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China has the most democratic government in the world

I consider the People’s Republic of China to be the most democratic government in the world.

First, we have to understand what is a democratic government. It is a government “by the people, for the people”.

The government must be freely elected by the people and must work for the well being of the people. I consider this to be the true test of democracy.

Most western countries did not produce this outcome. Their system benefits the wealthy elite, and the ordinary people suffer a drop in their living standards. This has happened in recent decades.

These countries allows the people to change the government more regularly, but the frequent changes do not produce the structural changes that improves the lives of the people.

In contrast, the PRC government was able to bring over 400 million people out of poverty and improve the living standards for the people at large.

Let me elaborate on the following important features of the PRC system of government.

1. The people vote freely and democratically to elect their deputy in the local people’s congress. The elected deputies vote for their leaders at the higher levels, i.e. the provincial and the national government. China adopts this multi tier system because it has a large population.

2. Their national policies goes through consultations at various stages. They get the experts and academics to study the issue and present their recommendations. These are evaluated by their policy making committee and a draft law is presented. Feedback is obtained on these laws from the relevant people and are further discussed. The final draft law is presented to the National People’s Congress for adoption. When it reached this level, the draft had already been actively discussed and agreed at the lower levels.

3. Any citizens that is unjustly affected by the actions of the authority can submit their grievance to a proper channel. The grievance will be addressed at the local level. If it cannot be resolved, and the issue affects many people, it will be taken up at the higher level. This system worked quite well and produced a satisfactory outcome.

In international surveys of trust in government, the PRC government obtained the approval of over 90% of the people. This is the highest approval rating of any government in the world.

I consider the PRC government to be the most democratic in the world as it is freely elected by the people and receives the highest approval rating of the people.

 

Tan Kin Lian

 

 

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169 Responses to “China has the most democratic government in the world”

  • The apalling naivete of TKL:

    Sir, you sound like a cantankerous candidate brazenly campaigning for his honors thesis at a lousy school – what humanities certificates have you garnered so far pray tell us?

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  • Dr. Chan:

    @Tan Kin Lian

    You should emigrate to PRC. North Korea also can. CCP and Kim Jong Un sure will welcome you and your family.
    Finally, you confess and admit you are a Commie/Marxist. LKY/PAP has been hunting and persecuting Commies.
    Therefore, PAP, please go after TKL (He publicly confessed to be Commie). Lock him up. Don’t wait any longer.

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  • Harder Truths:

    F**k this.

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    https://www.orientaldaily.com.my/news/nation/2021/11/21/451274
    新冠肺炎】未接种者染疫死亡率 比完成接种者高14.5倍

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  • xoxo:

    Sorry,cannot agree.
    Singapore is the most demoCRAPtic!
    We have POFMA,FICA N TUA LAMPAR coming our way !

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  • Naive Tan:

    Fyi Mr Naive Tan, North Korea has voting too and their government has 100% approval rate by the people.

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  • He speaks thru his arse:

    Now you understand why TKL couldn’t even retain his deposit.

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    “Most democratic gov in the world” yet doesn’t respect the international rulings on the SCS. TKL is certainly smoking shit nowadays.

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  • oxygen:

    @ TKL, you are slapping your butt “wisdom” yet again. I have got a suggestion for you, pull down your pants and slap harder for better decibel impact.

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  • Delina Arumugam:

    Mr Lian s/o Tan speaks his mind which is strongly backed up by logical reasoning.

    Take a seat, relax and look at those who lack the same capability to behave like clown laughing at him.

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  • oxygen:

    @ TKL, have to admire you on ONE SCORE – your strong heart must be VERY YOUNG. YOU seems to be most active here in TRE, dancing in rotation from your whispering “wisdom” in Covid-19 crisis management to democracy worship of China in seemingly circular endless repeated rotation.

    Is dancing one of your favorite hobbies, besides investment advising? Why am I constantly reminded of your famous Hong Lim Park Hyflux U-tube presentation?

    Please forgive those who are less sanguine in their admiration of your shining “wisdom”. It really shines through like a mid-day sunlight piercing through a glass-roof garden.

    XiJinping can’t wait for your call and welcome to visit your rose-tinted garden of China’s beauty.

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  • MarBowling:

    “Any citizens that is unjustly affected by the actions of the authority can submit their grievance to a proper channel(any of our World Class Minister and by extension our ParLeeMent?) . The grievance will be addressed at the local level(MPS aka Meet-the-People Session). If it cannot be resolved, and the issue affects many people, it will be taken up at the higher level(MP, World Class Minister and by extension the ParLeeMent aka the PeeM). This system worked quite well and produced a satisfactory outcome”.

    Response: this ONLY sound SIMILAR AND FAMILIAR to what is practicing and happening in SinKapore, a Democratic Cuntry NOT invited by Sleepy Joe’s Democracy Summit on 9-10 December 2021!

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  • Simple lah:

    Just count money given to people, and compare it with eg the median income, or compare with the politician pay.

    China gives the poor lots of welfare, including new houses at just a few thousand dollars.

    In an unmentionable lemocracy, politicians who take in million-dollar salaries from taxpayers give out $2 vouchers to the poor. This is worse than 3rd-world.

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  • shit happens:

    How did he become CEO of NTUC Income?

    No wonder PAPPY is sinking so fast… we have such quality.

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  • illiterate pap voters:

    In many ways, tan kin lian is right.

    Let us just talk about 3 ways.

    1, look at how the CCCP is handling covid and how pap is handling covid. without a doubt, the CCCP is doing it far better than pap.

    2, look at social progress. In the 1980s, most in China were on bicycles and mao suits whereas most cotton sheep then, in pap island, were relatively well off. Fast forward to 2021, hahaha. Look at the relative poverty of cotton sheep now. Reason for the relative decline is due to the money faced S$m ownself justify ownself pap folks cotton sheep has voted into power.

    3, look at science and technology. Despite so called world ranking Us in pap island, many cotton sheep becomes jobless before 40 years old whose jobs need to be taken over by faked degreed ceca ah nehs. The CCCP in the mean time has gone to the moon and now going to Mars.

    many pap PA paid IBs in TRE try to BS about the many poor in the CCCP. hahaha. good try. In the short years from 1980 to 2021, relative progress in the CCCP is clear as day in contrast to the decline of quality of life of cotton sheep in pap island.

    many say if the CCCP is so good migrate there lah. hahaha. Not so simple. If only the CCCP opens legs like pap does, for sure we would have a few houses in China, one in Zhuhai, one in Chengdu, and a few more in Changsha, Dalian, etc.

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  • Dr Tan Tai Wei:

    “…vote freely and democratically their deputy”? Free contest there? Or are candidates party members, etc.,etc. only? And so, also, the candidates approved for higher level leadership votings all the way up? And who voted Xi to be leader “for life”? Is such conceptually “democratic”?

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  • Robert:

    Good thing this idiot is not our president.

    There is a saying:

    “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt”

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  • Online Singaporean:

    TKL:

    While no one begrudge u for exercising your freedom of expressions, no one can do anytg to u for speaking as freely as u like.

    However there are issues to take note if u are not conceited, if u are not egoistic, if u are not living in a cave and feeding on monkey’s breast milk.

    There is such thing as community respect, community sensitivities, and most important of all to gain and earn respect of others besides respecting yourself.

    While TRE allows u the ‘space’ of writing and server bytes to accommodate your nonsenses, do have the courtesy to consider there are many courtesies one need to bestow and afford – primarily like above, the respect u ought to give to others and give to TRE.

    By ‘spewing nonsenses’ u don’t realise U ARE SIMPLY INSULTING OTHERS while glorifying own ego, and your egoistic wisdom as though telling others your viewpoints are better than others (which obviously u will deny openly, besides telling others they are not forced to read your articles).

    U did learnt in school – empty vessels makes the mostest noises.

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  • Pap has the mandate:

    The CCCP voted themselves into power, there is no election held and the ppl who is against them will disappear overnight.

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  • Meng Weng:

    China is the most democratic!!!!!
    Have you heard of Meng WanZhou {CFO of Hwa Wei) case with Canada? China held 2 journalist captive for X years in exchange for her release, you call that democratic?

    Can’t believe this naive Tan is a politician, Talk COCK without going to his PEA brain, HAHAHAHA
    No wonder what NTUC is today a company instead of a trade union suppose to be fighting for the workers.

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  • John Doe:

    He speaks thru his a$$e:
    Now you understand why TKL couldn’t even retain his deposit.

    I believe he knew in advance the deposit was a small change, was meant to donate to… thus it’s ok to throw away when anyone of sound mind would certainly knows Dr Tony Tan or Tan CBock would win.

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  • Born Yesterday:

    HiFive TKL–were you born yesterday?
    ”Election symbol for Tan Kin Lian: Hi-5”
    For a guy that chose HiFive as his election symbol, and now this…..the new court jester is in town.

    Naive Tan:
    Fyi Mr Naive Tan, North Korea has voting too and their government has 100% approval rate by the people.

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  • Dbs sucks:

    Tkl you forgot the meaning of democratic, it means free to choose, by choice. If the other party does well they deserve to be in power. Western countries have too much politics when it comes to voting. China is getting rather aggressive and have state own media to brain wash citizens. That’s not the free world is about. You know how to take care doesn’t mean the country is democratic.

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  • bernard:

    what an idiot!!!!!

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  • kannan:

    TKL is more sensible than many clowns here.

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  • xoxo:

    Actually,despite ,and,in spite of,being the abhorred COMMIES by the so-called FREE WORLD ,PROC’s govt takes care of their PEOPLE unlike in DEMOCRATIC countries likr Sg where the govt screw the PEOple to benefit their PAPple and some complete OUT$iders they adopted as FTs?

    If sgs say something like a small lie,they get heavily penalised but PAP’s fave FTs can FAKE DEGREES with ease and still escape punitive measures.
    The PAP gahmen can even make attempts to COVER UP their FTs’ wrongdoings but saying IT IS SKILL SETS that count???

    I have no respect for such a shameful n lame govt.
    I wonder when they realise how pathetic they are.
    But,their PINK LEEder oredy say THEY ARE NOW SO THICK-$kinned n so they dont care?

    Then,who care?
    You,me or the 61 pct DAFT ?

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    Most democratic most 堂堂正正,why ban this father’s ( who’s all along nationalistic patriotism ) weibo.

    儿子跳楼自杀 社会主义铁拳砸中中国粉红大V
    https://news.creaders.net/china/2021/11/25/2423442.html

    Muz be Karma.

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  • PAP the Predator:

    kannan:
    TKL is more sensible than many clowns here.

    Agree. U are correct – when it depends what is sensibility and who are the clowns u refer to. Interpretation of facts correctly is not everyone’s entitlement.

    Clowns are not sub par humans – they are merely jesters earning for a living, which is why u see only in circuses usually, not within TRE, unless your eyesight is faulty.

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  • Waste of time:

    Delina Arumugam:
    Mr Lian s/o Tan speaks his mind which is strongly backed up by logical reasoning.

    Take a seat, relax and look at those who lack the same capability to behave like clown laughing at him.

    Putin said, it takes one to talk about another.

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  • Ahpekselingong!:

    Singapore leadership refused to be invited as the ghamen does not want to take side!

    Our leadership is one of the best in the world!

    MarBowling:

    Response: this ONLY sound SIMILAR AND FAMILIAR to what is practicing and happening in SinKapore, a Democratic Cuntry NOT invited by Sleepy Joe’s Democracy Summit on 9-10 December 2021!

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  • Aduhai Ah Lian... listen up:

    In post-modern technological societies that have emerged after the Cold War only two current “leaders” have pretensions to charismatic absolutism:

    Emperor Lee of the fiacking little crony-capitalist state &&&
    Emperor Xi of the freaking gigantic commie-capitalist state.

    Ya lah, even if you’re tyrants you still need some effective measure of people representation to push the technologies through for your ownself & cronies incorporated what… otherwise chiak sai ah….

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  • nansha:

    ha ha, TKL is using TRE website for free to do his very early campaigning for the next GE. I hope he has made some donations to TRE. ha ha

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  • Watcher:

    TKL, ignore all those bad mouthing you here.
    Doesn’t matter how China elects its leader, a country 280 times the population of SG.
    The political system eraticated extreme poverty for its people… 770m since 1970
    Xi has high approval rating. I visited China 100 days a year, and people are proud of the CPC.
    Many haters here call the Chinese names and worship the American democracy, prefering to believe in its hypocrisy and lies, and accept the bullying.
    SG is so backwards in so many areas, and yet think they are so advanced… still living in a well.
    The Chinese can give the Americans the middle finger, can SG do that?

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  • PM Lee talking cock:

    Straits Times: Tough laws, death penalty pivotal in keeping number of drug abusers low: PM Lee

    PM Lee’s claim that the death penalty keeps the number of drug abusers low is an ASSUMPTION. This could be just like another PAP assumption – “foreigners create jobs for Singaporeans”. But it does not explain why thousands of Singaporean PMET lost their job to foreigners after a massive influx of foreigners was allowed. Many wound up doping low-paying transactional jobs.

    If Singapore abolishes the death penalty for drug offenses it is possible there will be no significant impact on the number of drug abusers. Malaysia has suspended the death penalty. Has it resulted in a significant increase in the number of drug abusers?

    Also, the Government must state the MINIMUM “mental age” of a person before he can be executed. Those who are “borderline” should be spared the death penalty. It is ludicrous to claim the convicted person was given due process and/or that he/she “fully understood” his crime when the person has an intellectual handicap – very low IQ.

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  • Raeesah Khan is a LIAR:

    Straits Times: 3 key areas Raeesah Khan’s testimony differs from Workers’ Party chief Pritam Singh’s account

    One thing that must be kept in mind is that Raeesah Khan admitted she is a liar. She started this saga by lying to Parliament. She also lied during the campaigning for the last GE and was reprimanded by the police.

