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Unvaccinated by choice to pay own medical

The unvaccinated by choice, who are poor, may simply try their best not to go to the hospital, even as they get sicker, if they test positive for Covid-19 using the ART test at home, because they may be worried about the financial ruin that they and their families may have to face, since they may have to pay for their own medical bills from 8 Dec, as announced today.

Isn’t this ridiculous, cruel and totally lacking in compassion and empathy!

The remarks “But they will still be able to tap on regular Government subsidies and MediShield Life or private Integrated Shield insurance plans”, may offer little consolation, as “regular Government subsidies” may mean that you still have to pay the net amount after the subsidies, and MediShield Life has limitations such as various claim limits, various pre and post hospitalisation expenses, ambulance fees, etc, and all these provided you end up in the Class C or B2 ward of a public hospital or in the case of integrated Shield insurance plans which may be subject to deductibles or co-insurance, in Class B1 or A in a public hospital or private hospital.

Medisave has withdrawal and eligibility limits.

Also, the Covid-19 infection may lead to long term effects which require medical treatment which (does it mean that) may have to be paid by the patient too, because he or she was unvaccinated by choice?

As to “The Government will continue to cover bills for people who are ineligible for vaccination, such as children aged under 12 and those who are medically ineligible” – it was announced today that “Those medically ineligible to get vaccinated against Covid-19 will, from Dec 1, get concessions from safe management measures, after they are certified by a doctor.

They will be able to dine at eateries, enter malls and participate in activities where vaccination-differentiated safe management measures (VDS) are required.

From Nov 15, such individuals can visit any general practitioner clinic, or public or private healthcare institution to be certified medically ineligible, the multi-ministry task force announced on Monday.

These medically ineligible individuals will be issued a standard paper memo, which should be presented along with a government-issued photo identification card to be exempted from VDS.

For someone to be medically ineligible for all Covid-19 vaccines under the national vaccination programme, he has to be:

- Aged 18 and above and unable to complete the vaccination regime due to allergies or a previous severe adverse reaction to all vaccines under the national vaccination programme; or
- Aged below 18 and unable to complete the vaccination regime due to allergies or a severe adverse reaction to a previous dose of a Pandemic Special Access Route-authorised mRNA Covid-19 vaccine, and unable to take the Sinovac CoronaVac vaccine; or
- Has the following conditions or had the following treatments: organ transplant within the past three months, and/or aggressive immunotherapy, and/or active cancer under treatment.

The Ministry of Health (MOH) is also working with the Government Technology Agency to reflect the medical ineligibility status in such individuals’ TraceTogether app, so that they can pass through TraceTogether/SafeEntry check-in systems without needing to show the paper memo, MOH said in a statement on Monday.

MOH will separately update healthcare establishments on the certification process, the agency said.

“While we have extended a concession to those who are medically ineligible to be able to dine in, enter malls and participate in activities where VDS is required, they remain unvaccinated and their risk of becoming infected with Covid-19 and/or becoming severely ill remains real and very high,” MOH stressed.

“We strongly encourage these individuals to minimise such activities and to use this concession judiciously.”

 

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48 Responses to “Unvaccinated by choice to pay own medical”

  • Fire:

    This isn’t good news for the Unvax .

    The good new is :-
    Family members of 5 can Dine ouch .

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  • oxygen:

    TYRANNY OF OPPRESSION – who says the conspiracy theories are figment of fantasy now?

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  • Fire:

    You might be slow .

    The United States has approved the use of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine for children aged five to 11

    Singapore’s expert committee on the Covid-19 vaccination is also assessing extending the vaccine to children in the same age bracket .

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  • Fire:

    Fire:
    You might be slow .

    The United States has approved the use of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine for children aged five to 11

    Singapore’s expert committee on the Covid-19 vaccination is also assessing extending the vaccine to children in the same age bracket .

    Since when there is so call Exe pert

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  • The clowns at MTF clearly has lost the plot a long time ago and probably lost their minds too. Oxymoronic policies by a bunch of clueless morons is all I can say.

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  • slippery road:

    Not sure it is a good move…
    A start on a slippery road of no return.
    It is the duty of the Government to take care of all the sick Citizen…
    Should not practice punitive policy…

    Tech: So much grounds to sue, if only Sinkieland has courts and judges like those in the US of A.

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  • opposition dude:

    The noose will be tightened even more for the unvaccinated, just wait for more announcements next year. Don’t be surprised if they put loads of effort into monitoring those unvaccinated who are SHN and jail/fine heavily those who break the law, we all know how PAP likes to do things after all.

    And if this still isn’t enough I wouldn’t be surprised if they make the unvaccinated not able to buy/sell their flats, pay loads more income tax and get no subsidies (GST vouchers and all that) at all.

    The main aim is to make life unbearable for the unvaccinated. So just wait for more announcements to come.

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  • I remember when China just started its vaccination drive, there was also a provision for exemption for those are unsuitable to be vax to get a memo from a doctor.

    HOWEVER, no doctors would dare issue such a memo to even a dying cancer patient for fear of offending the powers that be.

    Can we, therefore, expect anything different from Sinkieland’s doctors?

    You tell me.

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  • Expect spike of dead at home:

    Most of the unvacinated would chosed not testing themselves even they had symptoms of Covid infection. Even worst, they just stay at home when they are sick, not seeking treatment. Expect the death rates would spiked and not counted on covid. God must had eyes to punish the evil being for shirking their duties of not taking care of every citizens. It is inhuman.

