp bags (not his in fact) belonged to him, probably through reinforcement from the Police.
    LML would have realised his family members were not truthful all those 2-3 years up to the trial in 2019 (Karl in his testimony said … tremendous stress on him and family …). He could have withdrawn the police report and faced the consequences (which definitely would not be as severe given his “significant contributions to Singapore” as now he and his family are facing).
    Why didn’t he?
    It is his hubris, his testimonies in the trial reveal that.
    His testimonies are also suspected – his answers on the Pioneer DVD player bordering on being uncertain and not wanting to contradict his wife (to nail Parti); he wanting to protect other Singapore families (by stopping Parti from coming back to Singapore to work) – I suspect he knows the truth or at least suspect the truth but not telling the whole truth.
    I believe Karl Liew genuinely means it when he said in his testimony he did not want Parti to go to jail, whether out of conscience or otherwise.
    When Parti was sentenced to 26 months, the Liews still did not redeem the situation and return justice to Parti.
    Why?
    The system supports them, they can get away ……

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  • Police CLOSE DOWN:

    It looks like the police were used to try to silence the maid.

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  • Hey:

    Farmer rd Hudc how enbloc……got friends gain or not
    $2million for a 99 HDB…….capitaland money belongs to temasek also belong to people….reserves!

    So $2million payout is it reserves money ……..hey…….?

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  • Succumbed to Empress-Ute ?:

    The Police would have avoided the whole scandal if they have called in a Karung Guni expert to value the family’s estimated losses instead of simply recording them at face value. For all you know, the unwanted garbage might have amounted to less than $500 worth instead of the exaggerated amount of $34,000 at brand new value.

    Being accused of a say $500 value against $34,000 will definitely bound to raise a lot of questions to be further answered by the family. For example a brand new car if stolen at the beginning of its 10 year COE period would be almost worthless in value if stolen at the end of the 10 year COE period. So the High Court judge was wise enough not to take everything at face value.

    Looks like the investigating & prosecution authorities was blinded by the status of the accuser. Hence the shoddy investigations. The Law Minister should have come out and clarified that no one is above the law and this case is no exception. Otherwise he will be looked upon as having succumbed to the powers of the Empress Dowager ?

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  • xoxo:

    4TH IS UNLIKELY,IMHO,in this instance.

    many RIcH PEOPLE like to discard their ‘old’ items into garbage but when their maids pick them up,they BUAY SONG,funny right?

    this case is a a case of a maid UNHAPPY TO BE FORCED TO ‘MOONLIGHT’ for his main employer’s son n daughter-in-law for a PITTANCE!
    IF.AND ONLY IF,karl liew or his missus have given more KOPI-MONEY TO MAID for doing part-time,i think the maid will not register such discontent,in the first place?

    it is the STINGY KARL N WIFEY that cause rise to this UGLY ‘RICH’ SINGAPOREANS occurrence.

    the HOME/NGO AND LAWYER are just trying to render help to the poor maid,acting as THE AVENGERS to right wrong-doings,thats all.

    as for the DISTRICT JUDGE,it is uncommon for such lower -ranked officers to try and please the RICH POWERFOOL$ to get into ‘GOOD BOOKS’ of these people and from their bosses?

    as the case was taken up by HOME AND LAWYER ANIL,a serious practitioner trying to establish himself as a worthy lawyer,the HIGH COURT got no other choice but to rule the case in fairer light as indo govt may be watching closely.

    sacrificing HRI KUMAR,THE CLOWN,the district judge’s career and the enriched LIEW is the best option to show to our neighbouring govts,SG GOVT is above-board.

    all in all,this is A GOOD CASE STUDY FOR ALL RELATED GOVT AGENCIES AND MINISTRIES’ TOP OFFICERS.

    IT IS HIGH TIME SUCH A CASE IS USED FOR TEACHING RIGHT CONDUCT OF GOVT AFFAIRS.

    TOO MANY sinkingPOOReans have had encountered similar incidents and suffered in silence under the POLICE’S BIAS AND EVEN LOWER COURTS’ malpractices as they were afraid to ‘stir the hornets nest’???

