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The system that brought success to Liew Mun Leong also brought him down – does the PAP have the will to fix the system?

The spectacular downfall of Liew Mun Leong is a shock to the system – the People’s Action Party system.

It was the PAP system which set up Liew for stardom – he became an upstanding member of society and a darling of the establishment. As elite and entitled as they come in this country.

Liew’s every word and action became the gold standard. His Chancery Lane address alone bestowed him prestige and respectability.

As an entrenched member of the establishment, Liew became too big to challenge, too big to be disproved and too big to do any wrong. There are many like him. This is the hallmark of the PAP system.

The High Court judgement lays bare the stunning details. Had investigators and prosecutors done a thorough, professional job, had they not given Liew the benefit of the doubt every step of the way, things would have turned out differently.

The case might not even have gone to trial. Liew and his family would then have been spared the eventual outcome – the bombshell High Court findings, too damning to sweep under the rug.

Instead of reining in the excesses, Liew was treated with kid gloves and given a free pass.

A runaway train, when not reined in, will self-destruct or cause twisted wreckage. Ironically, the system that Liew profited from ended up causing his downfall because it was not robust enough to keep him in check.

Home Affairs and Law Minister K Shanmugam said something has “gone wrong in the chain of events.” More important than that, how did the system crack in such breathtaking fashion? What happened to the checks and balances?

The downfall of Liew ought to prompt the PAP government to do soul searching. Unless the PAP has the will and wherewithal to fix the system, trust and confidence in the system will not be restored.

 

Augustine Low

 

 

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47 Responses to “The system that brought success to Liew Mun Leong also brought him down – does the PAP have the will to fix the system?”

  • Harder Truths:

    what system?

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  • Xylorious=OwnselfchecksOwnself:

    One word to describe those who “Ownself checks Ownself”:

    XYLORIOUS!

    Being the dominant party in parliament, elitism inbreeding
    and groupthink lead to utter complacency and it has certainly become unscrupulously xylorious (Ownself checks Ownself)

    Remember this newly coined term: Xylorious!

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  • Survey recently:

    look at LML face , i dont thinks he has real friends , i think his friends and relatives are not close to him

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  • Uselesstankl:

    don’t worry

    PAP WILL SINK THE ISLAND TOGETHER WITH THEM !!!

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  • Sad situation:

    A sad situation.
    No winner.
    Suddenly many become a wise judge and prosecutor…
    Not sure their guilty decision is clouded by their own agenda…
    Not sure LML is guilty of all the things or motives attributed to him…he may not be that involved with it at all.

    The action of his family and him are separate matters.
    Only punish the guilty.Many things are not what we see on the surface.
    Need to be more objective.Let the police do its job to review thoroughly the case.Truth will prevail.

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  • Billy ma:

    Lhl really screwed up big time this time.

    Many people suspect this bias in almost every government agencies when it involve PAP, lhl & families, & lhl’s cronies like this Liew.

    So this suspicion has been lay out in the sunlight.

    But never underestimate the absolute power of lhl & his diligence in protecting his cronies.
    Lhl would rather frustrate Singaporeans then to punish his cronies.
    Lhl needs these rich people around him more than ordinary Singaporeans & lhl will go all out & do anything to show that he can & will protect them.

    Lhl usual trick will be to make a ministerial speech & then declare that all is well & nobody committed any crime.
    Case closed.

    All his cronies will then rally behind him.

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  • oxygen:

    THE DISGRACED BRIGINSHAW vs BRIGINSHAW Australian High Court decision in 1938 seems to re-incarnate in LEE-jiapore.

    In that decision of bitter divorce proceeding, the court ruled that the STATUS of Mrs. Briginshaw as a married woman DECIDED THE OUTCOME of the judicial determination – not the veracity of evidence supplied by the respective litigants.

    THE BRIGINSHAW ‘STANDARD OF PROOF’ IN ANTI-DISCRIMINATION LAW: ‘POINTING WITH A WAVERING FINGER’

    http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/MelbULawRw/2003/13.html

    The Crown has often invoked the “Briginshaw Law” imperative as entitled privilege when challenged by peasants in law – the supposition is that elite’s and government ARE PRIVILEGED PROTECTED SPECIES ABOVE THE LAW deserving of impunity protection.