    Tech: If I were them and cannot afford medical, I take buses and mrts go for around the island tour everyday until I meet my maker. lol

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  • Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    opposition dude:
    The noose will be tightened even more for the unvaccinated, just wait for more announcements next year. Don’t be surprised if they put loads of effort into monitoring those unvaccinated who are SHN and jail/fine heavily those who break the law, we all know how PAP likes to do things after all.

    And if this still isn’t enough I wouldn’t be surprised if they make the unvaccinated not able to buy/sell their flats, pay loads more income tax and get no subsidies (GST vouchers and all that) at all.

    The main aim is to make life unbearable for the unvaccinated. So just wait for more announcements to come.

    Bring it on! LOL.

    I’d be keen to see how far PAPies dare to go to twist the screw in, because I also want to see how much ridiculous policies Sinkies can take lor. LOL.

    GST vouchers is too mild lah. PAPies are still chickens now. They still DARE NOT implement rule to say JAIL all who refuse vaccination mah. LOL.

    Why Sinkies so scared of their PAPies little Halloween tricks ah?
    When PAPies say you have to pay your own medical bills, Sinkies forget to ask the basic question first:

    Since WHEN has PAPies EVER paid for your medical bills ?!? LOL.

    Fact is, we have ALWAYS been paying from our own medical bills either in cash or via medisave (which is still our own money etc.).

    IF instead, you were injured by the vaccine, you think it will be easy for you to get PAPies to pay for your medical bills meh? LOL.
    Ask Michael Yong (an otherwise healthy man) whether the doctors still insists his injury has NOTHING to do with his vaccination lor.

    So, UNLESS PAPies DARE to say “You cannot use your own Medisave to cover your own Covid-related expenses”, then essentially there is NO changes in medical policies. LOL.

    PAPies scare little Sinkie kids by saying “I will make you Pay & Pay for your little sweets”, when, you WERE, have ALWAYS BEEN and still is PAYING for your own sweets from your own pockets all along!. LOL.

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  • @Spineless Sinkie Syndrome

    Most Sinkies have a very high threshold for pain, just losing some of their freedoms and maybe even jobs won’t affect them too much. They can become Grab drivers, barbers, collect cardboards, maids in other countries, etc etc.

    Maybe, just maybe when it affects their ability to live, then they will feel excruciating pain.

    By then, it may already been too late.

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  • C’est la vie:

    ***
    Unless the nation has forgotten, which is very very singaporelarly, … where the fish, is that much lauded and trumpeted SG’s co-developed vaccine, ARCT-021, … announced and headlined 1️⃣2️⃣ friggin mths ago !!!
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  • xoxo:

    Could the only official oppp MPs from WP say something as a voice for voicelss unvax sgs?

    This is contrary to the notion that every sg counts.
    This is not unlike The Military Junta of Myammar.
    VB spoke against such absurd govt conduct.
    Now,sgs are facing such persecution.

    Whoever comes out with such errant idea must own up.
    Eversince OYK became more actively involved in MTF COVID ,more and more ridiculous policies are churning out.

    This idiot must be RID OFF AS SOON AS NEXT GE.
    ONE TERM IS ALREADY BAD.
    A SECOND TURN FOR THIS IDIOT IS TOTAL DESTRUCTION for sgs.

    Tech: The Wayang Party is NOT against the discriminatory policies against the Unvax, so why should they suport the unvax Sinkies?

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  • xoxo:

    It would be a novel idea for OPPO PARTIES to COMBINE FORCES BY SENDING ONE CANDIDATE EACH TO STAND FOR GRCs where MPs and MINISTERS like ONG YOU CON stand.
    A COMBINED OPPO TEAM COULD FIGHT AS ONE AS GRC HAS AT LEAST 3 OR MORE SEATS,EACH REPRESENTING ONE *SMC* EFFECTIVELY.

    WP SHUD THINK OF UNITING WITH OTHER OPPO SGS IN SUCH MANNER TO GARNER MORE SEATS,EVEN THE GRC AT SEMBAWANG WHERE DAFT MINISTER ONG YOU CON IS IN CHARGE OF SEMBAWANG CENTRAL.
    LET THIS ARROGANT IDIOT TASTE HIS OWN SHIT!!!

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  • xoxo:

    @Tech
    WP must speak up for the UNVAX CITIZENS AT AJ/HG/SKC WHO VOTED FOR THEM.
    THATS THEIR SACRED DUTY.
    IF NOT WHY SHUD these sgs vote for them?

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  • @xoxo

    You really think the Wayang Party or any other opposition parties give a shit about the unvaxed.

    Without revealing too much, wait for the article “Why do we even need these opposition parties” which I have forcibly stood down against the editor’s wish about the opposition parties, in particular the 3 BIG oppos.

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  • xoxo:

    @TRE Techie
    I am not hoping the WP N EVEN THE BIGGER OPPO PARTIES DO SO.
    I DO EXPECT TO.

    IF NOT,WHY BOTHER TO GIVE THEM OUR PRECIOUS VOTES?
    So far,ONLY LIM TEAN is LENDING HIS VOICE.

    Tech: You are right, they don’t deserve your vote. Did you know that some oppos (especially the big ones) are not FOR the JR action? While they have not expressed that they are against the JR, at the very least, it can be said that they have no objection to the MTF slapping the unvaccinated super hard. In any case, let us wait for the article to reveal how ‘great’ and ‘hypocritical these big oppos really are.

    To me, they are just a bunch of hypocrites, i.e. wayang parties. If I were to be in Sinkieland, I would rather vote for a doggy independant than for the 3 biggies or the incumbent.

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    @ WP must speak up for the UNVAX CITIZENS AT AJ/HG/SKC WHO VOTED FOR THEM.
    THATS THEIR SACRED DUTY.
    IF NOT WHY SHUD these sgs vote for them?

    Now Wait a minute.

