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Ministers should set a good example by taking the vaccines first

So far, more than 60,000 people in Singapore have taken their C19 jabs and from this week onwards, mass vaccinations will go to the ordinary citizens in a big way starting with seniors living in Ang Mo Kio and Tanjong Pagar.

It is still fresh in many people’s mind that lhl announced on national television that himself, his cabinet colleagues and even the older ones will be vaccinated early to show their confidence in the vaccines and instill confidence in our people.

I have personal confidence in our experts.

My cabinet colleagues and I, including the older ones, will be getting ourselves vaccinated early.

This is to show you, especially seniors like me, that we believe the vaccines are safe.

- Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong

I must say that all that sounded so right, so impressive and so encouraging but wait, let us check.

To date, out of our 35 cabinet members and I stand corrected, about 10 of them have received their C19 jabs.

I take what my ministers said seriously whether it is returning back to the people their CPF savings when they turn 55 years of age or cabinet ministers will take their C19 jabs early to show confidence lalala…What more that promise came from non other than the Prime Minister himself on national television.

About 10 out of 35 is definitely not early in view that more than 60,000 people in Singapore have alearly been vaccinated.

I have high regards and expectations of our ministers and I want to see our ministers walk their talk and keep their words. In one word, it is Credibility. Is that too much to ask?

One swallow doesn’t make a summer.

Think.

 

Simon Lim

 

 

 

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32 Responses to “Ministers should set a good example by taking the vaccines first”

  • Harder Truth:

    How do we know what they actually took? salt water? Please let them prove to us. Only the sheep will believe this without question.

    Anyone who is earning millions is not going to sacrifice their life for ANY reason, such as an unproven, untested vaccine like Pfzir.

    Meanwhile, the rest of us are supposed to (a) believe they took a vaccine (b) not question why they took Pfzir and not Sinovac and (c) take the Phase III Sinovac for Guinea Pigs.

    Does anyone see a problem here?

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  • Ganlinnei:

    Sceptical about the vaccines acquired by the current Singapore ruling party!

    Stay at a safe distance and urge other people to get the vaccination first.

    No matter how transparent the authorities have been, still quake quake here and quake quake there to cast doubts!

    Intelligent or selfish? judge yourself!

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  • @Ganlinnei

    yes yes, help the gahment to encourage EVERYONE around you to take the vaccine quick quick, as long ownself don’t take can liao.

    And then if these “Guinea Pigs” no anything happens, then you take. lol

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  • Okok:

    Yes,I always c doc.and take medicine.But seldom eat.

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  • Flickshit:

    Can you trust them ?? If they can cheat you on the CFP money and do you think they will not lie about this ??

    10 out of 35, then what happeds to the 25 more, dare not take the jab. Be wise and don’t ever trust them.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Simon Lim,

    I VIEW IT DIFFERENTLY FROM YOU – it is definitely NOT 10 out of 35 yardstick measurement or of your contrasting comparison to 60,000 (some under duress) already vaccinated.

    If the confidence is unfettered/unrestraint, you would, by now, have all the 35 cabinet members and their families stepped forward and have vaccinated.

    The 10 out of 35 reveals four things, in my opinion

    - a confidence interval of safe or believed to be safe felt security and acceptance of less than 29% in that random sample, statistically speaking

    - if you add in their respective spouses (but ignoring other family members for now), the CONFIDENCE DEMONSTRATED OF VACCINATION SAFETY FELL anything INTO THE ABYSMAL 15% range

    - leadership by example does not give public confidence with such demonstrated clarity of lack of confidence of vaccine (untested safety and extent of duration protection) at the top among highly informed educated decision-makers MUST MEANT THE REST OF THE PEASANTS have to be alarmed.

    - the 10 out of 35 is what the proverbial mining wisdom saying of explosion and fire risks in coal mines – THE “CANARY IN THE COAL MINES” (google these words to understand its meanings) warning of imminent dangers looming.

    THINK BEFORE YOU LEAP is my way of putting the message across – there is NO SECOND CHANCE.