    BUT JUDGES DOWN UNDER ARE SMARTER NOW ENOUGH TO THROW THIS GARBAGE COMMON LAW DOCTRINE under the bus (the rubbish truck following behind the bus will take the powerful state/crown to the incinerator in analogy).

    Which is why an aboriginal gardener (working in the employ of Newcastle University) without legal representation and empty pocket fought all his way successfully from State Courts to Federal Court to finally the High Court of Australia on aboriginal land rights.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mabo_v_Queensland_(No_2)

    Mabo v Queensland (No 2) (commonly known as Mabo)[1] was a landmark High Court of Australia decision in 1992 recognising native title in Australia for the first time.

    BRIGINSHAW LAW IS DEAD in Australia in the last century. THE GHOSTS OF THE TWO BRIGINSHAW LAW buried in unmarked privacy in some cemetery in Australia must NOT reincarnate anywhere else.

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  • PAP is free-rider party:

    It will difficult for PAP to fix the problem because it is a party of free-riders starting with LHL and his wife. PAP really means Power And Privilege.

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  • Apply economics:

    Straits Times: Coronavirus: Dorm operators say steps to prevent mixing among foreign workers not foolproof

    The solution is to send foreign worker home and close the dorms. There will be no shortage of workers if the government allows wages to rise. When wages rise the supply of workers will go up to meet demand. (Singaporeans will rake the jobs done by mostly the unskilled foreign workers if the pay is high enough.) This is simple economics.

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  • Sex in office:

    Dear Augustine,
    You said : Instead of reining in the excesses, Liew was treated with kid gloves and given a free pass.
    ===================================================
    Anyone who made enormous contribution to the society should be treated differently.

    In any society, there is always these unwritten law, 以功抵过, similar to US prison parole.

    Even the democratic nuts Singaporeans most adored democratic ROC Taiwan also did the same, that is, light punishment for all Democratic Progressive Party members and supporters.

    I had proof Ok.
    This DPP President spokesman brought 4 girls to his office to have sex.

    The ruling DPP government also lightly treated the case because it is kaki lang (own people).

    Sex in President Office
    【新聞傳真】要女友穿網襪局長室做愛 丁允恭訂婚後劈四女逼墮胎|鏡週刊
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4fzliJvmgM

    花媽愛將 丁允恭劈腿四女 成混世渣男 ! 民進黨 變啞巴? 小英 只能苦吞?! 國民大會 20200910 (完整版)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzK7EFYqqc4

    GE2024.PAP.Guarantee.Win.Again
    Majullah $PAP$ $PAP$ Huat$ Huat$ Huat$
    Lazy Singaporeans must be Cheaper, Better, Faster

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  • Respect Your Maids:

    If you want your maid to do “outside” work that is not part of her contract, then reward her each time she goes the extra mile. That way she will be a happy camper and not feel that she is being taken advantage of. After all, they are humans too. A few more dollars may be “peanuts” to the employer but it can mean alot to the maid, not just the cash but the feeling of being appreciated and not taken for granted. The maid may be willing to do the employer occassional favors, but when it becomes regular, then she feels exploited. That’s where the trust and relationship breaks down.

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  • Shocking, totally shocking:

    “Liew’s every word and action became the gold standard.”

    So true. The police issued an arrest warrant on the same day that LML lodged his report. No viewing of the stolen items. No interview with anyone else. LML’s words became the truth that needed an arrest warrant immediately. This is reported at the HOME website.

    The accusers get to keep the “stolen items” immediately and use in whatever way they want.

    Which mere mortal Singaporean can get this kind of effect?

