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The Covid-19 vaccine has been a disappointment

Ever since the Pfizer vaccine was approved for emergency use, our government has plunged headlong to vaccinate the population.

The thinking was that if the majority is vaccinated, herd immunity would be achieved and we would be out of the woods.

However, cases of infection since the beginning of the second wave, has shown that the effectiveness of the vaccine is around 0%.

For those who are not sure how the efficacy of the vaccine, which is its effectiveness in a controlled setting, is calculated, here is a quick explanation which is necessary to follow this article.

Volunteers, in Pfizer’s case around 40,000, are divided into two similar groups. One group is injected with the vaccine and the other group with placebo with neither group knowing which they were injected with, to prevent bias behavior. They are then left to carry on with their lives. If subsequently 100 in the placebo group are symptomatically infected with COVID-19 while none in the vaccine group is infected, then the efficacy of the vaccine is 100%. Conversely, if 50 people in both groups are infected, then there is no difference whether one is vaccinated or not, in other words, the efficacy is 0%.

As I have shown in the TTSH cluster based on data reported in the ST, the effectiveness is 0% because there were 20 vaccinated and 20 unvaccinated infections, based on the first 40 cases. (This post was blocked by FB subsequently.)

In the first 18 cases of the airport cluster, 11 were vaccinated while 7 were not, demonstrating that the effectiveness is worse than 0%. It is almost unbelievable, but what it means is that one is better off being not vaccinated than vaccinated! [LINK]

It has been just a few days, but the number of cases in the airport cluster has rocketed to 86 cases as at 19 May. The number of vaccinated infection is 40 while that of the unvaccinated is 46 based on data from MOH (see attached tables above), indicating that there is little difference whether one is vaccinated or not.

All the three examples assume that half the people who came into contact with the clusters are vaccinated and half are not. It may well be that less than half are vaccinated as only about 30% of the population has been vaccinated so far, which makes the result even more damming for the vaccine, but let’s be conservative.

If nothing else changes other than more people getting vaccinated, the effectiveness of the vaccine is still going to be the same, ie, around 0%. What then is the point of continuing to vaccinate the rest of the population?

Many people believe that when the bulk of the population is vaccinated, the number of infections will fall as we will be nearing herd immunity. The number of infections may fall, and if it does fall, it has nothing to do with the vaccine because its effectiveness is ZERO as shown by recent events. What makes them think that the effectiveness of the vaccine will improve going forward?

Indeed, it is downright preposterous for Professor Dale Fisher to say he believes “we would have a circuit breaker in place if there was no vaccine”. How has the vaccine helped other than to give some a false sense of security?

The vaccine has been a disappointment. At which point will the Covid Task Force review its effectiveness, or is it going to blindly vaccinate the rest of the population, including children?

 

Foong Swee Fong

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(Attached table is compiled by Jake Goh and an unnamed person based on data from MOH)

 

 

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77 Responses to “The Covid-19 vaccine has been a disappointment”

  • don't be stubborn:

    This is complete speculation. The evidence worldwide (especially US and UK) has shown the vaccine is highly effective. Furthermore, we have too few cases of re-infection here to conclude the vaccine is ineffective. Even if there were more re-infections, the vaccine has helped mitigate the damaging effects of COVID better than anything else. The conclusion then is, go take the vaccine, even if we have to pay for it ourselves. It is worthwhile. For those that refuse to take the vaccine, then they should be made to pay in full their medical expenses should they contract COVID and land in hospital.

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  • clearance test / cert:

    //It has been just a few days, but the number of cases in the airport cluster has rocketed to 86 cases as at 19 May.//

    aiyoh. airport entry point right ?? if trojan horse at least the white monkey idiots can excuse themselves as one wouldn’t know ?? but each day, got quite a no. of imports (infected) more than community ?? did not this tell the white idiots to scratch their head a little bit harder ??? people (public) already discussing but the white monkey gang maybe still think bo-tai-chi ???

    even up to today, still got imported cases ?? that means those imports (or at least the convid clearance test / cert or non test is wayang lar ???) do these incoming travellers need to make sure that they are not infected before coming here to sinkie land so that they do have to share their unwanted gifts ?? or no tests are required at all ??? so what say the white monkey idiots and gang lor ???

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    Foong , its okay if your decision is not to get vaccinated.

    No problem.

    But please dont psycho others scare shitless to join you so you can not appear as the sole ” trouble maker ” or ” mood spoiler ” or ” party pooper “.

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  • GeneVac:

    Interesting to take note of the symptoms for Changi Airport clusters with a rather comparable group size.

    Out of 40 vaccinated infected cases 31 presented with symptoms while for the 46 unvaccinated cases 32 presented with symptoms!

    There is none with shortness of breath in the unvaccinated group!

    This data shows that besides the vaccine’s ineffectiveness & symptoms-wise contrary to authorities’report this Changi Airport cluster shows otherwise as both groups almost equally presented with symptoms & the vaccinated group beat the unvaccinated group by 1 shortness of breath which may be fatal!

    The vaccine’s performance is really DISAPPOINTING!

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  • oxygen:

    @ don’t be stubborn

    There are a huge surge of vaccination in UK and USA – this DOES NOT PROVE vaccine is effective. They are vaccinating those who WANTS TO BE VACCINATED, not those who are hesitant. When the next surge of mutation sweep northern hemisphere, we will have a better guage.

    At the moment, WHO said that there is a uncanny parallel in the rate of vaccination and the runaway infection rate. That is amply evident in places like Chile, and South America – even with social distancing

    Mining camps seen REPEATED CYCLES of re-infection that can’t be broken even as more and more mine worker and exploration crews got vaccinated. Given isolation of remote geography and social distance measure in visible miles (except in work environment of actual mining operation), the pandemic spread have hit POGO mine in Alaska is pointed example.

    Sierra rutile mine in West Africa is now a financial casualty of the brunt impact of covid spread and SUSTAINING for over a year now.

    https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20210520/pdf/44wn2rrywkslbb.pdf

    The rutile mine belongs to Australian-listed Iluka Resources limited. Its announcement (in the first paragraph) to the ASX yesterday informs of unsustainable losses since the onset of the Covid-19 pandemic.

    THE DAMAGE?

    It share price, at the moment of this writing, is marked down 7.5% or a few hundred million dollar loss in market capitalisation of this stock.

    You think ILUKA RESOURCES can’t afford to spend maybe a few million dollar – even tens of million to save these mine workers and their rutile mine?

    IT IS NOT MONEY but the ineffective of the vaccine. So you are entirely silly and wrong to exert this crazy viewpoint.

    don't be stubborn: For those that refuse to take the vaccine, then they should be made to pay in full their medical expenses should they contract COVID and land in hospital.

    If vaccine is effective why did the World Ecoomic Forum and Shangrila dialogue cancelled its engagement meet in Singapore so close to another?

    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/world-economic-forum-cancels-meeting-singapore-covid-19-

    and this

    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/shangri-la-dialogue-singapore-cancelled-uncertain-covid-19-14848814

    THE REASON IS THAT THE FILTHY RICH AND POLITICALLY POWERFUL KNOWS THE VACCINE ARE A HEALTH AND FATALITY RISKS AND BRINGS LITTLE OR NO BENEFITS FOR THEMSELVES.