    Why should anybody believe what Raeesah Khan says? She appears to be A SERIAL LIAR.

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  • Homeless Cat:

    I am torn between pity and amusement. TKL really is rather taken by the lie and the illusion.

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  • Court Jester TKL:

    @Raeesah Khan is a LIAR:
    Do not let the RunningDog State Media control the agenda.
    Raesah admitted to a serious lie in Parly; paid the ultimate price of being kicked out of Party, Parly.
    Rightly so.
    Let that be the end of it.
    RunningDog State Media will want to use this to attack WP.
    Soon…we all become like HiFive Tan—brainwashed thoroughly by State-Controlled media.
    TKL–how does it feel losing your deposit in PE?
    Politics is way above your intellect!; not that it need much.
    ”yesterday, presidential candidate Tan Kin Lian, 63, ended up losing money. He forfeited $48,000 – the deposit each of the four hopefuls
    https://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne+News/Singapore/Story/A1Story20110829-296811.html

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  • Fire:

    ” Living with PapPigs ”

    ” Worst than Covid ”

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  • Bad Boy:

    Too hard sell !

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  • Hard:

    Rubbish. There was never any vote for Xi to be a leader for life.

    Dr Tan Tai Wei:
    “…vote freely and democratically their deputy”? Free contest there? Or are candidates party members, etc.,etc. only? And so, also, the candidates approved for higher level leadership votings all the way up? And who voted Xi to be leader “for life”? Is such conceptually “democratic”?

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  • @Hard

    You are wrong. Unlike the PM who is selected, Xi had to go through 2 levels of voting before he can be a leader for life.

    The first being the politburo and then the National People’s Congress (NPC).

    Unlike Sinkieland where the PM is the supreme leader making all the decisions, technically, Xi is not the highest decision-maker, the politburo is the highest decision-making body in the country. For ease of understanding, you may think of Xi as the Executive President in a listed company while the members of the politburo are the shareholders/board of directors (Xi being one of the 7).

    Deputies in the NPC are elected at Provincial and City level, mostly by members of the CPC.

    Like the PA, the CPC has about 90 million members from all walks of life, mostly civil servants.

    http://www.chinatoday.com.cn/english/spc/2017-03/01/content_747674.htm

    In fact, most of the higher appointments are elected through a vote, the difference only being whether it’s an internal closed vote or open vote.

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  • Hard:

    Xi was voted for another term. There was no voting for “leader for life”. Bo tio?

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  • @hard

    You are not wrong. The leader for life meant that the constitution was changed so that ANY leader could remain as Chief Secretary for as long as he/she is voted as one.

    The voting I referred to by the NPC was for the change to the constitution during Xi’s leadership.

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  • Hard:

    Thank you. Those anti-China people get completely bonkers about something that is part of many Western democratic countries. Germany Angela Merkel was there for 16 years. UK’s Margaret Thatcher was there for 3 terms. Canada first Trudeau was there for many terms. Singapore is well known. Only seat warmers stay for 2 terms.

    Not only they go bonkers, they spread lies that Xi is now leader for life.

    TRE Tech:
    @hard

    You are not wrong. The leader for life meant that the constitution was changed so that ANY leader could remain as Chief Secretary for as long as he/she is voted as one.

    The voting I referred to by the NPC was for the change to the constitution during Xi’s leadership.

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  • @Hard

    You are not wrong again. Xi is NOT the leader for life as some thought he is. He still has terms but he can remain a leader for multiple terms, IF the Politburo and the National People’s Congress (NPC) want him to.

    The original constitution places a limit on the Chief Secretary to serve only 2 terms, but that limit has been removed by the NPC via a huge majority vote.

    Remember that the Board of Directors (BOD) in a listed company has powers over the Executive President (EP), but not vice versa. The EP cannot sack the BOD, but the BOD can remove the EP. So IMHO, the system is much more fairer compared to Sinkieland where the EP is selected and wields absolute power.

    I stand corrected on the Sinkie part.

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  • nansha:

    I am proud to be a Chinese and to call China my Motherland. I have thousands of years of Chinese civilization. If I am not a Chinese, what am I? A rojak? An American puppet or worse, a puppy?

    Whether we fully agree with the government of the day i.e. the CCP is another question

    But look at China today….far ahead of Spore, gone to the Moon, to the depths of the ocean, reversing the desert, eradicated poverty, spanking cities that number by the hundreds.

    Look at Spore..stagnating and even declining. Look at our talent from sports, to whatever field of endeavour.

    I was in China from mid-1990s. Back then the university students had thick English-Chinese dictionaries and even bi-lingual technical dictionaries They labored to digest Western knowledge. Today, they have flooded USA, so many papers carrie names of Chinese researchers. Today may put Singaporeans to shame with their command of English. They put in the effort and advanced.

    Look at Spore…what have we really produced despite all the money poured in to various science parks? Sorry, you cannot have ingenuity when you exercise so much control, meting out jail terms for even small offences. Using POFMA to slam those who wants to challenge the dogmas. You use Laws to silence the brains and you expect to advance?

    I will invest in China, travel in China, live in China. It is my Motherland.

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  • Kim Pa Pa:

    Walan

    Try to impose totalitarianism in the name of democracy?

    Much worst than Kim of North Korea!

    Online Singaporean:
    TKL:

    While no one begrudge u for exercising your freedom of expressions, no one can do anytg to u for speaking as freely as u like.

    However there are issues to take note if u are not conceited, if u are not egoistic, if u are not living in a cave and feeding on monkey’s breast milk.

    There is such thing as community respect, community sensitivities, and most important of all to gain and earn respect of others besides respecting yourself.

    While TRE allows u the ‘space’ of writing and server bytes to accommodate your nonsenses, do have the courtesy to consider there are many courtesies one need to bestow and afford – primarily like above, the respect u ought to give to others and give to TRE.

    By ‘spewing nonsenses’ u don’t realise U ARE SIMPLY INSULTING OTHERS while glorifying own ego, and your egoistic wisdom as though telling others your viewpoints are better than others (which obviously u will deny openly, besides telling others they are not forced to read your articles).

    U did learnt in school – empty vessels makes the mostest noises.

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  • John Doe:

    Meng Weng:
    China is the most democratic!!!!!
    Have you heard of Meng WanZhou {CFO of Hwa Wei) case with Canada? China held 2 journalist captive for X years in exchange for her release, you call that democratic?

    Can’t believe this naive Tan is a politician, Talk COCK without going to his PEA brain, HAHAHAHA
    No wonder what NTUC is today a company instead of a trade union suppose to be fighting for the workers.

    Here we have an ex CEO. REALLY? Formerly a CEO, Chief Egg Organza!

    We can add some more, PRC ‘trade war’ attack on Australia, PRC adventures in SC Sea.. Let the CEO add more himself bro.

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  • James Lye:

    If that is so how come China wasn’t invited to the Democracy Summit?

    More than a 100 countries have been invited except for a few countries like PAP Singapore, Vietnam, Myanmar, Thailand and others.

    So far after two weeks, MFA, always so swift to rebut, has kept quiet.

    LHL is checkmate. He doesn’t know how to rebut this time.

    All this to build a democratic society in our National Pledge is pure BS isn’t it?

    After 50 years, where’s the democratic society?

    But after a few months repressive laws like POFMA can be established very swiftly.

    That’s why PAP cannot be trusted.

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  • oxygen:

    I THOUGHT BEFORE BO XILAI WAS PUNISHED for crimes (his wife abetting), he was sacked from the communist party and the politburo. Membership to a “corrupt mafia” (aka) CCP is PERMANENT protection – until that protection is revoked in disgraceful exposed circumstances?

    Once inside the CCP, the goodies boys and girls all turned rogue because they are protected from the top. Why wouldn’t the grassroot political cadres at district/provincial level foster and abet even fortify escalating corruption of power abuse and money grab to their own benefit of protecting their own political and corrupt money turf?

    It is a bit like a dumb dot (red in color as Indonesia says) near the equator where humonguous pay is pretended as a shield “against corruption” logic. Like maggots to rotting carcasses, it will feast on to incompetent collapse.

    And look at how CCP going against Chinese tech sector, WHO IS PUTTING MONEY THERE WHERE RISKS IS INCALCULABLE OF POLITICAL STRANGULATION AND RISKS OF ASSET FORFEITURE if I open my mouth against XJP and his mob obediently supporting behind called CCP?

    MEMBERSHIP TO CCP IS BY INVITATION ONLY, so I gathered from Chinese peasants.

    it is SO BLATANTLY OPEN of dictatorship power applications. Without the corruption at the grassroot level feeding on peasantry’s wealth and preferential allocation thereafter, the entire machinery of the CCP would have long collapsed!

    I will bet my money in South America or even Africa, but not in China or India or Russia. Bad experiences in all instances.

    Not me for this corrupt very democratic Ah Tiong Land!

    Tech: Just 2 points to clarify. 1. Membership to CCP is NOT by invitation only, anyone without a criminal record in the family can apply to join. 2. Those in the Politburo (BOD) cannot be sacked by the chief secretary, but if got criminal cases, can be taken to task by the BOD.

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  • illiterate pap voters:

    nansha:
    I am proud to be a Chinese and to call China my Motherland. I have thousands of years of Chinese civilization. If I am not a Chinese, what am I? A rojak? An American puppet or worse, a puppy?

    Whether we fully agree with the government of the day i.e. the CCP is another question

    But look at China today….far ahead of Spore, gone to the Moon, to the depths of the ocean, reversing the desert, eradicated poverty, spanking cities that number by the hundreds.

    Look at Spore..stagnating and even declining. Look at our talent from sports, to whatever field of endeavour.

    I was in China from mid-1990s. Back then the university students had thick English-Chinese dictionaries and even bi-lingual technical dictionaries They labored to digest Western knowledge. Today, they have flooded USA, so many papers carrie names of Chinese researchers. Today may put Singaporeans to shame with their command of English. They put in the effort and advanced.

    Look at Spore…what have we really produced despite all the money poured in to various science parks? Sorry, you cannot have ingenuity when you exercise so much control, meting out jail terms for even small offences. Using POFMA to slam those who wants to challenge the dogmas. You use Laws to silence the brains and you expect to advance?

    I will invest in China, travel in China, live in China. It is my Motherland.

    Very well said, bro. Agree.

    In the 1980s, when most in China were still on bicycles and in mao suits, we were in Shenyang.

    After dinner, we walked around the city. Chanced into a park. Gathered there was a large group of Chinese people, practicing their foreign language skills.

    We joined a group speaking English. There was this young girl. She spoke in absolutely excellent English. We asked her where did she learn the language. She said, it was self taught.

    Even then, in the 1980s when Singapore was one of 4 Asian dragons, in a Northeastern part of China, we can find English being spoken far better than most cotton sheep can.

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  • illiterate pap voters:

    Watcher:
    TKL, ignore all those bad mouthing you here.
    Doesn’t matter how China elects its leader, a country 280 times the population of SG.
    The political system eraticated extreme poverty for its people… 770m since 1970
    Xi has high approval rating. I visited China 100 days a year, and people are proud of the CPC.
    Many haters here call the Chinese names and worship the American democracy, prefering to believe in its hypocrisy and lies, and accept the bullying.
    SG is so backwards in so many areas, and yet think they are so advanced… still living in a well.
    The Chinese can give the Americans the middle finger, can SG do that?

    Very well said. Agree. We spend almost 2/3 of the year in China, in various cities, from Shanghai in the East to Urumqi in the West.

    We can see the very rapid progress of the Chinese society. Unless cotton sheep stops reading pap states times and start living in China, cotton sheep will surely be cooked finally under the ruining declining slow boil of pap useless S$m ownself justify ownself folks.

    The eskimos say you cannot judge anyone until you have walked miles with their moccasins. Cotton sheep, unless having lived under Chinese system for a time longer than a short tourist tour, should refrain from spouting erroneous nonsense about China under the CCCP.

    The Chinese has progressed far more, far better, from 1980s to 2021 than cotton sheep has regressed under pap from the 1980s to 2021.

    This is hard truth.

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  • oxygen:

    JACK MA, ALIBABA, is absolutely right when he uttered a few years ago these approximate words – you must MAKE LOVE to the CCP but NEVER TO MARRY them.

    Recently, his careless mouth was a bit too indiscreet of his political utterance in public space.

    Now the CCP is deep-throating him so hard into asylum silence that he could now barely swallow his food and breathe the sh*t-smelling polluted air in his great “motherland” said here in TRE of the butt-wisdom thinking to be the “the world’s most democratic”.

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  • FICA absolutely needed:

    please check this guy’s global assets to see if there is Sudden increase – maybe a penthouse in Shanghai? if not, please send him to Woodbridge.
    China ‘s “dictacracy” is like Henry Ford’ s famous statement on the cars he sold “you can choose any color of car as long as it is black”!
    in the meantime, he needs to visit rural China to see how terrible their conditions are. essentially, China is 400 million coastal elites exploiting the 1 billion other Chinese. who are made to work like slaves in factories like Foxconn, if they die also no one know.
    and no one should have any illusion – China has had great growth because of USA / stupid nixon’s generosity. American capital came to China to set up factories, employing hundreds of millions of Chinese to export goods back to USA. if not, China was a basket case. now China like a snake – instead of thanking USA and being their good friends and helping out bring some manufacturing back to USA when they need it, they close their market, have unfair trade competition, steal patents, and unleash wolf warriors on USA. the biggest snake in the world is China.

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  • Is he a lover or freeloader?:

    “Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength, while loving someone deeply gives you courage…. A leader is best when people barely know he exists, when his work is done, his aim fulfilled, they will say: we did it ourselves.”

    - Grand sage Lao Tzu, “Tao Te Ching”

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  • Santaclown:

    nansha:
    I am proud to be a Chinese and to call China my Motherland. I have thousands of years of Chinese civilization. If I am not a Chinese, what am I? A rojak? An American puppet or worse, a puppy?

