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Why the unvaccinated should not be restricted

The MTF (ministerial task force) decided to place restriction on the unvaccinated from visiting restaurants and malls.

I consider the restriction to be counter productive.

Why?

It imposed a heavy burden on the food outlets and malls. They have to employ workers to check all customers that enter the premises.

The verification caused problems to all customers, including the vaccinated. Each person needs to be checked several times a day.

The verification takes time. This causes a queue and delay on entry.

The unvaccinated needs to enter the malls to visit a medical clinic or to bring children to the education centers. They are prevented from entry unless they take a test. This creates additional problems.

The cost of implementing this differentiation is high.

Is there a need for this restriction on the unvaccinated?

Most people think that it will reduce the risk of spreading the infection.

I disagree for these reasons:

a) In most cases, the risk of the infection is mild. The vaccines does not stop the spread. Many of the vaccinated are infected and could spread the infection.

b) The unvaccinated are at higher risk of being infected and falling severely sick. They are likely to take the precautions, i.e. by wearing a mask and observing the safe distancing measures.

c) The vaccines give a high degree of protection, so the vaccinated are at low risk.

d) In the endemic phase, the experts say that every person will eventually be infected.

Hence the risk of allowing the unvaccinated to enjoy the same treatment as the vaccinated is not great.

I hold the view that it is counter productive to introduce the restriction on the unvaccinated.

Tan Kin Lian

 

 

 

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36 Responses to “Why the unvaccinated should not be restricted”

  • Fire:

    Ai Mai, Ai Mai
    Roti Prata.

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  • Anonymous:

    US CDC puts Singapore on highest travel risk list for Covid-19

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  • Anonymous: US CDC puts Singapore on highest travel risk list for Covid-19

    Which is why I have been saying all along, even if Sinkieland open legs big big, which sane person would want to come to an island that is infested with the deadly C19?

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  • potential serious illness:

    //Which is why I have been saying all along, even if Sinkieland open legs big big, which sane person would want to come to an island that is infested with the deadly C19?//

    hahahaha. for example if your own country is already facing serious civil strife OR is one peaceful country, do you still want to migrate to another civil torn country ??

    potential serious illness or death is what human beings are innately or genetically programed to avoid UNLESS one is gungho enough to venture / underestimate such risk ???

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  • xoxo:

    Whatever excuses have been given by the gahmen,i cannot fathom why they insisted on DUMPING DELTA-INFECTED CECA-FTs n relatives into TINY Sg when already it was reported that Indian Covid variant was spreading fiercely and highly contagious.

    The present scenario that we are facing is the doing of the gahmen.
    Yet,they have the cheeks to bar non-infected unvaccinated sgs from going into malls as a REASON TO PROTECT us?
    If so,WHY NOT BAR ENTRY into MRT,etc TO NON-VACCINATED sgs as well.
    The trains n buses are even more CROWDED ON A PER SQUARE METRE BASIS,IS IT NOT?
    So,the ENTRY BARRIER INTO MALLS DOES NOT HOLD WATER as a reason to protect unvaccinated sgs.

    It is a DISCRIMINATION N FORCEFUL MEASURE TO MAKE UNVACCINATED GET VACCINATED.

    TO ME,THIS IS CHILDISH THINKING ON THE PART OF THE SCHOLAR-FILLED GOVT/CABINET INCLUDING THE PM

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  • NotMyProblem:

    We now have several types of scannings. We have temperature scan, QR code scan, Trace together scan, vaccination scan.

    My question here is, is any one of these scannings relevant or help in fighting this pandemic?

    With all these scannings, are we seeing any reduction in infection and death?

    These are only for show that the MTF is doing something, even if they were totally useless!

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  • illiterate pap voters:

    WE have said this over and over again.

    Before pap ONG ye kung took over, so few deaths per month.

    After pap ONG ye kung to over, so many deaths per day.

    What do the death data prove?

    pap ONG ye kung must go. otherwise more cotton sheep shall die.

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  • What benefit?:

    The Mtf does not think. Everyone has to wear a mask entering the mall and doing shopping, does it matter whether a person is vaccinated or unvaccinated.
    It seems so obvious that the mtf wants to punish the unvaccinated.
    The mtf comprises young ministers who are not politically smart. Think about the next elections.