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  • Elites screw Singaporeans:

    This PM of ours LACKS INTEGRITY and TALKS THROUGH his ARSE.Till now there is no inquiry into Jason Lim the candidate for Jurong East as the PM promised.His ministers are also FULL OF BULLSHIT.Telling the public that the data from the TRACE TOGETHER was ONLY meant for COVID-19 tracking.Bala and Lowlan Wong should be tried under POFMA.May their tongues be CUT OFF in the under world for telling lies.Even if you are President or PM you should not be free from being tried under POFMA.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Simon Lim,

    AGAINST THAT ASSESSED RISKS of binary choice between vaccination with life-long well-being/health risks consequences and not vaccinated (risking infection and death of course), one has to weigh carefully the chance probability of each possible outcome.

    As I knows it, SCIENCE have not give us the cause/source of that covid-19 risks to give us a chance of its suppression by any means including vaccination option. But GEOLOGY teaches me how little we know of Covid-19 of pandemic risks and the chance of fatal outcome.

    Read this link in relation to POGO gold mine in Alaska which is 273 km by road from Anchorage in remote isolated terrain – almost barren completely of human civilisation except for mining operation,

    https://www.resourcesrisingstars.com.au/news-article/northern-star-about-seize-massive-opportunity

    Northern Star Resources CEO :The company managed more than 100 cases of the virus at Pogo during the quarter

    There is no fatalities in that December qtr but 100 infection cases. Did that came from bears or any other animal sources?

    There are definitely more bears inhabiting in that small patch the isolated mining terrain than walking human anytime. Indeed there were multiple bear attacks, including fatalities.

    http://www.newsminer.com/news/alaska_news/fatal-bear-attack-reported-at-pogo-mine-2nd-person-injured/article_da3a1e60-553d-11e7-9618-df1c4a4bb5fc.html

    At least they hunted down that predatory black bear – momentarily contained of fatal risks. In covid-19 contrast, peasants are asked to step forward to life/death choice of risks undertaking which the unnatural aristocrat are NO MORE DEMONSTRABLY WILLING AND ABLE to.

    When there are 100 infections in 3 months in remote geography, I AM COCKSURE that the vaccine is USELESS of protective cover. We can only “protect” ourselves with good hygiene habits, safe entry measures in crowded places to avoid recieving transmission and safe distancing.

    The miners in POGO gold mine has no safe distancing option – they worked in close proximity to each other just like geology field workers killed by hungry bears roaming nearby.

    WHERE DID THE 100 INFECTIONS in POGO mine came from when the rest of Alaska is pretty quiet of covid-19 pandemic spread?

    My suspicion is one infected and spread to the rest.

    CAN WE STOP ONE INFECTION IN LEE-jaipore with open border and 4X the number of tourists/visitors to local long-term residents?

    VACCINATION IS USELESS – the leakage is TOO BIG TO CONTAIN OF RISKS.

    Anyone wants to disagree?

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  • the best litmus test:

    //leadership by example does not give public confidence with such demonstrated clarity of lack of confidence of vaccine (untested safety and extent of duration protection) at the top among highly informed educated decision-makers MUST MEANT THE REST OF THE PEASANTS have to be alarmed.//

    clap clap. the best litmus test ?? always look at what they do, not what they say ???

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  • TEMUSIK PATRIOT:

    Going Public taking Sterile Water jab is the way to Promote lah!!!…

    Living in a walled surroundings at work & home with disinfection bath daily is the NORM for Ministers… the Pleasures is theirs and the Risks is for you silly sheeple

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  • Dio leh Luo MO:

    Hello stupid, this fellow don’t serve your lengthy response. He is a fake opposition. Full of his own self-importance. Put this on record, put that on record. It will add up one day the PAP, if they have the time to put all his record for close scrutiny. They will frighten the shit out of this big mouth. How did he knew it was 10 out 35.From the ST?
    Can this CB mouth name the 10 person, the date and time and the place they received the vaccines and the name of the vaccines? Talk like real. So, easy for more of them receive the vaccines out of public eyes, for State security reason. Tell, your PAP master you are putting on record what you have said here.

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  • oxygen:

    GLOBALLY, COVID-19 HAVE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED on mining operations in the remotest geography and isolated terrain even for small scale exploration work involving a handful of geologists or a small minute crew of lesser than a dozen field drilling crew members.