    Whether we fully agree with the government of the day i.e. the CCP is another question

    But look at China today….far ahead of Spore, gone to the Moon, to the depths of the ocean, reversing the desert, eradicated poverty, spanking cities that number by the hundreds.

    Look at Spore..stagnating and even declining. Look at our talent from sports, to whatever field of endeavour.

    I was in China from mid-1990s. Back then the university students had thick English-Chinese dictionaries and even bi-lingual technical dictionaries They labored to digest Western knowledge. Today, they have flooded USA, so many papers carrie names of Chinese researchers. Today may put Singaporeans to shame with their command of English. They put in the effort and advanced.

    Look at Spore…what have we really produced despite all the money poured in to various science parks? Sorry, you cannot have ingenuity when you exercise so much control, meting out jail terms for even small offences. Using POFMA to slam those who wants to challenge the dogmas. You use Laws to silence the brains and you expect to advance?

    I will invest in China, travel in China, live in China. It is my Motherland.

    Many of your comments strike a chord, in fact melt my senses to know and understand the SG PAP Millionaire Club of politicians didn’t achieve much progress compared with PRC’s poorer politicians.

    PAP’s progress achieved seems only on their ego, POWER RETENTION/MANIPULATION of SGpns, RETARD AND STUNT SGpn Political Quotient, recruit foreigners to progress almost at the expense 9f citizens.

    Media report SG achieve this achieve tht, SG scientists discovered this or scored no 1 that – little foolish people realised achievements ARE DONE By FOREIGNERS in SG, NOT SGpns in SG.

    You are right TO HIGHLIGHT its NOT the systems of govts – it IS THE PEOPLE who run the systems.

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  • Bad Boy:

    I am proud to be a Chinese and to call China my Motherland. I have thousands of years of Chinese civilization. If I am not a Chinese, what am I? A rojak? An American puppet or worse, a puppy?

    Simple , a China chauvinist or a China puppet or China puppy.

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  • k:

    There are people here who obviously have black hair, brown eyes and yellow skin.

    If you ask these people about their fathers and grandparents, they would sheepishly tell you their hair is blond, blue eyes and white skins.

    Just curious how they are so different from their parents and grandparents.

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    Dont talk cock.

    Democracy is an Ideology.

    You people want to mix with race or roots or whatever patriotism or nationalism.

    I disagree with Xi i disagree with CCP. He said 堂堂正正. This is a 堂堂正正 answer . Yet they cannot accept. Only we muz accept. Like it or not e.g. 彭帥 muz accept 張高麗’s dic*.

    數典忘祖?
    Please man. Great mao already said 破四舊, 打倒牛鬼蛇神. No more 數典忘祖.

    Who’s 數典忘祖? I know several example 江清 is one good example. Original name 李云鶴. 改名就算了, 姓也改 ? 族譜怎麼寫 ? Help mao with culture revolution / great leap resulting many people suicide or die ? 害自己人. This is not 數典忘祖? Yet dont dare not say a single word. Suit CCP’s agenda then bring out and finger point others.

    有幸還是有良知理智之人.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cI8bJO-to8I
    In Search of Concentration Camps in XinJiang – A Documentary on Urban/Rural China

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  • BK:

    k:
    There are people here who obviously have black hair, brown eyes and yellow skin.

    If you ask these people about their fathers and grandparents, they would sheepishly tell you their hair is blond, blue eyes and white skins.

    Just curious how they are so different from their parents and grandparents.

    Lol. Precise ideological slant of a Chinese chauvinist His comments revolve about skin, eye , hair colors…failing and fearing a cohesive argument he goes back to violence of the language, typical…for those who love China, these are the ones to defeat.

    Chinese as an adjective or as a noun has different narratives. There are white Chinese, such as ethnic Russians who are Chinese citizens.

    The Bandung Conference 1955, stated clearly by China, that overseas Chinese owe their loyalty to their home country.

    https://amp.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/article/2109950/opinion-why-ethnic-chinese-southeast-asia-dont-owe-their

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  • nansha:

    Bad Boy:
    I am proud to be a Chinese and to call China my Motherland. I have thousands of years of Chinese civilization. If I am not a Chinese, what am I? A rojak? An American puppet or worse, a puppy?

    Simple , a China chauvinist or a China puppet or China puppy.

    Narrow minded, way out of date. Those cold war rhetoric days are long over. Have you lived and worked in China? I have and I know what I am talking.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Tech,

    THANKS FOR THE REJOINDER. Yes, anybody can apply BUT INCLUSION ACCEPTANCE IS RESTRICTED – if you do not have “approved” grassroot activities and backing the “right” political horse, there isn’t much chance of your application getting a sneeze of contemptuous look, let alone consideration.

    Tech: Just 2 points to clarify. 1. Membership to CCP is NOT by invitation only, anyone without a criminal record in the family can apply to join. 2. Those in the Politburo (BOD) cannot be sacked by the chief secretary, but if got criminal cases, can be taken to task by the BOD.

    BoXilai and his wife WOULD HAVE CONTINUED their corrupt ways and abuse of political power if not for the murder of a British business associate and the leak of mischief had it not a high-level CCP official having fled to the US Consulate seeking political assylum and protection.

    Within the nest of CCP, surely Bo Xi Lai is not an exception. HE WAS ONLY EXCEPTIONAL because his acts of commission and omissions in crime got exposed.

    Most peasants in Ah Tiong Land paid no attention to the apprehension, conviction and incarceration of the Bo’s, they are not directly injured by his conduct which in the context of CCP politics is ‘VERY ORDINARY”.

    This bears much similarity to your comparison of the CCP power structure to BOD (board of director) in western corporate world. When the CEO/Manager conduct of business and decision making harms the entity, THE SHAREHOLDERS CANNOT DO ANYTHING AT ALL – EXACTLY THE SAME AS CHINESE PEASANTS is confronting the ignominy of the Bo Xilai’c criminal excursions against the law thus exposed. Most peasants don’t care if they treat BO’s like
    Emperor and Empress in prison and punish them cruelly. They couldn’t care less!!

    Likewise, shareholder of corrupt collapse western corporate – they can’t do a thing.

    Why?

    Because the harm is done by the CEO/management injured the company – NOT THE SHAREHOLDERS outside. So in the Foss v Harbottle corporate law application, the proper plaintiff is the company (entity).

    http://www.hwg-law.com/articles/shareholders-rights-part-i-common-law-derivative-action#:~:text=In%20Foss%20v%20Harbottle%20(1842,improperly%20mortgaged%20the%20company%20property.&text=This%20rule%20is%20derived%20from%20two%20general%20legal%20principles%20of%20company%20law.

    So would the company (BOD/Management) sue themselves and land in prison for confessed crime?

    There is now EXCEPTION in corporate law found in Foss v Harbottle rule.

    Of course not!

    Would the CCP imprison all those corrupt officials in China and destroy its own legitimacy?

    Of course not!

    IS CCP, AND CHINA is the most democratic govt in the world?

    I say the proponent of this thesis can clap their buttocks of wisdom in self-delusion!

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  • oxygen:

    @ Tech

    TRY TALK TO YOUR CIRCLE of friends who might have knowledge and/or experience in corporate law world on the subject-matter of Foss v Harbottle law.

    This 1842 English law case is a landmark decision that survive through centuries and likely to remain so.

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  • illiterate pap voters:

    k:
    There are people here who obviously have black hair, brown eyes and yellow skin.

    If you ask these people about their fathers and grandparents, they would sheepishly tell you their hair is blond, blue eyes and white skins.

    Just curious how they are so different from their parents and grandparents.

    When we were in compulsory NSF, there was this Chinese guy in our bunk. He is Chinese by birth, by skin colour, by everything the eyes can discern.

    But he absolutely refused to acknowledge he was Chinese. Refuses to be associated as a Chinese. Gave himself an ang mo name to over ride the Chinese name his parents gave him.

    He absolutely bad mouths anything Chinese. If he lost a verbal argument, he called you a China chauvinist or a China puppet or China puppy.

    It was his guise to uncolour his Chinese skin, his Chinese birth. Alas. It was such a pain to see such. Because other than his Chinese name which he could change to an ang mo one via a deed poll, his skin colour and his Chinese birth are facts which he could not change one little bit, despite all his bad mouthing anything China or Chinese.

    What to do? All we can say is, such exist and we just pity their small mindedness.

    Small mindedness. Very, very, very small mind unable to accept the facts confronting him.

    Our possible suggestion to such is, better kill yourself if you so despise your Chinese skin colour and Chinese birth.

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  • oxygen:

    THOSE DIEHARD FANS of China who live, do business, travel extensively between big Chinese cities, even now, thinks China is summed up by these words of ‘PROGRESS AND MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT” simply by reference to its artificial soaring skyline are living in fantasy world.

    LEE-jiapore is exactly the same – Marina Bay and Shenton Way any difference of beautiful night skyline? Behind that is a sea of desperate survival struggle for many, mostly invisible in picturesque digital display on the “Lion city” marveled “progress achievements” the skyline represents.

    If soaring architecture is wealth making and accumulation in progress, take a look at Kazakshtan.

    https://www.lonelyplanet.com/articles/a-tour-of-astanas-wacky-and-wonderful-architecture

    In the isolation of skyline beauty is an ocean of poverty in the countryside!

    I roamed for years in China, lives in expensive condos in big cities but visit to countryside and saw elderly lives in former pig sty, wash their clothes in dirty fish ponds, probably that is their only source of drinking water. The poor fight over who has rights to discarded plastic bottle outside my door. THIS IS REAL CHINA! Foreigners in Shanghai told me this – China is not what it seems, at first I don’t believe too.

    BUT NEITHER DO I BELIEVE CHINA WALKS BACKWARD! Time and economic together march forward and in the decades past, hundreds of millions got lifted out of rural poverty. It is achievement but not extraordinary the media makes it out to be.

    Beautiful urbanized architecture is NOT ECONOMIC PROGRESS, it is development much rest on a mountain of debt. Evergrande is not the only one nearing collapse now. Upon completion, what do these empty skyscraper adds to economic wealth creation and development of recurrent export values?

    It is viable “look good” economic modeling for a moment of brevity as long as it generate income greater than the rate of debt servicing. Does China have manufacturing of cars and airplane or technology to the rest of the world going by this URBANISATION AND INFRASTRUCTURAL-BASED DEVELOPMENT MODEL?

    Economists call this the take-off stage built on massive infrastructural spending and urbanisation and basic manufacturing on cheap labor. This is now past for China.

    The stats proves it. Past 2008/2009, GFC, China’s GDP growth has slowed down rapidly compared to pre-2008 when annual GDP growth reached 12% to 14% annually.

    Here are my numbers in weblink.

    https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CHN/china/gdp-growth-rate

    In a deglobalisation world riddled with massive debt overhangs in the rest of world and China (and now threatened further by Covid pandemic havoc of disrupted supply chain piling on inflationary pressure) global economy will slow down.

    AND SO WILL CHINA.

    BUT ECONOMY GROWTH OR SLOWS STRUGGLE like the rest, IT DOES NOT PROVE CCP IS THE MOST DEMOCRATIC GOVERNANCE.

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  • Rejected 10 times:

    @Tech: Just 2 points to clarify. 1. Membership to CCP is NOT by invitation only, anyone without a criminal record in the family can apply to join.
    ”After being rejected seven times, Xi joined the Communist Youth League of China in 1971 by befriending a local official.[46] He reunited with his father in 1972, because of a family reunion ordered by Premier Zhou Enlai.[40] From 1973, he applied to join the Chinese Communist Party ten times and was finally accepted on his tenth attempt in 1974.[47][48]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping
    Tech—go read the life history of the man himself—Winnie Xi.
    Key Points
    1.The son of Chinese Communist veteran Xi Zhongxun, he was exiled to rural Yanchuan County as a teenager following his father’s purge during the Cultural Revolution,
    2. In 1963, when he was age 10, his father was purged from the Party and sent to work in a factory in Luoyang, Henan.[39] In May 1966, the Cultural Revolution cut short Xi’s secondary education when all secondary classes were halted for students to criticise and fight their teachers. Student militants ransacked the Xi family home and one of Xi’s sisters, Xi Heping, committed suicide from the pressure.[40] Later, his mother was forced to publicly denounce his father, as he was paraded before a crowd as an enemy of the revolution. His father was later thrown into prison in 1968 when Xi was aged 15. Without the protection of his father, Xi was sent to work in Liangjiahe
    Village,
    THIS DICTATOR have very serious childhood trauma; even though born a princling.
    MEMBERSHIP to ccp is very hard to come by; you can apply, rejection is the norm.

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  • Curiosity killed the k:

    All black hair, brown eyes yellow skin are not Chinese.

    By the way, the progressive Japanese and Koreans have also inculcated affirmative democratic institutions like their Western counterparts.

    And didn’t you notice that Taiwanese are also Chinese people who have lived up to the behests of the Father of Modern China – Dr. Sun Yat Sen? Why does CCP insist on forcing Taiwanese Chinese into becoming atheistic Communists? How do you explain the Falun Gong and Muslim persecutions in Communist China?

    Moreover, Korea, Japan and Taiwan are traditional Confucianist, Taoist and Buddhist cultures. What do CCP cadres believe about their human existence….and where are they heading in the hereafter?

    How about your parents and grandparents parents, hey “k” heeheehee?

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  • Hard:

    Eaten too much French fries and read too much BBC, CNN, and ST. One even claimed that a particular Western news site always report the truth.

    k:
    There are people here who obviously have black hair, brown eyes and yellow skin.

    If you ask these people about their fathers and grandparents, they would sheepishly tell you their hair is blond, blue eyes and white skins.

    Just curious how they are so different from their parents and grandparents.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Rejected 10 times

    THANKS FOR YOUR PARTICIPATING CONTRIBUTION, so my informed sources among Chinese peasants are correct.