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  • C.O.I urgently needed:

    THE spectacular fall of MR. Liew Mun Leong obviously caused by the many glaring flaws that relevant authorities simply glossed over and leaned over to side of the powerful businessman with links with the gagmt setup companies.
    THIS IS OF GREAT CONCERNS TO PUBLIC, AS MANY TIMES IN THE PAST,PUNISHMENTS METED TO THE POOR FOR MINOR OFFENCES ARE VERY HEAVY .
    YET WHEN COME TO THE RICH AND POWERFUL WITH CONNECTIONS IT SEEM VERY LIGHT IN THE EYES OF THE PUBLIC.
    THE ABOVE ‘BOMBSHELL” REVELATIONS IN THIS HIGH COURT FURTHER REINFORCED THE PERCEPTION WHICH FOR YRS COMMON PEOPLE HAVE IN HOW THESE POWERFUL PEOPLE ARE TREATED.
    IT IS TIME TO HAVE A C.O.I TO BE LED BY A HIGH COURT JUDGE TO REDRESS ALL THESE “GLARING FLAWS”.
    THESE INSTITUTIONS OF POLICE AND JUSTICE, BOTH SAID THEY NOTED SERIOUSLY THE HIGH COURT JUDGEMENTS AND LOOK FORWARD TO STUDY THEM.
    THESE INSTITUTIONS ON GOING CORRECTIONS WILL MOUNT TO AN “OWN SELF CHECK OWN SELF.” THIS MAY NOT BE ENOUGH.
    A C.O.I LED BY A HIGH COURT JUDGE IS ESSENTIALLY NEEDED.
    OR MAYBE THE PRESIDENT OF THE COUNTRY CAN INSTITUTE A C.O.I, WHICH THE LAWS HAD ENACTED FOR OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY.
    AUTHORITY ARE GIVEN TO THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENCY FOR THIS PURPOSE TO CALL FOR a C.O.I IN THE EXERCISING OF THE SECOND”KEY” TO ENSURE THE INTEGRITY OF OUR INSTITUTIONS.
    THESE LAWS ARE ENACTED ESPECIALLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF ENSURING THE INTEGRITY OF THESE INSTITUTIONS.THE “GLARING FLAWS” TOTALLY DESTROY THE INTEGRITY OF THESE INSTITUTIONS TO ITS CORE.
    NOTHING SHORT OF a of C.O.I(COMMITTEE OF INQUIRY) WILL ALLAY PUBLIC GREAT CONCERNS.

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  • TumasikPatriot:

    He got CAUGHT as simple as that…same as the scoundrels who parked their ill gotten gains in SIN city inc. Known as Billionaire Investors and Pink Panty wants 10 of them to INVEST…yes!!! Park but no Invest lah!!! only an Idiot can think otherwise

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  • Halimah Totally USELESS:

    Where do you get the trust and transparency when the sysyem rewards the Cronies and Nepotism runs wild in the PAPIGS setup.
    Rewarding themselves and their Cronies with plum postings and paid themselves obscene salaries, they are practically robbing the Treasury.
    Why does LOONY need so Ministers in his PMO ??? if not to create jobs and reward friends and relatives.

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  • mike:

    Or perhaps someone actualee gave it a “push” to see how far this rabbit hole of corrupting system can find its way. ^.^

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  • it is not a witch hunt:

    it shall be a very sorrowful day if pap comes out with the statement, just like the INSIDE 200m is not within 200m statement, that LYING to fix a low wage maid is not lying within the ambit of the pap fix OPPO manual.

    pap talks about things it lacks most.

    what does pap lack most?

    integrity. pap talks a lot about integrity. which pap lacks most.

    if pap liew mun leong is not indicted and jailed for lying to pap agc lying to pap police lying to pap judge, then, pap is confirmed to have zero nil kosong integrity.

    INSIDE 200m is not within 200m?

    LYING to fix a low wage maid is not lying in accordance with pap fixing OPPO manual?

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  • Shan ah you so shocked meh?:

    (Home Affairs and Law Minister K Shanmugam said something has “gone wrong in the chain of events.” More important than that, how did the system crack in such breathtaking fashion? What happened to the checks and balances?)

    Maybe you can also figure out while your’e at it… what has gone thoroughly perverse in your crony political-economy? You know lah …. why the checks & balances of a mutated tripartite government has evaporated? And due diligence in bed of the sovereign wealth fellows?
    It’s best to commence with the base phenomena in specifying the charaxteristics of the causal chain of dysfunctionality … errr seriously folks….