    WP position already clear. Didnt Mr LTK and Pritam already release video appealing people to go vaccination.

    SDP Mr Tambyah also release video on facebook even earlier about vaccination

    SDP Mr Chee also wrote a article with recommendations on his methods or steps to deal with covid.

    What happen ? Suddenly visitors here become blind, deaf and mute.

    PSP is quiet not voicing out but i believe Mr Tan CB also agree with vaccination.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    slippery road:
    Not sure it is a good move…
    A start on a slippery road of no return.
    It is the duty of the Government to take care of all the sick Citizen…
    Should not practice punitive policy…

    Tech: So much grounds to sue, if only Sinkieland has courts and judges like those in the US of A.

    U$ of A ? Why ?

    I thought you love China so much that everyday sing praise of the ev1l CCP ?

    Tech: Hint – Does US of A has marsupial courts?

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  • xoxo:

    WTF! Sgs treated worse that NON-CITIZENS!
    NOT VAX,THEN MUST PAY FOR TREATMENT FOR COVID(DELTA) ?!
    Even FTs’ relatives GET FREE COVID TEEATMENT if they have been vacinated?
    HOW IS OYK N THE OTHER CLOWNS INCLUDING LEE AH LONG GOING TO PROVE SUCH FOREIGNERS ARE FULLY VACCINATED JUST BECOS THEY PRODUCE SOME CERTIFICATES WHICH MAY BE FAKED JUST LIKE THAT A*STAR FT who FAKED DEGREES BOLDLY?

    THE GAHMEN CANT EVEN ENSURE FTs EMPLOYED BY OWN GOVT AGENCIES DO NOT FAKE CREDENTIALS,what more a FAKE VACCINE CERT THAT COULD BE MORE CHEAPLY BOUGHT N EASILY PRODUCED???

    THE SUDDEN POLICY AGAINST UNVAX SGS PROVES HOW ARROGANT THIS GOVT IS!

    NOT ONLY DID THE MTF CREATED THE CURRENT WIDE SPREAD OF DELTA COVID BY DUMPING CONFIRMED DELTA-INFECTED FTs and their relatives here after the lockdown,they oso RAIDED $100 BILLION OF SGS’ HARDEARNED RESERVES TO DISH OUT GENEROUS FURLOUGH$ TO THESE FTs who brought into TINY SG THE DELTA COVID.

    THE PAY OWN TREATMENT COVID POLICY FOR UNVAX sgs is a MOCKERY OF CITIZENSHIP when even INFECTED RELATIVES OF FTs GET FREE TREATMENT at sgs’ expense???

    I know WP MPs have chosen to be vaccinated,,so too other oppo sgs but IT IS STILL THE DUTY N OBLIGATION OF WP N OTHER OPPO NCMPs N LEADERS TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST THIS UNFAIR ,UNDEMOCRATIC PI
    POLICY to show reciprocity to unvax sgs’ support for the WP/ OTHER OPPO.

    IF NOT,WE CAN SIMPLY FORGET ABOUT OPPOSITION MPs altogether n JUST LET THE PAP FLEX THEIR STRONG ARMS UNOPPOSED NEXT GE.

    EITHER OPPO SHOWS SINCERITY OR OPPO SUPPORTERS CAN STOP WASTING TIME N EFFORT FOR THE WP/ OPPO ALTOGETHER!!!

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  • xoxo:

    This is THE TIME FOR OPPO MPs to show SINCERITY.
    IF NOT,we can conclude the OPPO MPs are really USELESS!
    Then,WHY WASTE TIME.
    AFTERALL,OPPO MPs are oso getting GOOD SALARIES PAID BY VOTERS.
    WHY SHUD THEY ENJOY SUCH GOOD Pay for being MUTE ON A CLEARLY ANTI-SGS POLICY?

    THIS GOES BEYOND UNVAX SGS HAVING TO PAY FOR TREATMENT,IT SHOWS THE OPPO IS JUST ANOTHER WAYANG.

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  • Well done, Singapore!:

    People have been given amble opportunity to get the jabs.

    No sympathy for those who wilfully go unvaccinated!

    Just like the way the ghamen dealing with the problem.

    Well done, Sinkiland ghamen!

    Tech: Pray tell, why should anyone take the experimental untested vaccines? Convince me, please.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Expect spike of dead at home:

    You flushed your desiccated coconut down the toilet bowl together with your wet discharge when you last visited the washroom?

    IT IS TELLING THE UNVACCINATED that they either didn’t paid tax or their tax contribution to the budget coffers is stolen in denial of reality otherwise.

    This regime is either inefficient or dishonest or both. Disgusting incompetent mob unfit to lead and govern – forget about their undeserving stratospheric height self-awarded paychecks against public protest and interest detriment. A voluntary pay cut for them would contribute a respectful contribution to nation building in these difficult time of national solidarity.

    Expect spike of dead at home: Most of the unvacinated would chosed not testing themselves even they had symptoms of Covid infection. Even worst, they just stay at home when they are sick, not seeking treatment. Expect the death rates would spiked and not counted on covid. God must had eyes to punish the evil being for shirking their duties of not taking care of every citizens. It is inhuman.

    What else of inhumane thoughts you carries in your thoughts of even attacking the sick in this vaccine apatheid? If they are sick, they will naturally seek assistance. Why lift up to stratospheric height of financial impediment to deny them?

    “Divine” is not as cruel of your preaching here. I don’t believe in divine existence until you supply proof that this entity is either male or female. Can you?

    It is the same windy happy contradiction of you coming here to piously champion for evil denial of healthcare for some whilst preaching kindness of pretended humanity preservation.

    IT IS YOUR FART OF FICTION.

