Tough questions about the Parti Liyani case

Assoc Editor Chua Mui Hoong is asking rather tough questions about the Parti Liyani case.

This morning ST article entitled “The curious case of the maid, the business tycoon and the pink knife” is pushing some sacred cow buttons for our meritocratic system, suspected to be skewed towards the rich, privileged and highly educated.

Before I rattle on, what about the pink knife? You may be familiar with the maid and the business tycoon, but pink knife? That came quite out of the blue right?

Well, let me scratch that itch. Chua wrote: -

“The pink knife in question was an item Mr Karl Liew said that was bought when he was a student in Britain, which he had brought back to Singapore in 2002. But on questioning, he admitted that the knife was of modern design that could not have been in production in Britain before 2002.”

And Judge Chan said: “No adverse inferences were drawn against the prosecution from failing to call witnesses who could corroborate or support Karl’s internally contradictory testimony regarding his alleged ownership of the pink knife, when there was no investigation.”

Now let’s get back to the article by Chua.

Throughout the trial, Justice Chan reserved the most damning remarks for Karl, the police, and most unfortunately, the judge. Of the three, Justice Chan dealt with Karl with a firm and stern hand. And this has to do with a bedsheet and a quilt cover.

At the trial, Parti was quick to defend herself by giving evidence that they were purchased from Ikea, Alexandra, for $49. But Karl insisted that the bedsheet was bought from Habitat in Britain and valued at $100.

Justice Chan however said: “On a totality of the evidence, and in particular, the objective evidence which strongly suggests that the bedsheet was from Ikea, I find that Karl fabricated his testimony about having purchased the bedsheet from Habitat in the UK.” (Fabricated is a strong word).

“Instead I believe Parti’s evidence that she purchased the bedsheet together with the quilt cover as a set from Ikea. Clearly, the conviction for theft of the bedsheet is against the weight of the evidence and is not sustainable.”

Alas, the appeal process vindicated Parti, without which, this would be no more than a most typical case with this led-on narrative – “maid stole from her rich employer because of greed and poverty”.

And on the role of the police, from Chua’s article, she wrote that the chain of custody of evidence was highly suspicious. Here’s the short chronology in end 2016.

28 Oct, the Liew sent Parti off, giving her 2 hours to pack. It was reported that Liew Snr had been tolerating Parti for stealing from them.

30 October, Liew Snr returned from overseas and was told about the three boxes of allegedly stolen items, which was opened against a promise made to send it back. That’s when father and son left for the police station to lodge a report.

Curiously, on the same day, the investigating officer issued a warrant of arrest (that is, on 30 Oct, 2016). No further investigation was conducted. No witnesses questioned. So, the Liews lodged report, and police issued warrant.

3 Dec, the police visited the Liew mansion to document the allegedly stolen items. While the warrant issued was instant, the visit to document/record the alleged stolen items took five weeks.
This was about the same time when Parti returned from Indonesia to find a new job and was arrested upon arrival.
And what’s worrying is that it took about 18 months later on April 18 2018 before the items were “received into police custody.” Before that, the three boxes were left with the Liew household to be used at their discretion and pleasure.

That is why Justice Chan commented that there was “a break in the chain of custody of evidence” as a reasonable bystander would not be able to tell whether the evidence had been contaminated when they were left in the open for any tom, dick or karl to use.

Mind you, the burden is on the prosecution to prove their 4 charges against Parti, and the way the evidence was handled effectively broke the evidential chain, and that only added to their already-high burden of proof for the prosecution.

As for the trial judge, Justice Chan said that she had “misapplied the legal and evidential burdens of proof.” This has to do with Karl’s unreliable and contradictory evidence on the kitchenware items, in particular, the pink knife.

Recall that Karl claimed the pink knife was bought in 2002 when he was a student in UK? But it was of a “modern design that could not have been in production in Britain before 2002”?

That contradiction urgently required some corroboration from other witnesses, and that is the prosecution’s job. In Justice Chan’s view, “the Prosecution has failed to prove its case on the basis of Karl’s uncorroborated testimony alone”.

Yet, based on such uncorroborated testimony, the trial judge convicted Parti on the charge. Curiously, she found Karl’s evidence, with some misdirection, reliable as a whole.

From the judgment of Justice Chan, I get the impression that the trial judge gave more concession to the prosecution on the standard of proof they were required to meet as compared to the standard Parti had to meet.

But, in a criminal system, that cannot be the case, since the prosecution has to come out with the proof first, and on a high standard. They are the accusers with vast state resources, and the well-endowed accusers have to stand ready to present their charges against a maid supported pro bono, thanks to Anil.

In any event, this is what Justice Chan said: -

“In my judgment, this constitutes an impermissible reversal of the burden of proof on the accused. It appears that the same standard of proof was not demanded or required of the Prosecution. No adverse inferences were drawn against the Prosecution from failing to call witnesses who could corroborate or support Karl’s internally contradictory testimony regarding his alleged ownership of the pink knife.”
He added: “It is clear that the Prosecutuon is unable to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt solely on the basis of Karl’s testimony due to his evident lack of credibility.”