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  • Vote for the Opposition:

    If you are not happy with what the pap govt is doing, VOTE FOR THE OPPOSITION IN THE NEXT ELECTION !!!!

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  • oxygen:

    @ TRE Techie

    Sinkieland has “PROGRESSED” from windy happy contradiction to INSANE CONTRADICTION as PAPpypolitics continue to fiack up its pandemic containment drama.

    TRE Techie: Which is why I have been saying all along, even if Sinkieland open legs big big, which sane person would want to come to an island that is infested with the deadly C19?

    What is the farking use of AMBUSHED ATTACKS on the unvaccinated locals with ridiculous restrictions when its open legs border opening is gonna welcoming hundreds of thousands or maybe millions of incoming travelers a year ALL WALKING PATHOGEN of breakthrough infection in flight or catch the same in this INTENSELY-INFECTED (but in total denial of reality) island AND SHARING THE VIRUS AROUND WITH EVERYBODY?

    Insanely stupid or not?

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  • Soccerbetting2:

    Why the unvaccinated should not be restricted ?
    1) First ,most of the toilets are found inside shopping mall,if unvaccinated people is restricted,then where to find toilet to pee for unvaccinated ?
    2) Even vaccinated people can contract corona virus, so those vaccinated with corona virus people can enter mall to spread to others but trace together token will detect nothing .Trace together token apps depend on regular update to system to warn others ,think it work that way ? So if a person is vaccinated but not declare as corona virus case ,his/her information to nearby people will always declare as “safe” and allow to enter but the reality is that he/she is virus infected and nearby people in danger ? And those unvaccinated no virus people cannot enter mall ???? Contradicting ?

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  • oxygen:

    @ TRE Techie

    OR HAS PAPpynomics economic model of Sinkieland economy runs out of option other than transforming an island and into a sea of F & B outlets as the central pillar of its future economic survival.

    That is a bit better than Thailand’s Bangkok & Pattaya whose main attraction to massive tourism influx is its density of chicken farms.

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  • nathan chen:

    The majority of the unvaccinated with no major underlying medical conditions if infected suffers no serious illness from C-19 or any other complications from C-19. The vaccinated will test positive after recovery for a long time because this is a sign of long C-19 symptoms.

    Restrictions to malls for the unvaccinated MUST be confined only to eateries, if the letter and spirit of the law make any sense to all citizens. Any restrictions more than this is pure hatred of the unvaccinated by the ruling PAP government.

    It’s ill-treatment perpetuated by Ah Loong, the PM. The three PAP Ministers in the MTF, the PAP government, WP from the opposition party because they have chosen to look the other way by keeping quiet for their party interests, all coffee-shop owners and hawker-stall owners and the ignorant citizens who support the PAP abuse of power.

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  • Billy ma:

    it looks like PAP is waiting & hoping Singaporeans to fight among ourselves between those got the jabs & those without.

    Expect to read about fights, quarrels, & something more serious to happen, yes between jab – citizens & those without.

    Meanwhile PAP? not much. Still get their $million million.
    PAP idea of a solution is to let Singaporeans go sort it out & if fights broke out, so be it.

    Wait for the PAP super rich ministers to express surprise & then start putting full blame on those not vaccinated.

    Divide to rule. It’s easy.

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  • oxygen:

    WITH 83% OFFICIALLY CLAIMED TO BE FULLY VACCINATED on the last count, only 17% are unvaccinated – an untold proportion among them have,by now, infected with mild symptoms or asymptomatic.

    THIS INFECTED MOB among the balance of unvaccinated 17% HAVE ACQUIRED NATURAL IMMUNITY stronger than those vaccinated.

    They are mostly immobile or unwilling social like ants stuck in their homes and not even a risks to their own family. Instead they are at risks of being on the receiving end of breakthrough infection contamination from others needing to go out shopping and work but sharing the same home with them.

    Contrary to UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS of adversity risks, the unvaccinated is the safest component part of the entire population. If the contrary is true, how many case of entire family been contaminated by MTF search-and-destroy of virus detection effort so far?

    SO FAR NONE REPORTED.

    The MTF efforts in targeting the unvaccinated from malls/food court is devious of demonising a select minority – not much worse and stupid of someone eating finger food and wiping his/her a*se coming out of the toilet without washing his/her hand and continue eating.