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  • MarBowling:

    KARMA AND RETRIBUTION WILL EVENTUALLY CATCH UP WITH THIS MF and INHUMANE BA*TARD AND HIS OR HER FAMILEE who came out with this Farking idea of “Unvaccinated by choice to pay own medical”, period!

    He or she has the bloods of those UNVACCINATED who has chosen NOT TO VACCINATE due to one reason or another, in his or her SMELLY and FILTHY HANDS! HEAVEN HAS EYES. MAN PROPOSES GOD DISPOSES!

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  • oxygen:

    @ Expect spike of dead at home:

    BY YOUR WARPED LOGIC, foreigners visiting don’t pay taxes and therefore our overwhelmed healthcare system should ignore/refuse their healthcare needs if infected – if they can’t proved vaccination or they were vaccinated but still fall into infection because of breakthrough infection whilst inflight coming in.

    Should they stay in their hotels waiting to die?

    I can’t imagine the sight (and capture/display on social media) of uneral directors evacuating loads and loads of foreign corpses from our 5-stars hotels every day on front page headline news read across the world.

    Do you?

    You spoke of “evil” distinction from “humanity” preaching.

    Isn’t this ironic if my hypothesized above scenario emerges into reality of the consequences of healthcare access discrimination?

    What if foreign countries also – in reciprocity – refused to give traveling Sinkies either on vacation/business the same healthcare access in apatheid?

    In time to come, there will be millions, every year, of foreigner coming in or passing through Sinkieland, how many millions of corpses do you want funeral directors to evacuated of dead foreigners from hotels in hazmat suites?

    MADNESS OR UNTHINKING LUNATIC POLICY or both!

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  • Well done, Singapore:

    All vaccines have gone through stringent clinical trials, they are no longer “experimental “!

    “Experimental vaccines “ is a term used by vaccines sceptics.

    They use it because they did not do their due diligence.

    As a result of their propaganda on the internet, negative impact on the fight against the virus ensured and delayed the arrival of the new normal!

    Well done, Singapore!:

    Tech: Pray tell, why should anyone take the experimental untested vaccines? Convince me, please.

    Tech: Simple question. Do you have scientific evidence that the vaccine prevents infection or injuries or death? So far it has all been what the pharma said, while independent studies have proven otherwise, ya?

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  • xoxo:

    The 15 pct or so of sgs who choose not to be vaccinated still represents a SUBSTANTIAL PERCENTAGE OF THE SGS WHO VOTED WP N OTHER OPPO SGS against the PAP ‘s mostly ANTI-SGS POLICIES INCLUDING SUCH LIKE LIFT/HDB UPGRADING,FT POLICY ETC.

    NOT VOICING OUT FOR THESE VOICELESS N MISTREATED SGS MAY MEAN A SIZEABLE LOSS OF FUTURE SUPPORT for the WP N OTHER OPPO SGS as soon as next GE.

    SUPPORTING THE GOVT’S VACCINATION PROGRAMME IS NOT THE SAME AS SUPPORTING THE GOVT’S HAUGHTY N UNCALLED FOR MISTREATMENT OF CITIZEN-VOTERS WHO CHOOSE NOT TO GET VACCINATED.
    This,the WP MPs must note.

    Tech: You are so correct, but the WP has been very busy lately, working on how to exonerate and keep that lying MP, so no time for the unvaxed.

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  • the only distraction left:

    //People have been given amble opportunity to get the jabs.

    No sympathy for those who wilfully go unvaccinated!//

    currently the trajectory of infection is unpredictable as the vaccination of the world is not harmoniously even and complete; and as long as it is not eradicated, new variants may result ?? it will still spread if you intend to live with it or open up (because of the asymptomatic nature of spreading CONVID99 and tests are not 100% reliable ??), vaccine is not a 100% magic (waning efficacy ?) and deaths will still result ??

    now the focus (perhaps the only distraction left ??) seems to be zeroed on the unvaccinated as it seems easier to ‘punch’ a small minority of unvaccinated people (weaker group in number ??) rather than having GOOD ideas which many seem to have run out of it on how to eradicate CONVIT99 ??

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  • xoxo:

    WP MUST REMEMBER THAT SGS *VOICE OUT* FOR WP CANDIDATES BY NOT VOTING FOR CARROTS LIKE LIFT/HDB UPGRADING previously at HG n AJ n elsewhere.
    These sgs faced the unfair delays in lift/HDB UPGRADING even when the sgs living in these wards are elderly n deserving of getting such upgrading immediately then,

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  • No scapegoat left:

    When 100% forced jabbed, where can they find the next scapegoat?

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  • Well done,Singapore:

    What say Zhong Nanshan?

    He doesn’t belong to any pharmaceutical companies, ya?

    Well done, Singapore:

    Tech: Simple question. Do you have scientific evidence that the vaccine prevents infection or injuries or death? So far it has all been what the pharma said, while independent studies have proven otherwise, ya?

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    Tech: Zhong NEVER said that the mRNA vaccines prevents infection.

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  • Kudos:

    Dr Robert Malone – MRNA Vaccines Explained For Real

    https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1457765200401158149

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  • Well done, Singapore:

    “ by the end of 2012, vaccination rate in the country will reach 80% or more, by that time, we will have better resistance to the virus “

    That was what he said during an interview. What does that means?

    mRNA or deactivated vaccines, though developed using different approaches, they work towards the same objective: to fight the virus!

    Well done,Singapore:
    What say Zhong Nanshan?

    He doesn’t belong to any pharmaceutical companies, ya?

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    Tech: Zhong NEVER said that the mRNA vaccines prevents infection.

    Tech: “Better resistance” is not the same as “prevent infection” or “immunity”.