“I emphasise that an accused person is presumed innocent and this presumption is not displaced until the Prosecution has discharged its burden of proof. Simply put, it is not the responsibility of the Defence to disprove the Prosecution’s case.”

In Chua’s article, she raised some tough questions: “To what extent were law enforcement individuals and judiciary officers acting out of implicit or explicit bias that accorded the Liew family more respect and attention than was given to the accused, a foreign domestic worker?”

Here’s another tough one: “Even more important is to consider what aspects of our justice system creates obstacles for the poor and less-resourced. What can we do to tilt the scales of justice to a more balanced distribution?”

Now, let me end by saying that, at a risk of stoking inordinate sentiments against the establishment, the questions above provoke a narrative that is all too familiar. It is the age-old manichean-like struggle between the rich and the poor, the have and the have-not, and the top 1 per cent and the rest. And the social disgruntlement it engenders forms the lowest hanging fruit in our society, always ripe for the picking, and if I may say it, nitpicking.

That reminds me of the merciless battle-cry of the ancient Athenians preparing to slaughter and enslave the people on the island of Melos: “the powerful do what they will, and the weak suffer what they must.”

If truth be told, we can’t go on with such blind rage. Sometimes we spend so much time crying over spilt milk that we forget to clean it up, go to the store and buy a new bottle to drink. As a result, the slow curdle that is formed only aggravates the tight girdle of our dissatisfaction.

Now, I say “yes” to accountability. I also say “yes” to responsibility and fairness. And just as one judicial process failed us, our appeal process however redeemed us (notwithstanding those who fell off the appellate cracks due to impecuniosity). Yet, both are from the same heart of justice, and both want to do justice in the most human way possible, stumbles notwithstanding.

And just because you are rich doesn’t mean you are an elitist. And just because you are poor doesn’t mean you are always wronged. In a society, in order to prosper, there has to be a fair balance of emotional partitioning or underpinning, with one reserved for critical suspicion, and the other, for trust, even by faith on evidence yet to be seen.

Mind you, the rich are not our enemy. Neither are the poor always the ones being oppressed, or bullied. While the Athenians’ battle-chant of the rich and powerful still resonates in an unequal society, we have to distinguish the bathwater and the baby here.

In reductionist sense, we have two stark choices: to blame everyone for everything, or to trust everyone for everything, especially the top.

But for a society to flourish, for the people to be united, and for us to move and progress forward, each of us just have to find the middle road between the two, and never allowing ourselves to be enticed by numbers or sophistry to push us to either extreme.

And for the record, I am not a PAP-supporter – as some have accused me in my posts previously. I however support fair reason, human flaws leading to full redemption, emotional persuasion as accessory to moral courage, and above all, love and hope underscoring everything.

 

Michael Han

 

 

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44 Responses to “Tough questions about the Parti Liyani case”

  • Harder Truths:

    I think the next step will be to create a citizen social credit score like in China and then make sure we are rewarded or punished for being ‘good citizens’.

    The time for such things may be closer than most people think. What will stop them? Desperate times call for desperate measures.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/chinese-government-combines-track-trace-covid-system-social-credit-score

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  • ST is so mild:

    Based on your examples, which presumably are the worst of the examples in the ST article, the ST article is so mild.

    So read the original judgement and the reports by HOME. There are LOTS more serious, even criminal, acts by many persons.

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  • survey recently:

    where is the chief police commissioner , i have never heard sbout him. no sound no picture ?

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  • PAP CLOSE DOWN:

    On another scale, I wonder if a poor local were victimised will he also get help from those organisations or pro bono legal aid?

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  • PAPaDUMB party:

    Is this Singapore?

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  • Good outcome:

    Hope this case will result in good outcome for Singapore justice and fairness for all.Rich and poor.

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  • anonymous:

    SCMP claimed that Singapore needs ombudsmen. How can street justice be workable or meaningful when duly trained, legally appointed judge and the judiciary system can’t do the work?

    Here is a miscarriage of justice – plain and simple. For miscarriage of justice, it means someone or some agency is sleeping on the job.

    What Singapore should implement is a rule that when there is miscarriage of justice,
    1) the trial judge or the district judge should have only two runs on such mistakes, removal or sacking should, consequentially, follows.
    2) the Assistant AGC should have only two runs on such mistakes, removal or sacking should, consequentially, follows.
    3) police or policeman involved in such mistakes should have their negative performance recorded and year end bonus cut.

    In the private sector, there always punitive and reward for performance. Why should the judicial and its subsidiaries be different?

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  • oxygen:

    IF ONE WERE TO ASK A SPIDER this simple question – how did you weave a beautiful cobweb of deceit in law, the answer, inevitably comes back, must be this – I DON’T KNOW!!

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  • Senior Singapore Citizen:

    To Parti Liyani of Indonesia,

    I’m proud of you for not giving up.
    I’m proud of you for trying to get better.
    I’m proud of you for searching for ways to improve your
    situation.
    I’m proud of you for smiling, even though at times you
    wonder if it’s all worth it in the end.
    I’m proud of you for every positive thing that you do, no
    matter how small you may think it is.

    Most of all,

    I’m proud of you for the person that you are becoming.

    YOU matter in this world, never forget that.

