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Allow vaccinated people to resume normal activities

Prof Tommy Koh suggested that vaccinated people should be allowed to resume normal lives and that unvaccinated people should not be allowed to visit crowded places and restaurants.

Many people responded strongly against this suggestion. They argued that this is discriminatory and unfair to the people who choose to be unvaccinated for various reasons – some are not medically fit to be vaccinated while others think that vaccination is more harmful than good.

The argument that the proposal is discriminatory is just one perspective. I see the issue from a different perspective.

At present, the entire population is being restricted from normal activities to prevent the spread of the virus.

The proposal put forward by Prof Koh is to allow the vaccinated people to resume their normal activities as the risk of the infection is reduced considerably by the vaccination.

Although the vaccinated people can still be infected, the virus is likely to be mild. It will not harm the infected person, who will recover after a few days.

Furthermore, the virus is less likely to spread when it is in a mild state.

I believe that it is quite safe to allow the vaccinated people to resume their normal activities, such as visiting restaurants, gyms and to resume international travel.

Although the risk is low, the vaccinated people are still advised to continue to wear a mask and to practice social distancing in crowded places.

Instead of describing the proposal as “penalizing the unvaccinated”, it should be described as “allowing the vaccinated people, who are low risk, to resume their normal activities.

Several countries have already taken this step. Prof Koh’s proposal is along the same lines.

 

Tan Kin Lian

 

 

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29 Responses to “Allow vaccinated people to resume normal activities”

  • oxygen:

    THE WRITER IS LIKELY TO BE FACTUALLY INCORRECT of these wild claims.

    tkl:Although the vaccinated people can still be infected, the virus is likely to be mild. It will not harm the infected person, who will recover after a few days.

    Furthermore, the virus is less likely to spread when it is in a mild state.

    I believe that it is quite safe to allow the vaccinated people to resume their normal activities, such as visiting restaurants, gyms and to resume international trave

    CDC head said this just two days ago.

    CDC head, Dr Rochelle Walensky: the agency had seen data that found fully vaccinated people have the same viral load as unvaccinated people and that they too can infect others

    CDC expected to release data that informed change on face mask policy, says delta variant of COVID means ‘war has changed’

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/cdc-expected-to-release-data-that-informed-change-on-face-mask-policy-says-delta-variant-of-covid-means-war-has-changed-11627655532?mod=mw_latestnews

    The JFP/KTV clusters now exceeding over 1000 (?/) cases prove CDC’s warning is correct of risks warning.

    THE VACCINATED IS AT LEAST AS DANGEROUS OF SELF-INFECTED AGAIN AND TRANSMISSION TO THE REST OF COMMUNITY as the unvaccinated.

    Everyone should do their own research and NOT RELYING ON MISINFORMATION.

    Read my further comments in this thread if U are interested of comparison.

    https://www.tremeritus.net/2021/07/29/reasons-against-vaccination/

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  • More PAP propaganda:

    Straits Times: Singaporeans, you think you’ve got problems? Think again – Peter A. Coclanis (Albert R. Newsome Distinguished Professor of History and director of the Global Research Institute at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill. He has lived and taught in Singapore, and (at least before Covid-19) visited often.)

    Coclanis is another STUPID foreigner who thinks he is qualified to talk about Singapore after having visited even worked in the country. When he was lived (and taught) in Singapore he was most likely treated as an expatriate with all the benefits. His job was not at risk from other foreign workers when he was working in Singapore.

    Comparing countries is an “apple and orange comparison”. It is stupid because there are so many relevant variables that makes comparison misleading. For example, Singapore has massive reserves (over a TRILLION$) and perennial Budget surpluses. Most developed countries do not have these.

    Also (real) developed countries are real democracies. Singapore is not. It is a PAP-run police state. Called it “North Korea Lite” or an “Expensive North Korea”. There are no basic freedoms and a free press in Singapore. So elections are not really free and fair. Singaporeans cannot change its political leaders through the ballot. There is not openness and transparency in the public sector in Singapore so there is no real accountability.