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  • NotMyProblem:

    “Home Affairs and Law Minister K Shanmugam said something has “gone wrong in the chain of events.””

    Everyone knew what went wrong, only that the Minister acting blur. In the mean time he may be looking for a nice carpet from Tai Ping Carpet, so to smoothen this “chain of events”.

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  • xoxo:

    So,the elites that we have in 1G has been transformed into ELITIST$.
    We had good govt leaders like Dr Goh,Hon Sui Sen and good administrators like Hsu Tze Kwang,Joe Pillay,Ngiam Tong Dow who served with dedication to Gahmen and administrators that are dedicated to $ELF-$erving?

    PAP is no more THE people’s Action Party,it has been turned into THE Proud And Pompou$ party,has it not?

    The GOOD SYSTEM we have had is now a BROKEN $ystem.

    LiewMunLeong is just one of countless examples.

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  • Who benefits:

    Go check the enbloc sale of Farrer rd Hudc to find OUT WHO BENEFITS

    from the CAPITALAND PAYOUT?

    The PAYOUT from CAPITALAND IS also from TENASEK

    is also from OUR RESERVES!

    Any SLEWS out there? Your work will be AMPLY REWARDED!

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  • SOLUTION: send foreigners home:

    Straits Times: Detailed data needed for debate on jobs for locals and foreigners

    Correct. The PAP has ALL the data needed but it won’t make them public because its “spin” (a.k.a. deception) will not work.

    PAP is not interested in debate but only misleading “spin” using half-truths and outright lies.

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  • PAP - Power And Privilege:

    Straits Times: How should we decide who gets Covid-19 vaccine first?

    Stupid question. It is already decided. Those with “power and privilege” get it first because, as Temasek likes to put it, they “contribute a lot to the country” just like disgraced maid-basher Liew Mun Leong.

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  • Hi Augustine:

    Well said.

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  • Went to Japan:

    PAPPY tried to protect him but his whole family is involved, probably they just asked him to resign but will arrange….another post

    Question is now… how they will work on their false accusations of the maid?

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  • Mr. Hubris, Caprice & Co.:

    “He who is cruel to animals becomes hard also in his dealings with men. We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals.”

    - Immanuel Kant, Enlightenment Philosophy

    Kant’s analysis of commonsense ideas begins with the thought that the only thing good which is without qualification is a “Goodwill”. While the phrases “he’s good hearted”, “she’s good natured” and “she means well” are common, “the Goodwill” as Kant thinks of it is not the same as any of these ordinary notions. The idea of a goodwill is closer to the idea of a “good person”, or, more archaically, a “person of Goodwill”.

    This use of the term “Will” early on in analyzing ordinary moral thinking anticipates later technical discussions concerning the nature of Rational Agency.

    The basic idea, as Kant describes it in the Groundwork, is that what makes a Good Person good is his possession of a will that is in a certain way “determined” by the Moral Law; whose decision-making processes are illuminated by those innate intimations. The idea of a Goodwill is supposed to be the idea of one committed only to make decisions that it holds to be morally worthy and who accepts moral considerations in themselves to be conclusive reasons for guiding their societal behaviors.

    It is this sort of disposition or character, which Kant believes all sound and wholesome human beings value without reservations as an unqualified Good.

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  • NotMyProblem:

    Sad situation:
    A sad situation.
    …..

    …. Let the police do its job to review thoroughly the case.Truth will prevail.

    Err, the whole episode started because of the police NOT doing its job!! Now you want the police to review what?

    You expect the police to say it made a mistake?

    Don’t forget there is a law to say nobody is allowed to video police in action! That’s because they don’t want people to see their screw up!!!

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  • Be Fair, Be Just!:

    Where did we go wrong? As you rightly pointed out – Augustine “Liew became too big to challenge, too big to be disproved and too big to do any wrong. There are many like him”. How many “Singapore battlers” (let alone maids) dare to challenge the rich and powerful? This is the same in many places around the world. However, I like to believe that Singapore is different and that our laws will protect the innocent. But this courage to challenge those who seek to incriminate and destroy the innocent, the vulnerable and the poor must be supported by the Government.