    - From a Senior Singapore Citizen – 14 Sep 2020

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  • Toxic son destroys father!:

    This is not the first time the good-for-nothing son of Liew Mun Leong has entangled with the law. In early 2017, he was made a bankrupt and when he was subpoenaed to testify in court, this was what Judicial Commissioner Audrey Lim said. Quote: ” Overall, I find Liew to be a dishonest and evasive witness, whose evidence was riddled with inconsistencies” Unquote.

    Sadly in this saga, it is Liew Sr who will fall from grace because of the actions of his toxic son and for knowingly corroborating with this spoit brat! LML miscalculated and thought his status, wealth, influence and power could get his son out of trouble. What is unforgivable is the viciousness of the accusations. LML has paid the price but what about Karl?

    It is heartening to see there are good Singaporeans like Anil Balchandani who helped Parti Liyani pro-bono and unlike many we know who will enrich themselves at every opportunity with multi-million $ salaries! This case also restores my faith in our judicial system that there are still some good judges like Hon Justice Chan Seng Onn who will uphold justice without fear or favour.

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  • credit score:

    //I think the next step will be to create a citizen social credit score like in China and then make sure we are rewarded or punished for being ‘good citizens’.//

    like that, lagi jialat ? it will push the white monkey wayang up another level since the white monkey idiots are having control over the system and might give better wayang credit score to their own kaki ownself-check-ownself bro bro here and there ?

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  • Dr Tan Tai Wei:

    AG and his Deputy claimed that they had no dealing with this prosecution, that it went with normal AGO proceedings without calling for their intervention from the top. But surely, they must have ultimately signed some form to let the go-ahead, being ultimately responsible? They just signed without at least browsing through, or being briefed somehow? So trusting of subordinates, indeed so careless of such important matters under their charge as state prosecutions, indeed so carefree of their own personal interests, their job and career prospects being, or should be affected if things went wrong? More, in this case, surely office talk did went around about the importance and connections of the one who made the police report. AG and Deputy weren’t alerted, and they did not take some interest, say over coffee? Then if not officially, then unofficially oversaw?
    So Ag has “recused” himself from further action, and Deputy takes over. So now, he and others of the same underlings have to consider the possible prosecution of the Liews, say as regards false police reporting, or lying under oath. But the consequences would include undermining their own professional creditability, because of their undeniable past involvement in the case, officially or not.
    Do we not need a new AGO to review the case?

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  • fair is fair - 2 yrs + 2 mths:

    rumor is rife there is great anxiety with pap PA paid IBs as to what the narrative is to bring to 61% sheep.

    this is due to indecision of pap PA higher echelon. seems there are 2 major camps. 1st camp says throw liew mun leong under the bus and let him face the 61% sheep ire. 2nd camp says leave no clan member behind and so liew mun leong must get off scot free come what may.

    1st camp is very uncomfortable with the honest mistake strategy of 2nd camp, even though it is purportedly in the mind of the dy agc overseeing the current liew mun leong saga.

    1st camp is very uncomfortable because such mind twisting language abuse strategy cannot be used for low rung clan members as it is reserved for the likes of pap goh cock tong pap tony tan pap clown.

    2nd camp says if the “”" it is an honest mistake let’s move on “”" strategy is not used, for sure clan member liew mun leong must spend 2years and 2 months in pap jail.

    we are NOT pap supporters. rather, we support truth, we support true government.

    so we say, let true justice run.

    pap liew mun leong has lied. liew mun leong is a liar. worse, liew mun leong did not lie to us 39% nor 61% only, he also lied to pap judge lied to pap agc lied to pap police.

    fair is fair.

    2 years and 2 months was meted out to the victim.

    the same 2 years and 2 months must be meted out to pap liew mun leong.

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  • TumasikPatriot:

    Chua Mui Hoong of all person MUST KNOW the going ons in Court… Partial or Impartial…Bias or NON-Bias

    Question???… why Now and this Case in particular when Maid was found INNOCENT and Pro Bono lawyer did a Good Job…

    And a Judge NOT BEHOLDEN!!!

    Why NOT??? when the Privy Council Overturn the JBJ case as a Miscarriage of Justice???

    and Why NOT??? to a case to be built upon on the evidence of Corruption for the Lees who bought 28 Scotts & Nassim Jade receiving gratification of discount…goes to Parliament and TV talking cocks of Char Kway Teow and No Level Playing Field…

    By returning or giving the Discount to Charity is an Admission of Guilt of Receiving

    Chua Mui Hoong you are a Hypocrite like your Masters trying to do a One Up on a Case gone viral and receiving worldwide attention

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  • J. Teo talking cock. Again:

    Straits Tn mimes: Nearly 1,000 precision engineering jobs available in S’pore since April, with bulk for PMETs\

    “Salaries for the PMET jobs on offer in the precision engineering industry vary according to the specific job nature and skills required.

    For example, industrial and production engineers may earn between $2,600 and $6,000, with the 50th percentile at $3,350. Manufacturing engineering technicians can earn between $1,500 and $2,350, with the 50th percentile at $1,750.”

    —————-

    Note that the salaries mentions are BELOW the new qualifying salary of $4,500 for Employment Pass so foreigners cannot get these jobs. Most likely, they would not want it anyway because the pay is low.