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  • Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    TRE Techie:
    @Spineless Sinkie Syndrome

    Most Sinkies have a very high threshold for pain, just losing some of their freedoms and maybe even jobs won’t affect them too much. They can become Grab drivers, barbers, collect cardboards, maids in other countries, etc etc.

    Maybe, just maybe when it affects their ability to live, then they will feel excruciating pain.

    By then, it may already been too late.

    Yeah, I know. That’s why I say I’m still eagerly waiting for PAPies to make a law to say JAIL Sinkies who refuse to take (mRNA) jab. LOL.

    I won’t be surprised if PAPies pass a law next month to say all Sinkies can only eat Cat food, and Sinkies with SSS will also still keep silent about it. LOL.

    Most Sinkies will privately NOT obey it of course, but they will also not openly oppose any STUPID law PAPies make lor. So, that’s one way to make PAPies irrelevant. I’m hoping they make even more STUPID laws, that are so stupid that even Sinkies will simply don’t know what to do about it and ignore it. LOL.

    Take for example, last weekend, I went to a shopping mall (even without vaxx. LOL). The security guard ask me to flash app, I BS him show him photo of doctor’s letter on my phone saying I’m medically exempted, then he lazily wave his hand and I walked in. LOL.

    I dare say , after some time, all these stupid rules will die a natural death, as Sinkie also “boh chap” PAPies new and ever changing Covid rules lor. Just like now who bothers about that silly TraceTogether, after the initial hype and excitement? LOL.

    So, Sinkies should not worry so much. Just go about your own life and simply IGNORE PAPies stupid rules… after some time, they will also give up.

    Remember, You own your onw body and mind. No state confers basic human rights to you. You are born aa a free human being (as long as you do not infringe on other human’s rights to life & liberty), and the CHOICE is always YOURS to subscribe to the system or not. Simple deh? LOL.

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  • @Spineless Sinkie Syndrome

    Only an idiot would believe that all the bull of a shit policies slapped on the unvaccinated is to protect them.

    It is clear as crystal that they are trying to push the unvax till they crawl on bended knees begging to be vaccinated so that the LEEders can meet the target of 100% vaccinated.

    For those who cannot tahan the pressure, they lan lan go for teh jab lor and if suay suay they kenna adverse reaction and up the lorry, to the LEEders its just a stat, no big deal one.

    Say before liao, even if 1/2 of the 100,000 unvax die overnight from receiving the vaccine, the LEEders won’t even blink an eye and the major oppos will pretend no see and no hear, until the next GE.

    Sadly, it is simple a case of to each his own, no body will be bothered with somebody’s affairs.

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  • Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    @TRE Techie,

    That’s why I said just mind your own body and health, and don’t bother so much about what the MOH / MTF or become scared of PAPies coming up with new stupid laws lor.

    At the end of the day, and with time, everyone will also “boh chap” them as stupid laws cannot easily be enforced anyway. LOL.

    Those cannot tahan (already 85% or more?) will always be SSS, no matter what we say or do lah… Just let them “be Happy” (like that “We are very Happy” guy or that “PAP Mandate Strong”), while they still have time… after they took the (mRNA) jabs. LOL.

    Pfizer already caught fudging the clinical trials data, so evidence is already clear as day that those who took the Pfizer jab are inadvertent lab rats. LOL.

    https://thelibertyloft.com/2021/11/05/pfizer-faked-trial-data-according-to-british-medical-journal/

    I’m sure the other Big Pharma companies are really not much better…just waiting for another whistle-blower who dares to expose them to come out.

    I said before: those with “Clean Natural Blood” are the CONTROL group in this mass experiment. As long as they stay alive until pandemic over without taking any jab, they will serve as the Scientific PROOF that those (mRNA) jabs were unnecessary and more “risk than benefits”.
    So Stay alive – Its really THAT SIMPLE.

    This is also simply a TEST (of your inner strength).

    This life and body of yours is impermanent anyways. Everyone has to die eventually, with or without Covid lah.

    So, do you want to die in this lifetime WITHOUT having the opportunity to tell yourself you have BEATEN the oppressive system in some small way? LOL.

    When I am old and on my death bed, I will relish the FACT that I did NOT succumb to oppression and stupidity of the system, and that at least even in one small way, I had lived my human life on my own terms.

    Life is about CHOICES. You came here as a human being to learn to make CHOICES based on right principles and learn the lessons of life through it.

    The harder the Choices, the better the Lessons, yes?

    The TEST is really for myself to make a CHOICE to NOT wasted another lifetime NOT learning the correct Lesson that I am created as a Free Being, regardless of what this physical reality throws at you.

    I know I will learn NOTHING, if I merely follow the herd and submit to clearly STUPID inhumane laws and oppressive kakistocracy.

    So, even if I never do great things in life, if I just stick to my principles in this small way, I will at least be able to SMILE without regrets when my time is up and I’m on my own death-bed. LOL.

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  • Dec 8, deadline for unvac:

    Dec8 is the deadlines for the unvac to get vac to escaped paying for covid medical bill. Its give the unvac an incentive to get infected within the deadline. Many of the unvac would gamble and seek to be infected as soon as possible. If nothing wrong congratulation, you naturally immune. If get serious go hospital and get free treatment. If unfortunately, died, it would be counted as civil death. Bravo

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  • Biden Farted @ Loong:

    Spineless Sinkie Syndrome: I dare say , after some time, all these stupid rules will die a natural death, as Sinkie also “boh chap” PAPies new and ever changing Covid rules lor. Just like now who bothers about that silly TraceTogether, after the initial hype and excitement? LOL.