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  • oxygen:

    @ don’t be stubborn

    AND THIS TRE BLOGGER, @ Nathan puts it succinctly.

    Nathan: My expectation of the covid-19 vaccine is very simple. To immune and cure me of the covid-19 virus. Without life-threatening side-effects.

    Not to die a less painful death. If the PAP vaccine optimists are so sure of the effective vaccine why do these MPs have to cancel meet-the-people session starting from 8 May to the 30th?

    https://www.tremeritus.net/2021/05/09/the-benefits-of-the-covid-19-vaccine/

    He is truth-telling.

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  • xoxo:

    BTW,TODAY CNA REPORTS 40 NEW CASES.
    30 LOCAL N 10 IMPORTED.
    IN RECENT TIMES,IT WAS ZERO LOCAL ,X NUMBER IMPORTED.
    We can infer,ceteris paribas, PAST IMPORTED CASES ARE NOW BEING SPREAD INTO THE NATION,except THE ISTANA?

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  • Harder Truths:

    $G citizens are allowing themselves to be used as Guinea Pigs to test drugs that are only in Phase III, not even in Phase IV of certification. What did $G citizen gain from this? Absolutely nothing. CoVID patients can be cured now as the means are available. Not so the people who take the ‘vaccine’.

    The long term effects of these new RNA prototype drugs on the human body is not known. How many will be badly affected by changes in their DNA will only be known in the years to come. And this will be covered up.

    People are so willing to inject untried technologies into their body. There is no cure if anything goes wrong now or in the future. Some things cannot be undone.

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  • mike:

    Quote: The American Red Cross’ current policy is to only accept convalescent plasma donations from people who have recovered from COVID-19 and have not had the vaccine. Although, if plasma donated by people vaccinated against COVID-19 has a high-level of COVID-19 antibodies it may be used as convalescent plasma.

    What does it meant? Read between the politically correct lines. :DDD
    Latest: Vaccines becoming a yearly drugs and it is strongly advised not to switch brand! >.<"

    Good luck!!!

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  • Billy ma:

    When I went to get my jabs, I’m fully aware that I can still be infested.

    The up side us that with the vaccination, I’ll likely not be seriously sick compared to those who did not get the jabs.

    This information I have was gather from reading news from Israel who is the first country to vaccinate its people.
    And the news of people still getting infected after were reported quite regularly.

    At this point, it’s still better to go for the jabs especially apparently there’s no severe side effects.

    Of course nobody can tell us what or whether there’ll be any long term complications.
    So far no news report on this issue.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Dear Foong,
    You are a typical opposition supporters.
    Only TCSS and criticize. Do you have any solution?

    Singapore is a open economy.
    If we locked down for months, we are finished.
    So vaccine is the way to go.

    We PAP is right on this one.

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  • More Questions:

    Vaccine is to prevent serious side effects that could lead to hospitalization and death. So far, of the those unvaccinated group, how many of them have been seriously ill and have died because of Covid infection? If the numbers are few or none, then the risks of serious side effects or deaths from Covid have been overplayed. Of those vaccinated, how many have experienced severe adverse events from the vaccine? That would be another way to compare the merit of the vaccine. Is it more helpful or harmful?

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  • Deen:

    Testing covid is child’s play.make covid laugh

    Only.only way is isolation.

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  • Everyone a scientist:

    Suddenly everyone is a immunologist/scientist/statistician/vaccinologist.
    If you do not trust the qualified authorities, no evidence will change your mind. Quite natural.
    Good suggestion—those not vaccinated pay their own hospital bill.
    Insurance companies might also want to look into this.

    don't be stubborn:
    This is complete speculation. The evidence worldwide (especially US and UK) has shown the vaccine is highly effective. Furthermore, we have too few cases of re-infection here to conclude the vaccine is ineffective. Even if there were more re-infections, the vaccine has helped mitigate the damaging effects of COVID better than anything else. The conclusion then is, go take the vaccine, even if we have to pay for it ourselves. It is worthwhile. For those that refuse to take the vaccine, then they should be made to pay in full their medical expenses should they contract COVID and land in hospital.

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  • Michael:

    Vaccine is not the solution. It can cause problems. I support you. The singsporean are too stupid to think. One day. Pap say go eat shit and they will do that.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Everyone a scientist

    SO THOSE VACCINATED BUT NOT VACCINATED against mutated virus ALSO pay their own hospital bills?

    Everyone a scientist: Good suggestion—those not vaccinated pay their own hospital bill.
    Insurance companies might also want to look into this.

    Or those vaccinated will, henceforth, never have to pay their medical care? The rich who won’t vaccinate will pay for their hospitalisation which is also funded by the poor’s tax payments.

    The unhappy poor also vote too in election.

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  • Thomas Tan:

    Singaporeans R Free Riders:
    Dear Foong,
    You are a typical opposition supporters.
    Only TCSS and criticize. Do you have any solution?

    Singapore is a open economy.
    If we locked down for months, we are finished.
    So vaccine is the way to go.

    We PAP is right on this one.

    So why don’t you go and get vaccinated yourself?

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  • Ong Car Chua:

    How come they yet to release Sinovac? Its the safest proven non long term side

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  • Sheep will follow:

    Someone will say those who don’t eat shit must pay their own hospital bills. As if those who eat shit don’t have to pay! All also pay.

    Michael:
    Vaccine is not the solution. It can cause problems. I support you. The singsporean are too stupid to think. One day. Pap say go eat shit and they will do that.

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    In that case people like Foong or Dr Foong and his immediate family members including children if unluckily kena covid 19 ( touch wood ). Leave him or them in a quarantine area and let’s not attend to them.

    Since he like to act expert right like DT, give him a chance to demonstrate and self heal himself and family. If success and recover, he can say anything he like and continue to bash. If not then too bad but lesson for other stubborn mules.

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  • oxygen:

    @ PAP mandate strong

    WHO ARE THE STUBBORN MULES refusing to even acknowledge truths of happening and reality?

    PAP mandate strong: If not then too bad but lesson for other stubborn mules.

    Is the troubles of continuing re-infection at POGO mine in Alaska false?

    Please read this line at page 8 of this NST March qtrly report in this weblink.

    It reads……covid-19 continues its impact on the productivity of operations.

    https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20210421/pdf/44vq5j4sq35j6w.pdf

    and now go back a little to read the Dec. qtrly report of NST at page 2 and its reads

    “our team managed over 100 cases of covid-19 in the quarter… this inevitably impacts on the productivity at many levels…”

    https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20210121/pdf/44rwpqvlkkyzkv.pdf

    Pogo is a highly automated underground mine – social distance underground working is very good and above ground, very few workers are staring into the
    distant wilderness. Other then food and consumable supply, there is no contact with outside world – NOT EVEN WILD BEARS kept outside by mine fencing/security. Yet the pandemic keeps coming back and mine operations ASIC costs is escalating upward.

    I won’t be surprise if POGO paid for US$250 million in recent years got shutdown completely soon – just like this rutile open-pit (just a simple earth moving exercise in reality) of Iluka Resources in Africa shut down by Covid-19 pandemic.

    oxygen: Sierra rutile mine in West Africa is now a financial casualty of the brunt impact of covid spread and SUSTAINING for over a year now.

    https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20210520/pdf/44wn2rrywkslbb.pdf

    The evidences above point to these facts

    - even in remote isolated locations of thinly populated HUMAN geography, pandemic spread is IMPOSSIBLE TO CONTAIN.