    Josephine Teo did not mention the career and pay prospects for the precision engineering jobs. Why? Likely because these are poor. Why? Because these job will eventually go to lower-wage countries in the region like Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia or Thailand.

    Another con job from PAP.

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  • Halimah Totally USELESS:

    Up and until the PAPIGS tightly entrenched Cronysm and Nepotism are dismantled, similar incidents like this will be happening.
    To expect accountability and transparency from these elitist and arrogant Cronies, more opposition need to be added into Parliament.

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  • on balance of probability:

    //Mind you, the rich are not our enemy. Neither are the poor always the ones being oppressed, or bullied. //

    yar lor. rich is juxtaposed with “not our enemy” and poor is juxtaposed “neither always .. the ones being oppressed” ?? so see hor, the framing of the language will nudge you towards a better opinion of the rich as the rich can also be oppressed (how likely lor relative to the poor) hor ??

    why not like that say on balance of probability the rich “exploit / bully” the poor rather on the way round ??

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  • Another PAP's good job!:

    Mr Han really took alot of time and effort to write such a long article which is highly commendable including other writers as well. I had long long ago given up on this PAP government due to my observations and experiences with many boards. They just couldn’t be bothered with your complaints etc simply I dun belong to an elite group.
    LHL still loves to hang on to power despite so many ministers resigned. Well they had made enough money. So something must be up the sleeves like Korean PMs, all got charged for corruption etc after they lost their power.
    Yet to be seen what’s gonna happen!
    They FTs, PRs, new citizens and increase population will continue and PAP will not give a damn to Singaporeans! No transparency from Temasek, GIC , etc
    Time will tell.

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  • Tremendous:

    No one is saying that good government and good political holders cannot go hand in hand. What the village chief is telling everyone is if the village got good government, but has bad political holders covering up for big shots,
    then justice may never even see daylight.
    How many years did the manpower chief and management cover up the issues ?
    How many years did the home affairs chief and management cover up the issues ?
    How many years did the transport chief and management cover up the issues ?
    Having a home affairs chief who take years to sort things out is laughable, like his colleague chief said.
    Still want more of the same kind of chiefs and anyone can confirm that lots of idiots exist in the village.

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  • xoxo:

    PRIDE AND PREJUDICE are the causes that led to this UGLY RICH STINKINGPOREAN CASE.

    THE RICH N POWERFOOL$ think they can simply TEACH their kids to be SELF-SERVING N SELFISH with no retribution.

    KARMA WILL ENSURE their daft thinking is cinpletely WRONG!

    THE EVIL YOU DO UNTO OTHERS ESPECIALLY THE WEAK WILL COME BACK TO HAUNT YOU.

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  • ITE Only:

    First , personally the IO screw up next the ministry in charge whether to prosecute or not also screw up.

    IO probably too well paid and ignorance of outside world. They basically stereotyped everything from their own angle. They are not aware foreign workers or foreign students ( plus some singaporeans ) when leaving sg for good really dump majority of items if not everything they bought here. Because too troublesome to bring back. Especially females. Packets of clothings though used but still in good condition. Branded somemore e.g. mango , banana republic, forever 21 , levis, H&M , even armani ….

    Sometime functing bicycles and electronics gadgets also throw.

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  • Boh Chee = Human Nature:

    Few weeks ago i mentioned i saw a thrown laptop charger in the collection bin at void deck nearby the lift. I decided to bring it home upstair and test it to see if its recyclable ( yes, its working ). So happened my 八婆 lady neighbor staying one floor above saw and start paparazzi around with her kakis. Make jokes on me or even bad mouth about me.

    Like i said before sometimes we see something and decide to recycle it , never once hear surrounding people who happen to see us praise us ( e.g. reducing waste , save the planet … ) but instead all criticisms , sarcasms , ridicule us, call us low class , stingy ….etc

    But if its a event clearing rubbish on the beach where students, people, families participating and MPs or maybe even Ministers attended. Of course with reporters photoshooting plus reporting on the news. Then suddenly all these participants are deemed as saviours?
    Strangely all these neighbors never once have i heard them criticising the participants let alone MPs or Ministers.

    This maid even worst, deemed as thief.

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  • WhoSaidLifeWasFair?:

    Najib was tried and sentenced plus fined xxxmillions of$RM.
    yet he’s still smiling and walking free.. he’s planning a retrial.
    i was thinking it’ll be the same drama here if any of the PAPs or theirs are one day convicted of xxxwhatever …
    so we keep on dreaming…

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  • TUMASIK Patriot:

    Dr Tan Tai Wei:
    AG and his Deputy claimed that they had no dealing with this prosecution, that it went with normal AGO proceedings without calling for their intervention from the top. But surely, they must have ultimately signed some form to let the go-ahead, being ultimately responsible? They just signed without at least browsing through, or being briefed somehow? So trusting of subordinates, indeed so careless of such important matters under their charge as state prosecutions, indeed so carefree of their own personal interests, their job and career prospects being, or should be affected if things went wrong? More, in this case, surely office talk did went around about the importance and connections of the one who made the police report. AG and Deputy weren’t alerted, and they did not take some interest, say over coffee? Then if not officially, then unofficially oversaw?
    So Ag has “recused” himself from further action, and Deputy takes over. So now, he and others of the same underlings have to consider the possible prosecution of the Liews, say as regards false police reporting, or lying under oath. But the consequences would include undermining their own professional creditability, because of their undeniable past involvement in the case, officially or not.
    Do we not need a new AGO to review the case?