    The reason is that mining regulators can’t look past the dangers and risks of infecting indigenous population which could wipe tribal population into extinction.

    If vaccination is the silver bullet solution, then the logical thing to do to restore all mining and exploration work is to vaccinate mining operation employees.

    THIS IS NOT THE CASE NOW.

    POGO MINE IN ALASKA STARTS WITH ONE, isolated of care, but the CYCLE OF REPEATED INFECTIONS from unidentified/unidentifiable origin continues such that by end of December quarter, over 100 mine workers have been infected and recovered.

    Without the recovery cycle, POGO MINE WOULD HAVE SHUT DOWN for reason of shortage of skilled manpower even if the mining regulator didn’t shut down that mine.

    Even now, the virus is mutating – the obvious risks that vaccination backfires of a TROJAN HORSE is unknown risks. The UK Health Minister warned that new mutations are increasingly resistant to existing vaccine.

    Vaccines may not work as well on virus variants UK Health Minister

    https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/vaccines-may-not-work-as-well-on-virus-variants-uk-health-minister-20210125-p56wit.html

    Other experts also warned -

    ‘Rapidly mutating’: Expert issues disturbing Covid vaccine warning

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/expert-issues-disturbing-covid-vaccine-warning-214432881.html

    THAT EXISTING VACCINE

    Professor Anthony Harnden,chair of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation :Single dose may only provide 33 per cent immunity

    Even the LENGTH OF PROTECTION durable or pretended of “effective” protection, of this 33% “success” rate (a completely surprise discovery by researchers after 200,000 were vaccinated in Israel), it must be noted, is unknown.

    ANY MORE NASTY SURPRISE WAITING?

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  • oxygen:

    Australian Secretary of the Department of Health Professor Brendan Murphy cautioned against unbridled optimism in vaccine drive.

    There is no guarantee the vaccine will prevent transmission.

    That means in LEE-jiapore case, one imported case could result the pandemic spread like wild fire even if 100% of resident population vaccinated – EFFECTIVE TO 33% PROTECTION for however short duration.

    OR UNLESS we want to vaccinate at least once a year with UNKNOWN EFFECTIVENESS until we get infected IN SPITE OF THE VACCINATION.

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  • Sceptic of CPF Scam:

    The 10 gangho or daft ministers could have been injected with glucose that they themselves don’t even know it.

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  • Billy ma:

    This thought just came to mind.
    How about keeping the china-made viccine for all from China here, both new citizens & long term residents.

    I’m sure this group of people with trust the viccine produced from their motherland.

    This may then spare Singaporeans from having force to have this very risky liquid into our bodies.

    Seriously, I have no trust in PAP both in inability & integrity.

    Sad.

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  • Jo Teo jabbed already not??:

    Hope Jo Teo be jabbed asap if possible because i love her so much. Her visits to Dormitories will be safer with the vaccination.

    Oops, i inadvertently disclosed i am her secret admirer.

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  • xoxo:

    People who grin are insincere.
    This bloke grins alot.

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  • Milo:

    False sense of security if where to look on the other side?the hap hazard introduced half pass 6.

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  • Harder Truths:

    The Pfzir vaccine efficiency is reported at 33% from Israel. The drug companies and politicians are trying to cover this up.

    https://sg.yahoo.com/news/immunity-first-dose-covid-vaccine-as-low-as-33-per-cent-121212753.html

    This regime so brave to take such a third-rate vaccine? Really? So what about Sinovac? Why so diam diam?

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  • Mai Siam:

    I am for the thinking that the ministers and mps will not vaccinate themselves so soon. Because of the unknown effect of the vaccine, if anything will to happen to them, there will be a need to re-organize the postings and even worse, a by-election.

    They will likely keep their share of the vaccines in a safe place and wait for the mass vaccination of the population, which is probably the only way to test the vaccine.

    And you may also wonder why they start with the age group of the elderly. I am not saying the vaccine is bad, I am just saying that they have to test the vaccine to know its effectiveness, to collect the statistics for different people and different age group.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Mai Siam

    SO IT IS STILL BACK to Animal Farm where some un-natural aristocrats is superior of risks protection than “lesser mortals” peasants?

