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Will the public ‘commons’ of Dover or Clementi Forests be converted to private condos in the future?

I refer to the articles, “Nature groups oppose zoning of Dover Forest in Ulu Pandan for residential use – The Straits Times, 17 January 2021), “Dover Forest To Make Way For Residential Development, Netizen Starts Petition To Reconsider Decision” and “Ulu Pandan BTO flats in 2021: Prices + What to Expect”.

It is saddening to hear of yet another green space about to be turned into a concrete jungle, after Clementi Forest recently; we have already lost the Tengah forest to development.

I must remind the government that these green spaces are considered “Commons” that belong to (and to be enjoyed by) the citizens and subsequent generations. We do not want them to be cleared to make way for HDB and then, maybe 30-40 years down the road, these HDB flats are SERSed and land sold to private developers for private housing (effectively turning parks meant for public enjoyment into private condominiums for use by these select few residents), as has happened before – eg HDB flats in Sims Drive, blocks 56/57 etc now becoming private condominiums Penrose and Sims Urban Oasis. (I am sure no one in the government can definitely confirm the same with the upcoming HDB flats in the Dover and Clementi forests eventually turning into private condominiums will never happen?)

We need to be reminded that these HDB lands in Geylang/Sims Drive were compulsorily acquired from private owners back in the 60s/70s for a song in the name of “National Development” (no issue with that for a sacrificial national cause as my family’s freehold land in Geylang was so acquired (@ < S$1 psf) for this purpose).

But if these public parks like Tengah, Clementi, Dover, etc eventually end up being turned into private condominiums (like Penrose or Sims Urban Oasis in Sims Drive, for example) for the enjoyment of only few private residents, then a serious rethink is necessary.

In this regard, perhaps the government can consider compulsorily acquiring private landed housing at market rates (eg those in Districts 9/10/11, where the future Ulu Panda HDB BTO flats will come up in D10 after the Dover forest has been cleared) to be used for public housing, or “mixed land use… building upwards” suggested by Professor Tay Kheng Soon (see article below), instead of clearing the precious green public spaces? I understand many areas have low plot ratios of 1.4 are due to the surrounding landed housing, for “aesthetic reasons”, hence the restriction to only low rise housing near these landed houses?

I think it is high time the owners of “inefficient land use” low rise/low density landed housing do their “national service” (but without the sacrifice of low acquisition compensation suffered by those land owners in the 60s/70s).

Jeff

P.S. Additionally, the government can also consider converting low density large tracks of land patronized by only a small select group (eg golf courses?) to high rise, high density housing instead? Or roads serving few residents?

 

 

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18 Responses to “Will the public ‘commons’ of Dover or Clementi Forests be converted to private condos in the future?”

  • For your children ...:

    When are those long nose people going to come tell us that all those places are meant for our children and grandchildren to have bigger HDB flats?

    Sinkies have few children. Total number of Sinkies less than 2 million now. Soon it will be 1 million.

    If those long nose people are not long nose, future Sinkies can look forward to 5,000 sq feet super giant HDB apartments.

    Seriously, this Singapore gov is going mad.
    Many Sinkies suffer very badly in this very crowded place.

    Some may say other capital cities are also very crowded. Those people have choices. They can move to less crowded places. Sinkies have nowhere else to move to.

    STOP the pap.

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  • Liar lies frequently:

    Lying is in their DNA.

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  • TKL Guilty:

    case 59280” cluster, mild did not seek medical treatment, now become growing cluster.

    This TKL should be slapped and wholly blamed.

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  • YES YES YES:

    a BIG loud YES! YES!! YES!!!
    goes by success of many examples
    tengah the latest, even it is far friom
    city core
    what more clementi ulu pandan
    can produce many many
    multi millions houses

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  • xoxo:

    Can first convert Istana grounds into Homes for Homeless sgs?

    Why everytime try to milk money and then $quander on foreigners?
    Pls give DETAILED ACCOUNT OF THE $100 BILLION as many citizens of Sg got much less than NON-singaporeans.
    $600 is merely peanuts and a snide at ordinary sgs who are told $1K is enough.
    Then why GRANT FURLOUGH$ TO NON-sg-FTs with HIGH SALARIES that exceed $1K?

    Looking down on own citizens,is it?°°°

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  • TEMUSIK PATRIOT:

    QUESTION…who are we HOUSING for the never ending housing Development???…

    the future 10 million or just Building for Building sake to keep the economy going and the Lies & Deceit of affordable HOUSING???