    - containment or efforts to do so has failed.

    - a lot of mining entities are reporting cutback in exploration in central and south America involving teams of 3 to 5 persons only i.e. it is airborne and anyone within aerosal distance share the virus with each other.

    - VACCINE IS USELESS to contain pandemic in mines – underground or open pit and even in completely isolated (from the rest of the world) geology exploration teams.

    WHY ARE YOU SO STUBBORN OF TRUTH AND DENIAL OF ALL REALITY of happening?

    The pro-vaxxers are ALL SILENT AND PRETENDING NOT KNOWING OF HOW COVID-19 HIT MINING OPERATIONS GLOBALLY AND WHAT THAT MEANS OF VACCINE’S COMPLETE USELESS-ness?

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  • oxygen:

    @ PAP mandate strong

    THIS IS ALSO REALITY OF TRUTH – why no sovereign or health regulators came out to deny this?

    Collective Evolution :In Canada, the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario put out a note stating that physicians who are publicly contradicting public health orders and recommendations, and there are many of them, will be subjected to an investigation, especially if they are communicating “anti-vaccine, anti-masking and anti-lockdown statements.”

    How is science and data that calls into question government public health recommendations “anti” anything? Why are these labels always used? Why are physicians and scientists being bullied into silence and subjected to extreme amounts of censorship on their social media platforms?

    Kulldorff has been one many victims of this treatment, while scientists who agree with and promote the “accepted narrative” seem to receive interview requests from mainstream media outlets all the time.

    This isn’t normal, and it’s served as a catalyst for more people to ask, what’s really going on here?……..idea that everybody needs to be vaccinated is unscientific and suspicious.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/05/no_author/why-did-twitter-censor-an-eminent-infectious-disease-expert-for-his-opinion-on-covid-vaccines/

    These are warnings that came from those working in the medical profession, no less.

    THE PRO-VACCINE VAXXERS ARE MANIPULATORS with hidden agenda and behaving like circus jesters or carnival buskers.

    You can go along with them. Please don’t insist others follow your “clever” footsteps.

    The politicians DON’T IN BEHAVIOR ACTS on your “wisdom” advice – certainly those who originally planned to attend the NOW CANCELLED World Economic Forum and the Shangrila-Dialogue in LEE-jiapore.

    They all fled to personal safety preservation instead of vaccination and meet to talk on how to make even more money out of this pandemic god-send opportunity at the expense and graveyards of stupid peasants.

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  • oxygen:

    @ PAP mandate strong

    IF YOU PUT THE POLITICIANS IN THE WHOLE WORLD through a lie-detector test, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THEM have done a REAL VACCINATION up till now since the onset of the Covid-pandemic slightly more than a year ago?

    I am interested to know of this figure relative to the percentage of peasants vaccinated globally.

    Politicians are role-models, so few to total world ENTIRE population. It is easily to vaccinated all of them in ONE DAY IF THEY ARE ALL WILLING.

    In Down Under, a lot of the over 50s are “no show” – and they are supposed to be the most vulnerable. And ScoMo is now focusing on what he calls….”on people who want to get a vaccine, rather than those who are hesitant.”

    https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/vaccine-hesistancy-holds-back-recovery-173056630.html

    ScoMo is telling Ozzies that he has practically “given up” and closing the border at least until mid 2022.

    Australia sticks by plan to re-open border in mid-2022

    https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/australia-sticks-by-plan-re-open-border-mid-2022-2021-05-16/

    “All the way through we will be guided by the medical advice,” Prime Minister Scott Morrison said at a televised briefing. “We will be guided by the economic advice.”

    THE UNSPOKEN PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE IS THIS :

    The over 50s here know they are more at risks with NEAR TERM serious adverse consequences with vaccine that deliver little or no benefits EVEN in the short term (longer term risks unknown at this stage) with the virus mutating faster than the vaccine enhancement mostly clueless of defence.

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  • JOHN SMITH:

    The vaccinations are primarily intended to reduce the number of hospitalisations and deaths and that is precisely what they have proven to do in places where the vaccinated population is sufficient to provide a reliable database such as the UK where over 70% of the adult population has now had at least one jab. Death rates are currently in double digits (still too many) per day as opposed to hundreds of deaths per day before the vaccination rollout. It’s not rocket science! Get the jab people!!!

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  • Partial truth?:

    Sinovac ?

    Same thing every year also need to inject once.

    Safest ? Countries like Brazil using Sinovac cases still up.

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  • oxygen:

    @ John Smith

    You haven’t supply the statistical/graphic support to your claims. But here is what happens in South America – Chile in particular.

    Chile has one of the world’s best vaccination rates. Covid is surging there anyway.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/19/covid-chiles-coronavirus-cases-hit-record-levels-despite-vaccine-rollout.html

    And this is the running averages over the most recent last 7 days and compared to other South American countries from reuters.

    https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/chile/

    The average number of new infections reported in Chile has been increasing for 7 days straight (the trajectory don’t look comforting to me)

    Brazil, Argentina and Columbia surging nearer back to historical peak ( the “improvement” post vaccination roll out is NOT SUSTAINED OF EVEN HOLDING)

    This is consistent with my reading of reports from mining entities with operations in South America. One mining entity which I hold shares in reported a global TIER ONE giant copper exploration success in Chile (still hitting big exploration drilling success) saw its trading value sunk by over 35% from peak.

    IT DOESN’T SURPRISE ME IN HINDSIGHT.

    So I am not convinced that vaccination can stop the pandemic spread but it is actually evolving to unknown outcome – too difficult to forecast now of magnitude or impact consequences.

    This explains the adversities in Pogo mine and the now closed rutile mine in Sierra Leone – the evidences ARE COMPELLING.

    Any positive claims OTHERWISE now must be viewed as pure speculation.

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  • oxygen:

    @ John Smith

    WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus contradicted your positional stance. He said.

    “The pandemic is a long way far from over,….It will not be over anywhere until it’s over everywhere.”

    Tedros also said these words.

    WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus :“There is a huge disconnect growing where in some countries with the highest vaccination rates, there appears to be a mindset that the pandemic is over, while others are experiencing huge waves of infections

    WHO says pandemic is far from over despite high vaccination rates in some countries.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/17/who-says-pandemic-is-far-from-over-despite-high-vaccination-rates-in-some-countries.html

    The evidences in the mining industry that I have seen and documented in this thread would strongly suggest that WHO’s current stance is correct – until contradicted by available evidences otherwise.

    Mining industry operating in remote geography with fresh air and wilderness scale social distance spread (unlike busy airports like Changi or Sydney) should not be the incubation hotbed of covid pandemic and its wild fire spread within their own isolated locations.

    BUT THAT ADVERSITY IS EXACTLY HAPPENING now.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Thomas Tan: So why don’t you go and get vaccinated yourself?

    I already completed my vaccine and I am still alive here defending my master PM Lee and his A team.

    We paid millions dollars salary to PAp and we get best quality vaccine such as Moderna and Pfizer.