    Rejected 10 times: THIS DICTATOR have very serious childhood trauma; even though born a princling.
    MEMBERSHIP to ccp is very hard to come by; you can apply, rejection is the norm.

    So unless invited or corruptly inducted into its political spider web of the CCP via influence/connection links, the CCP is a dictatorship of its own manufacture and exclusivity.

    If Deng Xiao Ping was not “rehabilitated” back into the party post the Cultural Revolution, he could have lived out the rest of his life in a disused pig sty – same as those instances I saw in “prosperous” Guangzhou countryside abject poverty among the elderly.

    @ TKL, is in gibberish ranting of his own hallucination of fiction. I would say to him this – WELCOME TO THE REAL CHINA!

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  • Hard:

    But some people here, presumably Singaporeans, are loyal to angmo country and consider it their obligation and pleasure to swallow and vomit shit from there.

    BK: The Bandung Conference 1955, stated clearly by China, that overseas Chinese owe their loyalty to their home country.

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    https://www.hk01.com/即時中國/709891/網傳內地多地現公務員減薪潮-廣東內陸僅保障-底薪-緩發補貼

    網傳內地多地現公務員減薪潮 廣東內陸僅保障「底薪」緩發補貼

    Unconfirmed news but most likely.
    China civil servants 30 pay cut.
    Some undisclose info that these cut may extend further to ….

    Of course pro china will divert attention by saying when’s Sg turn. Hahaha!

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  • @Hard .... one punky hardsell:

    (But some people here, presumably Singaporeans, are loyal to angmo country and consider it their obligation and pleasure to swallow and vomit shit from there.)

    Who “some people”? Which “angmo country”?

    Keep your diarrhoea to yourself lah!

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  • Delina Arumugam:

    See my point?

    Mr Lian s/o Tan simply brilliant, always says something in simple English, hits directly on the raw nerve of many people and evoke enthusiastic discourse.

    For those who “Hoo” him with all kinds of names, Mr Lian s/o Tan just laugh it off!

    TRE should invite him to contribute more!

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  • oxygen:

    @ nansha

    GREAT OBSERVATION, LEE-jiapore is born into a state of comatose.

    nansha: Look at Spore…what have we really produced despite all the money poured in to various science parks? Sorry, you cannot have ingenuity when you exercise so much control, meting out jail terms for even small offences. Using POFMA to slam those who wants to challenge the dogmas. You use Laws to silence the brains and you expect to advance?

    In a stable state, you get the notorious constant drumming of “political stability” catcalling (PAPpypolitic/PAPpynomics) code word to brainwash peasants for the preservation of its own hegemony and political longevity. Anyone disagreeing is a “Marxist” or part of a “Marxist conspiracy”.

    In a turbulence, it gets tossed around like a foul-smelling piece of excrement tossed about in a tornado. Outside LEE-jiapore there is only geo-political instability and globalisation crushes protection of dying manufacturing via tax incentives and cheap slave labor (multi-national companies left in droves from GE, to Texas Instrument, to National Semiconductor, to Philips, etc). The rise of newly industrialising economies means hollowing out of domestic economy.

    But brainwashed obedient Sinkies found themselves lost in zombieland – can’t protest and vaccinated to stability mindset of “never change” no matter what is happening outside. PAPpypolitics/PAPpynomics themselves are completely clueless – forge a FAKE ECONOMIC MODEL RESTING ON ASSET ENHANCEMENT POLITICS.

    How can economy built wealth on endless rising real estate values which ADDS NOTHING TO PRODUCTIVE CAPACITY AND OUTCOME. IT IS A MYSTERY TO ME OF THIS STUPIDITY UNLIMITED OR CONMAN INVENTION OF ECONOMICS bordering on lunatic rationality.

    If your HDB rose 10 times from your purchase price by 10X, you don’t become richer by 10-fold. BUT IN REALITY, YOU GOT POORER by 10X in this voodo economics of asset enhancement politics.

    Don’t believe me?

    After you sold, what is the price of your next purchase? Also 10X higher if not more. If you got a son and a daughter depending on your support, the burden all round escalate by the same proportion, and you as a retiree got money to give them?

    ASSET INFLATION IS REGRESSIVE TAX. Your kid’s housing now pays a lot higher mortgage, feeds the bank, whose earnings get taxed by IRAS.

    Asset bubble inflation is backdoor tax of sorts. IF ANYONE DARES TO PROTEST AGAINST THIS VOODOO ECONOMIC OF REGRESSIVE TAX disguise as wealth accumulation, YOU BE BRANDED by clueless dictatorship AS A “MARXIST OR PART OF THE MARXIST CONSPIRACY” TO CREATE POLITICAL INSTABILITY!

    Or is it, not?

    The problem does not end there. THE DICTATORSHIP is clueless of restructuring economy faced with turbulent changes outside.

    ALL DIE, lah! No need Covid-19′s help.

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  • kannan:

    illiterate pap voters:

    When we were in compulsory NSF, there was this Chinese guy in our bunk. He is Chinese by birth, by skin colour, by everything the eyes can discern.

    But he absolutely refused to acknowledge he was Chinese. Refuses to be associated as a Chinese. Gave himself an ang mo name to over ride the Chinese name his parents gave him.

    He absolutely bad mouths anything Chinese. If he lost a verbal argument, he called you a China chauvinist or a China puppet or China puppy.

    It was his guise to uncolour his Chinese skin, his Chinese birth. Alas. It was such a pain to see such. Because other than his Chinese name which he could change to an ang mo one via a deed poll, his skin colour and his Chinese birth are facts which he could not change one little bit, despite all his bad mouthing anything China or Chinese.

    What to do? All we can say is, such exist and we just pity their small mindedness.

    Small mindedness. Very, very, very small mind unable to accept the facts confronting him.

    Our possible suggestion to such is, better kill yourself if you so despise your Chinese skin colour and Chinese birth.

    Many here are like this shameless twit. Very good advice.

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  • glitter:

    //LEE-jiapore is exactly the same – Marina Bay and Shenton Way any difference of beautiful night skyline? Behind that is a sea of desperate survival struggle for many, mostly invisible in picturesque digital display on the “Lion city” marveled “progress achievements” the skyline represents.//

    and here it goes ?? selling so-called stability at a high premium (rent-seeking soemtimes known as market price ???) while inherently and inadvertently creating / filtering down to higher cost of living and this must keep on going to ensure that capital (gain ??) is not lost (hence the continuing open-leg policy while slaughtering greenery so that the game can continue and the glitter does not lose its shine ???) ???

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  • True Blue Singaporean:

    please take whatever China says with a spoonful of salt. latest covid numbers they report for local cases: 44 symptomatic and 5 asymptomatic. all over the world, asymptomatic cases are at least 10 times symptomatic cases, so obviously their numbers are nonsensical. than they say 1 case in Shanghai. in a big city like Shanghai, how is it possible to have 1 case? it is either 0 or at least 5 to 6 as it has to be transmitted from somewhere. yet China fans simply will believe these numbers as absolute truth!

    Tech: When you see the extent which the Chinese are going through to achieve zero-C19 policies, one case is already too much. They will lock down an entire city for a single-digit spread, the virus where got chance to go anywhere? The city I am based in has gone over a year without a single trace of C19, also cannot believe?

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  • Santaclown:

    Delina Arumugam:
    See my point?

    Mr Lian s/o Tan simply brilliant, always says something in simple English, hits directly on the raw nerve of many people and evoke enthusiastic discourse.

    For those who “Hoo” him with all kinds of names, Mr Lian s/o Tan just laugh it off!

    TRE should invite him to contribute more!

    Actually I had refrained from this response – but I think and rethink I need to.

    TKL did not write any brilliant subjects or he wrote his piece brilliantly. With due respect to him as previous CEO whereas I m only an office boy.

    He wrote crap based on his warped appreciation of events and issues – and it was this crap itself tt sparked a discourse (I believe quite a rare record no of comments in TRE ).

    Do a crowdfund on his behalf bro if u care to support him – crowd fund to readers see how much readers and the public WILL HELP HIM TO GET BACK HIS $30,000 (is this correct?) from PAP. When others can succeed to the tunes of many times 30,000.00 sure it can be done in matter of hours.

    Please take up the challenge.

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  • k:

    This is what American Democracy is all about. Freedom of expression. Freedom of choice.

    But when your expression or choice is not agreeable to them, they would smash your head. You are with us or against us.

    American intolerance and dictatorship bundled together with hypocritical democracy and freedom of choice, freedom of expression. What a joke.

    Unthinking asses still believing in this shit.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    I had been on the side watching ….and now it is time for me to sum up.

    Like my grand master LKY said .. politics is not a walk in the park.

    From this thread, you can see that 2 foreign loyal group are up at each other throat.

    The 2 foreign loyal group are:

    1. The Americunt loyal group, sponsored by CIA and their allies
    2. The Chinacunt loyal group, sponsored by CCP agent and their allies

    Both group are the greatest liar on earth.

    Luckily my great PAP had the foresight to enact FICA.

    Both group are trait0r to Singapore. I urged my great PAP to quickly arrest both group of trait0r.

    PAP supporters please print/distribute/share my post.
    In Dollar$ We Tru$t. Prai$e the Dollar$. Glory be with the Dollar$

    GE2024.PAP.Guarantee.Win.Again
    Majullah $PAP$ $PAP$ Huat$ Huat$ Huat$
    Singaporeans must be Cheaperer, Betterer, Fasterer

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  • TKL's Craps called Delina:

    Delina Arumugam:
    See my point?

    Mr Lian s/o Tan simply brilliant, always says something in simple English, hits directly on the raw nerve of many people and evoke enthusiastic discourse.

    For those who “Hoo” him with all kinds of names, Mr Lian s/o Tan just laugh it off!

    TRE should invite him to contribute more!

    TRE’s biggest GARBAGE DUMP – “Mr Lian s/o Tan Rubbish Collection Center” – Where poverty-stricken, pauperized people like Delina Arumugam forage for ‘cockroach infested leftovers’ ‘dead rotten meats and even ‘used sanitary pads’ discarded by READERS/COMMENTERS here whose home collection center refused to collect. Pathetic.

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    真是有病!

    It just a straight forward question. Do you think China is a democratic country ? Yes or No.

    Pro PRC fans have to bring in race, ancestors roots, skin color, hair color, eye color….etc! It not convincing. Indirectly hinting that as a chinese even though one disagree , one must lie and say yes.

    Achievements such as e.g. going to space or deep in the ocean …. Fair but its just achievements its not ideology. Besides, exactly how many people want to go to outer space or ocean’s abyss. You think any tom dicky harry can. You have to be trained plus psych, medical and physical evaluation. So easy everybody can be astronauts or navy divers. Besides at any time some gear or vessel issues, probably cannot come back. Sometimes body also cannot recover. Even survived one will sustained injuries e.g. burst eardrums or lungs or worse nitrogen enter your brain.
    As for sports, this 14億人口 biggest population country also has its failure, cannot even qualify for world cup.

    Eradicate poverty ?
    Didnt China young diving superstar quan hong chan during interview said she needs to dive to get medals and earn money for treatment of her mother’s illnesses. Then something seem amiss and dont seem right.
    The manslaughter case 歐金中 also say otherwise.

    Sg for a start at least no 996, no ban of google, facebook, twitter, youtube, instagram, whatsapp, line, telegram, …. No need to climb wall to access website ( well maybe pornhub or payboy or penthouse…).

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  • What is American democracy?:

    In America, in sports matches everywhere the crowds are chanting out loud “(B)uck (F)iden! buck fiden!”. His so called Democratic Party are sponsors of the ANTIFA people movement for anarchic violence and public vandalism: & if you’re not with them then they accuse you ordinary Americans of going against “democracy”. Mr George Soros the super wealthy money-trader and self-proclaimed “agent of socialism” is an avid and enthusiastic sponsor of these so called “people movements”. And over at the Mexican border, president Biden has freely admitted hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants from South America many among whom are criminals escaping the law and drug pushers, and little children without parents! The economy is slumping like crazy the jobs are scarce, but the gays are more than happy to have their flags fly high at American embassies everywhere. True patriots are made to feel ashamed – by these political propagandists chauvinists – to assert their loyalty to the USA. And look the many tons of military hardware they gave away to the terrorists in Afghanistan!

    Foreboding of the Antichrist….. who do you think is playing geo-politics with sheeples lives?

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  • BK:

    Lol. After all that Chinese pride bs, nothing but a bunch of “true blue chinese” giving themselves Indian monikers. Chinese chauvinists with Indian fantasies!! Well done!! These clowns want to be defenders of China (:

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  • No wonder:

    You like to list individual cases to smear the entire China. Using your approach, which country is out of poverty? Go US, UK or any country of your choice, can you find one without a single poor individual?

    If you think Singapore is more democratic, you are a confirmed pappy animal. The highest political position is limited to very few individuals. Only chosen ones (pre-qualified, what’s the difference) can run for it, or be placed on it.

    PAP mandate strong: Eradicate poverty ?
    Didnt China young diving superstar quan hong chan during interview said she needs to dive to get medals and earn money for treatment of her mother’s illnesses. Then something seem amiss and dont seem right.

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  • TKL's Craps called Delina:

    BK:
    Lol. After all that Chinese pride bs, nothing but a bunch of “true blue chinese” giving themselves Indian monikers. Chinese chauvinists with Indian fantasies!! Well done!! These clowns want to be defenders of China (:

    It could be none other than Mr. Lian s/o Tan himself. You say pathetic or not?? hahaha…………

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    PAP mandate strong:
    真是有病!

    It just a straight forward question. Do you think China is a democratic country ? Yes or No.

    The answer is NO….This is a no brainer question.
    Only the Chinacunt here will say Yes.

    PAP mandate strong:
    Sg for a start at least no 996, no ban of google, facebook, twitter, youtube, instagram, whatsapp, line, telegram, …. No need to climb wall to access website ( well maybe pornhub or payboy or penthouse…).