    Young couples will go into perpetual debt in home ownership with no Funds to enjoy their RETIREMENT…so the BULLSHIT of providing for home ownership is sheer HOGWASH!!!

    Independence-We have arrived & We are the elites attitude of the youngsters are just idealism the PAP is exploiting with their Feel Good and Illusion, a Nation Smart n Successful???

    Phd and Graduates of yore are cab drivers and Grab drivers TODAY!!! some too young to retire and most having NOT enough to enjoy Retirement…I dread to foresee what will happen to the Strawberry Generation when they hit Middle Age…

    What happen to the Filial Piety and caring for the aged parents???…Why NOT give Incentives to the Young to stay with Parents in their old HDB housing and care for them with plenty in Hand when time to Retire…

    Leave the Wannabees for the Private Housing Developers and Provide for the Filial Piety Couples with care and LOVE of family to LIVE the Life and NOT the Evil that awaits them to be Wannabees…

    AND LEAVE the Forest areas @ HDB areas alone… that is where we share NATURE and Family in Peace Health and Harmony

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  • opposition dude:

    Remember Biddadari? Remember Dakota Cresent? What happened to both?

    This is PAP fellow Singaporeans. Selling the land and making money is far more important than preserving nature. Don’t be surprised if they will do the same to Bt Timah and then proudly declare we still have Lim Chu Kang and Pulau Ubin as forested areas!

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  • Tremendous:

    Selling land to fatten the village chief coffers because they couldn’t recover the villagers’ hard earned money from sovereign fund losses ?

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  • Harder Truths:

    Public? Since when is anything public? Everything belongs to the regime. Including you and I.

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  • Zhenzidan:

    It is the easiest way for them to generate revenue. Clear forest to build more to collect rentals! The size of just half a football field can accommodate at least 4 blocks of 20-storey condo. One block of 20-storey condo can have maybe 200 units. If they prize one unit at $800k how much can they earn from just one block? You do your own calculations. Very good money you know?

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  • promote hawkerpreneurship:

    //Some may say other capital cities are also very crowded. Those people have choices. They can move to less crowded places. Sinkies have nowhere else to move to.//

    aiyoh. maybe the white idiots and gang are silently saying (or thinking ?) if daft sinkies buay song, move to other countries lor (sinkie land’s hinterland is other countries lor) ???

    of course, the white idiots will not say it out loud lar (sure kena ‘hamtam’ nice nice one lar ??) but their policy decisions (doing it while saying all the ‘clever’ things ??) will create conditions for many to be pressured out of sinkie land lor ???

    now the ‘propaganda’ from the white monkey idiots is to downplay degree qualifications and to promote hawkerpreneurship lor ?? your future and that of your children is indeed very bright under the white monkey idiots and gang hor ??? one curry party function is good so the white idiots can plan and make fast decisions (for things to move forward and backward also) without too much noise lar ???

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  • singh:

    Singapore needs to revisit the HDB planning and design model. Frankly the SIT version ( was a better design with more character and and spaces and amenities that encouraged social integration. Tiong Bahru is a fine example.

    HDB estates and designs are a legacy of Liu Thai Kher’s and Teh Cheang Wan’s dominance over design and execution when they led HDB and since then the subsequent leadership has not offered anything new.

    I suggest:

    – A low rise mid density concept
    – Bigger flats: this will encourage better family living and also hopefully more kids. Current HDB apartments are just too cramped and pricing is high because the government marks land price to market. Construction costs will also be lower. There are enough studies to support this thesis
    – Variety in look, spaces etc will encourage Singaporeans to think more creatively and be better entrepreneurs. Currently all HDB estates look alike and hence our tendency to group think.

    Take away the usual beuaracrat’s and replace them with visionaries.

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  • TEMUSIK PATRIOT:

    singh:
    Singapore needs to revisit the HDB planning and design model. Frankly the SIT version ( was a better design with more character and and spaces and amenities that encouraged social integration. Tiong Bahru is a fine example.

    HDB estates and designs are a legacy of Liu Thai Kher’s and Teh Cheang Wan’s dominance over design and execution when they led HDB and since then the subsequent leadership has not offered anything new.