    Unlike ROc Taiwan who carry Americunts balls gets no immediate help from Americunts and can only get lousy vaccine AZ.

    And please avoid SINOVAC, the PRc Chink vaccine. If you trust the Chink (PRc/ROc), pig can fly.

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  • @Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Remember what you said about Sinovac.

    Please respectful to other races. Do you want me call you ah neh or something else? You claim to be pap supporter, go tell pap how you call PRC see if your master agree with you.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    @Singaporeans R Free Riders:
    Remember what you said about Sinovac.

    Please respectful to other races. Do you want me call you ah neh or something else? You claim to be pap supporter, go tell pap how you call PRC see if your master agree with you.

    Hello 五毛(ccP IB 网军) and 1450 (dPP IB 网军)
    I always remember what I say and I say it out loud again:
    DO NOT USE SINOVAC AT ALL COST.
    THEIR PRESIDENT (习近平&蔡英文) phd degree are fake and so the SINOVAC are also fake with no reliable data to back it up.

    PRc习近平的假博士学位
    https://twitter.com/john17churchill/status/1084965375924756481

    Roc 蔡英文的假博士学位
    https://www.yzzk.com/article/details/%E4%B8%AD%E8%8F%AF%E5%A4%A9%E5%9C%B0%2F2019-39%2F1569470590686%2F%E8%94%A1%E8%8B%B1%E6%96%87%E5%8D%9A%E5%A3%AB%E8%AB%96%E6%96%87%E6%8E%80%E7%88%AD%E8%AD%B0

    ROc賀德芬:蔡英文論文是騙局!檢察官不必對我仁慈
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj57c9m2pKo

    ROc蔡英文的博士論文─煎水作冰,枯木生花 ( 汪志雄教授 )
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVDlgwDEgbg

    ROc施芳珑博士把“flag”念成“frog”。。。。哈哈哈没脑的博士
    https://www.taiwanus.net/news/press/2019/201910222227481835.htm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNtfmkVmyp8

    I urge all PAP supporters to send my link to K. shanmugan and have it exposed to the world.

    金球獎最佳女導演趙婷: 中國是充滿謊言的國家
    https://www.thenewslens.com/article/148107

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  • mike:

    I just heard another case of friend’s friend died at 60 within 24 hrs after vaccines. Cannot find evidences related to vaccines. :DD

    This friend from meducal industry.

    It is correct to say nobody can tell us long term complications of taking vaccines, therefore if we look at it the logical way the below points for consider in long term complications:

    1. Those above 60 yr take or not take just gamble. If take and then cannot make it, you already live long enough, so not too bad. For every N-doses required, each is a new gamble. Long term complications is not a considering point.

    2. Those between 40 to 60 yr, have also lived a big chunk of our live. So long term complications is not the most important point. This group of people may need the vaccines to make a living esp. working at gov or public sector have such big pressue to take ORDER to be vaccinated or loss their jobs. This group also less affected by child bearing issues and had stopped production with minimal effect on creating defects babies.

    3. 20 to 40 yr, this group may be the most impacted by long term complications. If those complications did not kill you quick enough, one might spend good chunk of future earnings on medical needs. One sign to look for is the medical insurance cost for you in the near future. Also, this group is also the children bearing group. If N-dose is required, this group might be exposed to the most doses.

    4. Below 20… needless to say, so many smart people here to know how extinction works. This age group is most affected by long term complications, one can go think about what may happen… But this group can’t escape too, it will get a chance as vaccines is starting to target at this group.

    Vaccines is a sword cutting both ways. No one knows what happens years down the road. Make a will if you need one, just in case.

    Billy ma:
    At this point, it’s still better to go for the jabs especially apparently there’s no severe side effects.

    Of course nobody can tell us what or whether there’ll be any long term complications.
    So far no news report on this issue.

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  • JOHN SMITH:

    Hi Oxygen,
    My post stated nothing but fact. The virus is with us forever but the number of people becoming seriously ill and dying has reduced dramatically in the UK where more than 50m people have now had at least one jab. Fact!

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  • Dont act hero:

    Do you want me call you ah neh or something else?

    Somebody here already names calling ah neh or bananas but have you ever come to the rescue and reprimand him ? Never ! You are also cherry picking .

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  • Let Science Do the Talking:

    @Foong Swee Fong: Thanks for the analysis.

    IMHO,the government can help to put the matter to rest if they can provide real data on the infection cluster at Changi Airport so that we can see the real world efficacy of the current vaccine.
    Furthermore, we can also compare the performance of the Sinovac vaccine on Indonesia health workers and pifzer vaccine on our frontline workers in Changi airport. This is also a good opportunity to assess the efficacy of a vaccine instead of asking for clinical trials data.

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  • oxygen:

    @ mike

    FATALITY FOR THIS SEGMENT may not be the burning issue for some, not all.

    mike: Those above 60 yr take or not take just gamble. If take and then cannot make it, you already live long enough, so not too bad. For every N-doses required, each is a new gamble. Long term complications is not a considering point.

    It is PHYSICAL INCAPACITATED from complications current and future unknown THAT IS FRIGHTENING.

    They may also has a partner with current struggling incapacity needing their continuing care and assistance.

    One adversity knocks out two lives. And the Govt? Look the other way – you signed consent.

    I would suggest that this incapacity risks is also true for all other age category.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    mike:
    1. Those above 60 yr take or not take just gamble. If take and then cannot make it, you already live long enough, so not too bad. For every N-doses required, each is a new gamble. Long term complications is not a considering point.

    Well said. Life is a constant decision making process as we are always making decision.

    You can choose to eat healthy (more veggie) or eat unhealthy (pork leg)

    Be a man and take responsibility for your choice of decision and not behave like Leong who ask people to fund him instead of him taking responsibility for it.

    The tag line for this pandemic should be:
    Be socially responsible:
    1. Wear mask
    2. keep your distance at 1 meter apart.
    3. Eat more veggie and less meat, less oil, less salt, less sugar, less flavouring.
    4. Use condom and not go raw … etc etc

    GE2024.PAP.Guarantee.Win.HuatAgain
    Majullah $PAP$ $PAP$ Huat$ Huat$ Huat$

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    mike:
    Billy ma:
    At this point, it’s still better to go for the jabs especially apparently there’s no severe side effects.

    Of course nobody can tell us what or whether there’ll be any long term complications.
    So far no news report on this issue.

    Exactly…. vaccine is the way to go but moron do not understand this.

    They just want to oppose for the sake of opposing.
    Bunch of fools who are just canon fodders for Oppie with hidden agenda.
    人可以有立场,但不能没有是非

    GE2024.PAP.Guarantee.Win.HuatAgain
    Majullah $PAP$ $PAP$ Huat$ Huat$ Huat$

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  • Sinovac real life #1:

    More than 90% efficacy for Sinovac for 120,000 plus healthcare workers. Results released by Indonesia.

    How many terminal 3 workers vaccinated and how many infected? Only those workers facing the passengers exclude backend workers.

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  • Sinovac real life #2:

    Thailand just announce Sinovac real life efficacy 99%. This is after Indonesia 94%.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    JOHN SMITH:
    Hi Oxygen,
    My post stated nothing but fact. The virus is with us forever but the number of people becoming seriously ill and dying has reduced dramatically in the UK where more than 50m people have now had at least one jab. Fact!