    TOO MANY GRASSROOTERS AND OTHER famiLEE MEMBERS are abusing the CIVIL SERVICE to their advantage and THIS MUST BE STOP !!!

    TAKE SIMPLE EXAMPLE.
    many neighbourhood quarrels/conflicts/ cases of bullying where GRASSROOTERS were involved were sent to MEDIATION but outcomes mostly favour the grassrooters even if they are the PERPETRATORS???

    THATS WHY THE CMC PROCESS IS A FAILURE AND MANY NOW GO STRAIGHT TO MAGISTRATE COMPLAINT OF EVEN FORCED TO ENGAGE LAWYERS FOR CIVIL SUITS???

    WHOSE FAULT???

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  • What about free rider Ivan Lim:

    PAP said it would “come back” to the Ivan Lim saga after the elections. It is now 2 months and 1 day since he last GE. Singaporeans are still waiting for PAP to revisit the saga to clarify why Ivan Lim was allowed to run.

    One (big) free-rider gone – Liew Mun Leong. Time to focus on the free-rider who almost got away with it.

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  • John Richards:

    The only reason the Liews almost got away with it is because of their PAP connections and the failure of the police to conduct unbiased and proper investigations.

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  • We salute you your Honour!:

    “Justice in the life and conduct of the State is possible only as first it resides in the hearts and souls of the citizens.”

    - Plato -

    Music dedicated to:

    Justice Chan Seng Onn
    The Republic of Singapore

    Cavatina by John Williams
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gGycDDqBuX8

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  • Trash thief:

    Any film director can turn it into a court drama?

    Film title “Trash thief” should be eye-catching!

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  • Putting 2+2 Together:

    1. Democracy, yes. Anyhow “hantum” (hammer) without following the case in full, No.

    2. One very important fact that acquitted Parti Liyani is the recorded tape produced as evidence by the Undischarged Bankrupt Son Karl Liew to the Court. It is the innnocent words spoken in passing by Liew’s mother that proved beyond a doubt that Parti Liyani did not steal the items.

    3. The lower court’s judge did not take the words of the Liew’s mother spoken in the tape at the material time into consideration as evidence.

    4. Lower Court Judge should have been very cautious with the words of an Undischarged Bankrupt. Instead, she allowed herself to be CONvinced by the Bankrupted witness and refused to admit evidence of Karl Liew being an “unreliable witness” proved in a previous case by another Judge in Oct 2017.

    More Facts:

    1. The present Attorney General Lucian Wong happens to be a member of the Board of Directors of CapitaLand when Liew Mun Leong was the President cum CEO.

    2. Liew Mun Leong happens to be a member of the Board of Directors while the husband of Minister for Manpower, Josephine Teo, is the CEO of Surbana Jurong.

    Can you all see the background connections at high places?

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  • Harder Truths:

    Trash thief:
    Any film director can turn it into a court drama?

    Film title “Trash thief” should be eye-catching!

    yes!

    Gurmeet Singh as the police investigating Officer.
    Kumar as the maid aka “Trash Thief’

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  • NotMyProblem:

    Police CLOSE DOWN:
    It looks like the police were used to try to silence the maid.

    I’ve said it before and I am saying it again. Crooks join PAP for police protection!

    In the past, crooks joined the army to avoid the police. Now they join the PAP to be protected by the police!!

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  • NotMyProblem:

    Be fair:
    Should investigate thorougly. Need to find the truth.
    Be fair to all parties.

    The truth already here.

    Now is only to be fair. One lady suffered for 4 years in HOME carrying a jail sentence in her mind, the other party just went scot free, protected by his own kind.

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  • Jman:

    The way the Establishment has been rushing to acknowledge LML’s contributions, with scant comment on the unacceptably bad conduct on LML’s part is telling.

    While I acknowledge LML did not delay his resignation from his various roles, what did those organisations say? Did they disassociate from such conduct? It appears not.

    And did any of them have anything to say about this tarring LML’s reputation as a person of good character? Also not.

    This response is lousy. What does good conduct and good character count for in this day and age? Nothing? Is this what the Government thinks? Because the public anger hasn’t dissipated, and the public still appears to be very very unsatisfied with this half baked response from the Establishment.