    I suggest:

    – A low rise mid density concept
    – Bigger flats: this will encourage better family living and also hopefully more kids. Current HDB apartments are just too cramped and pricing is high because the government marks land price to market. Construction costs will also be lower. There are enough studies to support this thesis
    – Variety in look, spaces etc will encourage Singaporeans to think more creatively and be better entrepreneurs. Currently all HDB estates look alike and hence our tendency to group think.

    Take away the usual beuaracrat’s and replace them with visionaries.

    Bro, they LOST their Vision when the Vision of a Bastard is Planted and CONvicted on their CONformed mind…the old SIT Flats were by Non-CONformist with an Independent Mind and Liberal vision

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  • Polo club land:

    The polo club . Who rides a horse these days ? Ira should acquire the polo club and this beautiful land can be a new eco-city .. have u ever seen a polo game being played .. this is a rusty remandant of a passed era .. WD should have public housing built on polo club land …

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  • Pinky is useless anyway:

    9.9M is on.

    More foreigners will be imported and converted.

    More locals will be asked to be hawkers, care givers, food delivery and self employed.

    We will hit 7M by 2030, 9.9M by 2050.

    Thanks to PAPPY die hards, kiasi and finally new citizens.

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  • Soccerbetting2:

    Reported on the TISG :Quote -”Tan Cheng Bock appeals to save Dover Forest
    “Dover Forest is a green lung that breathes soul to surrounding neighbourhoods,” said Dr Tan as he advocated for its preservation

    Facebook screengrab: Tan Cheng Bock

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    Anna Maria Romero…

    January 28, 2021…

    Singapore—Calling it the “soul of the community,” Dr Tan Cheng Bock has joined the voices in appealing for the preservation of Dover Forest.

    THE SECRETARY-GENERAL OF PROGRESS SINGAPORE PARTY (PSP) WROTE, “DOVER FOREST IS A GREEN LUNG THAT BREATHES SOUL TO SURROUNDING NEIGHBOURHOODS.

    WE OFTEN TAKE FOR GRANTED HOW NATURE CAN RALLY PEOPLE TOGETHER IN A WAY THAT COMMUNITY CENTRES AND MAN-MADE AMENITIES CANNOT.”

    He added that the forest is “simply a gift for us to behold and appreciate. A gift of soul and sanctuary.”

    Dr Tan also shared a link to a ground-up endeavour to save the forest.

    Dover Forest, a 33-hectare site within Ulu Pandan, has been much in the news lately, due to an announcement last month from Desmond Lee, the Minister for National Development.

    The minister said that among the Built-to-Order flats to be launched this year, some would be located at Ulu Pandan Estate in Queenstown.

    The area had already been zoned for residential development under the Urban Redevelopment Authority’s Master Plan 2014.

    On Jan 15, the Nature Society of Singapore’s Conservation Committee, called for Dover Forest to be set apart as a nature park, given the biodiversity in the area, which has 158 animals, among them critically endangered ones, and 120 plant species.

    There is also a petition to save the forest on change.org with nearly 37,000 signatories.”Unquote.

    Response : I remember years back when LKY was alive,there is one news report somewhere (based on recall memory) that indicate that LKY sort of suggest that everywhere in Singapore will be redeveloped in future except the forests somewhere in Mandai crematorium that area if I remember correctly . So Mr Tan Cheng Bock should instead spend his energy checking out why e*** NTUC b**$* woman wing is selling old cucumber at think $4.30 per kg exorbitant prices ! Checking out good prices will help Singaporeans more than protest at forest removed which government will not listen as e*** women wing wants to build more condominium to earn more profits ! Pui!

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    地球村一亿多人新冠感染,大家需要一些常识,万一中招不至于措手无策。
    40%的感染者没有什么症状,也不需服用任何药物,只需要自我隔离14天以上。
    45%有类似流感的症状,需要对症治疗,降温,补水等,二周后恢复。
    15%需要入院治疗,抗病毒治疗,给氧,防血栓等。当中,5%进入ICU, 可能需要呼吸机,可能出现多器官疾病。5%变成慢性疾病。1-2%,最后过逝。
    我们医治的主要目标就是这15%的患者。

    如果疫苗能明显减少这15%的入院病人的数目,比如说降低10倍,变成1.5%,新冠就成了一个“大感冒”。

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  • PAP is Finished:

    Where else are they going to house more aliens coming in? Like those working at Parway Parade don’t even know where East Coast Park is.

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