    Hello John,
    You are talking to someone who do not understand facts.

    Do not waste your time with him.

    This oxygen guy is just like HK Martin Lee, who instigate the foolish Hongs to charge at the front line while he hides and had fine dinner with his pastor.

    Martin Lee Enjoys Dinner During Riot 13 October 2019
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXjSv3Hj-Xg

    This Oxygen hide in Australia and is here to instigate the fools here and make use of them to be his canon fodder like what Martin Lee did in the above video.

    GE2024.PAP.Guarantee.Win.HuatAgain
    Majullah $PAP$ $PAP$ Huat$

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  • Sinovac real life #3:

    Dominican Republic real efficacy is 92.5%.

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  • 78 vac vs 300 non vac:

    Oyk stated 78 vaccinated infected with covid19 whereas 300 not vaccinated infeted with covid19. Already facts. Almost 3.5 X more risky for non vaccinated.

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  • oxygen:

    @ 78 vac vs 300 non vac:

    PERVERSE CIRCULAR LOGIC there.

    78 vac vs 300 non vac: Oyk stated 78 vaccinated infected with covid19 whereas 300 not vaccinated infeted with covid19. Already facts. Almost 3.5 X more risky for non vaccinated.

    If there is ONE UNVACCINATED super spreader working with 200 fully vaccinated working on the frontline – the scoreline might read ONE UNVACCINATED against 50 fully vaccinated got re-infected by this super spreader.

    DOES THIS MEAN THAT THE FULLY VACCINATED IS 50X more risky than unvaccinated of getting infected?

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  • mike:

    Dear @ 50c of Great Middle Commie Covid Land

    You are not very hard working leh, want to convince must show data at least from Nature or Lancelot mah. Or is it that CCP not yet fully controlled them? Kept BS when so many countries which used Sinovac having sudden increased outbreak and create complicated mutations ah.

    Even your dear brother Kim from NK stopped all medicine produced by CCP including CCP vaccines. That showed how unreliable CCP produces are. :DD

    Within Six months, it will be Indon’s turn. Just watch.

    CN already having new multi-variants, continue to watch, if totally lost control, the best way is to go war. Only war can cover up this pandemic failure, history said so.

    So 50c 们 get ready to conscrip and donate for your great CCP master.

    Sinovac real life #1:
    More than 90% efficacy for Sinovac for 120,000 plus healthcare workers. Results released by Indonesia.

    How many terminal 3 workers vaccinated and how many infected? Only those workers facing the passengers exclude backend workers.

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  • mike:

    Dear @ Oxygen

    Agree and its real risk.

    Are insurance willing to get the short end of the stick?
    It will be an interesting pushing blame game between gov vs Insur.

    Of cos, the immediate family members of the incapacitated are the most suffered.
    Death is just so much simple and a mercy.

    Writing a will and update one’s AMD has never been more important than ever.

    My dear countrymen, please read this AMD:

    https://www.moh.gov.sg/policies-and-legislation/advance-medical-directive

    AND also download this form if you need. Who knows this might save your family members from financial destruction when you either incapacitated by the virus or the vaccines. Both are ‘V’s…

    https://www.moh.gov.sg/docs/librariesprovider5/forms/form1amd(270905).pdf?sfvrsn=fc5eb19b_0

    oxygen:
    @ mike

    FATALITY FOR THIS SEGMENT may not be the burning issue for some, not all.

    It is PHYSICAL INCAPACITATED from complications current and future unknown THAT IS FRIGHTENING.

    .
    .
    .
    .

    I would suggest that this incapacity risks is also true for all other age category.

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  • mike:

    Trying to bs those dumb SGreans?
    What are the base number?
    Trying to bs with creative and selective base number reporting?
    Dare to do a nation wide swab test boh?

    78 vac vs 300 non vac:
    Oyk stated 78 vaccinated infected with covid19 whereas 300 not vaccinated infeted with covid19. Already facts. Almost 3.5 X more risky for non vaccinated.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    mike:
    Writing a will and update one’s AMD has never been more important than ever.

    My dear countrymen, please read this AMD:
    https://www.moh.gov.sg/policies-and-legislation/advance-medical-directive

    AND also download this form if you need. Who knows this might save your family members from financial destruction when you either incapacitated by the virus or the vaccines. Both are ‘V’s…
    https://www.moh.gov.sg/docs/librariesprovider5/forms/form1amd(270905).pdf?sfvrsn=fc5eb19b_0

    Thank you very much.

    Anybody with elders better take up Mike well intention advice.

    GE2024.PAP.Guarantee.Win.HuatAgain
    Majullah $PAP$ $PAP$ Huat$ Huat$ Huat$

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  • 78 vac vs 300 non vac:

    Perhaps but also have to look at how many death ?

    Compared to China marathon event sudden drop in temperature resulted in 21 deaths within hours only. Want to try to rescue also cannot ? Which is more serious.

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  • We believe what we want to:

    Yes, humans will believe what they want to believe.
    Most people will not change their minds once they are made up.
    Especially when fear and death are involved.
    We are all prejudiced.
    ”” “You can sway a thousand men by appealing to their prejudices quicker than you can convince one man by logic. ”””Robert A. Heinlein

    Everyone a scientist:
    Suddenly everyone is a immunologist/scientist/statistician/vaccinologist.
    If you do not trust the qualified authorities, no evidence will change your mind. Quite natural.
    Good suggestion—those not vaccinated pay their own hospital bill.
    Insurance companies might also want to look into this.

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  • xoxo:

    This is like a CATCH 22 situation.
    Take vaccine,possible long term side effects or even fatality.
    Dont take vaccine,feel uneasy?

    I can hope for some pharma to come out with a REFINED VACCINE soon.

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  • mike:

    Oyk 78 vs 300 unintentionally revealed a lot of information. If the intention of preaching vacc vs non-vacc was a selling pitch, it had unintentionally revealed a possible community wide spread without even a swab tests. A figure of 4x. This is how creative reporting works.

    The questions should be contact tracing, CB and masks. Why spend limited resources on something broken to mask incompetency and yet not focus the resource in fixing the problem? Are we really lack intelligent people in SG or cabable leaders?

    Time will tell, but so far signs are ugly.

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  • mike:

    Quote CNA:

    The minister added that various factors affect the risk of transmission, and limited airflow and poor ventilation worsen the spread. A large majority of infections are in enclosed places with close interactions without masks, prompting the authorities to suspend dining out at restaurants and big gatherings.

    This is “also why a big proportion of infections now actually come from home”, said Mr Ong.

    Is this a message revelation of total clueless of the situation? I got to read 5x to realise a blame game in the message and contradictions within the creative message.

    - how infections get to home? Came from sewage or from TV like the ring?
    - limited airflow and poor ventilation worsen the spread? Thus good airflow and better ventilation helps the spread that’s why wear mask?

    Show numbers when it totally lost it objectivity; not showing numbers, lack anything to support the message.

    Want to do large scale swabs but have limited resources and afraid of even larger complications of how the world see the tests result? Thus can only monitor, monitor, monitor, concentrate resources on selective HDB blocks.

    Had the contract tracing ultimately fails miserably and yet, not admittedly say so?