    So, Sinkies should not worry so much. Just go about your own life and simply IGNORE PAPies stupid rules… after some time, they will also give up.

    Remember, You own your onw body and mind. No state confers basic human rights to you. You are born aa a free human being (as long as you do not infringe on other human’s rights to life & liberty), and the CHOICE is always YOURS to subscribe to the system or not. Simple deh? LOL.

    Agree, in fact now discover a lot of places with quality foods instead of the standard malls stuffs. Wait another year and all those whatnot embarrass doors puppies (ambassadors) and ‘ngeow’ food owners get covid fatigue or ‘bankrupt’ then all the ‘Rolls Royce’ class like you and me still enjoy foods cook by chefs and serve by maids. lol.

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  • Biden Farted @ Loong:

    Dec 8, deadline for unvac:
    Dec8 is the deadlines for the unvac to get vac to escaped paying for covid medical bill. Its give the unvac an incentive to get infected within the deadline. Many of the unvac would gamble and seek to be infected as soon as possible. If nothing wrong congratulation, you naturally immune. If get serious go hospital and get free treatment. If unfortunately, died, it would be counted as civil death. Bravo

    People like YOU don’t die from COVID likely accidents or cancer.

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  • Well done Singapore!:

    Well done, Singapore!:
    People have been given amble opportunity to get the jabs.

    No sympathy for those who wilfully go unvaccinated!

    Just like the way the ghamen dealing with the problem.

    Well done, Sinkiland ghamen!
    Tech: Pray tell, why should anyone take the experimental untested vaccines? Convince me, please.

    Scared to die? No sympathy to you if you die a horrible death not from COVID of course!!

    Tech: With or without the vaccine, everyone still dies. With the vaccine, one more chance to die from an adverse reaction.

    So you must be vaccinated, so proud so how lian right? Sure, go ahead be happy while you can because by next year, your OFFICIAL status will be unvaccinated and then it will be boosters after boosters after boosters for the rest of your life. Excited at the prospect? You should be!

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  • oxygen:

    @ Well done, Singapore

    NOT SURE WHICH ONE DESCRIBE your post comment below – buffoonery at its best and idiotic poisoned chalice meant for the gullible idiots at your baiting.

    Well done, Singapore: All vaccines have gone through stringent clinical trials, they are no longer “experimental “!

    “Experimental vaccines “ is a term used by vaccines sceptics.

    They use it because they did not do their due diligence.

    As a result of their propaganda on the internet, negative impact on the fight against the virus ensured and delayed the arrival of the new normal!

    When does experimentation begins or ends? The vaccines in “emergency use only” grant by definition is EXPERIMENTAL of no conclusion of its safe outcome in trials which is on-going.

    And political cows wants to forcibly coerce its non-acceptance into slave-like bondage submission of forced medication consumption/use.

    You haven’t thought of the legal and medical implications forward of this tyrannical oppression consequences for all.

    Do you want to sign consent for any part of your organs by any health authority against your will so that the doctor/hospital makes money at the expense of your wealth and health erosion?

    JUST REMEMBER THESE

    - sperms and eggs are property rights of its owners in In Vitro Fertilisation procedures, do you want a mix up of this happening to you or your family with no consequences of the offending party done with immunity of law ring-fencing?

    - likewise if you are the dead corpse in a hospital mortuary, do you want a psycho case to rape you whilst you supposedly “rest in peace” also with law immunity of the offender?

    Both can happen to you or your family member, if living cells and physical bodies have NO PROPERTY RIGHTS of choices its rightful owners.

    That is to say in mortality and health choices, YOU ARE STRIPPED NAKED OF CHOICE AND LAW PROTECTION – alive or dead.

    Even strayed doggies or cats and pythons in the wild has law protection of prevention of animal cruelty from supposedly civilised humans.

    WHAT IS LEFT OF YOU?

    IDIOT!!

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  • oxygen:

    @ Well done, Singapore.

    Property rights in healthcare law embedded is SACROSANCT from conception to the graveyard – UNTOUCHABLE to those party/parties without that property rights vested at common law.

    TAKE A LOOK AT HOW MUCH PAIN have been inflicted on NOT ONE but two families in IVF mix-up and the two to-be-abandoned kids surviving a traumatic life experience of abandonment of love and care of their (missing) biological parents.

    Couple give birth to wrong baby after ‘traumatic’ IVF mixup

    https://au.yahoo.com/news/couple-give-birth-to-wrong-baby-after-traumatic-ivf-mix-up-110355024.html

    Once you allow political cows to meddle with property rights in healthcare law – the boundaries of human lives manipulation is boundless.

    CAN YOU GUARANTEE THAT THOSE WITH TRIPLE JABS (including booster third, and any other that come thereafter as well I might add) won’t be infected by breakthrough infections undetected to become wilful, careless even rogue silent spreaders?

    Or is it going to be never mind they too end up in ICU or add to mortality statistics thereafter – AND ALL THESE PAID FOR BY TAX of the unvaccinated? Such events to be concealed by selective misinformation from officialdom (later) because it is politically sensitive of truthful revelation?

    Vaccine apartheid is, IMHO, plain barbaric hooliganism in modesty – worst still, potentially mortality determination of the life-expectancy of the living subjects when the full consequences of vaccine injury is totally unknown to all parties.

    Suicide in law is crime, how come medical “murder” is not in any country?

    I am NOT an anti-vaxxer but feel sympathetic to those divided, to be persecuted of their freedom of space and living enjoyment, just waiting to be enforced of medical assassination thereafter. Those who refused vaccine have their compelling reason/s WHEN THE VACCINES IN USE NOW ALL FAILS of promised benefits.