    Yes, you said it well.

    At least my great PAP SG did not abuse human rights of forcing people to work 9am to 9pm for 6 days..(996)

    and yes, SG no need to climb wall to access website…

    PAP SG practice Responsible Freedom and Democracy ..

    You want freedom and human rights with no responsibilities ?

    Welcome to Americunt… hahaha

    Streets of Philadelphia, Kensington Ave Story
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssjqeYSRn4U

    The Oakland, California Homeless Problem is Beyond Belief
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRWmKh13b50

    Bangkok Thailand – She said: I like old men – Vlog 66
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz9a55KJc2s

    PAP supporters please print/distribute/share my post.
    In Dollar$ We Tru$t. Prai$e the Dollar$. Glory be with the Dollar$

    GE2024.PAP.Guarantee.Win.Again
    Majullah $PAP$ $PAP$ Huat$ Huat$ Huat$
    Singaporeans must be Cheaperer, Betterer, Fasterer

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    Exactly which country no poor only rich or super rich.

    Smear ? I didnt bring it up. Your pro china bro brought it up.

    The example quoted is factual. I still have many examples anytime i can fill you in. One good example is so many prc foreign workers in dormitories or renting rooms working in sg or malaysia or indonesia or any where already proof. Is this not facts.
    I m not looking down on them , they are earning an honest living. If what U mean u offer rental at sgd 300 no air con per tenant they counter offer sgd1000 instead. Okay lah Then i accept.

    China first tier cities if you walk around perhaps its like marina square or Orchard road of course the scope of area many time wider but you tread further and further , still you will see old estates or worn out houses/shops or buildings. Likewise if you walk from marina square towards Rochor , beach road or middle road …you still see old buildings old flats , … Its norm.

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    Sg is also not invited. At least boh kpkb or declare some white paper making a fuss which we dont deem it as necessity. Its like throwing a birthday party which guests i want to invite up to me. Likewise if someone invited me instead i can also dont go.

    Likewise China’s daddy Russia not invited as usual. People also not responsive.

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  • Simple lah:

    Some old puppies already kpkb. One even bestest, “US may screw us some time, but we love them.”

    Count money. A (in)famous MP asking citizens to masak masak, pass vouchers around. Got cash or digital payment don’t want, must play with vouchers. Singapore gov very xia suay! Ministers get multi-millions, poor citizens get $2 vouchers. Very democratic?

    PAP mandate strong:
    Sg is also not invited. At least boh kpkb or declare some white paper making a fuss which we dont deem it as necessity. Its like throwing a birthday party which guests i want to invite up to me. Likewise if someone invited me instead i can also dont go.

    Likewise China’s daddy Russia not invited as usual. People also not responsive.

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  • Delina Arumugam:

    WAO!

    Brilliant means must become the head of state?

    Appreciation of the talents one possesses means crowd funding must be done regardless if it is necessary?

    And just look at some of the most uncalled for remarks all these very smart people have! With this state of mind do they fit to comment on something Mr Lian s/o Tan brought up, which could be scrutinised under the sun?

    It would appear that Mr Lian s/o Tan will always have the last laugh on any thing he wishes to bring out!

    Santaclown: Actually I had refrained from this response – but I think and rethink I need to.

    TKL did not write any brilliant subjects or he wrote his piece brilliantly. With due respect to him as previous CEO whereas I m only an office boy.

    He wrote crap based on his warped appreciation of events and issues – and it was this crap itself tt sparked a discourse (I believe quite a rare record no of comments in TRE ).

    Do a crowdfund on his behalf bro if u care to support him – crowd fund to readers see how much readers and the public WILL HELP HIM TO GET BACK HIS $30,000 (is this correct?) from PAP. When others can succeed to the tunes of many times 30,000.00 sure it can be done in matter of hours.

    Please take up the challenge.

    TKL's Craps called Delina: TRE’s biggest GARBAGE DUMP – “Mr Lian s/o Tan Rubbish Collection Center” – Where poverty-stricken, pauperized people like Delina Arumugam forage for ‘cockroach infested leftovers’ ‘dead rotten meats and even ‘used sanitary pads’ discarded by READERS/COMMENTERS here whose home collection center refused to collect. Pathetic.

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  • oxygen:

    THE CONTRAST OF DICTATORSHIP AND LIBERAL DEMOCRACY is best illuminated by these two monumental real life examples.

    Chinese Doctor, Silenced After Warning of Outbreak, Dies From Coronavirus
    Dr. Li Wenliang issued a warning about a strange new virus. Then the authorities summoned him for questioning.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/world/asia/chinese-doctor-Li-Wenliang-coronavirus.html

    Over in the US, with these few words, the sitting judge threw out the US Government’s case against an ex-Pentagon whistle-blower – the notorious Pentagon papers.

    New York Times:The conduct of the Government has placed the case in such a posture that it precludes the fair, dispassionate resolution of these issues by a jury,”

    https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0511.html

    NO OTHER WORDS NEEDS TO BE SAID.

    Sitting judge, the late John Byrne Jnr REFUSED/DENIED THE GOVT ATTEMPT to file an appeal.

    In USA, the late President Richard Nixon got impeached and driven out of office in that Watergate scandal. Nixon done no wrong of criminal offence but made poor political judgment of failed attempted cover-up of those below him.

    IN CHINA, IF XI JI PING lies and cover-up for wrongdoings below him, to protect the CCP, WHICH JUDGE IN CHINESE COURT DARES TO OPEN HIS OR HER MOUTH when the late Dr Li WenLiang got thrown under the bus?

    NO NEED FOR ANY READER IN TRE to engage a part-time rubber tapper/durian picker refugee from across the Causeway.

    We know that the diehard disruptive PAPpy-a*selicking deranged is paid at most 5 Malaysian sen per troll.

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  • shit happens:

    Chinese democracy is basically autocracy in disguise, their leaders are circulated within the pioneers’ families. So any different from Singapore’s succession?

    The election by all party members is democractic? Did you know those who abstain or vote against disappeared from public life or demoted. You call this democractic? Maybe it is the same as party whip of PAPPY.

    China is exporting their version of democracy/autocracy outside China riding on the fact that they are rich and powerful. So admirers like TR Tech and TKL jump on this wagon to promote.

    Democracy to us is freedom to express and elect, not by intimidation or repression which exist in China or SG. This explains why Singapore is not invited to the democracy summit.

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  • the senior key positions:

    //One good example is so many prc foreign workers in dormitories or renting rooms working in sg or malaysia or indonesia or any where already proof. Is this not facts.//

    also proof that sinkie land is too open-leg policy for these workers to be able arbitrage wages and yet sinkie land is still a relatively high cost place in this region because of plenty of rent-seeking (or what is wrong with making or collecting more money ???)???

    slowly FTs are going to arbitrage away many of daft sinkie jobs plus daft sinkies “identity” (moving towards continuing shifting chat-ba-lang identity ???) plus culture AND possibly all the senior key positions until even the white monkey idiots also difficult to handle it hor ????

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  • one man holding placard:

    //At least my great PAP SG did not abuse human rights of forcing people to work 9am to 9pm for 6 days..(996)//

    yar lor, some people (most probably ownself-check-ownself kaki lang I-Bee) say that there is no mandate on vaxxine leh ??

    aiyoh ?? abuse humans rights must only be equal (as defined ?) to forcing people to work from 9am to 9pm for 6 days only meh (and who knows that this may or not happen in sinkie land ???) ?? don’t know whether home helpers work such long hours hor ??

    one man holding placard can or not (not to the liking of the white idiots ??) ???

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  • Singapore is a FAKE democracy:

    Straits Times: Social media platforms jeopardise elections, Nobel Peace laureate Maria Ressa says

    What Ressa says is true BUT it only applies to (real) democracies. It does NOT apply to Singapore because it is a FAKE democracy. In fact, social media is the only source of TRUTH (and of course also lies) in Singapore.

    The 150th ranked Singapore press is not a source of the truth but “PAP self-serving spin”. It is a propaganda arm of the PAP. POFMA is proof that PAP considers social media as a threat.

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  • Zero Confidence:

    @TECH”Tech: When you see the extent which the Chinese are going through to achieve zero-C19 policies, one case is already too much. They will lock down an entire city for a single-digit spread, the virus where got chance to go anywhere?”
    The commies in TKL motherland have ZERO confidence in their own vaccines.
    Their vax rate is at 91.8%, yet using total hard lockdown strategy.
    Hence Zero-Covid policy is due to Zero-Confidence in vaccines.
    Their very own.
    When do they want to open up? 2050?
    Want to be a world leader; not behaving like one.
    Cannot even handle a simple Peng Shuai incident.
    The World expect much more from a World-Leader-want-to-be.
    Besides bullying smaller nations, have shown Zero leadership quality so far.
    TKL should head for rural China to see for himself those living in EXTREME poverty.
    STOP consuming State-Propaganda on CCP run media like CGTN, CCTV.
    Why do you choose to brainwash yourself knowing what you consumed is dictated by the ‘PARTY’?

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  • I ride Free Rider:

    R you Free Rider, you so free, asking everyone to ride you for free.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Zero Confidence

    EXACTLY, beautifully said.

    Zero Confidence: TKL should head for rural China to see for himself those living in EXTREME poverty.

    Barring that @ TKL is hallucinating fictions and sharing that on TR E.

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  • Delina d/o Arumugam:

    Go marry Lian s/o Tan then maybe can take over from Emperor Dowager huh? The next terror coupling…. Halal eh! heeheehee

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  • TKL's Turd Called Delina:

    Delina Arumugam:
    WAO!

    Brilliant means must become the head of state?

    Appreciation of the talents one possesses means crowd funding must be done regardless if it is necessary?

    And just look at some of the most uncalled for remarks all these very smart people have! With this state of mind do they fit to comment on something Mr Lian s/o Tan brought up, which could be scrutinised under the sun?

    It would appear that Mr Lian s/o Tan will always have the last laugh on any thing he wishes to bring out!

    TKL’s Turd Called Delina:
    Yep, the smart & brilliant don’t suffers fools gladly.

    Idiots more appropriate.

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  • TKL's Turd named Delina:

    Delina d/o Arumugam:
    Go marry Lian s/o Tan then maybe can take over from Emperor Dowager huh? The next terror coupling…. Halal eh! heeheehee

    Delina d/o Arumugam says TKL is brilliant; I, smart woh ;)
    At least he got Delina d/o Arumugam admire his ‘brilliance’. lol

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  • TKL's Turd named Delina:

    Delina d/o Arumugam:
    Go marry Lian s/o Tan then maybe can take over from Emperor Dowager huh? The next terror coupling…. Halal eh! heeheehee

    Delina d/o Arumugam says TKL is brilliant; I, smart woh ;)
    At least he have Delina d/o Arumugam admire his ‘brilliance’. lol

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  • POTUS pardon POTUS:

    Great American Justice: President pardons President and pardons all the criminals who worked for them.

    That’s the open America Justice!

    Have people forgotten that oral sex is not sex!

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  • @Curiosity:

    You are right! “Taiwanese are also Chinese people.”

    You are wrong. Nobody is forcing them to be “atheist communists.” Poeple in China are not atheist communists. Don’t live in the distant past.

    Curiosity killed the k:
    All black hair, brown eyes yellow skin are not Chinese.

    By the way, the progressive Japanese and Koreans have also inculcated affirmative democratic institutions like their Western counterparts.

    And didn’t you notice that Taiwanese are also Chinese people who have lived up to the behests of the Father of Modern China – Dr. Sun Yat Sen? Why does CCP insist on forcing Taiwanese Chinese into becoming atheistic Communists? How do you explain the Falun Gong and Muslim persecutions in Communist China?

    Moreover, Korea, Japan and Taiwan are traditional Confucianist, Taoist and Buddhist cultures. What do CCP cadres believe about their human existence….and where are they heading in the hereafter?

    How about your parents and grandparents parents, hey “k” heeheehee?

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    PAP mandate strong:
    Exactly which country no poor only rich or super rich.

    ;;;
    China first tier cities if you walk around perhaps its like marina square or Orchard road of course the scope of area many time wider but you tread further and further , still you will see old estates or worn out houses/shops or buildings. Likewise if you walk from marina square towards Rochor , beach road or middle road …you still see old buildings old flats , … Its norm.

    Clap..clap..Clap..clap..Clap..clap..Clap..clap..

    For the blind China Communist loyalist aka trait0r of Singapore
    E29 中国最穷的地方,靠吃土豆充饥,90%以上的人没吃过大米
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dItHjiZYpOg

    贫困山区无父无母的孩子
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDwqeOslDho

    For the blind Americunt Demoncratic loyalist aka trait0r of Singapore.
    San Francisco has decriminalised petty theft. Cops can’t stop or prosecute anyone who steals anything worth less than $900.

    https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/trends/story/watch-man-steals-items-from-us-store-walks-away-as-security-personnel-look-on-298921-2021-06-17

    In 2014, Prop 47 was passed to reduce certain non-violent felonies to misdemeanors in order to free up resources for cops and prosecutors to go after serious, violent offenders. Data shows that after Prop 47 passed, shoplifting and thefts increased.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-prop-47-shoplifting-theft-crime-statewide

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  • Ozzygen:

    Where is your concern for your fellow Australian, Julian Assange, the world admired real whistleblower? You and your PM allow US to torture him for years and now going to drag him to a US jail for more torture?

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-10/london-court-rules-on-us-julian-assange-extradition-appeal/100692390

    oxygen: THE CONTRAST OF DICTATORSHIP AND LIBERAL DEMOCRACY is best illuminated by these two monumental real life examples.

    Chinese Doctor, Silenced After Warning of Outbreak, Dies From Coronavirus
    Dr. Li Wenliang issued a warning about a strange new virus. Then the authorities summoned him for questioning.