    Then what’s next? Seal the HDB block like CCP? There is a lot resources at disposal?

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  • mike:

    Please do not apply CCP style of sealing the HDB blocks.
    There will be a huge humanity price to pay.

    Many unreported superman and superwoman flying off their sealed blocks in CCP land. And plenty more young and old died in their home this way. And those who are vaccinated cannot avoid the same fate.

    It is a dangerous path down the no return. Please do not even consider doing so. One may not belief in any but God please bless our souls.

    Tech: Humanity price to pay? What have you been smoking? China’s method of dealing with the C19 has proven to be the most successful to date. I got “sealed” for about 2 months, you see me turning into Superman or not?

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  • Buahpali:

    Just wonder how PAP could accommodate this loony!

    PAP is doomed if all their supporters are of this caliber!

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: I already completed my vaccine and I am still alive here defending my master PM Lee and his A team.

    We paid millions dollars salary to PAp and we get best quality vaccine such as Moderna and Pfizer.

    Unlike ROc Taiwan who carry Americunts balls gets no immediate help from Americunts and can only get lousy vaccine AZ.

    And please avoid SINOVAC, the PRc Chink vaccine. If you trust the Chink (PRc/ROc), pig can fly.

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  • Buahpali:

    This is another loony running loose in TRE.

    Probably would only feel good when someone or something is belittled!

    mike:
    Please do not apply CCP style of sealing the HDB blocks.
    There will be a huge humanity price to pay.

    Many unreported superman and superwoman flying off their sealed blocks in CCP land. And plenty more young and old died in their home this way. And those who are vaccinated cannot avoid the same fate.

    It is a dangerous path down the no return. Please do not even consider doing so. One may not belief in any but God please bless our souls.

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  • @M I K E:

    For CCP haters and blind supporters of Tibet independence, here’s an official history of Tibet, an autonomous region of China.

    http://www.ecns.cn/news/2021-05-21/detail-ihamrehu6720812.shtml
    China issues white paper on Tibet’s peaceful liberation, achievements

    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2021-05/21/c_139959978.htm
    Full Text: Tibet Since 1951: Liberation, Development and Prosperity

    Specially recommended for Mike to read and correct his poor understanding of this place.

    mike:
    Please do not apply CCP style of sealing the HDB blocks.
    There will be a huge humanity price to pay.

    Many unreported superman and superwoman flying off their sealed blocks in CCP land. And plenty more young and old died in their home this way. And those who are vaccinated cannot avoid the same fate.

    It is a dangerous path down the no return. Please do not even consider doing so. One may not belief in any but God please bless our souls.

    Tech: Humanity price to pay? What have you been smoking? China’s method of dealing with the C19 has proven to be the most successful to date. I got “sealed” for about 2 months, you see me turning into Superman or not?

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  • mike:

    Dear @ TRE Tech

    There are four points for you:

    1. Your sealed of 2 months was your door weld? You staying on ground floor?

    2. Are you supporting the idea of CCP style of blocking access in order to ‘contain’ the infected personnels?

    3. Are you thinking little about each superman or superwoman flying out of the window simple because their access outwards were sealed?

    4. You think CN had made it, as it declared success over covid?

    mike:
    Tech: Humanity price to pay? What have you been smoking? China’s method of dealing with the C19 has proven to be the most successful to date. I got “sealed” for about 2 months, you see me turning into Superman or not?

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  • mike:

    China covid management most successful?

    You got to read the CCP’S 2020 population data in details :DD

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  • xoxo:

    The world leaders ,political n business,are very good at promoting GLOBALISATION but they refuse to come together to try and make a * global *(universal) vaccine that is better than all the individual pharceutical companies’ vaccine$?

    And,of course,$ is the other KING next to KING CORONA…

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  • oxygen:

    @ Mike

    IF CNA AND THE MOST LEARNED MINISTER OYK are correct of his analysis and prognosis, I CANNOT COMPREHEND the pandemic spread in remote mining camp completely.

    mike: The minister added that various factors affect the risk of transmission, and limited airflow and poor ventilation worsen the spread. A large majority of infections are in enclosed places with close interactions without masks, prompting the authorities to suspend dining out at restaurants and big gatherings.

    This is “also why a big proportion of infections now actually come from home

    Pogo gold mine is underground mine, the risks of transmission is escalated given limited airflow poor ventilation and close interaction in that setting.

    But how about Sierra rutile mine in Sierra Leone – it is open-pit of gigantic earth moving exercise in reality – and those giant porphyry open pit base metals mines in central and south America where

    - unlimited airflow
    - unlimited open-air ventilation
    - virtually unlimited wilderness distance of social distancing
    - and interaction in the mine setting has to be by two-way radio exchange of zero close interaction

    THE INFECTION PANDEMIC SPREAD AND ITS RE-INFECTION IS THE SAME.

    So I agree with you, @ mike of this

    mike: Time will tell, but so far signs are ugly.

    Vaccine is NO CURE despite what @ We believe what we want to said OF TRUISM too.

    We believe what we want to: Yes, humans will believe what they want to believe.
    Most people will not change their minds once they are made up.
    Especially when fear and death are involved.
    We are all prejudiced.

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  • mike:

    It was estimated that the CN population in 2020 shrunk between $3M to $5M on top of usual falling birth rate, old age natural death and normal death rate.

    According to CCP official released info. The population INCREASED 5.38% over 2010! :DD

    Simply based on compounded % yoy calculation, it is less than 0.54% growth each year!

    Tech, looking at the data, you tell me 2020 CN population data did not heavily massaged? If you said it was not massaged then yeah!

    2016 CN allows 2nd child and 2018 CN even had birth rate going down! Oh, perhaps that years all were baby girls that’s why not registering!

    CN 2020 have lesser 3M new born than 2019. That was despite 2nd Child rules relaxation launched in 2016.

    https://dfscdn.dfcfw.com/download/D25245603679068142000.jpg

    Several major cities falling birth rates!
    No brainer guess what was the actual death rate in 2020 for CN covid.

    CN official report of total covid death count:

    2020 May 4846
    2020 Apr 4841
    2020 Mar 4836
    2020 Feb 4818
    2020 Jan 4782
    2019 Oct 4739
    2019 Jul 4641

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1092918/china-wuhan-coronavirus-2019ncov-confirmed-and-deceased-number/

    I had never seen so straight a line in a report chart before in my life! : DDD

    In 2020 Apr, CN recorded 21 million fewer mobile phone subscribers for the first quarter of 2020.

    Ok ok, let’s say they were 21M subscribers who have more than 1 mobile account! :DDD

    Oh yes, CCP very successful with this covid management. :DDD
    SG should follow CCP style, shutdown lifts and seal stair access?

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  • Let Science Do the Talking:

    I believe most of us are not against vaccination. History has proven that vaccination is good form of protection against diseases. However, vaccine development usually took a long time to put into use because it needs to meet the safety thresholds before it can be used on humans.
    As the mRNA vaccine is relatively new in term of use on humans, some people are apprehensive of its use. It’s natural. They would rather prefer the inactivated virus vaccine which is considered as a more traditional way of making a vaccine. Hence, a choice of vaccines will likely increase the take-up rate.
    Ultimately, the individual will have to make his or her own choice, on whether to vaccinate or not, based on their own circumstances. Meanwhile, SMM is of utmost importance, ie, wear a quality mask, keep a safe distance from others and avoid the crowded areas.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Buahpali

    YOU ARE BANG ON right. @ Free Rider is just the dropping of chicken sh*t in TRE – can’t debate substance, resort to personal attack.