    Singapore only has 1st World per capita GDP and COST of living. It does NOT have 1st World wages, productivity, work quality and standard of living – the things that really count.

    This Straits Times Opinion article by Coclanis is just more PAP propaganda. It also proves that even after the recent restructuring of the SPH Group Straits Times is still a propaganda arm of the PAP.

    Nothing new here. Just more of the same PAP bullshit.

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  • TKL, move to Alberta:

    “Alberta government move to immediately remove isolation requirements for those who come in close contact with someone who has COVID-19, with isolation rules disappearing even for those who test positive for the virus on Aug. 16, despite surging daily case numbers.

    Routine testing for those with symptoms of the novel coronavirus will also end by the end of August.”

    Yes, TKL, there is your dreamland. No testing. No isolation. Even covid cases also no isolation. Yes, go there and enjoy your life.

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  • ah chik:

    TKL,GO TO INDIA.
    YOU CAN PROVE YOUR THEORY ON YOURSELF THERE.
    THEN COME BACK N TALK,if you still can.

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  • Billy ma:

    Will PAP or Temasek give out headbands, waistbands, or t-shirt for those vaccinated to ‘walk & live normally’ without harassment from those clowns catching SD & without us having to show proof of our vaccination at every turn & everywhere?

    If not, forget about it.

    Just look at, even after over 18 mths, PAP is still unable to carry out & process QO properly & efficiently.

    And they’re charging a lady who climb out of her Q room because she’s not feeling well.

    The fact is laid bare now – PAP is plain pure incompetent & going forward more of their inept will be blown open further.

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  • Bernard Tan:

    With all due respect, no one has the right to decide how another human’s live.
    If you want to exclude yourselves from the unvaccinated, you have a choice to leave and be in your own cocoon ivory tower.

    Don’t ever think you are well learned and wise. Surely, this is not GOD’s teaching.
    On the contrary; you are the evil one – selfish, egoistic, aloft, seeking self glory, self actualisation and inhuman.

    Please, don’t be a PLASTIC and a WOLF in Sheep clothing.
    Thank you.

    KAMAR is written on the Wall.

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  • oxygen:

    What did @ TKL said about Prof. Koh fb comments?

    TKL: it should be described as “allowing the vaccinated people, who are low risk, to resume their normal activities.

    Several countries have already taken this step. Prof Koh’s proposal is along the same lines.

    And what did Prof. Koh said in his fb?

    Prof. Tommie Koh :I there propose that we bar entry by unvaccinated persons to our markets, supermarkets, Hawker centres, restaurants, bars, concerts, weddings, sports events and places of religious worship. Fully vaccinated persons should be allowed entry to all such places.

    https://www.tremeritus.net/2021/07/27/punish-the-un-vaccinated/

    and what did the CDC Head Dr. R. Walensky says?

    Dr. R. Walensky, CDC head: the agency had seen data that found fully vaccinated people have the same viral load as unvaccinated people and that they too can infect others

    Who among these three comes from the medical profession? @ TKL, Dr.Tommy Koh or Dr. Rochelle Walensky in this public health matter of informed awareness?

    What did the hard data says in US and in Sgp’s own Jurong Fish Port/KTV clusters of ESCALATING RATE of community spread noting that more than 75% of the foundation infection were fully vaccinated to begin with?

    Me thinks @ TKL and Prof. Tommy Koh got the “days and nights” read completely out of kilter with reality. Why?

    If one vaccinated infect one unvaccinated, the ratio of new community spread must by definition lesser than 1, since by now over 50% of the population is vaccinated with at least one dose, i.e. lesser than 1 additional unvaccinated for every vaccinated at JFP/KTV cluster (alongside Changi Airport cluster)

    So instead of this, the runaway infection spread is escalating upwards suggesting that the silent spreaders of vaccinated is adding to RAPIDLY ESCALATING PROPORTIONS.