    Mai Siam: I am for the thinking that the ministers and mps will not vaccinate themselves so soon. Because of the unknown effect of the vaccine, if anything will to happen to them, there will be a need to re-organize the postings and even worse, a by-election.

    They will likely keep their share of the vaccines in a safe place and wait for the mass vaccination of the population, which is probably the only way to test the vaccine.

    And you may also wonder why they start with the age group of the elderly. I am not saying the vaccine is bad, I am just saying that they have to test the vaccine to know its effectiveness, to collect the statistics for different people and different age group.

    Australia’s peak body for obstetricians has advised most pregnant women not to get a COVID-19 vaccine at this stage. The recommendation is due to the current lack of vaccine trial data on any potential side effects on pregnant women.

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-moderna-says-its-vaccine-protects-against-covid-19-variants-cases-worldwide-approach-100-million-20210125-p56wj0.html

    And AstraZeneca denies report vaccine less effective in elderly of those over 65, according to German daily papers Handelsblatt and Bild.

    In any case, is any of the current Covid-19 vaccine approved by EU’s medicines authority EMA ?

    I bet NOT!! PAPpypolitics is aware of this fact or should be aware of this fact as they got “advice” prior from experts according to official sources.

    The Israeli experience of WATERFALL DECLINING EFFICACY to 33% was tested on HEALTHY SUBJECTS – reflecting the actual WILL ALWAYS FALL SHORT, sometimes, way well under – the research lab test experiment readings, particularly for those with weaker health vulnerability and elderly.

    PAPpypolitics must knows of these risks & its safety implications for themselves as well!

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  • Lupin:

    Yep. ‘Lesser mortals’ should be exterminated. So I guess you’re of higher breed? Sorry, I am of Royal breed, so you go first. And that includes the aristocratic class as well.

    Mai Siam:
    I am for the thinking that the ministers and mps will not vaccinate themselves so soon. Because of the unknown effect of the vaccine, if anything will to happen to them, there will be a need to re-organize the postings and even worse, a by-election.

    They will likely keep their share of the vaccines in a safe place and wait for the mass vaccination of the population, which is probably the only way to test the vaccine.

    And you may also wonder why they start with the age group of the elderly. I am not saying the vaccine is bad, I am just saying that they have to test the vaccine to know its effectiveness, to collect the statistics for different people and different age group.

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  • Is Mai Hum on MC or holiday? How cum no sight no sound one?

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    Kindly look at Israel.

    接种第二针辉瑞疫苗后,12.8万以色列人群只有20人(0.015%)得新冠,验证疫苗有效性95%以上。以色列用答应辉瑞报告实时数据的方式,获得有保障的大量疫苗供应。以色列将成为全球第一个实现全民免疫的案例。照现在的速度,900万人口,下月底就可以打完疫苗。

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  • oxygen:

    @ PAP mandate strong

    What & where is your infor source reference? You haven’t supplied.

    How did you arrive at the statistic claimed? Based on what benchmark or measurement do you apply of claimed “effectiveness” in those quantitative derivation?

    PAP mandate strong: Kindly look at Israel.

    接种第二针辉瑞疫苗后,12.8万以色列人群只有20人(0.015%)得新冠,验证疫苗有效性95%以上。以色列用答应辉瑞报告实时数据的方式,获得有保障的大量疫苗供应。以色列将成为全球第一个实现全民免疫的案例。照现在的速度,900万人口,下月底就可以打完疫苗。

    Would be interesting if other countries would get excited of this marvel.

    No evidence in the financial market actions in stocks/currencies volatility tonight gives me any confidence of your claims are credible?

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  • oxygen:

    @ PAP mandate strong.

    IF YOUR UNBRIDLED EXUBERANCE of the Israeli vaccination result is true, I should see all these happenings in the financial market

    - strong rally in US Dollar
    - strong rally in US/European equities
    - a collapse in the price of spot gold
    - a collapse in the share price of gold stocks which are unhedged of forward contract – at the moment of this writing, Canadian/US gold stocks is gaining across the board.

    https://www.kitco.com/stocks/hui.html

    and OF COURSE, A RALLYING MELT-UP in the share price of Pfizer Inc.

    https://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=PFE&insttype=Stock

    Pfizer share price is up a pathetic 0.28% on overnight level.