    Buahpali: Just wonder how PAP could accommodate this loony!

    PAP is doomed if all their supporters are of this caliber!

    His usual, as happened in this thread – no surprise there. My a*se is smarter than his desiccated coconut – he knows that too.

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  • oxygen:

    @ mike

    CONGRATS, you are razor sharp of this observation, a straight line chart is
    needs DIVINE’s ASSISTANCE of actual happening to be credible.

    mike: CN official report of total covid death count:

    2020 May 4846
    2020 Apr 4841
    2020 Mar 4836
    2020 Feb 4818
    2020 Jan 4782
    2019 Oct 4739
    2019 Jul 4641

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1092918/china-wuhan-coronavirus-2019ncov-confirmed-and-deceased-number/

    I had never seen so straight a line in a report chart before in my life! :

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Buahpali:
    This is another loony running loose in TRE.

    Probably would only feel good when someone or something is belittled!

    We feel good belittle others ?
    Hahahaha… you cannot defend your master ccP and dpP fake PhD?

    Hello 五毛(ccP IB 共产网军) and 1450 (dPP IB 民主网军)
    I say it out loud again:

    1. DO NOT USE SINOVAC AT ALL COST. (ccP)
    2. DO NOT USE NRICM101 AT ALL COST. (dpP)

    Got guys Go tell your master to convene a public investigation and hearing into your master President XJP and Fake President Tsai fake PhD.

    PRc习近平的假博士学位
    https://twitter.com/john17churchill/status/1084965375924756481

    Roc 蔡英文的假博士学位
    https://www.yzzk.com/article/details/%E4%B8%AD%E8%8F%AF%E5%A4%A9%E5%9C%B0%2F2019-39%2F1569470590686%2F%E8%94%A1%E8%8B%B1%E6%96%87%E5%8D%9A%E5%A3%AB%E8%AB%96%E6%96%87%E6%8E%80%E7%88%AD%E8%AD%B0

    ROc賀德芬:蔡英文論文是騙局!檢察官不必對我仁慈
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj57c9m2pKo

    China (PRc/ROc) are full of lies …confirmed by their fake PhD degree.
    金球獎最佳女導演趙婷: 中國是充滿謊言的國家
    https://www.thenewslens.com/article/148107

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  • oxygen:

    @ Let Science Do the Talking:

    AGREE with much of what you said. Most objections are NOT primae facie anti-vaxxers but HESITANT VAXXERS.

    Vaccine has to be BOTH SWORD AND SHIELD – more shield than sword – because shield protects the human from harm of sword. In analogy, if you fight with someone who is fully protected with both sword and shield but you only armed with a sword, your chance of getting annihilated is infinitely higher.

    Likewise if vaccination is just sword (mRNA) to stimulate the virus WITHOUT IMMUNITY protection (read shield), your life is already at risks continuously. Worst still the sword gives you false sense of security because the fully vaccinated still gets infected.

    In other words, the sword (mRNA) is proven ineffectual of even minimal “shield” (immunity), why bother with discovering its “efficacy” (if the sword otherwise called mRNA works of imagined protection).

    I won’t bother with the vaccine when it has risks of fatality or unknown side effects longer term. IN OTHER WORDS, CHALLENGED, COAXED OR EVEN PROVOKED, I WON’T ENTER A FIGHT!

    In fatality, medical death certificate won’t even admit fatality from vaccination. NEVER WILL IT BE – it is a SUBTERFUGE OF POLITICAL DECEPTION.

    Why?

    A needle prick on the muscle or butt fat is surely NOT going to kill even a baby. but the vaccine injected could trigger a heart attack killing the one vaccinated. So medical science told a TRUTHFUL LIE that the dead did not die from vaccination (but actually die from trigger of vaccine) but heart attack.

    It is a little bit like telling everyone that the sun will rise tomorrow BUT SILENT THAT THE SUN WILL SET before it rise next day again. Half truth and silent of lie undisclosed.

    Political subterfuge DONE A LOT OF DAMAGE to public trust – such as don’t need to wear a mask except as a sexy fashion display in cover of mask shortage.

    HOW TO TRUST VACCINE when liars in the world lie to peasants with a smirky charm and not even blinking an eyelid?

    HOW MANY MORE LIES they have in the bag still waiting to feed the dumbfarked peasants still dazed in lost bewilderment?

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  • mike:

    Dear @ 50c of Great Middle Commie Covid Land

    You scared no chance of Tibet became free again? It shall be.
    Show us so call proof written by bandits?

    Why don’t you say SG belongs to CCP too because the eunuch chief had traveled and passed by?

    Malaysia also belonged to CCP too because CCP married princess to local slaves?

    Russia strictly speaking belongs to CCP too as history said so and that includes many parts of europe?

    愚民

    @M I K E:
    For CCP haters and blind supporters of Tibet independence, here’s an official history of Tibet, an autonomous region of China.

    http://www.ecns.cn/news/2021-05-21/detail-ihamrehu6720812.shtml

    Dear @ Buahpali

    I feel good when history proof to be right again that a great war ultimately happens after or during a pandemic.

    You feel good too when you call another names. Don’t you?

    Bro, i welcome you joining the CCP gangs with name callings and i don’t give a hoot to how you think.

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  • mike:

    Dear @ Let Science Do the Talking

    While i agree most points with you, some points requires further fact readings.

    Luckily, the western world is still a ‘free-world’ at the moment. It took me sometime to dig out this article below, which was published 14 months ago, it will take 10 mins of reader’s time. If anyone bothers to understand vaccines.

    https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/here-s-why-we-can-t-rush-covid-19-vaccine

    And if readers wanting to know more about ADE (Antibody-dependent Enhancement), below is a simple reading:

    https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-safety/antibody-dependent-enhancement-and-vaccines

    If the above did not cause your head to rings and felt dizzy, more professional research paper for your leisure, reader may download PDF of the article to read as bedtime story, it will put you to sleep.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-00789-5

    And if its not enough, there is a library for all:

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12725690/

    Note: based on GOOD reputation of CN manufacturing in recent years, anyone can make a good guess of what China Vaccines at worst it can cause : The ADE.

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  • xoxo:

    Umm,a tiny fraction of the world’s govts’ TRILLIONS OF INJECTIONS could have gone to RESEARCHING A BETTER VACCINE instead of literally PUMPING UP STOCK MARKET$$$?

    THE WORLD IS A CRAZY PLACE,NO,A SAD SAD PLACE TO LOVE IN?

    AFTER COVID,PREPARE FOR CLIMATE CHANGE ISSUES,even with so much talk about GREEN ECONOMY?
    BEFOFE we GO GREEN,we will witness another INCREASE IN GLOBAL CARBON LEVEL FROM THE PENT-UP DEMAND FROM THIS Pandemic.