    The Government has to show to the people that the law is just and fair and they should not be fearful of incrimination or victimization by the rich and power if they are innocent and truthful. By the same token, the law should come down hard on those who bring false charges against their employers.

    There is skepticism about our legal system. I believe there is a general feeling that “mateship” is still very much alive in this country and if you have the connections, you’ll be okay.

    Everyone in Singapore is watching the Liew Mun Leong saga unfolds. Personally, I would like the law to treat LML the same way it will treat any ordinary Singaporean – be fair and be just!

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  • No sham from SHAMugam:

    Be Fair, Be Just!:
    Where did we go wrong? As you rightly pointed out – Augustine “Liew became too big to challenge, too big to be disproved and too big to do any wrong. There are many like him”. How many “Singapore battlers” (let alone maids) dare to challenge the rich and powerful? This is the same in many places around the world. However, I like to believe that Singapore is different and that our laws will protect the innocent. But this courage to challenge those who seek to incriminate and destroy the innocent, the vulnerable and the poor must be supported by the Government.

    The Government has to show to the people that the law is just and fair and they should not be fearful of incrimination or victimization by the rich and power if they are innocent and truthful. By the same token, the law should come down hard on those who bring false charges against their employers.

    There is skepticism about our legal system. I believe there is a general feeling that “mateship” is still very much alive in this country and if you have the connections, you’ll be okay.

    Everyone in Singapore is watching the Liew Mun Leong saga unfolds. Personally, I would like the law to treat LML the same way it will treat any ordinary Singaporean – be fair and be just!

    Shanmugam says ‘something has gone wrong’ in chain of events, urges people not to ‘prejudge’ review. This review should start with the Liew family.

    The “review” should FIRST re-investigate the veracity of illegal deployment of the maid by the Liew. SECOND, look into the credibility of the claim that the maid committed theft. After this two issues are settled then it will be straightforward where the “process” went wrong.

    The “review” should not be a SHAM from SHAMugam.

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  • Realistically:

    @ Augustine Low

    >>The High Court judgement lays bare the stunning details. Had investigators and prosecutors done a thorough, professional job, had they not given Liew the benefit of the doubt every step of the way, things would have turned out differently.<<

    The High Court judgment laid bare the prima facie case of a malicious prosecution as a result of an "improper motive" which the first instance DJ Olivia Low had refused to the evidence/arguments by the maid's Counsel in regard to the complaint to MOM, which the High Court deemed otherwise and hence Justice Chan Seng Oon's finding of "improper motive" and which would have had a crucial bearing on DJ Olivia Low's (unjust) judgment in convicting the maid.

    As for the prosecution, the DPP had willfully misled the court with its superior resource/knowledge that the DVD PLAYER was in good working condition by its deception of linking the hard disc to the monitor and claiming that the PLAYER was NOT spoilt when IN FACT the DVD PLAYER could NOT PLAY a fresh video disc.

    In my view, DJ Olivia Low's had breached her oath of office by what was prima facie and based on Justice Chan's judgment that she did NOT carry out her judicial duties in GOOD faith and that the DPP had essentially misled the court with his/her devious effort of linking the hard disc in the DVD to the monitor and claiming that the DVD player was in working order when it could not play a fresh DVD dics which would be the criterion for a lay person like the wife of Liew's son and the Liew family and to any layperson at large…………which is the determinate standard to assess whether the DVD was apoilt.

    Regrettably your kind of inaccurate or even misleading comments could only deflect the true nature of injustice which is being perpetuated in the context of the emperor without clothes public pronouncement of how to "FIX" his critics and also how to enable those elites and supporters of his to avoid being dealt the full force of the law and to deny innocent and defenceless victims like Ms Liyani justice.

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  • NotMyProblem:

    Survey recently:
    look at LML face , i dont thinks he has real friends , i think his friends and relatives are not close to him

    That you don’t have to worry. His friends and relatives are very close to him and his MONEY.