    This IMHO prove the failing futility of vaccination giving immunity to vaccinated and also spreading INFECTION TO OTHER VACCINATED AND UNVACCINATED INDISCRIMINATELY.

    The global mass vaccination roll out is a MONUMENTAL FAILURE of intended outcome i.e. no protection of vaccinated and unvaccinated and its transmission.

    SO ADVOCACY OF DISCRIMINATORY TREATMENT AGAINST UNVACCINATED IS ILLOGICAL AND STUPID BEYOND INFINITY, going by CDC data and our Sgp’s evidence we have seen till now at least.

    And I have NOT YET in this analysis factor in any other virus mutation beyond Covid Delta.

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  • There are currently 26 cases of serious illness requiring oxygen supplementation, and seven in critical condition in the intensive care unit (ICU).

    Of these, 1 requires oxygen supplementation while 1 requires ICU care as they have underlying medical conditions.

    23 seniors above 60 years, of whom 22 are completely unvaccinated or partially vaccinated, have fallen very ill.

    Can anyone help explain what the hell is MOH talking about?

    1. Is it 26 seriously ill on oxygen PLUS 7 in ICU or does the 26 include the 7 in ICU (presumably also on Oxygen)? “Serious illness requiring oxygen” not jialut enough to be in ICU meh? Why must seperate say?

    2. “Of these, 1 requires oxygen supplementation while 1 requires ICU care as they have underlying medical conditions.” not already lump into the 26 cases serious illness and ICU cases liao meh, why the need to repeat and highlight this again?

    3. So out of the 23 above 60 years, 1 is fully vaccinated also “fallen very ill”, right? So is this 23 out of the total 26 cases of seriously ill or out of the (23+7) seriously ill?

    I eat until so old, also teacher never teach to present stats so confusing and in such atrocious english one, must be prepared by an FT, I believe.

    Walao, simple stats also want to chut pattern, cannot use simple to understand english meh?

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  • oxygen:

    @ TRE Techie

    IT DOESN’T GET more convoluted of messaging than this of public confusion.

    TRE Techie: Can anyone help explain what the hell is MOH talking about?

    Apart from the obvious skewed flavour of not-so-subtle warning against the recalcitrant unvaccinated of those over 60s, nothing definitive comes out of the mouthpiece.

    Why even bother when the unvaccinated are almost – for good reasons understood by themselves – tone deaf to fear mongering?

    I Work With Seniors And This Is Why Some Arent Getting Vaccinated.

    https://www.msn.com/en-sg/lifestyle/topstories/i-work-with-seniors-and-this-is-why-some-arent-getting-vaccinated/ar-AAMDY38?ocid=mailsignout&li=BBr8Cnr

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  • stupid:

    What are normal activities?
    Share table?
    Share food?
    Even social paid sex?
    Serious,paid sex is very NORMAL to many???
    Tan,are you an idiot?
    Many think so.
    So,please stop stop farting.

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  • What say Paul Tambyah ?:

    Ha ha! Bewildering this news ignore here.

    晚報 tonite, WP Mr LTK and Pritam also encouraging elderly to get vaccinated.

    Yo man. WP also endorse vaccination.
    What say u ?

    So next GE , send WP out ? Or mandate GMS?

    Hahaha…

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  • opposition dude:

    Look for the number of cases to shoot up since PAP is looking at 80% vaccinated before declaring it endemic and probably lifting all restrictions. Common sense tells you that once this is done both vaccinated and unvaccinated people will be mingling about with no masks on, no social distancing and no whatever.

    And when the cases shoot up it will be once again be the unvaccinated ones who are blamed. It won’t matter if they say 20% of cases are from partially or fully vaccinated ones since the unvaccinated ones are the bastards according to PAP.

    I don’t know what other punishments unvaccinated people might face other than being barred from makan places and shopping centres. Maybe from public transport too. It will be interesting once the clowns declare it endemic.

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  • Give recommendation.:

    Give recommendation.

    Open the economy where possible.

    Let everybody make their own choice and bear the consequence. No need to restrict people.