    Wait and see…

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  • xoxo:

    Why be disappointed with the COVID VACCINES produced so far?
    Even as the WHOLE HUMAN RACE is sufferring from COVID, major countries’ govts are more worried about their economies rather than about finding A TRULY EFFICACIOUS VACCINE for the HUMAN RACE.
    GOVTS PUMP TRILLIONS OF DOLLAR$ INTO SAVING JOBS THAN SAVING LIVES.

    WHY CANT WORLD LEADERS COME TOGETHER TO SEARCH FOR A TRULY EFFICACIOUS VACCINE WITH JUST A SMALL FRACTION OF THOSE TRILLION$ THAT MOSTLY MAKE YHE RICH RICHER ,IRONICALLY,IN A PANDEMIC?

    ARE THERE NO WORTHY N WISE WORLD LEADERS AT ALL?
    OR,ARE THEY ALL *$* worshippers?
    Pray,tell us.

    PS: World rich n powerfool$ are more concerned about a crappy BITCOIN THAN GETTING A SOLID COVID VACCINE?

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  • @mike mike:

    “May 24, 2021 at 5:00 am (Quote)
    Please do not apply CCP style of sealing the HDB blocks.
    There will be a huge humanity price to pay.”

    Lim Peh was in China 2019 and 2020 during which Covid outbreak and being fully contained in China.
    During Feb to Mar, the 小区(condo premises) was not sealed. You still can go out to work and do your stuff. But you need to register and perform ‘ trace together’ mobile App scanning (old people can use ID card for manual recording). Few gates of the premises were closed. You can do exercise at the condo premises like jogging or walk. So you have freedom to move around.

    You hate CCP but please don’t spread false information.

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  • @mike mike:

    China is probably the most successful nation managing COVID-19. I lived through the outbreak and successfully being contained in 2019 and 2020 in China.

    You want me to show you my video footages of me roaming around with thousands of Chinese during golden week holiday sometimes body to body contact at the 兵马俑博物馆?

    Btw, traditional method vaccine like Sinovac and Sinopharm much safer than mRNA.

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  • @mike mike:

    While Holliday in shangri-la Tibetan told me every Tibetan is given monthly living allowances. Tibetans like other minorities are given much lower entry criteria than Han Chinese. Also China government build houses for minorities through pairing with richer provinces to help them alleviate poverty.

    The China government just keep Low profile, work extremely hard to improve lives of every citizens, but there are always people from the west and people like mike live to smear, spread baseless accusations against China trying to destabilise China (HK, Xinjiang and Taiwan).

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  • mike:

    Dear @ 50c of Great Middle Commie Covid Land

    Oh, you are fortunate ah. Good for you! Needles have not come poking you yet. The opportunity will come, and wish you luck.

    And for goodness sake 小区 is not condo premises lah. Years in Commie Land and you still not learned?

    False information? You go search, heaps of videos welding exits of excess and people flying off their apartments in desperation when they were prevented from leaving. Some families have most members dead. But left one sole survivor.

    You are what i call the typical who deny any bad news that can adversely affects your own position.

    Sia sway in SG enough, must sua sway all the way to commie land. Perhaps, that’s where suits youself best.

    How you know was false information? Your denial of truth speaks for yourself.

    @mike mike:
    Lim Peh was in China 2019 and 2020 during which Covid outbreak and being fully contained in China.
    During Feb to Mar, the 小区(condo premises) was not sealed. You still can go out to work and do your stuff. But you need to register and perform ‘ trace together’ mobile App scanning (old people can use ID card for manual recording). Few gates of the premises were closed. You can do exercise at the condo premises like jogging or walk. So you have freedom to move around.

    You hate CCP but please don’t spread false information.

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  • mike:

    Dear @ 50c Of Great Middle Commie Covid Land

    You don’t need to show me videos of life style.
    I already have friends showing me the great golden week visits to several attractions from several provinces which includes your Terracotta Warriors snd even inner mongolia great grasslands. These were the same folks some under lockdown for more than three months. And some are starting to get lock downs again.

    Body to body contact. :DDD you meant having orgies? So what you trying to show?

    You virologist? Sinovac safer? Obviously you don’t understand what is ADE.

    Oops, you are behind the great firewall? Or you got to break the law and climb the wall to watch even youtube?

    Or you are the privilege one given golden permission to climb wall in order to run your 50c worth?

    Here, give you another youtube link :

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RZGuTNhNxOE

    Fxxk, i kept forgetting you are info blocked. I am truly sorry mate. :DDDD

    Traditional method? Why don’t you go brew some chinese herbal tea for your true traditional remedies to cure and prevent covid. Liang Teh huh?

    愚民

    @mike mike:
    China is probably the most successful nation managing COVID-19. I lived through the outbreak and successfully being contained in 2019 and 2020 in China.

    You want me to show you my video footages of me roaming around with thousands of Chinese during golden week holiday sometimes body to body contact at the 兵马俑博物馆?

    Btw, traditional method vaccine like Sinovac and Sinopharm much safer than mRNA.

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  • mike:

    Dear @ Great Middle Commie Covid Land

    Amateur, you tell me holiday, can you drive freely everywhere in Tibet?
    Without 户口, how long can you stay there? :DDD Simple basic knowledge, don’t be careless, 50c.

    Tibetan given monthly living allowance, WOW. You really can lie through your teeth isn’t it? I have Tibetan friends telling me quite differently and took them so much challenges to escape from there. Oh, which parallel universe you were at?

    Alleviate poverty? You must be either kidding me or you are spreading FAKE NEWS fighting against your master. Your CCP master said CN had already out of poverty since last year! How to alleviate poverty when there is NO POVERTY? You sabo your master? You did not get the latest update from your master? How come i much more informed than you? Are you going against your master spreading fake news of poverty?

    If CCP had done so well ‘for’ the people, nothing can destabilise Tibet, XJ, or HK. It is precisely that the people are not leading the life they wanted and suffered restrictions, injustice and broken families in the hands of CCP that people wanted to break free.

    Baseless is the same tone of your master’s foreign speaker’s always been making.

    I am happy that i will live long enough to see a fallen CCP. For that, please don’t run away from them, you should stay on and conscript yourself to fight under your master.

    In any case, covid is already everywhere in CN, ultimately all the UK variants, Indian Variants, Nepal, Thai, Myanmar variants will return back to motherland of the great middle commie. What goes around comes around. Karma, start creating sinovac v2.0, v3.0, v4.0

    CCP virus will return home with a big bang. Please welcome it with your open arms and body-to-body orgies.

    @mike mike:
    While Holliday in shangri-la Tibetan told me every Tibetan is given monthly living allowances. Tibetans like other minorities are given much lower entry criteria than Han Chinese. Also China government build houses for minorities through pairing with richer provinces to help them alleviate poverty.

    The China government just keep Low profile, work extremely hard to improve lives of every citizens, but there are always people from the west and people like mike live to smear, spread baseless accusations against China trying to destabilise China (HK, Xinjiang and Taiwan).

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  • mike:

    Dear @ Great Middle Commie Covid Land

    Oh, forget to update you, my rich uncle had just came back SG from Great Middle Commie Covid Land and together with his second wife’s child, not returning back to the lovely Middle Kingdom any sooner.

    Why? Oh, to help SG economy. :DDDD
    Funny lah!

    So, get ready for your v2.0 sinovac vaccines. My uncles say need to take queue number… too long to wait.:DDD never shy lying these days.

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