    Dr Tan Tai Wei:
    “AG and his Deputy claimed that they had no dealing with this prosecution, that it went with normal AGO proceedings without calling for their intervention from the top.”………..

    Dr Tan Tai Wei:

    Both AG & Dy AG are Beholden to one in Pink Panty…will a puppy bite the master that feeds it well???…sitting attentively next to a Gramaphone and Listening to…”His Master’s Voice” the forerunner of RCA Record is what they are PAID for!!!

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  • Justice affordability:

    And this cums ao coincidentally before the LHL vs LSH case?

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  • Realistically:

    It is a pity, sad and regrettable that people like Michael Han and indeed almost all the commentators and commenters failed or otherwise refused to face up to the CORE problem, which is the systemic deprivation of justice to those critics and or potential opponents of the emperor without clothes regime by making use of the judiciary, amongst other means to “ABUSE HIS POWER” (as charged by his own siblings) to “FIX” them and or to protect his cronies and supporters……remember at the same occasion when the emperor talked about how he would spend time to “FIX” his opponents in Parliament if there were too many Oppos that he had also had to spend time of how to “BUY’ the supporters’ votes?

    Well in making Liew Mun Leong victorious in the 1st level trial, his regime thought that he had satisfied his 2nd objective to indirectly “BUY” his supporters’ votes. So it should not have come as a surprise about the travesty of justice, as I see it, against what others describing the travesty as a “miscarriage of justice”. From what I have googled on the subject of ‘miscarriage of justice’ against ‘travesty of justice’, as shown below, there is a significant difference in that travesty involves DELIBERATE miscarriage of justice. ……which, I submit was the case in District Judge Olivia Low’s conviction of Ms Parti Liyani.

    The fact that Liew Mun Leong is rich, well-connected and powerful is of secondary importance, in the sense that he met the 2nd criteria of the emperor without clothes public declaration of “BUYING” his supporters’ votes.

    A miscarriage of justice arises when the decision of a court is inconsistent with the substantive rights of a party.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=travesty+of+justice+vs+miscarriage+of+justice&oq=travesty+of+justice++vs+miscarriage+of+justice&aqs=chrome..69i57j33.23917j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    “Miscarriage of justice” is sometimes used to describe any wrongful conviction, even when the defendant may be guilty, for example in reference to a conviction reached as the result of an unfair or disputed trial. … The term travesty of justice is sometimes used for a gross, DELIBERATE miscarriage of justice.

    To be cont’d

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  • Realistically:

    That the High Court judgment acquitting Ms Parti Liyani’s with Justice Chan’s numerous grounds but especially his observation that Liew Mun Leong’s Police Report which led to the prosecution and conviction of his Indo maid by DJ Olivia Low, was made with “improper motive” must be most damming of DJ Olivia Low’s REFUSING/DISALLOWING Liyani’s Counsel to rely on that piece of evidence in her Defence and thereby substantially, if not totally, weakened her defence must be the most telling part of the SYSTEMIC/INSTITUTIONALISED Scheme to deprive the lesser mortals like Liyani and many others, including the parents of the teenage who was KILLED when a severely corroded lamp post fell on him while he was playing basketball/shooting hoops at the public basketball court under the Tampines Town Council, of which I would further comment below.

    The High Court said mention of “IMPROPER MOTIVE” is a strong indictment of DJ Olivia Low’s male fide decision refusing Liyani’s Counsel submitting the maid’s compliant to MOM which had severely prejudiced her defence.

    The other mention by Justice Chan which again showed up the TRAVESTY of the judicial system was the DPP MISLEADING the court and the defence when the DPP hooked up the DVD player which was deemed to be spoilt by the Liew family (and any lay person), directly to the DVD’s hard-disc which could play the videos on the hard disc, BUT could not play any fresh DVD disc………..which should be the criterion for the DVD player to be considered by the Liew family to be spoilt.

    All those minor incidents in the High Court judgment which the 158th ranked media’s Chua Mui Hoong has described and which seemed to have a big impact on Michael Han (and similar commenters) are, in my mind, effort to distract the public of the TRUE PICTURE of the SYSTEMIC Scheme to inflict the travesty of justice where it is deemed appropriate or what the AGC and or judiciary thought was what the emperor without clothes would expect. There cannot, in my mind, be any other explanations for such travesties against the factual matrix and the laws and usages of the respective cases.

    Dr Tan Cheng Bock has been reported to have called for a public inquiry, not only for the Liyani’s case, but also on the conduct of DJ Olivia Low and the DPP’s involved…………I fully support Dr Tan’s call and hope that this issue would be debated in Parliament.

    To be cont’d

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  • can someone explain?:

    from pap states times to everywhere we turn, the pap narrative is review MOM review AGC review Police.

    but not a single sentence about what criminal charge to mete out on pap liew mun leong for lying.

    nOt oNce about reviewing what punishment is to be meted out to pap liew mun leong.

    can any bro or sis in TRE explain to us in simple sentences – pap liew mun leong has committed criminal offence or not.