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  • zoro:

    Why not just remove the unvaccinated singaporean the rights to vote?

    Also take away the citizenship of unvaccinated singaporean.

    Anyway, singaporean are most easy to control. Majority have same blood of from China which worshipped those who lord over them.

    Thus, just imprison those not vaccinated at home. Let them die in their own flat.

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  • MarBowling:

    zoro:
    August 1, 2021 at 4:12 am (Quote)
    Why not just remove the unvaccinated singaporean the rights to vote?

    Also take away the citizenship of unvaccinated singaporean.

    Anyway, singaporean are most easy to control. Majority have same blood of from China which worshipped those who lord over them.

    Thus, just imprison those not vaccinated at home. Let them die in their own flat.

    Response: your good self is APPARENTLY REFERRING to those WHO ARE ALREADY VACCINATED when YOU PROCLAIMED SINGAPOREAN ARE MOST EASY TO CONTROL! So going by LOGIC, ONLY THOSE WHO LISTENED AND QUAI QUAI WENT FOR THE HOLEE JABS ARE EASY TO CONTROL rather those STUBBORN FOLKS WHO TO DATE HAVE NOT BEEN VACCINATED FOR VARIOUS REASONS AND EXCUSES! Tio bo?

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  • Tommy UnQualified doc:

    Tommy IS UNQUALIFIED to give a doctor opinion.

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  • oxygen:

    @ What say Paul Tambyah?

    It is a Hobson’s choice, not a preferred choice. Nothing bewildering there.

    What say Paul Tambyah ?: Ha ha! Bewildering this news ignore here.

    晚報 tonite, WP Mr LTK and Pritam also encouraging elderly to get vaccinated.

    Yo man. WP also endorse vaccination.
    What say u ?

    So next GE , send WP out ? Or mandate GMS?

    Hahaha…

    I am sure there is similar division among PAPpypolitics – do everyone inside allows their kids to be vaccinated. I don’t see their entire family queuing up for television in show early support.Even now.

    They are hesitating too – from day 1 in Parliamentary sitting among PAPpy’s MP.

    There are legitimate WELL-FOUNDED reasons for vaccine hesitancy – it is a dubious of safety reputation discredited even in top/expert opinion in medical fields.Now even big Pharma have self-doubt – AstraZenecca/Oxford University comes to mind. Pfizer warned of its fast diminishing mRNA efficacy in just 4 months after jabbing.

    And

    Some seniors are afraid of making their existing condition worse for the above reasons.

    Who take care of these elderly seniors and pay for their healthcare bill indefinitely to mortality (PAP. WP or NONE??) if the vaccine harms them instead of doing good WHICH BIG PHARMA has and NOW CONFESSED TO SELF-DOUBTS?

    POLITICS HIJACKED SCIENCE AND YOU COMPLICIT?

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  • oxygen:
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  • oxygen:

    @ What say Tambyah?

    Vaccine hesitancy is among seniors IS NOT UNIQUE to Sgp. As of 31 July 2021, Australian statistics shows more than 35 per cent of people over 50 in NSW have yet to come forward for their first jab.

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/why-are-some-older-australians-not-getting-vaccinated-061026478.html

    Are they all stupid and stubborn or “plain selfish”?

    Or are they all illiterate, no access to internet or corrupt by internet “misinformation.” which the majority in that binary divided all informed, wise and rational of wisdom choices?

    As with financial markets, the majority always got whipped for stupidly wrong. That is why you got a lot of poor stressful gamblers in the stock market and very few rich happy souls tossing their chips each and every betting rounds in the casino.

    I PUT IT TO YOU THAT THE ESTABLISHMENT AND MAJORITY GOT THE VACCINE CALCULATION UPSIDE DOWN – plain stupidly wrong in some instance of denouncing vaccine hesitancy.

    Here are a few obvious pointers.