    SO NONE OF THESE- NOT EVEN ONE – IS HAPPENING.

    Please check your source credibility.

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  • oxygen:

    @ PAP mandate strong,

    AFTER EUROPEAN AND US MARKET CLOSED, I checked the results of the day’s financial market actions outcome.

    Here it is
    - US$ measured on the DXY index on marketwatch.com says it is flat unchanged.
    - all three major US equities market indices, DJIA, SPX, Nasdaq were DOWN.
    - gold price was down US$5.40 or 0.29 %
    - gold stock were mixed on Hui index.

    https://www.kitco.com/stocks/hui.html

    The share price of Pfizer was up only 0.08% (peanuts).

    If Pfizer has scored the breakthrough in the Israeli test experience, and there are 7.4 BILLION people living on this planet, PFIZER would make more money than Google, Facebook, Netflix, Amazon and MSFT combined every year and its share price wouldn’t be STUCK AT US$37.31 per share at close.

    https://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=PFE&insttype=Stock

    The logical conclusion that must be derived from these evidences?

    YOUR INFORMATION SOURCE AND YOUR POST UNBRIDLED EXUBERANCE here IS UNRELIABLE AND IRRATIONAL.

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  • oxygen:

    WHAT IS ALARMING in the Pogo gold mine in Alaska is these observations

    - after the first infection was airlifted out to hospital care, and every other infected case (after the rest tested negative in each test cycle) the same, THE INFECTION CONTINUES.

    - where did the subsequent infections came from to reach over 100 cases after infected cases taken away from mine site?

    - was it from contaminated touching and handling of “infected” mine tools and mining equipment used in mining operations?

    - was the infection contamination came from trapped oxygen air laden with virus within underground mining operation? If that is the case, airline transportation, crowded MRT, and public transport and shopping/supermarket space are all deadly places not to visit. And masking always is the only way or avenue to minimize contamination spread. Food shopping might need disposable glove protection as well.

    - WHAT IS MOST FRIGHTENING IS THAT UNKNOWN, did those treated as “cured” and returning back to work TURNED UP IN UNDERGROUND POGO MINE as silent “super spreader” OF ASYMPTOMATIC cases or undetected variants i.e. the vaccination they got in hospital cure turned ROGUE of treacherous TROJAN HORSES undetected?

    AND FINALLY, if it turned up Trojan Horses concealed as in Pogo mine, the VACCINATION OF THE ENTIRE POPULATION IS FUTILE and STUPIDLY DANGEROUS because we are hiding or helping the covid virus to “hide itself” better, endangering themselves, their immediate family and the economy.

    I DON’T WANT TO SEE THE MASS VACCINATION BACKFIRES ON ALL OF US who are at least uninfected till now (hopefully).

    Me thinks South Korea, NZ and HK are right of “baby step” – read the traffic sign before crossing the road in fatal choice of no return.

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    U provided alot source so what. Your sg property prediction also … ahem … miss for at least a decade or more. Notice u very active lately all over the articles , trying to redeem yourself. Its okay an easy excuse just say u are misled by fake news. Anyway i only ask you people to watch observe monitor Israel. Too many mixed signals.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/week-after-2nd-pfizer-vaccine-shot-only-20-of-128000-israelis-get-covid/amp/

    In week after 2nd Pfizer vaccine shot, only 20 of 128,000 Israelis get COVID

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  • oxygen:

    @ PAP mandate strong

    THANK YOU, THANK YOU AND THANK YOU AGAIN for your rejoinder.

    I have just step on the tail of another property maniac or reptile.

    PAP mandate strong: U provided alot source so what. Your sg property prediction also … ahem … miss for at least a decade or more

    This is fun of a thread on the debating floor. I am enjoying myself in uncontrollable laughter when I read this “counter-attack” of irrelevant humor.

    PAP mandate strong: Notice u very active lately all over the articles , trying to redeem yourself. Its okay an easy excuse just say u are misled by fake news.

    Your original post comment didn’t say this

    PAP mandate strong: Anyway i only ask you people to watch observe monitor Israel. Too many mixed signals.