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  • Peace Prize for Assange:

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/542848-assange-exposed-chinese-crimes/

    If Julian Assange were a Chinese journalist and publisher, he’d have the Nobel Prize, be the centerpiece of Human Rights Day, and this week his portrait would’ve been planted atop President Joe Biden’s Democracy Summit.

    Assange’s name would’ve been the first on US Secretary of State Antony Blinken’s list of 350 journalists under threat, published, without irony, on the day his administration sought to extradite Assange to face 175 years in a supermax prison.

    If Chinese crimes rather than American crimes had been revealed by Assange, he would now be the poster boy for the Winter Olympics’ boycott campaign.

    Every news bulletin today would’ve led with his fate, every press still turning would be rolling out the outrage at the crushing of this butterfly on the wheel.

    Poor Julian, if only he had been born a Chinaman.

    His “crime”, though, is that he exposed, inter alia, US war crimes in Iraq, including assassinations and more than 15,000 unreported deaths of civilians; the torture of men and boys aged between 14 and 89, at Guantanamo; the US illegally spying on UN secretary generals and other diplomats; the CIA-insitigated military coup in Honduras in 2009; and the US’ secret war on Yemen in which thousands have been killed.

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  • BK:

    Peace Prize for Assange:
    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/542848-assange-exposed-chinese-crimes/

    If Julian Assange were a Chinese journalist and publisher, he’d have the Nobel Prize, be the centerpiece of Human Rights Day, and this week his portrait would’ve been planted atop President Joe Biden’s Democracy Summit.

    Assange’s name would’ve been the first on US Secretary of State Antony Blinken’s list of 350 journalists under threat, published, without irony, on the day his administration sought to extradite Assange to face 175 years in a supermax prison.

    If Chinese crimes rather than American crimes had been revealed by Assange, he would now be the poster boy for the Winter Olympics’ boycott campaign.

    Every news bulletin today would’ve led with his fate, every press still turning would be rolling out the outrage at the crushing of this butterfly on the wheel.

    Poor Julian, if only he had been born a Chinaman.

    His “crime”, though, is that he exposed, inter alia, US war crimes in Iraq, including assassinations and more than 15,000 unreported deaths of civilians; the torture of men and boys aged between 14 and 89, at Guantanamo; the US illegally spying on UN secretary generals and other diplomats; the CIA-insitigated military coup in Honduras in 2009; and the US’ secret war on Yemen in which thousands have been killed.

    You are right. But whats missing is what the CCP would have done him, if he was a chinaman. Not only him but his family.

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  • BK:

    POTUS pardon POTUS:
    Great American Justice: President pardons President and pardons all the criminals who worked for them.

    That’s the open America Justice!

    Have people forgotten that oral sex is not sex!

    Not wrong. But in Peng Shuai’s case, assault on woman dosent even seem a crime. Is that only tip of iceberg?

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  • oxygen:

    @ Ozzygen

    MATE, YOUR EXCITED (actually read SEX-CITED) UTTERANCE woke me up from my lazy cozzy comfort BUT IT IS UNTRUE.

    Ozzygen: You and your PM allow US to torture him for years and now going to drag him to a US jail for more torture?

    First I didn’t allow US to torture Julian Assange. He is trapped in the same tragic circumstance as the late Daniel Ellsberg’s Shakespearean tragedy but the latter was given the escape from injustice inflicted by rogue US govt’s tyranny of cruel persecution (not lawful prosecution as ruled by late Justice John Byrne Jnr. Your allegation directed at me is false.

    Your pretension didn’t end there but thanks to your weblink supplied ( I read its content) I found you omitted a big truth in your wild assertions. The relevant caption is here.

    ABC News :Judge Timothy Holroyde said the United States had given assurances to the United Kingdom about Assange’s detention, including about his treatment in the US prison system and that the US would allow him to be transferred to Australia to serve any prison sentence.

    US wins appeal against London court’s decision not to extradite Julian Assange

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-10/london-court-rules-on-us-julian-assange-extradition-appeal/100692390

    So Julian Assange won’t be tortured in US jail even if extradited ( which won’t happen any time soon as there is still appeal channels available in British court system according to media sources). Instead, at most, he will be well fed, taken care of and his personal rights respected in Australian custodial detention.

    SO YOU TOLD TWO PIVOT LIES IN ONE POST – but the poor consolation for you is this reality – NO POINT CLENCHING YOUR BUTT AFTER YOUR STINKIO FART HAS FLOWN – in the Japanese and Arab wisdom’s proverbs.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Peace Prize for Assange

    PURE SPECULATION….and a string of fertile imagination.

    Peace Prize for Assange: If Julian Assange were a Chinese journalist and publisher………..

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  • oxygen:

    @ POTUS pardon POTUS

    Judicial pardon is as old as sex or at least since Medieval Age of trial by ordeal.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_by_ordeal

    POTUS pardon POTUS: Great American Justice: President pardons President and pardons all the criminals who worked for them.

    That’s the open America Justice!

    Have people forgotten that oral sex is not sex!

    It is outdated. Gerald Ford did pardoned Nixon in LEGIT PLEA BARGAINING deal. Nothing unique about that unless you believe in medieval law application.

    As for oral sex is or not sex, just remember this – LAW IS NOT A SET OF PROHIBITIONS OF DON’Ts OR DOs.

    IT IS AN EVOLVING SOCIAL PHENOMENA.

    Just ask the most learned scholarly Shanmugam, his fast shiny head tells me he is very hardworking besides very brainy. I am confident that his wisdom will agree with me!

    IS THERE ANY PROSECUTION OF s377a in LEE-jiapore in recent times when it is still in the law book of criminal offence?

    TO AVOID DOUBT, ASK MR. SHANMUGAM

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  • Reject Foreign Interference:

    Not true. North Korea and Afghanistan are the most democratic countries in the world! Pun intended

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  • POTUS pardon POTUS:

    You know so little about US knowledge that is openly available. POTUS pardon is outdated? lol. It’s used by every recent POTUS. Trump pardoned more than 200, and that is below average.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_executive_clemency_by_Donald_Trump

    “Of the pardons and commutations that Trump did grant, the vast majority were to persons to whom Trump had a personal or political connection, or persons for whom executive clemency served a political goal.[2][3][4] A significant number had been convicted of fraud or public corruption.[5] The New York Times reported that during the closing days of the Trump presidency, individuals with access to the administration, such as former administration officials, were soliciting fees to lobby for presidential pardons.[6]”

    oxygen:
    @ POTUS pardon POTUS

    Judicial pardon is as old as sex or at least since Medieval Age of trial by ordeal.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_by_ordeal

    It is outdated. Gerald Ford did pardoned Nixon in LEGIT PLEA BARGAINING deal. Nothing unique about that unless you believe in medieval law application.

    As for oral sex is or not sex, just remember this – LAW IS NOT A SET OF PROHIBITIONS OF DON’Ts OR DOs.

    IT IS AN EVOLVING SOCIAL PHENOMENA.

    Just ask the most learned scholarly Shanmugam, his fast shiny head tells me he is very hardworking besides very brainy. I am confident that his wisdom will agree with me!

    IS THERE ANY PROSECUTION OF s377a in LEE-jiapore in recent times when it is still in the law book of criminal offence?

    TO AVOID DOUBT, ASK MR. SHANMUGAM

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  • oxygen:

    @ POTUS pardon POTUS

    UNFORTUNATELY, you seems to have got very poor reading comprehension.

    POTUS pardon POTUS:
    You know so little about US knowledge that is openly available. POTUS pardon is outdated? lol.

    TO moan and groan of judicial pardon (IN TRUE LIBERAL DEMOCRACY) in your post here reveals YOUR OUTDATED mindset BENT ON TRIAL BY ORDEAL justice application perhaps.

    Ford Pardoned Nixon is no different to Trump pardoned some of his tribal kind.

    WHAT IS NEW?

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  • oxygen:

    @POTUS pardon POTUS

    Here is something hot from the printing press (online) of how Chinese netizens within China mocking their warped perverted version of “democracy”.

    Go on, read its content if it is also NOT BEYOND your reading comprehension yet again.

    Better than the West? Beijing’s democracy boast draws scorn from Chinese netizens.

    https://sg.yahoo.com/news/better-west-beijing-democracy-boast-131926438.html

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  • POTUS pardon POTUS:

    Do you know how many Australians call Australia a dictatorship? Zero, right?

    oxygen:
    @POTUS pardon POTUS

    Here is something hot from the printing press (online) of how Chinese netizens within China mocking their warped perverted version of “democracy”.

    Go on, read its content if it is also NOT BEYOND your reading comprehension yet again.

    Better than the West? Beijing’s democracy boast draws scorn from Chinese netizens.

    https://sg.yahoo.com/news/better-west-beijing-democracy-boast-131926438.html

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  • oxygen:

    @ POTUS pardon POTUS

    MATE, YOU ARE LOST IN ZOMBIELAND of utter confusion. Please read the title of this thread before you get lost in a maze yet again.

    POTUS pardon POTUS: Do you know how many Australians call Australia a dictatorship? Zero, right

    The writer of this thread brags of “democracy” in China. Chinese netizens in this weblink already provided for your shallow comprehension has this caption.

    sg.yahoo.com :China has been under CCP rule for over 70 years, with freedom of expression and association, free media, and fair elections forbidden.

    AUSTRALIA IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF THIS. But the topical substance in this article thread appertains to China, not Australia.

    Here is the link BELOW again on China’s so-called “democracy”, read its informing contents CAREFULLY before you bark nonsense (your display of reading incomprehension) or irrelevance (of your reference to Australia) yet again.

    https://sg.yahoo.com/news/better-west-beijing-democracy-boast-131926438.html

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  • xoxo:

    To me,neither Americunt democrap$ or China commie$ are good,both are DIRTY,who can honestly deny?

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  • POTUS pardon POTUS:

    Australia is relevant because you are an Australian running down China.

    You refer to that Yahoo post which reports a STRONG BACKLASH but gives only A FEW weibo from China netizens (without even a screenshot as evidence). Only the converted will believe such a propaganda with zero evidence. It is on the same level as genocide of 2 million ughurs. With 1.4 billion population, if no one there complained about the government, I worry.

    My retort to you is how many Australians have said that Australia is a dictatorship. There are thousands, and yet you don’t agree with that. Do I have to explain things so clearly for you to understand?

    oxygen:
    @ POTUS pardon POTUS

    MATE, YOU ARE LOST IN ZOMBIELAND of utter confusion. Please read the title of this thread before you get lost in a maze yet again.

    The writer of this thread brags of “democracy” in China. Chinese netizens in this weblink already provided for your shallow comprehension has this caption.

    AUSTRALIA IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF THIS. But the topical substance in this article thread appertains to China, not Australia.

    Here is the link BELOW again on China’s so-called “democracy”, read its informing contents CAREFULLY before you bark nonsense (your display of reading incomprehension) or irrelevance (of your reference to Australia) yet again.

    https://sg.yahoo.com/news/better-west-beijing-democracy-boast-131926438.html

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  • oxygen:

    @ POTUS pardon POTUS

    FIRST, LET ME THANK YOU FOR THE REJOINDER, your response gives me the opportunity to (I hope) clarify your oft misguided thoughts, and gives some insight into my thinking.

    POTUS pardon POTUS: Australia is relevant because you are an Australian running down China.

    Me running down China? Do I then retort that those commenters on the other side of the fence are ALL CHINESE CHAUVINISTS, by definition of their contrary to my stance? Or they are misinformed of reality? The writing of this thread, I thought, fell flat on his nose, beautifying China’s fake democracy that has no substance of truth in my judgment.

    The oft rebut, talking to foreign expats in China has this refrain – CHINA IS NOT WHAT IT SEEMS TO BE. I seen that first hand and of personal encounters. What is wrong in rebutting what I see (which you took sensitivity as “running down China”) as shallow pandering of reality from this article writing “excited, almost orgasmic, utterance” of his perception of China as the “most democratic government”

    His writing is correct, if the rest of world is all North Korea. My debating contribution in this TRE is reflection of how far the writer’s thought shared veered from reality which I repudiate with examples, even economic logic (soaring skyscrapers is development, not progress etc etc but which you didn’t come on board to challenge which I must respectfully welcome if you did, but most sadly, you didn’t. Your’s is emotional detour to incomprehension is not suited to any debating floor discourse.

    But I am no nationalistic of chauvinism anywhere, I am sure of this. So it is your mistaken detour unsupported. I don’t take offence but constantly want to pull you back into the debating floor on “China the most democratic government in the world” fantasy hallucination. More on that a little later in this thread.

    Your poser (and your own supplied the answer to that) debased you and the debate.

    POTUS pardon POTUS: Do you know how many Australians call Australia a dictatorship? Zero, right?

    How do you know the “correct” answer is “zero”? I don’t know the PRECISE answer! so I can’t reply you!! But I am confident that there is at least “three” including me, of course

    You haven’t seen me rubbish Australia?

    Donald Chip, Australian Democrat shouted – keep the bastards honest”

    https://www.lexico.com/definition/keep_the_bastards_honest

    Michael Head wrote his denunciation of jailing of Pauline Hanson in a law website.

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/AltLawJl/2003/93.pdf

    I applaud both – that makes at least 3 person denouncing democracy failures in Australia.

    BUT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT CHINA!

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  • oxygen:

    @ POTUS pardon POTUS

    Adding to my preceding post of December 12, 2021 at 8:48 am, I am certain you have never heard of the “democratic” side of Australia – the real thing that will be simply covered up or silenced in China.

    What does CCP/XJP has to say about this politically explosive allegation?

    Tennis star Peng Shuai missing after accusing Chinese politician of sexual assault

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLKNNVA4GMU

    The accused is retired Vice Premier Zhang Gaoli. Was his membership of the CCP suspended to allow an investigation to get underway? Remember under CCP regime, members of CCP cannot be punished until he/she is sacked prior.