    Do you want to bring a new life to this world (from pregnancy) that could be as short as a few years from vaccine injury damage of brutally-enforced vaccination of useless but harmful experimental concoctions?

    You get to live your life in relative freedom and protection till now or unless of your own freewill of vaccination choices made, WHY IS THE UNBORNT INCAPABLE OF SELF-DETERMINATION YET, NOT ENTITLED TO THE SAME PROPERTY RIGHT of his/her body as a new life ONLY CRUELLY DECIMATED to be determined solely by YOU and the likes of political thuggery?

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  • oxygen:

    @ Well done, Singapore.

    YOUR MORBID THOUGHTS leave an uncharitable impression of your mind construct on this subject-matter.

    Well done Singapore!: Scared to die? No sympathy to you if you die a horrible death not from COVID of course!!

    Someone else with equally macabre mindset could respond like this – “hope the next time you walk across a traffic light junction, an drunkard bus driver runs you over, and following behind that, an environment rubbish truck picks up your remains and take it to the Tuas incinerator. Doctors will agree that your ashes make top-grade fertiliser making the excited farmers in Choa Chu Kang all jumping in uncontrollable joy – all of them que-ing up, eager to buy some.”

    BOTTOMLINE is this – your hostility against the unvaccinated is totally irrational whilst advocating the forced innoculation of dangerous experimental concoctions on the reasoned unwilling or simply unwilling.

    NO NEED TO FORCE YOUR CHOICE ON THEM. They do NOT impede your choice or right of choice. Their tax paid for your vaccine!

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  • xoxo:

    Voluntary unvax Citizens will have to bear own costs of treatment as a punitive deterrent as it *STRAINS THE HEALTHCARE SUSYEM* is being offered as REASON BY THE MTF?

    LET US BE REASONABLE N HONEST HERE!
    BEFORE COVID,BEFORE VAX REGIMENT,MANY BONA FIDE WHO FELL ILL WERE ALREADY SHOUTING ALIUD TO THE PAP GOVT ABOUT HOSPITAL BED CRUNCH,was it not the case?!!
    The RECKLESS DUMPING OF ALIEN$ HERE HAS CAUSED OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM SERIOUS STRAIN WAY BEFORE COVID N THATS WHY THE G RUSHED TO BUILD MORE hospitals like KTP,NTF N SK general hospitals,ya?

    Lets not conveniently push blames onto sgs just to cover own ERRANT N ERRATIC CONDUCT OF GOVERNANCE N PUBLIC POLICY-MAKING.

    IT IS A SHAME FOR A GOVT WHICH CONSIDER ITSELF SO *ATAS* N SO PAY THEMSELVES MORE THAN BIDEN N XJP TO CHURN OUR ALL SORTS OF LAME EXCUSES FOR THEIR INADEQUACIES.

    OUK,YOU ARE TRULY UNFIT FOR MINISTERIAL OFFICE,I SUGGEST YOU GO BACK TO BECOME A PPS AS YOU LOVE LICKING BOOTS.

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  • Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    Well done, Singapore:
    All vaccines have gone through stringent clinical trials, they are no longer “experimental “!

    “Experimental vaccines “ is a term used by vaccines sceptics.

    They use it because they did not do their due diligence.

    As a result of their propaganda on the internet, negative impact on the fight against the virus ensured and delayed the arrival of the new normal!

    To: Well Done Singapore!

    Here’s the link from US NIH (National Institute of Health) stating that whistleblower has the evidence that Pfizer has FAKED their clinical trial data. Do your due diligence yourself. LOL.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34728500/

    There’s also a link there to the full text at the British Medical Journal.

    So, you still think they have “stringent clinical trials”? LOL.

    I’m not “anti-vaccine” because I took BCG and other vaccines before, but Yes, I’m an “EXPERIMENTAL drug skeptic” as EVERYONE should be.
    Your blame game is not working leh. Try harder. LOL.

    “New Normal” is your ProPAPganda. There is no such thing as “New Normal”.

    Viruses have been around for Billions of years, before there was even human beings on this planet. Don’t try to think you are very special lah.

    After just a couple of decades, your body will be just ashes or dust blown by the wind. LOL.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Spineless Sinkie Syndrome

    HERE IS SOME SCARY CLINICAL TEST FEEDBACK from UK which @ Well Done Singapore! won’t like to read and come back to debate.

    The test sample size is MONSTER HUGE in numbers giving strong compelling evidence of its likely reliability of robust findings which is science-based, not political hijacking of any hidden sinister agenda.

    Its dataset encompassing 17 million vaccinated people and 7 million unvaccinated people.

    Spineless Sinkie Syndrome: To: Well Done Singapore!

    Here’s the link from US NIH (National Institute of Health) stating that whistleblower has the evidence that Pfizer has FAKED their clinical trial data. Do your due diligence yourself. LOL.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34728500/

    There’s also a link there to the full text at the British Medical Journal.

    So, you still think they have “stringent clinical trials”? LOL.

    I’m not “anti-vaccine” because I took BCG and other vaccines before, but Yes, I’m an “EXPERIMENTAL drug skeptic” as EVERYONE should be.
    Your blame game is not working leh. Try harder. LOL.

    “New Normal” is your ProPAPganda. There is no such thing as “New Normal”.

    And this is some of the most disturbing findings/conclusions reached – I shall quote the relevant caption of highlights.

    UK Office for National Statistics :So the vaccinated are 1.8 times as likely to die of any cause as compared to the unvaccinated in the UK. And this is an extremely robust dataset because it is so giant, encompassing 17 million vaccinated people and 7 million unvaccinated people….

    This is very clear-cut scientific evidence that the vaccine is resulting in a 1.8x increase in rate of death. It also shows those who got a second dose were also more likely to die than those who got only one. This needs more attention!