    Thank you.

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  • The 'F' Troop:

    It takes a foreign talent like Parti

    Liyani to expose a horrifying skeleton to

    the 61% goons.

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  • Realistically:

    This has been left out:

    Returning to what I’d consider a travesty of justice in the case of the teenager who was killed when a severely corroded lamp post which was installed around 18 years ago from the incident at the Tampines TC of the Tampines GRC headed by then Minister Mah Bow Tan, I wrote to the Coroner Court conducted by Malcolm Tan offering to act as the court’s amicus curia, ie friend of the court, as I had the expertise to do so having been involved in failure investigations of metal failures when I was a Senior Officer in the then Singapore Institute of Standards and Industrial Research (SISIR).

    Initially, the IO was receptive and provided me with a failure analysis report after I had contacted the court following the ST report of the 1st day proceedings. The ST report, to me showed that the explanation of the lamp post killing the teenager was not plausible. Anyway, the IO also agreed to make arrangement for me to inspect the collapsed lamp post which had been removed from the accident site. However it soon became clear that my input would be disadvantage to the Town Council, after I had raised certain points in the failure analysis report with the manager of the PSB which had conducted the investigation, Thereafter I was ignored, although I had turned up at the court and had a chat with a witness who was an Associate Professor in Material Science from NTU. I would emphasis that the parents of the deceased teenager – a labourer – was NOT represented by Counsel and therefore the witnesses were not cross-examined, although I could have shown to the court that such corrosion was a natural outcome and that there must be negligence on the part of the TC and/or its managing agent. I would repeat that from the photographs of the corroded lamp post that it was a classic textbook example of the failure of the lamp post by corrosio\n. For those who still harbour any doubt, the Commission of Inquiry into the major disruption of the MRT in December 2011 headed by an Imperial College Professor REJECTED the failure analysis report of, I believe, the same investigator from TUV which had bought over the commercial activities of PSB, and instead based the COI findings, amongst others, on the failure analysis by Rolls Royce. For the uninitiated readers, Rolls Royce has been in the business of producing aircraft engines and probably the most qualified failure analysis investigators in the WHOLE WORLD.

    What I have narrated about the conduct of Coroner Malcolm Tan’s in the said case of the tragic accident of the death of the teenager killed by negligence of the Tampines TC in failing to properly maintain the corroded lamp post is consistent with the SYSTEMIC effort to deny justice to innocent and people who are poor where it suits the emperor without clothes regime and of the earlier regimes under LKY and Goh Chock Tong.

    Once again, please don’t let minor distractions by the likes of Chua Mui Hoong from the ROOT CAUSE of CORE issues

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  • Tharman talking cock Again:

    Straits Times: Singapore must stay open to maximise opportunities for its people, says Tharman at Singapore Summit

    More PAP bullshit from Tharman. The “opportunities” are maximized for foreigners, NOT Singaporean. Why? Because foreigners are “cheaper” to employ because the are exempted from CPF. For salaries up to $6,000 per month foreigners are 17% cheaper to employ. That is why THOUSANDS of Singaporean PMETs have lost their job to foreigners since LHL became PM. He opened the doors wide open for foreigners to work in Singapore for GDP growth.

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  • Very good:

    Wow, your comments here are very good!

    Realistically: It is a pity, sad and regrettable that people like Michael Han and indeed almost all the commentators and commenters failed or otherwise refused to face up to the CORE problem,

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  • Simple sentence in law?:

    can someone explain?: can any bro or sis in TRE explain to us in simple sentences – pap liew mun leong has committed criminal offence or not.

    There is no simple sentence to satisfy you.

    1. We can say, based on the judgement, there seems to be a case to go to court. No doubt about this. The judge already written in stone about improper motive in police report.
    2. But remember even if so, there will have to be further police investigation, because the judge verdict applies to Parti, not to this person. Will people have to be interrogated from 7 pm to 6 am?
    3. Further remember that in Singapore, the AG has full discretion on who to prosecute and for what crimes. Courtesy of the decision by a very famous CJ. So even if police says yes, AG can say forget it.
    4. Even if go to court, it will go through many levels of judges.
    5. Maybe even our dearest beloved President will step in and pronounce something on the advice of the Cabinet.
    6. This could be a 10-year process. Remember a simple non-existent theft took 4 years. Some very relevant people might even be in another world before the final verdict.

    So how can you get any simple sentence? But, as people say, justice is in the eyes of the public. You make up your own mind. Yes or no?

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  • oxygen:

    @ Michael Han

    THE PEASANTS IN LEE-jiapore is gonna watch ELEPHANTS dance – no matter what the forward review story-telling gonna be.

    High Court judge Justice Chan have sliced a SEARING HOT knife through the proverbial butter with these observations.

    Justice Chan :In my judgment, this constitutes an impermissible reversal of the burden of proof on the accused. It appears that the same standard of proof was not demanded or required of the Prosecution. No adverse inferences were drawn against the Prosecution from failing to call witnesses who could corroborate or support Karl’s internally contradictory testimony regarding his alleged ownership of the pink knife

    DJ Olivia Low’s apparent acceptance of the “tenacious” prosecution narratives and flawed evidence has IMPERMISSIBLY AND SUBTLY SHIFTED the burden of proof from the prosecution to the defendant.