    Instead your unbridled exuberance penned in Chinese to hide readership attention??? said this especially in English WITHOUT IDENTIFYING A CREDIBLE SOURCE LINK for readers to check it out of your claims (written in Chinese) is real or bluff.

    PAP mandate strong: Kindly look at Israel.

    Look at what in Israel is your message convey?

    Don’t you think it is a bit TOO OBVIOUSLY SNEAKY there of a slippery reptile of lies told to TRE audience?

    COME ON MATE, GROW UP. This debating floor is NOT ABOUT WHO IS RIGHT OR WHO IS WRONG but it is about informing each other readers of deriving at an informed discourse instead of disinformation you presented.

    It is a bit shameful otherwise.

    AND WHAT IS THE REALITY?

    Those people in Israel received their FIRST DOSE and they are NOT DUE for a second dose until three weeks later.

    If after 2ND SHOT still has got 20 out of 128,000 infected, how do you know that the vaccine is effective when the incubation period is another 2 weeks at least?

    Since the efficacy dropped to 33% after the first dose, that could mean that 67% upon the first dose has no impact of protection, could this 67% also have no impact of imagined benefit AFTER THE SECOND DOSE WAITING FOR THEIR TURN TO GET INFECTED LATER?

    That is to say, whether one shot or two shots makes no difference and out of the rest vaccinated, still 28 is STILL GOT infected AFTER SECOND SHOT.

    PUT IN BLUNTLY THE VACCINE FAILED OF ITS PROMISED BENEFICIAL PROTECTION!!

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  • oxygen:

    @ PAP mandate strong,

    IF PFIZER VACCINE WORKS MIRACLE of your discovery or fertile imagination, how come its share price didn’t rise in recent fortnight and last night at least in the NYSE?

    It is a DEAD GIVEAWAY that your unbridled exuberance were a rainbow beauty of (conceited???) lies.

    Come on, mate, spot gold was narrowly mixed in NY last night and same on the western side of Pacific market from HK to Singapore to Sydney.

    I checked the Australian gold stocks today, all of them narrowly mixed with gainers balancing losing gold stocks in roughly equal proportion.

    IF THERE IS A VACCINE -be that from Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZenecca or Chinese origins, the financial market in Pacific time zone will explode sky high today.

    IT DIDN’T HAPPENED like in NY last night.

    A SUCCESSFUL VACCINE will lift global economy and base metal shares will fly too.

    BUT WHAT I NOTICED TODAY?

    BHP, RIO TINTO, FORTESCUE METALS, OZL MINERALS, SOUTH 32 – ALL GOT BEATEN DOWN BY 4% TO 6% today.

    That means that investors are writing down (and pay a lot less for base metal used as raw material in economic recovery scenario) expectations of global recovery in 2021.

    PLEASE GOOGLE THE SHARE PRICE HISTORY (for today) of all the above base metals stocks and YOU WILL KNOW I TELLING YOU COMPLETE TRUTH.

    - BHP.ax
    - Rio.ax
    - FMG.ax
    - OZL.ax
    - S32.ax

    AND IF YOU ARE STILL NOT SATISFIED OF INFORMED TRUTH, check out the share price history over the last 3 days on bank stocks, Capitaland, CDL, SIA
    even Sheng Siong (yesterday and today) – listed on the SGX. These are heading to the south pole too, huh.

    Financial market speculators are NOT all stupid but they put where their money in what they believe – win or lose money eventually, regardless.

    ME THINKS GLOBALLY, 2021 is gonna be tougher, ECONOMICALLY than 2020 for most inhabitants INCLUDING MYSELF of course.

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  • xoxo:

    Me thinks there is much refinement to be carried out for the much too rushed-out ones.
    Dont forget,D Trump hurried the vaccine companies.
    Add to that ,new variants may not be effectively covered?

    But,if side effects are serious,taking the vaccine may help quite a bit.
    So far,SIDE EFFECTS not properly recorded especially for chronically ill like cancer,heart patients etc.

    Economic activities that might increase risk of spreading must be assessed carefully.

    Health comes first.
    Let the ENRICHED RICH contribute more to research; profit-making must not supercede remedy?

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