    In the meantime, the border opening is going to entice in coming foreign travelers – A MASSIVE INFLUX OF WALKING PATHOGEN AND ALL THESE MOB ARE AT RISKS OF BREAKTHROUGH INFECTION or contaminated infection inflight but remain undetected without quarantine provision. Sparks of fire of wild pandemic spread will erupt all over the island and share with the rest of native inhabitants.

    HOW MORE STUPID CAN THIS HYPOCRISY OF TRYING to save the lives of a mere far less than 17% unvaccinated whilst exposing the other 83% to silently rampaging bursts/fire of breakthrough infection?

    For all these observations, I agree with @TKL on this count of his condemnation of PAPpypolitics stupidity in another page of its windy happy contradiction.

    Tan Kin Lian:I hold the view that it is counter productive to introduce the restriction on the unvaccinated

    It is not just counter productive BUT OF CYNICAL DEVIOUS POLITICAL CALCULUS of propaganda!

    Who really cares if Changi Jewel is someone’s idolized white ghost of no visitors except those with business there and their employees – for now?

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  • oxygen:

    TARGETING THE UNVACCINATED with mall and supermarket entry restriction is only as INTELLIGENTLY STUPID as trying to pee out the flame of an entire village on rampaging fire.

    Smart thinkers of this stupid gimmicky political theatre have never done any urination in their home toilet to know it is futile of even putting out a small kitchen fire?

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    These new restrictions on checking unvac. people is another example on how stupid and uncoordinated the MTF/MOM/PMO/MTI/IMDA/MIC are. They mandated malls, F&B outlets, etc.. to check the customers – meaning who bear the costs of such suka-suka whims? Since many people are already have TraceTogether, why they cannot link the scanning of TT with database of who is vac./unvac. – anyone who is unvac will sound some alarm and the person(s) on duty can then check? This will easily cut the need for additional manpower/costs/time by 70-80%. TT app so limited and non-upgradable to link to a simple alarm system, meh? These idiots in ivory towers just don’t think the impracticality of their stupid “next bright idea” becos whatever the outcome doesn’t affect them …. except when the results can let them score brownie points! As I had said many times previous, Stupid Ministers how to be digital Smart Nation?

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  • opposition dude:

    The government claims that this is to protect the unvaccinated which, of course, is pure bullshit. The unvaccinated seniors should be staying home as much as they can instead of going out. Those seniors with multiple underlying illnesses should also exercise extreme care during this period.

    There never was a need to target all unvaccinated people since the majority who died are seniors with multiple illnesses, not the young who do not have any underlying illnesses. But this is typical of how PAP does things, they love targeting specific groups instead of going for the actual demographic.

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  • 4G CMI:

    TKL, why you so naive? The restriction is obviously to force those unvaccinated people to go get themselves jabbed lah!

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  • Anyhow hatam:

    This is going against the grain of living in an endemic Singapore, don’t you think so?

    Can you continue to do this for the next 12 months?

    This is known as stratified living of its citizens……….not enemic living!

    How about those without jab ……………can they go back to work in 12 months in the civil service? Or will they be terminated?

    You need to be clear on what you are doing………..is this democratic as contained in the national creed or constitution?

    Living in an endemic world needs PATIENCE AND TOLERANCE………Do you have it?

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  • Trust only myself:

    Collin Powell also passed away due to covid, what we need to hear is when certain VVIP here also report to maker than everybody will agree covid not so mild………..

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  • Harder Truths:

    This is not bout CovID anymore. It is about locking down the island to stop the expected panic from a coming economic depression.

    The unvaccinated are being punished for going against the orders of the self styled gods of this island. That is all.

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  • Smart Nation:

    This whole exercise of sieving out the unvaccinated seniors at coffeeshops and malls is going a little overboard. The seniors and chronically ill know better than to put themselves at risk by going out without taking precautions. They may not be highly educated but do not under estimate their common sense. The risk of them being infected by family members at home is higher. Therefore Home Recovery is a bad idea. This ban on unvaccinated from going about their daily activities is disruptive and puts pressure on them to get vaccinated against their will.

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  • Smart Nation:

    Correction: amend “the unvaccinated seniors” to “the unvaccinated” in line 1.