    This is an ERROR OF LAW compounding the error of facts (evidences) – the chain of evidences preservation having been broken and left in the possessions and control of whatever use the accusers so desire.

    The maid “stole” junk besides contradictory and unreliable testimony of Karl?

    AND THE TENACIOUS PROSECUTION IN THE DISTRICT COURT PROCEEDINGS KEPT SILENT of movie-watching ????

    Wonder what Chua Mui Hoong would write after the forward “review” still pending.

    I think peasants are more likely than not going to watch ELEPHANTS dancing.

    Amazing stuffs!!

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  • Love thy neighbor as thyself:

    “Be good and you will be lonesome …. Honor is a harder master than law… Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest…. Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see.”

    - Mark Twain, father of American literarure

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  • who is judging?:

    @can someone explain?

    To the person requesting for a simplified explanation, there is no such thing really.

    It depends on YOUR premise on Who is the one JUDGING that liew mum leong’s “crimes”?

    Is it solely you and your own set of rules and beliefs? Like many of the readers here? Or do you trust the authorities and the “law” wholeheartedly in their “judgement” and “fairness”? This is a question that honestly, only YOU can answer.

    As you have said, you have read a lot of other people’s views, so I wonder what are you looking for exactly?? Someone to directly tell you whether he is “criminal” and not think??? Maybe it is better to collate what others have been saying (yes, from both side, even the propaganda Straits Times) and make your own judgement.

    If you want my opinion, right or wrong is irrelevant without power to enforce it, and right now, though there may be public backlashes and outcry, it will never be enough to challenge the sheer imbalance of the current system in the hands of the vested few usual suspects that runs it for their own interest, but there is definitely an internal “judgement” going on within the inner circles right now, and they are calculating whether to save those involved or not. Read what I just said and remember it, they are CALCULATING it.

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  • C.O.I needed urgently:

    .O.I urgently needed:

    THE spectacular fall of MR. Liew Mun Leong obviously caused by the many glaring flaws that relevant authorities simply glossed over and leaned over to side of the powerful businessman with links with the gagmt setup companies.
    THIS IS OF GREAT CONCERNS TO PUBLIC, AS MANY TIMES IN THE PAST,PUNISHMENTS METED TO THE POOR FOR MINOR OFFENCES ARE VERY HEAVY .
    YET WHEN COME TO THE RICH AND POWERFUL WITH CONNECTIONS IT SEEM VERY LIGHT IN THE EYES OF THE PUBLIC.
    THE ABOVE ‘BOMBSHELL” REVELATIONS IN THIS HIGH COURT FURTHER REINFORCED THE PERCEPTION WHICH FOR YRS COMMON PEOPLE HAVE IN HOW THESE POWERFUL PEOPLE ARE TREATED.
    IT IS TIME TO HAVE A C.O.I TO BE LED BY A HIGH COURT JUDGE TO REDRESS ALL THESE “GLARING FLAWS”.
    THESE INSTITUTIONS OF POLICE AND JUSTICE, BOTH SAID THEY NOTED SERIOUSLY THE HIGH COURT JUDGEMENTS AND LOOK FORWARD TO STUDY THEM.
    THESE INSTITUTIONS ON GOING CORRECTIONS WILL MOUNT TO AN “OWN SELF CHECK OWN SELF.” THIS MAY NOT BE ENOUGH.
    A C.O.I LED BY A HIGH COURT JUDGE IS ESSENTIALLY NEEDED.
    OR MAYBE THE PRESIDENT OF THE COUNTRY CAN INSTITUTE A C.O.I, WHICH THE LAWS HAD ENACTED FOR OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY.
    AUTHORITY ARE GIVEN TO THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENCY FOR THIS PURPOSE TO CALL FOR a C.O.I IN THE EXERCISING OF THE SECOND”KEY” TO ENSURE THE INTEGRITY OF OUR INSTITUTIONS.
    THESE LAWS ARE ENACTED ESPECIALLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF ENSURING THE INTEGRITY OF THESE INSTITUTIONS.THE “GLARING FLAWS” TOTALLY DESTROY THE INTEGRITY OF THESE INSTITUTIONS TO ITS CORE.
    NOTHING SHORT OF a of C.O.I(COMMITTEE OF INQUIRY) WILL ALLAY PUBLIC GREAT CONCERNS.

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  • Realistically:

    For those who have missed out on my original reposting of the ST report on the incident of the badly corroded lamp post, I will comment on what I consider the more salient parts of the report for comments to support my case that the Coroner hearing was a SHAM and a travesty of justice for the parents of the teenager who was killed as a result of what I see as the prima facie case of negligence on the part of the TC. Readers can read the whole article to satisfy themselves that I am NOT in any way “cheery picking” nor comment out of context at the following link: https://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/93074

    1. Anyone with a semblance of education (and even those without education but with experience)
    knows that steel would rust causing the steel structure to thin and finally fail. The zinc galvanising of the lamp post, in this case, would help prolong the life span of the lamp post in acting as a sacrificial electrode but would sooner or later – depending on the weather conditions – be consumed, leading to the corrosion of the steel itself and its eventual failure. Therefore how the Coroner Malcolm Tan ‘could be satisfied that there is neither any individual nor organisation that is criminally concerned with the death’ was totally without basis and against known scientific FACTS the reality of the corrosion (ie RUST) of the steel lamp post.