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  • Si Mi Lan:

    What there to publicise ?
    This lawsuit actually shamed singaporeans. A maid versus a titan.

    How kiasi sg people is ?

    Whereas sg oppies supporters always go into hidding, and hidding in plain sight. I m afraid scare shitless , canon foddler…. is correct.

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  • truth or dare:

    when you tell the truth you only need to remember one version.

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  • Troubling Temasick:

    What the f#*k was the $34,000 embezzlement all about? DVD players online now going mostly under $100 lah…… What freaking disservice did she do her boss? if she did dastardly why oh why? How long has the tribulations been going on through nine long years? She only recently developed bad habits or what? Or she kena kao kao left right from the rude circle?

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  • LML is an egomaniac.:

    Survey recently:
    look at LML face , i dont thinks he has real friends , i think his friends and relatives are not close to him

    LML is 70+ years old and his hair is still all black.

    Never trust person who dyes his hair black.

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  • Realistically:

    I repost from my comment in another thread:

    What every comment, whether in the form of original post or subsequent comments by TRE readers, there is NO MENTION of the following which would cast great doubts about Liew Mun Leong’s character DEFECT.
    At the trial before DJ Olivia Low, Liew Mun Leong was reported to have said, according to the CNA report at:
    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/liew-mun-leong-retires-cag-temasek-parti-liyani-13099110?cid=h3_referral_inarticlelinks_24082018_cna
    Liew Mun Leong retires from CAG, other public service and business roles after court’s decision on Parti Liyani case
    10 Sep 2020 07:47PM(Updated: 10 Sep 2020 08:40PM)
    During the trial, Mr Liew told the court that he had long suspected Ms Parti of stealing from his family home, but “tolerated” her behaviour.
    —-
    Yet in the Straits Times report he was reported to have said the following:
    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/liew-mun-leong-steps-down-as-chairman-of-changi-airport-group-surbana
    Liew Mun Leong steps down as chairman of CAG, Surbana Jurong after ex-maid acquitted of stealing
    Published
    Sep 10, 2020, 7:57 pm SGT
    In his statement on Thursday, Mr Liew outlined why he lodged the report, saying: “When my family discovered some of our belongings in Ms Liyani’s boxes, I proceeded to make a police report the same afternoon I returned from overseas – because I genuinely believed that if there were suspicions of wrongdoing, it is our civic duty to report the matter to the police and let the authorities investigate accordingly.
    —–
    Notice in the ST report, Liew said that he made the “…Police Report the same afternoon on his return from overseas – because I genuinely believed that if there were suspicions of wrongdoing, it is our civic duty to report the matter to the police and let the authorities investigate accordingly”, BUT he failed to do so earlier even as though “…he had long suspected Ms Parti of stealing from his family home, but “tolerated” her behaviour.”
    How does Liew Mun Leong explain the obvious CONTRADICTION and clear his prima facie character defect that he is NOT an honest person?

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  • Exactly:

    Looking at the reports at HOME and the appeal judgement, it does seem that many crimes were committed by many persons. Not by Parti or her good lawyer. If some of these crimes cannot be proven, there were uncertainly many unethical/unprofessional actions that need actions by the employers.

    Realistically:
    @ Augustine Low

    >>The High Court judgement lays bare the stunning details. Had investigators and prosecutors done a thorough, professional job, had they not given Liew the benefit of the doubt every step of the way, things would have turned out differently.<<

    The High Court judgment laid bare the prima facie case of a malicious prosecution as a result of an “improper motive” which the first instance DJ Olivia Low had refused to the evidence/arguments by the maid’s Counsel in regard to the complaint to MOM, which the High Court deemed otherwise and hence Justice Chan Seng Oon’s finding of “improper motive” and which would have had a crucial bearing on DJ Olivia Low’s (unjust) judgment in convicting the maid.

    As for the prosecution, the DPP had willfully misled the court with its superior resource/knowledge that the DVD PLAYER was in good working condition by its deception of linking the hard disc to the monitor and claiming that the PLAYER was NOT spoilt when IN FACT the DVD PLAYER could NOT PLAY a fresh video disc.