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  • I respectfully disagree with Mr Tan. The unvaxxed should remain restricted for at least a month.

    After a month, then we look at daily stats and if it is still high, then the clowns at MTF would not have any excuse to blame the unvaxxed for the infection rate liao.

    Besides, vaxxed people carries a higher viral load than unvaxxed, so avoiding them and not sharing their space is a very good option for the vaxxed.

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  • Save Our Seniors:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ex-joint-chiefs-staff-powell-dies-covid-complications-facebook-post-2021-10-18/

    He died of Covid complications though fully vaccinated.

    MTF should not discriminate vs the unvaccinated!

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  • Feedback:

    In your previous article you stated critics are wrong!
    Then you u-turn to say MTF is right, critics are also right!
    Now you U-turn to say Critics are right MTF is wrong!

    Let’s look back history. Whether vaccine or not vaccine. Infection and death are Low and Mild. That’s true but that was History!

    Oh, vaccine – it was God sent to save us.

    Today, alamak the infection and death are worst than before!

    No need to compare Singapore to World stage. Just compare when Covid started and now the situation.

    Looking at the death data. Majority are above 80 years old.

    Since you are good at Statistic. Look back. How many of these aged people you see then at shopping mall or hawkers center. Or how many on wheel chair bound. If you don’t see these aged people then where are they? Long ago SHN (too old to walk or bed ridden) even before Covid came into the scene. With Covid going on now. Which family member with a sound mind would allow these aged people run about! Even with the face mask on!

    Question now! How did these people got affected? Before Yes, Covid. But death rate very Low. Now everyday, averaging 7 death! How! We know before Old Aged Home was hit. Hospitals was hit. Yes, precautionary measures taken. Now worst right! So why these so called virus so fatal! Delta! Mu! Ebola, SARS or what! Is there no way to detect these virus !

    If those who are caught with these deadly virus should be isolated in one corner and not mixed with other non fatal positive patient! Rocket scientist out there . Are we able to do that!

    I have seen mall now. No temperature scanning. Isn’t this one of the high temperature sign for certain viruses incubating!

    That should not be the reasoning of stopping non vac or vac from these shopping mall or hawker center. If their family are infected, all are already SHN!

    One must understand even a vac person is likely to spread but again. Their infection could be mild. If not, he will be SHN.

    There are 2 prospective to look at shopping mall or hawker center:

    1. To prevent aged person or un vac person from catch the fatal virus from a infected young person at the place. Maybe possible. Where are the probability? If that’s the case. Wherever aged or unvac could get the infection anywhere. Do viruses look for only at shopping mall or hawker center.

    2. Or to stop the un vac person to spread the virus. But logically, this is impossible. If the un vac people liable to catching the virus there. No need to stop them. They will be first to be in SHN compared to a vac person.

    Testing is important. Not because Positive or Negative. Is the testing able to differentiate to state Delta or other viruses. This should be the answer to all these increase in infection.

    We can prevent Singaporean from jamming our health care. But are we ready to open up the border and allow all these travellers to jam our health care. Especially those with illegal vac certificate? Until we are able to settle the fatal virus. Then we are ready.to open. Please remember: even vac person are still facing fatal casualties.

    I welcome the report on high infection and death report. Singapore is not the haven for Covid cure. Let’s not kid ourselves. We need to deter travellers with illegal vac certificate to be here. Singapore is a Clean and Fine City. It’s no long clean literally with the Covid viruses. It’s really a fine city, looking at all the penalty melted out on people who break Covid rules. Even return the trays! Yet, infection are high. Very high compare to before.

    Calling all rocket scientists how come? Community spread! Sorry, it’s call Cluster. Who say: once upon a time,chances of children to catch Covid is practically not possible. Now look at the infected children! TKL not other country children! It’s our own Singapore children. Wake Up! Dreaming Joe.

    If not, who you got to call : Virus Buster! Make sure you go around shopping mall Hawker center with microscope to look for Delta viruses. You go, after all you got your booster shot already. Go proof your point with statistic!

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  • Harder Truths:

    Save Our Seniors:
    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ex-joint-chiefs-staff-powell-dies-covid-complications-facebook-post-2021-10-18/

    He died of Covid complications though fully vaccinated.

    MTF should not discriminate vs the unvaccinated!