    2. Note the ST report of the “highly unusual move for a coroner’s inquiry, the town council’s
    lawyers, Mr Shashi Nathan and Mr Peter Chean, made written submissions to the court, saying that the teen’s death could not be conclusively attributed to any known party.” As I hv argued in [1], the lawyers were spewing absolute rubbish which Malcolm Tan had, against the scientific fact, accepted to base his decision. From the legal point of view, the TC had the duty and responsibility of properly maintaining the structures within its jurisdiction to ensure the safety of the public making use of those facilities. Since it is a KNOWN FACT that a steel member in a structure would rust/corrode, it must be imperative that such a KNOWN SCIENTIFIC FACT be incorporated into the maintenance protocol. In this case, it – the proper maintenance of any stell structure, including the lamp posts exposed to the rain and sun which are ideal conditions for rust/corrosion to take place – was apparently not factored into the maintenance protocol. Hence the TAMPINES TOWN COUNCIL under the Tampines GRC headed by then Minister Mah Bow Tan, must he held CRIMINALLY NEGLIGENT and that TC should have, on its own accord if it had ANY compassion at all, paid the full legal based compensation which I submit should be in the order of ONE MILLION DOLLARS and not the desultory $45k which I understood from the ST columnist Dr Andy Ho. To Tharman Shanmugaratnam, WHERE WAS YOUR ALLEGED COMPASSION which you have rebutted the wayang party’s MP for Sengkang GRC, Jamus Lim, that the wayang party did not monopolise compassion?

    To be cont’d

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  • Realistically:

    3. As for the report that “… the Tampines Town Council had gone out of its way to provide
    Wei Yi’s family with support and assistance” a tragic loss of a 13 year old HUMAN LIFE loss was considered as having “gone out of tis way to provide Wei Yi’s family with support and assistance”, compared to the multi-milliion dollar Minister’s pay, excluding the $16k MP allowance paid to all Mah Bow Tan’s fellow MPs in the GRC? Surely that showed up the moral bankruptcy of the Coroner Malcolm Tan, the DPP’s from the Attorney-General’s office; the TC lawyers Mr Shashi Nathan and Mr Peter Chean; Minister Mah Bow Tan and his fellow MPs in the Tampines GRC; the CEO of the HDB; and most importantly the emperor without clothes who, in my opinion, has no qualms at all of betraying his own parents wish to have 38 Oxley Road demolished.

    4. Sinkies should better understand why I keep talking about the BANKRUPTCY of the
    judiciary and of the emperor without clothes regime.

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  • Tharman talking cock again:

    Tharman talking cock Again:
    Straits Times: Singapore must stay open to maximise opportunities for its people, says Tharman at Singapore Summit

    More PAP bullshit from Tharman. The “opportunities” are maximized for foreigners, NOT Singaporean. Why? Because foreigners are “cheaper” to employ because the are exempted from CPF. For salaries up to $6,000 per month foreigners are 17% cheaper to employ. That is why THOUSANDS of Singaporean PMETs have lost their job to foreigners since LHL became PM. He opened the doors wide open for foreigners to work in Singapore for GDP growth.

    Singapore was “open” and thousands of Singaporean PMETS lost their job to foreigners. Now when the economy is “bad” and employers are “downsizing” (retrenching staff) to survive he wants Singapore to remain “open” to foreigners. He must be mad.

    In a downturn if the Government cannot create enough jobs for Singaporeans then it must give the job of a foreigner to a Singaporean by cancelling the work visa of the former to force him/her to go home. It is that simple.

    The main problem PAP has in tackling the economic downturn is its PRO-ALIEN (ANTI-SINGAPOREAN) policies.

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  • Screwed By Son & Wife:

    This is a classic example of the son and wife screwing the father/husband without considering the consequences.

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  • Send foreigners home:

    MOM: Retrenchments Hit 11,350 In H1 2020 – Exceeds Initial Estimations, 2003 SARS Outbreak

    For every Singaporean retrenched one foreigner working in Singapore should be forced to go home by cancelling his/her work visa. The Singaporeans can take his/her job.

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  • can provide opportunities:

    //must stay open to maximise opportunities for its people,//

    maybe botak idiot can advise his own gang of white monkeys to keep their one-party curry function open for oppo so that oppo can provide opportunities for the white gang lor ???

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  • Jman:

    I think the toughest questions would be these, which should be put to LML and KL in Court:

    1. Why did you fix, and set up your helper?
    2. To Mr LML, you are a highly experienced man of commerce. Did you verify the statements put forward by your son, before you publicly supported the prosecution on grounds of principle? And if you did, how did you come to the conclusion to rely on statements and representations from your son, one you have reason to believe to be less than reliable?

    All this PR talk and statements cannot pull wool over the eyes of the public.

    This was exceedingly bad behaviour, and little said by the Estab to acknowledge that it is so.

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