    Covid-vaccinated death rate is 1.8x the unvaccinated death rate in Sept 2021 — UK Office for National Statistics

    https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/covid-vaccinated-death-rate-is-1-8x-the-unvaccinated-death-rate-in-sept-2021-uk-office-for-national-statistics/

    If the statistical information is as reliable of UK Govt record source, it means the “booster” jabs are unnecessary and risking of aggravated damage and mortality risks forward – this statistical evidence will come only AFTER THE FACT OF MORTALITY ENDING happening to come.

    THE SIMPLE CONCLUSION MUST BE THIS – THE MORE JABS ONE GETS, the less defence and protection one will receive of durable benefits promised by political cows.

    The opposite will in fact happens and of then later cover-up in silence and archive of statistical record and rubbish talk of “New Normal”!

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  • Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    @oxygen, yes agree. Data speaks volumes instead of the nonsensical rhetoric & “ProPAPganda” of people like that “Well Done Singapore!”.I think he meant “Sinkiepore is really “Well Done” as in his beef kenna cooked until “Well Done”, yeah? LOL.

    If that were so, I would also agree with him that Sinkiepore “meat patties” are already at 85% “Well Done!” stage.
    Too late liao since 85% jabbed and their bodies “cooked” already. LOL.

    Additionally, its a well known FACT that traditional (and proper) vaccine approval processes from invention, in-simula / in vitro / in vivo, animal & human trials, peer review of studies, long-term follow-up of trial subjects etc. takes DECADES, not months/weeks – like how the EUA (Emergency Use Authorisation) allows for current mRNA technology to be injected into humans.
    Yet, STUPID PAPies lapdogs still claim its not “Experimental” or that its “safe”. LOL.

    Thats why I NEVER trust those NEW jabs or even the NEW Pills from Pfizer or Merck, that once again claims 90+% “efficacy”, but obviously does NOT have DATA on long-term side effects. Compare this to say Ivermection which already has 40 (FORTY) years of track record of very low incidences of side effects over 3.7 Billion doses given worldwide including many of them to children.)

    Even, if we grant them the benefit of doubt, that medical science has advanced significantly more than say just before 2019, there is still NO WAY they can have DATA on the LONG-TERM side effects or none thereof, of these EXPERIMENTAL MASS injections into humans. Its just basic common sense. LOL.

    Anyway, lets give that “Well Done Singapore!” a chance to respond to our comments with similar rigorous Scientific sources and NOT just quote from MSM News headlines with no DATA to backup.

    I’ll bet he has none, so he can only speak in generalities and appeal to Sinkies herd mentality such as “Oh! So many millions of idiots have blindly taken the EXPERIMENTAL jabs, so it must be safe, yeah?” LOL.

    Footnote: More and more cases of side-effects now showing up WORLDWIDE.
    From many otherwise young & healthy athletes who SUDDENLY have heart attacks or children having damage to various organs weeks/months after these mRNA jabs. These cases are glaring because they cannot be explained away as being due to “underlying medical conditions” like how Sinkiepore MSM likes to use this phrase, yeah? LOL.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Spineless Sinkie Syndrome

    THE IMPLICIT ASSUMPTION of the unvaccinated is rogue spreader of pandemic infection is nakedly flawed of truths.

    If otherwise, no one political cow comes forward to explain the contradictory evidence prevailing – past global mass saturation of vaccination, INFECTION AND MORTALITY ESCALATED IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION of vaccine’s professed/false presumption of promised reduction of both outcomes.

    NO AMOUNT OF HYSTERICAL RHETORIC can refute this staggering facts. The UK statistics in my quote above reveals how much vaccine-injury deaths outside hospitalisation, got buried unreported or misinformed of public information as due being due to existing cormobidities (which political cows never bother to explain why these fatalities didn’t eventuate 10 secs whilst sitting on the vax chair, a day, a week, or a month before actual vaccination takes place).

    It is almost contemptuous of behavior in the lying cows. And now evidence is slowly emerging of GREATER RISKS OF DAMAGE AND ADVERSE MORTALITY OUTCOME among the vaccinated compared to unvaccinated (but which political cows cynically now obscured this CONTRASTING comparing information from public read because of its obvious political implication)

    The vaccine and political cows cannot be seen as failing or dishonest of claims or both. To cover their a*ses of lies, add more layers of lies and strip away the damning evidence of truth HOWEVER OBVIOUS of such rogue mischief of accountability refutation.

    As I sees it, the more the vaccination, THE MORE THE INFECTION AND MORTALITY ESCALATION, and the more death to come these ill-winds AFTER VACCINATION on top of buried concealment of side-effects and deaths of post vaccination injuries outside the hospitalization notation and statistical DENIAL AND OBSCURE CONCEALMENT.

    On the opposite side – in blunt truth – a lot of the unvaccinated remains free of infection either because of natural immunity or acquired immunity from mild infection hit.

    Here is some staggering evidence, not rhetoric explained by science.

    Study explains why some people test negative for Covid even though everyone around them is infected

    https://sg.yahoo.com/news/study-explains-why-people-test-092930217.html

    THEY DON’T NEED TO BE VACCINATED.

    Spineless Sinkie Syndrome: Anyway, lets give that “Well Done Singapore!” a chance to respond to our comments with similar rigorous Scientific sources and NOT just quote from MSM News headlines with no DATA to backup.

    NOBODY AMONG THE STUPID POLITICAL COWS asks the obvious question – if the unvaccinated are a public health risks of walking pathogen, how come 99% of them haven’t ALREADY gone to TERN SUA to be in PERMANENT VACATION with their ancestors until now?

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