    In contrast to somewhat similar accusations of sexual harassment of powerful and politically protected endangered specie – THE INVESTIGATION DOOR IS IMMEDIATE THROWN WIDE OPEN, and let the discovery of truth and justice finds its natural course to undisturbed conclusion. Here it is

    High Court inquiry finds former justice Dyson Heydon sexually harassed associates

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/high-court-inquiry-finds-former-justice-dyson-heydon-sexually-harassed-associates-20200622-p5550w.html

    After the High Court enquiry established its findings, more allegations flooded in months later.

    Former High Court Judge, Justice Dyson Heydon faces further sexual harassment complaints

    https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=9273552c-87f5-4341-9b23-fa3db74f1ff3

    WHICH POWERFUL FIGURE IS PROTECTED SPECIE in Australia?

    And you see this happened on the Parliamentary floor – senator, Jacqui Lambie launched a blistering attack on PM ScoMo with these unrestrained blast.

    Worst PM on record’: Jacqui Lambie launches extraordinary attack on Prime Minister Scott Morrison

    Independent Senator Jacqui Lambie has delivered a blistering attack on Prime Minister Scott Morrison, labelling him the “worst PM on record”.

    Is something untoward going to happen to J. Lambie or her family for this bucketing (of shameful excr*ment) on ScoMo on the parliamentary floor?

    OI OI OI, NOTHING HAS HAPPENED TO HER OR HER FAMILY,right?

    You think XJP and CCP in China equally gracious of political challenge to its legitimacy on the floor of annual party conference in Beijing?

    WOULDN’T THE CONSEQUENCES WILL BE GRAVE FOR ANYONE UTTERING POLITICAL INCORRECTNESS in its “parliamentary session”

    The late Li WenLiang, famous Wuhan, whistle-blowing doctor, was hauled in, interrogated by public security officials and forced to sign a CONFESSION of alleged false utterance, allegedly causing social unrest and instability.

    But unknown to CCP, the news leak hit global media headline alongside the Covid pandemic spread. Right under the nose and eyes of world’s notice, the “most democratic government in the world” tried to bury his private emails to fellow doctors (he did NOT leaked anything to the social media).

    WTF!

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  • oxygen:

    @ POTUS pardon POTUS

    Extending from my two preceding post moment ago, you never heard of the MABO court decision??

    Mabo v Queensland (No 2) (commonly known as Mabo) is a decision of the High Court of Australia, decided on 3 June 1992. It is a landmark case, brought by Eddie Mabo against the State of Queensland.

    Eddie Mabo fought and WON for aboriginal land rights against Queensland – established laws which stood still for over 200 years since Australia became a federation of commonwealth states was OVERTURNED.

    And who is Eddie Mabo?

    Mabo worked on pearling boats, as a cane cutter, and as a railway fettler before becoming a gardener at James Cook University in Townsville, Queensland at age 31.

    No money for legal court fees, no legal assistance from anywhere, no legal expertise of his own, not even another peasant stood by him, he fought from the state to federal court level and finally the High Court of Australia.

    AT EACH STAGE OF THE WAY, THE SITTING JUDGES HEARD HIM, patiently and respectfully – agreeing or disagreeing notwithstanding.

    And he won in the last frontier and final round!

    THIS IS REAL DEMOCRACY IN AUSTRALIA.

    @ POTUS pardon POTUS, you think this type of MABO LAND RIGHT CLAIMS could happen in CHINA-land if any farmers/peasants resist (and fight back corrupt developers/corrupt CCP officials on the take) in Chinese court rooms asserting – THIS IS MY LAND PAID FOR BY MY PRECEDING GENERATION AND GIFTED TO ME by my parent?

    I have roamed in China and I know what will likely to happen. The political powerful and protected specie simply will send in the bulldozer and let thuggery takes the cake.

    THE WRITING IN THIS THREAD – CHINA HAS THE MOST DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT – is living in fantasy dreamland of complete detachment from reality of what is going on in China and what democracy means elsewhere.

    I wonder what his comments and assertions will be after (and if) he read through the yahoo weblink I noted for your (and TRE readers) attention and what I contrast to democracy in Australia (at your invitation in this thread).

    https://sg.yahoo.com/news/better-west-beijing-democracy-boast-131926438.html

    REMEMBER THIS – China has been under CCP rule for over 70 years, with freedom of expression and association, free media, and fair elections forbidden.

    Those who supported the writer of this thread would do justice to themselves if they do some reflections. Ask the Chinese netizens yet again this -

    Better than the West? Beijing’s democracy boast draws scorn from Chinese netizens

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  • Ozzygen:

    After a decade of imprisonment, Assange has a stroke.

    https://www.rt.com/uk/542938-assange-stroke-belmarsh-prison/

    Australian MPs are not happy that their PM does nothing for Assange.

    https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/australia/australia-politicians-urge-pm-scott-morrison-intervene-in-julian-assanges-us-extradition.html

    Someone here no concern that Assange stays in prison, even though he is damn concern about how China’s whistleblowers are treated. Hypocrisy.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Ozzygen

    WHO in particular in this big wide world and how do you know, other than your own (likely FALSE) speculative conjecture?

    Ozzygen: Someone here no concern that Assange stays in prison

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  • POTUS pardon POTUS:

    When it is a China sexual assault case, you people demand 24 hr investigation, resolution and execution.

    Look at Trump.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

    How many of the 20+ sexual assault accusations have the US investigated after so many years? Do you people ask about the safety of these women every day? Have they been intimidated? Many of them have not appeared for a long time, have they been “disappeared”?

    This is a plain smearing campaign against China that the ignorant jumps in. Give China police time to work, the same as you people give US police time, 10, 20, 30 years to decide whether or not to investigate Trump.

    oxygen:

    What does CCP/XJP has to say about this politically explosive allegation?

    Tennis star Peng Shuai missing after accusing Chinese politician of sexual assault

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  • oxygen:

    POTUS pardon POTUS

    YOU SUDDENLY PIVOT from lambasting Australia (in failed vanity and excited utterance here) to America. Why not the world? If not, why not point the figure at another black sheep – the late Shah of Iran before is downfall.

    POTUS pardon POTUS: When it is a China sexual assault case, you people demand 24 hr investigation, resolution and execution.

    The late Mao Tze Tung somehow fell out of your scanning radar. He was a vile womaniser – 4 wives couldn’t satisfy his virulent appetite. Beautiful singers and theatre dancers could not satisfy his lust. Who investigate Mao? His private doctor wrote a book entitled – the private life of Mao – (after fleeing to America) and exposed his ravaging appetite for sensous women.

    How many publishing in China dare open this can of worm in China?

    Nobody demand 24 hr investigation, resolution and execution of politically powerful sexual exploits and harassment in China – THE ONLY TRUTH IS THAT IT IS SILENT in media inside – ALL COVERED UP because (otherwise) the CCP legitimacy is threatened.

    Trump’s escapades are all in the media – women voted the way they did in 2020 – with informed mind and knowledge of his behavior

    IN CHINA, DO THE PEASANTS INDIVIDUALLY VOTE FOR POLITICAL PARTY? Got uncensored media and freedom of expression? In Ah Tiong land, they don’t have POFMA AND PICA like ghostly creation, THEY SIMPLY COFFIN all truths.

    There is no WhatsApp in China, only We Chat and Wiebo with an army of censor ready in split seconds to distort and delete the truth from public circulation.

    WELCOME TO THE REAL CHINA OF ALL FICTION appearing like reality.

    FOREIGNERS IN CHINA TOLD ME – CHINA IS NOT WHAT IT SEEMS TO BE – they are all correct. I am seeing it now.

    SHAME SHAME SHAME.

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  • oxygen:

    @ POTUS pardon POTUS

    CHINA is like a blank piece of white (look innocent) paper, the CCP paints whatever picture they like.

    The writer of this article thread is in hallucination of the same distorted yet powerful simplicity of his rainbow beautiful colorisation but failed aggrandisation of WHAT IS TRULY an ugly CHINA.

    LIKE I SAID TO YOU EARLIER IN THIS THREAD.

    oxygen: His writing is correct, if the rest of world is all North Korea

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  • POTUS pardon POTUS:

    You go all over the shop. How to reply to you?
    You mention Mao. Ok, then, we go back to the slave owner POTUS and how blacks did not get to vote until recently. Yes, when China became PRC, USA wasn’t a democracy. Australia got even more troubles in those years, with whites hunting down natives like the Royals go fox hunting.

    oxygen:
    POTUS pardon POTUS

    YOU SUDDENLY PIVOT from lambasting Australia (in failed vanity and excited utterance here) to America. Why not the world? If not, why not point the figure at another black sheep – the late Shah of Iran before is downfall.

    The late Mao Tze Tung somehow fell out of your scanning radar. He was a vile womaniser – 4 wives couldn’t satisfy his virulent appetite. Beautiful singers and theatre dancers could not satisfy his lust. Who investigate Mao? His private doctor wrote a book entitled – the private life of Mao – (after fleeing to America) and exposed his ravaging appetite for sensous women.

    How many publishing in China dare open this can of worm in China?

    Nobody demand 24 hr investigation, resolution and execution of politically powerful sexual exploits and harassment in China – THE ONLY TRUTH IS THAT IT IS SILENT in media inside – ALL COVERED UP because (otherwise) the CCP legitimacy is threatened.

    Trump’s escapades are all in the media – women voted the way they did in 2020 – with informed mind and knowledge of his behavior

    IN CHINA, DO THE PEASANTS INDIVIDUALLY VOTE FOR POLITICAL PARTY? Got uncensored media and freedom of expression? In Ah Tiong land, they don’t have POFMA AND PICA like ghostly creation, THEY SIMPLY COFFIN all truths.

    There is no WhatsApp in China, only We Chat and Wiebo with an army of censor ready in split seconds to distort and delete the truth from public circulation.

    WELCOME TO THE REAL CHINA OF ALL FICTION appearing like reality.

    FOREIGNERS IN CHINA TOLD ME – CHINA IS NOT WHAT IT SEEMS TO BE – they are all correct. I am seeing it now.

    SHAME SHAME SHAME.

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  • POTUS pardon POTUS:

    Since you like to talk about Australia, this is the speed (turtle speed) that Australia investigates.

    https://www.youngwitness.com.au/story/7019884/timeline-of-afghan-war-crime-allegations/

    For years, since 2006/2009, there were allegations of Australia war crimes in Afghan. Your soldiers were shooting Afghans for fun. Only in 2016, there was an investigation. Until now, nobody has gone to court. What kind of democracy do you have in Australia?

    oxygen: YOU SUDDENLY PIVOT from lambasting Australia (in failed vanity and excited utterance here) to America. Why not the world?

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  • God Worshipping:

    ”The Private Life of Chairman Mao: The Memoirs of Mao’s Personal Physician is a memoir by Li Zhisui, one of the physicians to Mao Zedong, former Chairman of the Communist Party of China, which was first published in 1994. Li had emigrated to the United States in the years after Mao’s death”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Private_Life_of_Chairman_Mao
    Mao is still worship as a god in commieland.
    Even though he wanted cremation, CCP plasticised him and put him on permanent public display.
    ”Although Mao had wished to be cremated, his wishes were ignored and his body was embalmed.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mausoleum_of_Mao_Zedong
    Commie CCP worshippers, like TKL, really need to buck up on their history
    @oxygen: Is it not ironic that worshipper like TKL does not know that the Private physician of Mao have to emigrate to the ‘not-so-democratic’ USA from the ‘most-democratic-CCPland.’
    This speak volumes.

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  • oxygen:

    @ POTUS pardon POTUS

    YOUR OBVIOUS CONVOLUTED TWISTS AND SPINS speak everything with clarity of your lack of interest in rigorous debate.

    POTUS pardon POTUS: You go all over the shop. How to reply to you?
    You mention Mao. Ok, then, we go back to the slave owner POTUS and how blacks did not get to vote until recently. Yes, when China became PRC, USA wasn’t a democracy. Australia got even more troubles in those years, with whites hunting down natives like the Royals go fox hunting.

    IT STARTS WITH YOUR DETOUR to American presidency (implied) when this thread is about democracy in China or its devilish pretensions.

    POTUS pardon POTUS: Great American Justice: President pardons President and pardons all the criminals who worked for them.

    That’s the open America Justice!

    Have people forgotten that oral sex is not sex!

    It even took a spin of detour to “oral sex” apparently in reference to Bill Clinton’s conduct in office – THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DEMOCRACY failing.
    On the contrary, B. Clinton was hounded by K. Starr for 4 years and impeached for offence.

    The allegation led to the impeachment of Bill Clinton and the five-year suspension of Clinton’s law license.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Starr

    WHAT A DERANGED MIND SELF-EXPOSED OF irrelevant thoughts you imported into this thread.

    You knew next to nothing about American recent history, but barked loud. Nor of law precepts it appears you are similarly virgin of. I noted my you studiously avoid debate my argument that law is an evolving social phenomena as the world changed including s377A application in Sinkieland too.

    You tried very hard to denigrate Australian democratic values and institutions, but failed to. I won’t even bother to bargain a dialogue of your reference to war crimes in Afghanistan now underway. Why? It is obvious you know next to nothing on democratic practices Down Under – the Mabo decision is an obvious one you chosen to ignored when informed.

    China is a hopeless case of twisted morals – the same is apparent in this conversation. Even a little doctor doing his God-given skills to save lives like the late Li WenLiang is screwed. The next thing is your pets might not be safe from Commie’s dictatorship beyond your own family if you dare to write truthfulness like some of the TRE readers here.

    THANK YOU AND GOODBYE to this gibberish detour to fiction of Chinese democracy.

    The rest of us knows

    oxygen: CHINA is like a blank piece of white (look innocent) paper, the CCP paints whatever picture they like.

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  • oxygen:

    @ God Worshipping

    IT IS PATENTLY OBVIOUS THAT China-worshiping chauvinists walking on water. A few minutes of rebut will see them drowned to death from sinking.