    Big Pharma have lost faith in themselves of imagined omnipotence. Astrazenecca is “exploring its options” after over 100 million jabs administered, mostly in EU.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/exclusive-astrazeneca-exploring-options-covid-19-vaccine-business-exec-says-2021-07-29/

    Pfizer warned of dwindling efficiency within 4 mths after fully-jabs.

    Politicians themselves hesitate BUT WON’T AND CAN’T ADMIT THEY WERE WRONG of blind advocacy of rushed untested vaccine but reassuring of opposite publicly and worst still in the media playing cat-and-mouse game with public trust. Scomo in Down Under advocated AstraZenecca BUT SECRETLY HAD PFIZER mRNA. How to trust political cows or leopards like this?

    CDC head -just 2 days ago – Dr R.Walensky, warned that virus load of fully vaccinated and unvaccinated show NO DIFFERENCE of re-infection and transmission risks. This is after BILLIONS OF JABS done globally.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/cdc-expected-to-release-data-that-informed-change-on-face-mask-policy-says-delta-variant-of-covid-means-war-has-changed-11627655532?mod=mw_latestnews

    DO YOU NEED DR, FAUCI of FDA to come out to claim credibility of global vaccination campaign AFTER POLITICIANS, BIG PHARMA AND CDC ALL DISCREDITED?

    Take a look at the moral cesspool within FDA itself.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/fda-calls-federal-investigation-into-approval-biogens-alzheimers-drug-2021-07-09/

    BUT THERE ARE A FEW GOOD MEN AND WOMEN – a minority.

    https://www.barrons.com/articles/fda-panel-resignations-approval-biogen-alzheimers-drug-51623428903

    THE MINORITY JUDGMENT IS MOST LIKELY TO BE CORRECT.

    I say to you this @ What say Tambyah, do your own research, trust nobody and make your own decision, good luck and good wishes to you in this pandemic mayhem.

    I am NO anti-vaccine.

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  • oxygen:

    THERE CAN BE NO “NORMALITY” in any aspect of social and economic life in a pandemic-riddled world.

    So it is hard to comprehend the minds and writings of @ TKL and Prof. Tommie Koh.

    US CDC/Reuters: CDC said that people with COVID-19 reported having been at densely packed indoor and outdoor events including bars, restaurants, guest houses and rental homes.

    Most COVID-19 cases in Massachusetts outbreak among vaccinated, says CDC

    https://sg.news.yahoo.com/majority-covid-19-cases-large-174034186.html

    Indeed.

    (Reuters) -Three-quarters of people infected with COVID-19 at July public events in a town on Cape Cod in Massachusetts were fully vaccinated, a study by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) showed.

    Full vaccination gave them a false sense of security – the same as data from JFP/KTV clusters in Singapore.

    CLEARLY A BIG SETBACK FOR GLOBAL ECONOMIC RECOVERY, STOCK MARKET AND ASSET PRICING in general. Even the Fed is caught wrong-footed.

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  • Bruise me:

    TKL: “Prof Tommy Koh suggested that vaccinated people should be allowed to resume normal lives and that unvaccinated people should not be allowed to visit crowded places and restaurants.”

    Can unvaccinated people be allowed to take the trains and buses, since they are sometimes crowded too? Be more specific when you say crowded places.

    Tommy Koh also suggested “to bar entry by the unvaccinated persons to our markets, supermarkets, Hawker centres, restaurants, bars, concerts, weddings, sports events and places of religious worship. Fully vaccinated persons should be allowed entry to all such places.”

    If the supermarkets are to follow his advice, they will have to put up new signs saying “Pets and Unvaccinated Persons Not Admitted”. I think that’s what he meant.

    TKL: “Instead of describing the proposal as “penalizing the unvaccinated”, it should be described as “allowing the vaccinated people, who are low risk, to resume their normal activities.
    Several countries have already taken this step. Prof Koh’s proposal is along the same lines.”

    Please name the several countries you mentioned. This will allow us to see if you really understand the subject that you are talking about.

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  • What say Paul Tambyah ?:

    So u are indirectly saying PAP pressure WP to endorse vaccination ?

    So obvious, What LTK and PS say is direct and straightforward.