    These senior business and political leaders should stick their heads in the sand, reflect on their conduct, before they face the public again.

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  • Asd:

    I think he don’t have to worry because his future very bright so most probably be like the NUS bright future criminal get warning or probation

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  • Jman:

    Senior political and business leaders should be ashamed of themselves. So very shameful.

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  • Jman:

    And what about Ho Ching? What does she have to say about this? As the head of all the GLCs? Nothing so far? Come on…

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  • INSIDE 200m is not within 200m:

    there is great interest whether pap will dump liew mun leong or save him.

    1, many say since liew mun leong fixed low wage maid using pap clown fix OPPO manual, liew mun leong will be spared.

    2, many also say since liew mun leong failed to execute per pap clown fix OPPO manual, pap won’t save him since liew mun leong failing is a disgrace to pap clown.

    nobody knows. as pap agc saved pap goh cock tong pap tony tan pap clown with the INSIDE 200m is not within 200m judgment, the bet in the market is, it is a very easy thing to do if pap decided to save liew mun leong. after all, agc is under pap clown thumb.

    the more interesting is what kind of excuse pap will use if pap decided to save liew mun leong.

    some say this. some say that. one couple, in coffee shop, said it best.

    they said, pap judgment in the liew mun leong case is this -

    “”" liew un leong honestly believed his low wage maid has been stealing from him for many years. as such, liew mun leong was only telling pap judge pap agc pap police what liew mun leong honestly believed. liew mun leong did not lie. rather, liew mun leong made an honest mistake in thinking his low wage maid had been stealing from him for many years. aN hOnest mIstake is made. no harm is done. let’s move on. case is closed. “”"

    we just shake our head that the pap INSIDE 200m is not within 200m has been studied so well by the electorate that even an old couple in coffee shop can come out with a judgment so close to the pap agc one. we marvel at the rot pap is bringing to pap Singapore.

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  • framing:

    don’t be a kok;

    item 1; how can the “force” defend themselves by testifying that Liyani was compensated for her extra works when knowingly it was only “peanut” over the long period, places and works she have to undergo? If this is not continuing
    with the framing/mistake, what is?

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  • karanguni:

    Lower court is called state court or PAP court?
    So only high court is the justice court?

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  • LML is a free rider:

    Jman:
    And what about Ho Ching? What does she have to say about this? As the head of all the GLCs? Nothing so far? Come on…

    Ho Ching’s “maid” at Temasek Dilhan Pillay Sandrasegara, CEO of Temasek International said Ho Ching’s views – that LML contributed to Singapore but did not mention he got paid millions for doing it. Despite the latter she wanted LML to be given a “free pass” for illegally deploying his maid and for framing her to stop her from exposing him.

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  • Dr Tan Tai Wei:

    Liew made that report and, without any investigation, not even seeing the “stolen items’, etc., police issued arrest warrant, maintained scrupulous vigilance so as to know her coming back to Singapore in order to exactly arrest her at the airport? You mean, you can just make a report, and that guy get arrested just on that basis? Police started “investigating” only after her detention some months later after her return, and immediately became judge and jury, judged just on sight at the scene that the items seen were stolen, and so thought they needed no investigating, therefore let the family remove, retain and use the items, “contamination of the exhibits”, etc., thought not being an issue?

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  • Harder Truths:

    Objectivity cannot be compartmentalised. This situaation cannot be separated from the way the elites are constantly treated as privileged as opposed to normal people (including foreign maids).

    It cannot be separated form the way law-enforcement always does the bidding of the elite, as well as being unprofessional and running away from problems (Tekka Riots).

    It cannot be separated from having a judicial system that is use to club citizens like baby seals as and when the elites see fit.

    What is happening wit hmaid-basher is systemic behaviour and this is how the situation must be viewed to get to the bottom of the cesspool.

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  • Elitism vs Religion:

    Elitism reflects lacking wisdom .
    Its a sign of Ignorance.

    A wise person will not be elitist.

    Elitist person demonstrates ignorance despite ability to earn insane amounts of money theough whatever means he uses.

    Elitist people does not believe in religion and Karma.