    I believe the data we are being given on how many vaccinated die from CoVID is false. They are purposely using other causes to blame the death on rather than the true reason of CoVID. Other countries’ data support a much higher death by vaccine to those vaccinated.

    We are being told big lies to make us believe the vaccination is working.

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  • Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    HAHAHA…Guys, don’t worry about these silly “restrictions” lah.

    Sinkingpore is ALREADY a small prison island cum police state since the 1970s.
    A little inconvenience of not going to malls is merely minor negative, since this tiny little red dot has not much interesting places to go to anyway. LOL.

    We’re not like say M’sia or Australia where if I am restricted from driving to another state to enjoy some beautiful mountain view or fishing in some picturesque lake or isolated beach resort – THAT would be a Big Loss of freedoms and enjoyment, yes?

    In contrast, Sinkingpore has nothing much to restrict anymore, except shopping malls now?? LOL. Sinkies so pathetic until they salivate for shopping malls ah? LOL.

    Personally, I’m sick of going to shopping malls already… always the SAME boring shop brands, same Daiso, same BreadTalk and the same NTUC/Cold Storage, same cookie-cutter F&Bs etc. and besides, I can buy most things online at much better prices now. LOL.

    Anyway, you guys really think they have the stamina to enforce these “shopping mall restrictions” for long meh? Just look at the wishy-washy way they implemented the “Trace Together” BS and also temp checks at shopping malls etc. LOL.

    Maybe initially, they will have lots of stupid “Social Distancing” ambassadors to chase down violators and then they will report it in the headlines to SCARE sinkies into obedience; but after some time, I see many shopping mall security guards even sleep at the entrance and don’t even bother to check if I scanned the stupid token or not. LOL.

    So, just be patient and wait for awhile lah… after some time, the PAPies and their over-zealous minions will also tire of this game and then give up and “boh chap” what “Trace Together” or this new restrictions on unvaccinated yah? LOL.

    I’m just watching with pop-corn : to see whether and how the PAPies will convince Sinkies to go get their 3rd / 4th /5th/ 6th etc. booster jabs ad infinitum and which Nth booster jabs they can hit, before Sinkies finally either drop dead or revolt. LOL.

    Judging from pats behavior of Sinkies with SSS, I’m betting they can “achieve” number 9th booster jabs, before Sinkies even start to make a squeaky sound of protest. LOL

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  • Blame the M_Fs:

    The more checks, the more social interaction at close distance.

    The MTF IS spreading the pandemic by their rules. Every mandated check is one more close distance communication. When (not if) one of the checkers get covid, he is going to talk at close distance to thousands of people.

    DBS of these M_Fs.

    theforgottongeneration: These new restrictions on checking unvac. people is another example on how stupid and uncoordinated the MTF/MOM/PMO/MTI/IMDA/MIC are. They mandated malls, F&B outlets, etc.. to check the customers

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  • Nathan Chen:

    The only places people in Singapore are truly living with the C-19 endemic are in the congested MRT, LRT and public buses with masks on minus social distance. It is by default and not design or choice. The three genius ministers in the MTF plus the Transport Minister, since the start of the C-19 pandemic have no ideas how to come up a comprehensive and effective Safe Management Measures for the most utilised national mode of transport the MRT. So they did practically nothing or seriously risk disrupting the haemorrhaging economy further.

    Deserted and half-empty malls have more SMM checks than the thousands of commuters using the MRT daily. The MTF ban the non-vaccinated from the malls but not the MRT. After all, Singapore did have a close-call, when Delta variant infection clusters were formed in several bus-interchanges threatening the transport interlinked infrastructures all over the city state.

    Singapore deadly second wave is no where near even the middle of the summit. And the MTF and PAP dreamers are already talking about the peak and trough of the second wave. No use blaming shrinking number of the unvaccinated. No use outlawing them by making vaccination mandatory. You want to see a flat plateaued wave to live with C-19 and open with a big bang, people like Ah Loong, Lawerence Wong and Ong Ye Kang can go and fcuk themselves, because there are no such thing as cautious opening of the borders. Liars.

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  • Wow, heard Delta’s little brother AY 42 is coming to town to join Delta, it is reported 10% more playful and active than Delta wor.

    The clowns at MTF must be thrilled.