    In my view, DJ Olivia Low’s had breached her oath of office by what was prima facie and based on Justice Chan’s judgment that she did NOT carry out her judicial duties in GOOD faith and that the DPP had essentially misled the court with his/her devious effort of linking the hard disc in the DVD to the monitor and claiming that the DVD player was in working order when it could not play a fresh DVD dics which would be the criterion for a lay person like the wife of Liew’s son and the Liew family and to any layperson at large…………which is the determinate standard to assess whether the DVD was apoilt.

    Regrettably your kind of inaccurate or even misleading comments could only deflect the true nature of injustice which is being perpetuated in the context of the emperor without clothes public pronouncement of how to “FIX” his critics and also how to enable those elites and supporters of his to avoid being dealt the full force of the law and to deny innocent and defenceless victims like Ms Liyani justice.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Shocking, totally shocking:

    SPARKLING BRILLIANT observation. It shooks buildings or it should, even if that didn’t caused an earthquake in LEE-jiapore apparently.

    Shocking, totally shocking: The accusers get to keep the “stolen items” immediately and use in whatever way they want.

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  • Realist:

    This chap with the moniker Realistically is such a smart aleck how come he doesn’t write articles himself? He is the ultimate free rider — riding on the articles of others to make senseless comments. LOL

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  • xoxo:

    ari$toCRAP$ $y$tem.
    Liew Mun Leong rise and fall is what wise men taught ,ie, PRIDE COMES BEFORE A FALL.

    Sad to witness top elites behave so disgracedully.
    Even the lowly maid is more gracious in forgiving him.

    The PAP SYSTEM BREEDS ARROGANT, GREEDY,SELFISH FOOLS.

    CHANGE WE MUST!
    CHANGE WE CAN!

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  • PAP failed AGAIN:

    Straits Times: 1 maid, 2 jobs: Maids made to clean more than one home rarely complain

    “Maids deployed illegally – it’s a barely hidden reality here, with MOM getting an average of 550 complaints a year. There are many others who do not speak up.”

    —————

    Why do the maids need to speak up? Why condone the practice?

    The problem is easy to fix with very heavy fines (at least $10,000) and shaming the employer. For repeat offender, jail time for the employer. That the maid is paid extra for the illegal deployment should not used as an excuse to waive the rules. Why? Because the maid can coerced to doing it and/or paid “peanuts”. It also deprives the Government of revenue from FDW levy. Pay for one but serve two households. The rules must be strictly and consistently enforced. NO EXCEPTIONS.

    Most likely the practice is tolerated because many of the well-connected, (i.e. members of “PAP” (Power And Privilege) are doing it. Again. “One country, two systems”.

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  • oxygen:

    IN LAYMAN TERMS, property ownership is defined in these two legal doctrine.

    Parker v British Airways Board

    Court: Court of Appeal
    Citation(s): 1 QB 1004, 2 WLR 503, 1 All ER 834
    Decided: 21 December 1981

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parker_v_British_Airways_Board#:~:text=Parker%20v%20British%20Airways%20Board%20%5B1982%5D%201%20QB%201004%20is,the%20surface%20of%20the%20land.

    - animus possidendi (possession in fact)
    - animus domini (exercise sovereignty of control of use/final outcome)

    When one party X has both animus possidendi and animus domini, I am puzzled as to how any “theft” by party Y could have taken place – except in fertile imagination of fact in Party X’s mind and in law.

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  • oxygen:

    ONE PROFESSOR IS RIGHT, Singapore needs an Ombudsman. I agree with that.

    This would match the same law practice in Australia too.

    Domestic worker case in Singapore points to need for ombudsman

    https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/world/domestic-worker-case-in-singapore-points-to-need-for-ombudsman/ar-BB18YxwU?li=BBr8Cnr

    The AGC in all prosecutions is in fact and in law acting on behalf of the relevant Minister.

    In Australia, when an Ombudsman ruled against the Minister, it commands the Minister to withdraw his/her decision and act accordingly to the advice of the Ombudsman.