    They will only learn once they kenna jialat jialat unable to recognise their house, so to speak in hokkien.

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  • PAP (Power And Privilege):

    Dr Tan Tai Wei:
    Liew made that report and, without any investigation, not even seeing the “stolen items’, etc., police issued arrest warrant, maintained scrupulous vigilance so as to know her coming back to Singapore in order to exactly arrest her at the airport? You mean, you can just make a report, and that guy get arrested just on that basis? Police started “investigating” only after her detention some months later after her return, and immediately became judge and jury, judged just on sight at the scene that the items seen were stolen, and so thought they needed no investigating, therefore let the family remove, retain and use the items, “contamination of the exhibits”, etc., thought not being an issue?

    One of the “privileges” of being a “member of PAP”.

    “One country, two systems (of justice)”

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  • Merobok:

    What actually happened was that the IO in charge was mesmerized by the towering figure of Liew and succumbed to his instructions! This poker face Liew must have been so used to giving commands/orders and did so in this case. The IO also thought that since Liew was the complainant, the case would be just easy and after all, the alleged accused is only just a maid! That led him to be relaxed in his investigations!
    Similarly, the District Judge was also putting herself in a similar situation believing all that Liew and family said and wanted to get over the case as soon as possible.
    Little did they realized that the maid had a good lawyer and a learned High Court Judge who scrutinized every word and evidence presented.
    This was the “waterloo” for this poker face Liew!
    There are still, however, many of these poker faces around but they are being more careful after this!

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  • Honourable Citizen:

    Everyone is equal before the law and presumed innocent until proven guilty. SPF, after LML reported the ALLEGED theft, immediately confirms the maid being guilty by issuing an arrest warrant without even investigation or notifying the Indonesian Embassy to locate her to answer the allegations.

    Next step, the SPF needs to prepare the necessary groundwork to ensure the allegations made against the maid can stand and the charges are made up to frame her for jail time.

    Final step is the state court trial to finalize the amount of time the maid will be thrown into jail.

    All the above are well planned with all stakeholders in seeing the maid going to jail informed. These stakeholders succeeded but they never expect the maid to have such strong determination to prove her innocence. Anyone reading the Honourable Justice Chan 104 pages judgement will draw same conclusion as described above. The only question that everyone wants to know is “WHO IS THAT PERSON OR PARTY WITH THAT AUTHORITY TO FIX THESE PROCESSES SO WELL”.

    It is through her strong determination, sheer luck of getting a very hardworking, meticulous and determined lawyer, and above all an HONEST and FAIR Judge at the high court that she managed to escape being fixed to jail.

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  • Amos humiliate PAP:

    Honourable Citizen:
    Everyone is equal before the law and presumed innocent until proven guilty. SPF, after LML reported the ALLEGED theft, immediately confirms the maid being guilty by issuing an arrest warrant without even investigation or notifying the Indonesian Embassy to locate her to answer the allegations.

    Next step, the SPF needs to prepare the necessary groundwork to ensure the allegations made against the maid can stand and the charges are made up to frame her for jail time.

    Final step is the state court trial to finalize the amount of time the maid will be thrown into jail.

    All the above are well planned with all stakeholders in seeing the maid going to jail informed. These stakeholders succeeded but they never expect the maid to have such strong determination to prove her innocence. Anyone reading the Honourable Justice Chan 104 pages judgement will draw same conclusion as described above. The only question that everyone wants to know is “WHO IS THAT PERSON OR PARTY WITH THAT AUTHORITY TO FIX THESE PROCESSES SO WELL”.

    It is through her strong determination, sheer luck of getting a very hardworking, meticulous and determined lawyer, and above all an HONEST and FAIR Judge at the high court that she managed to escape being fixed to jail.

    .

    This is as good as Amos Yee winning in US Court TWICE to get asylum in the US. He proved, as in this case, that Singapore judicial system is biased.

    BTW, I am still waiting for Law Society’s promised comments on Amos case in U.S. Court. I am also waiting for PAP to come back to the Ivan Lim saga.

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  • XOXO:

    no need to think so f hard.
    this is another ccb asshole!

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  • bornloser:

    Completely exposes a eunuch government with sodomites and catamites!

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