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  • macro:

    Fully vaccinated but died of Covid
    Fully vaccinated but died of Underlying Conditions
    Boosters needed for new variants (har?)

    Not declaring mandatory of vaccination
    Control reporting of vaccine caused death
    Home quarantine of vaccinated to further reduce reporting and autopsy of death at home

    Our G is trying very hard to excuse ownself from the decision made
    Taking all means to avoid large scale compensation on vaccines injuries and death
    Hiding from all responsibilities of bad decisions

    When everyone is vaccinated, SG will be a dying nation
    Getting common for people to drop dead suddenly watch out for your bus, taxi and uber drivers

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  • Super Siamz Seal:

    Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:
    HAHAHA…Guys, don’t worry about these silly “restrictions” lah.

    Sinkingpore is ALREADY a small prison island cum police state since the 1970s.
    A little inconvenience of not going to malls is merely minor negative, since this tiny little red dot has not much interesting places to go to anyway. LOL.

    We’re not like say M’sia or Australia where if I am restricted from driving to another state to enjoy some beautiful mountain view or fishing in some picturesque lake or isolated beach resort – THAT would be a Big Loss of freedoms and enjoyment, yes?

    In contrast, Sinkingpore has nothing much to restrict anymore, except shopping malls now?? LOL. Sinkies so pathetic until they salivate for shopping malls ah? LOL.

    Personally, I’m sick of going to shopping malls already… always the SAME boring shop brands, same Daiso, same BreadTalk and the same NTUC/Cold Storage, same cookie-cutter F&Bs etc. and besides, I can buy most things online at much better prices now. LOL.

    Anyway, you guys really think they have the stamina to enforce these “shopping mall restrictions” for long meh? Just look at the wishy-washy way they implemented the “Trace Together” BS and also temp checks at shopping malls etc. LOL.

    Maybe initially, they will have lots of stupid “Social Distancing” ambassadors to chase down violators and then they will report it in the headlines to SCARE sinkies into obedience; but after some time, I see many shopping mall security guards even sleep at the entrance and don’t even bother to check if I scanned the stupid token or not. LOL.

    So, just be patient and wait for awhile lah… after some time, the PAPies and their over-zealous minions will also tire of this game and then give up and “boh chap” what “Trace Together” or this new restrictions on unvaccinated yah? LOL.

    I’m just watching with pop-corn : to see whether and how the PAPies will convince Sinkies to go get their 3rd / 4th /5th/ 6th etc. booster jabs ad infinitum and which Nth booster jabs they can hit, before Sinkies finally either drop dead or revolt. LOL.

    Judging from pats behavior of Sinkies with SSS, I’m betting they can “achieve” number 9th booster jabs, before Sinkies even start to make a squeaky sound of protest. LOL

    Hahaha…haven’t step inside a mall for the last 2 years since the safe entry was implemented. Manage to compile a list of secret food places EVEN Makansutra Seetoh cannot beat. Not for sale. yum yum. LOL

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  • just WANT you to comply:

    //These new restrictions on checking unvac. people is another example on how stupid and uncoordinated the MTF/MOM/PMO/MTI/IMDA/MIC are.//

    looking from another perspective, this is all part of social programming (constantly reinforced ???) that people are adapting to CONTROLS (no matter the reason or illogical reason, the white idiots and gang just WANT you to comply like sheep to be herded ???) and slowly come to expect that this is all VERY NORMAL (very mechanical ???) ???

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  • Counter-Intuition:

    Discrimination against those unvaccinated is counter-intuition, I just can’t wrap my mind around it. It is INSANE!

    Those unvaccinated are not as contagious as those who were fully vaccinated. They are just as likely to be infected with Covid as those fully vaccinated. They do not behave in a way which will cause the situation to be worse. If the MMTF need push the buck, it should try punishing those who behave in such a way as to cause Covid to spread in the community. These include:
    1) Those at noisy eateries, talking loudly to each other. After eating, they should give up their seats and move to a quiet place to engage in conversation (with their mask on).
    2) Those habitually not putting on mask in crowded places and talked without putting on mask (or not properly put on).
    3) Those habitually engaged in conversation (including on handphone) while inside public transport.
    4) Those habitually disregard social distancing (at least 2m).
    5) Those who allow people from high risk region to enter and mixed with the community.

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