    I haven’t seen any case where the sitting Minister decline to obey the Ombudsman direction.

    If otherwise, I am sure Parliament will react robustly in the said matter.

    An Ombudsman system is VERY GOOD, A LOT OF INJUSTTICE AND WRONG-DOING CAN AND OFTEN RESOLVED APPROPRIATELY WITHOUT HAVING THE MATTER TAKEN INTO LAYERS AND LENGTHLY COSTLY LITIGATED OUTCOME which lower level courts get it wrong anyway.

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  • Lazy Mama On Wheels:

    The girls too lazy to work? Just fiack the man and get easy money. After that go shop for clothes and make up.

    Takes two hands to clap.

    Sex in office:
    Dear Augustine,
    You said : Instead of reining in the excesses, Liew was treated with kid gloves and given a free pass.
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    Anyone who made enormous contribution to the society should be treated differently.

    In any society, there is always these unwritten law, 以功抵过, similar to US prison parole.

    Even the democratic nuts Singaporeans most adored democratic ROC Taiwan also did the same, that is, light punishment for all Democratic Progressive Party members and supporters.

    I had proof Ok.
    This DPP President spokesman brought 4 girls to his office to have sex.

    The ruling DPP government also lightly treated the case because it is kaki lang (own people).

    Sex in President Office
    【新聞傳真】要女友穿網襪局長室做愛 丁允恭訂婚後劈四女逼墮胎|鏡週刊
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4fzliJvmgM

    花媽愛將 丁允恭劈腿四女 成混世渣男 ! 民進黨 變啞巴? 小英 只能苦吞?! 國民大會 20200910 (完整版)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzK7EFYqqc4

    GE2024.PAP.Guarantee.Win.Again
    Majullah $PAP$ $PAP$ Huat$ Huat$ Huat$
    Lazy Singaporeans must be Cheaper, Better, Faster

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  • INSIDE 200m is not within 200m:

    birds of a feather flock together.

    pap folks all lie. birds of the same feather.

    pap agc came out with the mind boggling England twister, INSIDE 200m is not with 200m.

    pap dy agc shall come out with another unbelievable logic twister to exonerate pap liew mun leong on the basis of it is an honest mistake and so let’s move on judgment.

    pap argument is this, pap liew mun leong as proven by his contribution to pap Singapore is an honest man. pap liew mun leong honestly believed his low wage maid has been stealing from him for many years. now that pap High Court has spoken, it only shows that pap liew mun leong has been honestly mistaken.

    since it is an honest mistake, there is no reason to jail pap liew mun leong since all the so called lies pap liew mun leong has told pap judge pap agc pap police is done out of an honest mistake and are not, in that pap dy agc sense, lies.

    pap dy agc, therefore, says, as it is an honest mistake, let’s close the case and let’s move on.

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  • DestinedToCollapse:

    Power is associated with wealth. Wealth is associated with the market or bussinesses.
    Cities are build around the two primary motivations.
    A system which glorifies self and wealth, how not to die(the masses who serve and prostrate before it) or systematic collapse?

    No cities can ever survive when those two are pursued or glorifed especially the conquests go beyond its shores.

    The entire world will pay the price, inescapable.

    Parliament is set up to serve self and wealth to be an international city, hence you have so much power vested in selfs or talents, ultimately under one man.

    The ultimate man in power is just an ordinary man with too much influence and power, like a preacher, over his flocks or sustaining a religious/philosophical business structure.

    Once you make someone rich you lose the purpose of existence or purpose in life.

    You loses your soul too and everything he touches becomes meaningless or corrupt.

    Can you stop being rich? Your system is build around being rich or the rich.

    Even China changed, liken to Singapore, to pursue wealth so to be powerful and vain.

    Wealth and Self deification are not or should not be the….destiny.

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  • chance to be promoted:

    //Shocking, totally shocking: The accusers get to keep the “stolen items” immediately and use in whatever way they want.//

    the hhhhighest level of plp and ‘sloppiness’ accorded to someone powderful leh ??

    could the whole team be thinking ? easy case, powderful kaki lang sure bao chiak and got chance to be promoted somemore ???

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