    God Worshipping: oxygen: Is it not ironic that worshipper like TKL does not know that the Private physician of Mao have to emigrate to the ‘not-so-democratic’ USA from the ‘most-democratic-CCPland.’
    This speak volumes.

    But they bet your life or money on them fading away in humiliation. The defence?

    Oh reduce the contextual reality to fiction by resorting to simplicity but sweeping false generalisations not found on facts and reality. Just look at this EXCITED EXAGGERATION example of utter falsehood.

    POTUS pardon POTUS: Yes, when China became PRC, USA wasn’t a democracy. Australia got even more troubles in those years, with whites hunting down natives like the Royals go fox hunting.

    When China became PRC (after the civil war against Koumintang) USA’s wasn’t a democracy yet?

    And in THE SAME TIME INTERVAL – Australia, the whites hunting down natives like the Royals go fox hunting?

    I DID SAY THAT you might find those rubbish rants in Chinese published version of historical records, not anywhere else in the world.

    IT IS SIMPLICITY OF DISTORTION WELL MESHED IN GIBBERISH RANTINGS.

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  • oxygen:

    @ God Worshiping

    Sorry typo error in the caption below

    oxygen: But they bet your life or money on them fading away in humiliation

    it should be read as

    oxygen: But DONT bet your life or money on them fading away in humiliation

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  • POTUS pardon POTUS:

    TKL talks about China now. You keep going back to history. Surprisingly, your knowledge of recent history is very poor. That’s why you keep spouting nonsense about US, Australia and China.

    If you insist that US was a democracy in the 50′s, go check up how the non-whites were living then. You should also check up how your white Australians treated Chinese and natives in early 1900s. If you can go back 70 years to Mao, you can go back a few more years for Australia.

    On a related point, your great MABO case is the exception that proves how bad the Australia system was and still is. Thank you for highlighting that case frequently.

    oxygen: When China became PRC (after the civil war against Koumintang) USA’s wasn’t a democracy yet?

    And in THE SAME TIME INTERVAL – Australia, the whites hunting down natives like the Royals go fox hunting?

    I DID SAY THAT you might find those rubbish rants in Chinese published version of historical records, not anywhere else in the world.

    IT IS SIMPLICITY OF DISTORTION WELL MESHED IN GIBBERISH RANTINGS.

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  • POTUS pardon POTUS:

    This thread is about “best democracy”. Of course, every country in the world, past and present, is a candidate for comparison. What talking you about DETOUR?

    oxygen: IT STARTS WITH YOUR DETOUR to American presidency (implied) when this thread is about democracy in China or its devilish pretensions.

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  • oxygen:

    @ POTUS pardon POTUS

    TO AVOID DOUBTS, YOU go and ask the “ghost” of the late Dr, Li Wenliang.

    POTUS pardon POTUS: TKL talks about China now…..This thread is about “best democracy”

    Your key catchwords (not mine) is “best” so-called democracy and China “now”.

    And if you are still unconvinced, ask Xi JinPing this

    : :China has been under CCP rule for over 70 years, with freedom of expression and association, free media, and fair elections forbidden.

    AND IF THAT STILL DOES NOT SATISFY YOUR APPETITE for scrapping the barrel bottom for SIMPLISTIC FALSITY OF YOUR ASSERTIONS here in cover, go on slapping your butt in proud celebration of its unlimited capacity “wisdom” concoctions of history of US, China and Australia.

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  • Real democracy:

    Oxygen, stop being an oxymoron.

    In the USA, democracy, human rights, freedom of choice, etc etc are only meant for white men even till today.

    Ask the blacks about human rights and democracy today and black slavery in the past.

    Ask the native Americans about human rights, democracy, freedom, rights to their land, even today.

    Remove your blinkers and grow up. For a man of your age, you looked pathetic to be stuck with only one version of truth, the American version of fake truth.

    Ask the Arabs, ask the Palestinians, the Cubans, Iranians, North Koreans, what is the meaning of freedom of choice to choose their own way of life and political systems.

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  • Ozzygen:

    A white Australian’s view on the anti-China media in Australia.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO3lBLUgphw

    “Tensions between Australia and China are at an all-time high.

    Recently, Australia, the US, and the UK announced the #AUKUS agreement – which may see Australia have nuclear-powered submarines at its disposal in decades to come. But, there is an even more dangerous weapon that has been deployed in Australia that is being used to scare you into silence as we speak. ”

    Many normal Australians are brainwashed by their media. The non-brainwashed ones who speak up, are targeted by the media. From the misinformation repeated non-stop by a certain commentator here, he belongs to the first group.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Real democracy

    US VOTERS chose Barack Obama, then D.Trump, and now Joe Biden.

    Who is next?

    Real democracy: Ask the Arabs, ask the Palestinians, the Cubans, Iranians, North Koreans, what is the meaning of freedom of choice to choose their own way of life and political systems.

    In Palestine, Cuba, Iran, and particularly North Korea, who they have of choices presented?

    In China, do INDIVIDUAL peasants got a choice between XJP (instead of another alternative)??

    At least Richard Nixon (Republican) and Bill Clinton (Democrat) got impeached.

    You dare to impeach XJP or Mao Tze Tung?

    WAKE UP, mate. You either live on a different planet or in a different time era from the rest of inhabitants on this planet.

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  • oxygen:

    @ Ozzygen

    You reckon your gibberish ranting – relying on sensational presentation in U-tube is credible?

    Welcome back, but I don’t attach much significance to your utterance after this episode, other than AUKUS you pointed out here is real and I strongly disagree with ScoMo on his confrontational policy stance toward China (it is no good for the world’s economic IMHO).

    oxygen: SO YOU TOLD TWO PIVOT LIES IN ONE POST – but the poor consolation for you is this reality……

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  • POTUS pardon POTUS:

    You think China must follow US? What is the point of impeachment? It is a lot of fireworks just for show. Was Clinton removed from office? NO. Was he tainted? NO. He campaigned for others after his terms.

    Trump was impeached. What happen after that? Nothing. Confirmed that impeachment is a wayang played by two parties.

    oxygen: At least Richard Nixon (Republican) and Bill Clinton (Democrat) got impeached.

    You dare to impeach XJP or Mao Tze Tung?

    You ask so naive questions. Do Singaporean peasants have a choice between LHL and another alternative? Do US peasants have a choice outside the two persons chosen by 2 parties. Is there a 3rd choice? Do US peasants even get to directly choose the President? NO.

    oxygen: In China, do INDIVIDUAL peasants got a choice between XJP (instead of another alternative)??

    Don’t hide your lousy history knowledge with a butt slapping insult. When did USA become a democracy, according to your understanding? 1776? lol.

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  • oxygen:

    POTUS pardon POTUS

    WAYANG COMES only from you! Nixon forced to resign from Presidential office and left history to disgrace him. Bill Clinton lost his law practicing licence for 5 years – a lot of income lost and a stain of shame in his political career and history record.

    POTUS pardon POTUS: Confirmed that impeachment is a wayang played by two parties.

    WHO IN CHINA DARE TO SHAME XJP?

    What a consummated liar!!

    And this cobra-sn*ke bite at reality contradiction.

    POTUS pardon POTUS: Do US peasants even get to directly choose the President?

    If they (given the forced choices of competing parties) dislike Obama, Trump or Biden, the voters CAN choose the other party (AND THEREFORE THE KNOWN CONSEQUENCE of that decision choice “decide” who will be the next president.

    DIDN’T THAT HAPPENED?

    Which ghost – real or apparent – is competing against XJP for the top job in China when only CCP is the only party and is the one and only one party leader installed from within?

    Can the late Li Wenliang write a Facebook article fiacking XiJinPing for the mistreatment from powerful CCP party officials he got for the virus outbreak which he is not responsible or spreading its news around?

    Bill Clinton, Nixon and Trump were humiliated – all in the news read in America and across the globe.

    IS THIS NOT DEMOCRACY AT WORK?

    CHINA IS – AS I AM FORCED TO REPEATEDLY STRESS HERE – NOT WHAT IT SEEMS TO BE.

    In this fake political culture, HOW CAN DEMOCRACY GERMINATES, let alone this fiction of boasting the “best democracy” (your catchwords, not mine again) in the world.

    ANOTHER LIAR OF FICTION STORY TELLING. In my lingo, butt wisdom slapping of ownself in self-admiration.

    STILL NOT ENOUGH SELF-DEGRADATION in this TR E thread??

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  • POTUS pardon POTUS:

    After so long, you still dare not state clearly whether US was a democracy in 1950. What are you scare of?

    The way you keep using (abusing) Li Wenliang is plainly disgusting. What exactly do you think happened to him? Where is your source of information?

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  • @TKL:

    Does China have democracy?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI2rQ4whhnk

    This video is for TKL, and anybody else who is interested.

    Sports and film people are doing government policies. In Singapore, we get politicians to do sports, and we know the results.

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  • Its democracy is egalitarian?:

    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/commentary/china-economy-xi-jinping-common-prosperity-tax-reform-economic-inequality-2375636

    China doesn’t actually have a ‘common prosperity’ campaign:
    President Xi Jinping’s egalitarian credentials are much weaker than the West pretends. But if China’s have-nots nurture hopes for a better future, they have no one else to look to, says Chinese national Prof. Wei Cui of the Univ. of British Columbia.

    https://historyproject.allard.ubc.ca/law-history-project/profile/wei-cui

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  • oxygen:

    @ POTUS pardon POTUS

    YOU UTTERED these words/thought caption below, right?

    POTUS pardon POTUS: You think China must follow US?

    It is UNPROMPTED! That is to say, your VOLUNTARY CONFESSION and acknowledgement that China’s politics and governance in your clear mind,is archaic, dilapidated, ancient and barbaric of backwardness relative to all other liberal democracies, particularly the USA in your voluntary confession.

    How come you haven/t mentioned the reverse?

    If you deny this EXCITED UTTERANCE of self-confession and what that means of relevance to the above compelling conclusions, it means either you

    - are a consummated liar in self-delusion

    or

    - a wild 4-legged specie walking around with two d*cks with integrity below the belly of a cobra sn*ke.

    BUT IF YOU CONFESS NOW TO MY CONCLUSION ABOVE, you know you are finally smart of earnest truthful confession that China’s “best democracy” is fiction and a lie of your self-deluded construction.

    Now you really can slap hard on your “butt wisdom” having finally woke up to reality.

    No need this pretension any further of your gaming play of a liar’s poker with this ploy.

    POTUS pardon POTUS: After so long, you still dare not state clearly whether US was a democracy in 1950. What are you scare of?

    China’s political powerful CCP elites and the richest tycoon sent their kids to American, UK, Australian universities. An educational opportunity in US universities is too precious to miss a slip – BRIBED THEIR WAY INTO IVY LEAGUE UNIVERSITY ADMISSION.

    How come no richest and brightest American, Australia, Canadian, EU students all dashing into China fighting for education opportunities among leading Chinese universities?

    In US/Canadian/Australian/UK, they learnt liberal values and many stayed behind instead of returning to VERY RICH CHINESE FAMILIES. Those Chinese brightest scholars know how sh*t is China compared to their enriched lives in the West.

    Education and culture are evolving institutions, they shaped politics and government. If liberal democracy in the West is SO DANGEROUS, how come Chinese princelings and princesses got sent by THEIR OWN PARENTS AND GOVERNMENT ON SCHOLARSHIPS to SUCH DANGEROUS, maybe inferior quality too, POLITICAL SETTING which might one day overturn the CCP of China?

    In contrast, westerners like Ray Dalio, founder of the world’s largest hedge funds – Bridgewater Associates, spent a FEW DECADES inside China and return to America to make his fortune. How come he doesn’t “make love” to CCP unlike Chinese high tech entrepreneurs and now find themselves screwed by CCP.

    Now take off your knickers and smack your butt again of “stupidity” exposed.

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  • oxygen:

    @ POTUS pardon POTUS

    AND ADDING ON THE PRECEDING, this one takes the cake for the “mother of all confessions- your unprompted again”.

    POTUS pardon POTUS: The way you keep using (abusing) Li Wenliang is plainly disgusting. What exactly do you think happened to him? Where is your source of information?

    If Li Wenliang referencing here is my fabricated construct of fiction, you WOULD HAVE DENIED it but YOU SPOKE of such a name and event as “plainly disgusting” (instead of perhaps, no such a happening existing).

    It is, in your tongue and mind – “plainly disgusting”. I am certain you got this one right of my mind too – IT IS PLAINLY DISGUSTING.

    Out of a population size of 1.4 billion walking specie of “yellow culture” description, THE CCP got to be agitated and retaliated against a sole (otherwise inconspicuous to be totally un-noticed of living existence) doctor practicing his profession of holy calling to save life.

    The CCP hauled him in – m*st*rbate his physical social and profession space of right to self-expression and humble & pious Divine-given calling of a consummated healthcare professional practising his skilled trade.

    He supplied a “confession” before CCP withdrew and reprimanded the hospital establishment for negligence and incompetence handling.

    In any political system, if the establishment is fearful of intrusion and questioning OF JUST ONE LONG RANGER, it is a BROKEN OPPRESSIVE POLITICS AND CULTURE hell-bent on destroying each and every member suspected of disloyalty or suspicious of rotting and rorting corruption within.

    CORRUPT AND OPPRESSIVE DICTATORSHIP lives in a state of permanent fear of the remotest sign of challenge from within and without.

    IT IS PARANOIA unlimited displayed of the CCP whilst the world is staring at the “Wuhan” virus outbreak in China.

    THIS IS CHINA – political and corrupt oppression – exposed to the world to see.

    AND YOU AND SOME STRANGE SPECIES HERE calls it “best democracy” in the world?

    Now take off your pants and slapped your butt “wisdom” to maximum decibel of loudness impact and self-adulation of stupidity exposed here in TR E.

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