    You are trying too hard to twist and turn your way through.

    Sure thing, Keep wankering.

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  • Massive Total Failure:

    MTF, TKL, Prof TK have to swallow back their words for CDC Director Dr Rochelle Wallensky has said that new data shows the Delta variant which accounts for more than 80% of the new infections in the US, behaves ‘uniquely different’ from its predecessors and could make vaccinated people infectious.

    The Delta variant has equalised the vaccinated & unvaccinated status!

    THIS IS THE TAKE HOME MSG FOR MTF, TKL, Prof TK, JC-A & WHOEVER ADVOCATES THE VACCINATION STATUS TO DIVIDE US!

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  • oxygen:

    @ Massive Total Failure

    BRILLIANT OBSERVATIONS – CDC calls the breakthrough infection of the fully vaccinated as “pivotal discovery” – particularly the vaccinated has same virus load as unvaccinated.

    Massive Total Failure: MTF, TKL, Prof TK have to swallow back their words for CDC Director Dr Rochelle Wallensky has said that new data shows the Delta variant which accounts for more than 80% of the new infections in the US, behaves ‘uniquely different’ from its predecessors and could make vaccinated people infectious.

    The Delta variant has equalised the vaccinated & unvaccinated status!

    THIS IS THE TAKE HOME MSG FOR MTF, TKL, Prof TK, JC-A & WHOEVER ADVOCATES THE VACCINATION STATUS TO DIVIDE US!

    It is now uncertain if the immunity defence of the vaccinated having been violated and compromised/penetrated through by Covid Delta leaves what damage to the vaccinated infected hosts.

    Booster jabs baited by Big Pharma might be totally useless and deserted by those already vaccinated now defeated.

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  • oxygen:

    @ What say Paul Tambyah

    THANK YOU FOR SHARING your rejoinder. Your thoughts resides in the domain of “speculative conjecture” in the law parlance not found in evidence or facts but your own fertile imagination.

    What say Paul Tambyah ?: So u are indirectly saying PAP pressure WP to endorse vaccination ?

    So obvious, What LTK and PS say is direct and straightforward.

    You are trying too hard to twist and turn your way through.

    Sure thing, Keep wankering.

    There is no need for PAP to “pressure” WP to endorse vaccination.

    I thought I did supplied this rationality inviting your refutation/s?

    oxygen: POLITICS HIJACKED SCIENCE AND YOU COMPLICIT?

    No politician in ANY CORNER of planet earth stepped up to denounce vaccination – the last frontier, maybe, of faint and now fading hope, of mankind rescue in this pandemic mayhem.

    IT IS POLITICALLY ALIEN AND SUICIDAL TO TAKE AN ANTI-VACCINATION STANCE which I have explained thus

    oxygen: It is a Hobson’s choice, not a preferred choice. Nothing bewildering there.

    No WP or PAPpypolitics will take such an onerous impossible stance of going against vaccination publicly (never mind private reservation/s if any). It is against nature, human rights, and compassion for fellow human kind way beyond the Mt Everest height of climb to reach of political impossibility.

    Despite on different side of the fence in this matter, didn’t I sent me greetings and best wishes to you?

    oxygen: I say to you this @ What say Tambyah, do your own research, trust nobody and make your own decision, good luck and good wishes to you in this pandemic mayhem.

    I am NO anti-vaccine.

    Didn’t you allowed your emotion and hostility blindsided you in this instance?

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    Well well well.
    Apparently WP also support vaccination. Enogh said, case rest.

    https://mothership.sg/2021/08/wp-pritam-singh-low-thia-khiang-get-vaccinated/

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  • Sperm of Whales:

    Tommy UnQualified doc:
    Tommy IS UNQUALIFIED to give a doctor opinion.

    Even among doctors, they have polarly opposite views.
    Scientific Truth means its not Absolute truth. Its true based on assumptions.

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  • #08-193 huang ba dan always:

    Any outbreak will go back to new normal phase two. For everyone.

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