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Should women do National Service?

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Should women do National Service (NS) now and societal cost will ‘far outweight benefits’ – Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen.

I beg to differ. Let me explain.

NS is more than just military service. It could take the form of nursing, after school care, pre-school care and senior care etc.

In the face of a fast aging population and the high influx of new citizens, we could start off women NS modestly with female new citizens on a smaller scale, learn and understand more as we progress and then scale-up.

Life anywhere is a matter of give and take and not just come to take and take in the form of peace, prosperity, convenience, opportunities, jobs, subsidised public housing, subsidised public healthcare, subsidised public education, subsidised public transport and much more.

Serving NS is collective contribution towards our nation building at the national level.

Concerns such as women delay into the workforce, reduction in household incomes, making manpower issues in other industries worse and cost to women, families and children are all valid concerns and they will easily impress simple-minded suckerporeans but they are not fatal and are far from being unsolvable challenges.
Men serving their NS duty follow by > a decade of reservist obligations extract no less demand from them, their families and our economy but over the decades and across generations, individuals, families and employers accept and adjust accordingly.

For women to serve NS, having teething problems are inevitable but over time, people and companies will likewise accept, adjust and adapt accordingly and we will and must emerge stronger together.

Ng further added that if Singapore ever faces an ‘existence threat’, SAF would call on the government to enlist not only women but teenagers and older men lalala…

My reply to Ng EN is never, never be a naive old fool. It will be Singaporeans who must eventually pay dearly for their government’s stupidity and lapse of good judgement.

The world is a dangerous place and events beyond our control can turn bad and dangerous very unexpectedly and quickly. Never ever forget that you cannot fatten the pig on market day.

I repeat. You cannot fatten the pig on market day! If the defence minister is serious, he will find a way, otherwise, he will find excuses for not doing it.

Think.

 

Simon Lim

 

 

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21 Responses to “Should women do National Service?”

  • Simple Simon:

    Don’t be stewpig. Woman should not be conscripted. Man, also, should not be conscripted.

    Don’t grandeurise conscription by calling it “serve NS.” You know how many young men and their families got destroyed by conscription?

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  • Singaporeans R Free Rider:

    NS is more than just military service. It could take the form of nursing, after school care, pre-school care and senior care etc.
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    Hi Simon,
    I agreed with you. Please push for it.

    Also, if you could include washing M113 after our ORNS finished their field exercise.

    Washing M113 is like washing your own car, it is not difficult for women.

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  • New requisite for miniSTIR od:

    They always say it is not how BIG your country IS!

    The Pappies always say that we are a SMALL country Very timidly!

    It is NEVER how big or SMALL WE are!

    It is ALWAYS HOW STRONG WE ARE!

    Including all Women in NS will Certainly make us STRONGER……….both in terms of SHARED commitment AND SACRIFICE!

    What’s wrong with that?

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  • illiterate pap voters:

    In a nation where almost 50% of its residents are aliens PRs, serving NSF is a NO NO.

    This applies to men.

    And it also applies to women.

    We say without remorse this simon is cock. If you read his writings closely, you will realize he is non degreed piece of cock.

    We always believe a degree is a must, even if it is from Horseshoe U, except if it is from Sunway U. Without a degree, the mind wonders and the mouth talks cock.

    Don’t be cock, simon. Serving NSF to defend what? pap folks Maserati Mercedes bungalow condo?

    Don’t be cock.

    NSF is a waste of time in pap island.

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  • xoxo:

    Maybe Puthucheary could send his wife or daughter(if any) to make up for his AWOL?

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  • Harder Truths:

    Women should be conscripted. They want equal everything. OK – let the equally serve and equally die for $nkieland. Why should only the men sacrifice? Is this not the age of equality? Why should they get all the benefits for free? Conscript the whole lot of them and also Reservist. This will teach them about how NS men are ‘rewarded’ when getting jobs and increase their ‘loyalty’.

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  • Smart Nation:

    With nearly half the nation comprising foreigners who flood the country, there is no more reason for young Singaporeans to have to serve NS. Singaporeans have done their part for the last 50+ years, while foreigners come in to reap the fruits of our sacrifice. Get these foreigners to do NS and NSR to prove their loyalty before giving them citizemship. Better to have a regular full-time, physically fit and well-trained soldiers instead of consripts. Otherwise, hire merceneries to fight your war. Why sacrifice your young men in war, like what Russia is doing by sending young and inexperienced conscripts to the front-line to be slaughtered? Conscripted soldiers do not do well in war – eg Falklands War, Iraq War, and Putin’s War. The one exception is Israel, and that is because the Jews have a long history of subjugation by foreign powers and faces an existential threat.

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    NEH is the moron who couldn’t even ensured that our Terrex’s were securely shipped through international routes that can easily bypass port-calls like HK/China. He cited “more than 20 years experience” yet he obviously doesn’t know a thing about the need to check the shipping documents by both the Consignor (SG gov aka Owner) and the Consignee (SAF aka NEH’s subordinate) of the Terrex’s, instead readily blamed the Shipper (APL aka scapegoat).

    On his argument about societal costs and benefits. Again he must be a moron – after years and years of drumming up the importance of Total Defense, he now say societal costs is more important than preparing our womenfolk to acquire essential skills (e.g. medics, non-direct-combat roles, etc) that WILL help us in times of war or crisis – even Ukrainian women are flying drones in the current war against Russia. Obviously, $$$ and economy is first and foremost in the Pappies’ calculations.

    Thank you Ah Hen for showing that PAP-run gov is NOT SINCERE in whatever it says. He makes Total Defense sounds like Total Bullshxt now.

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    xoxo:
    Maybe Puthucheary could send his wife or daughter(if any) to make up for his AWOL?

    Also, JT will cited she is making babies in small spaces (like maybe in the PM office toilet with her Boss) as her contribution to NS, hor.

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  • yes sir yes mdm:

    aiyoh. keep women out lar (at least, they can stay immune from indoctrination at a young ripe age and at least 1/2 of the sexes can stay braver ??) ?,

    males servicing 2 years + X no. of years worth reservists gao jiak lat liao and yet face the possibility of getting their jobs ‘stolen’ from FTs who do not need to serve ???

    we do not want hor both sexes of sinkies in their ripe age of 18+ to yes sir yes mdm here and there (mechanically conditioned to the tune of authorities ??) and bring along this conditioning to their adulthood ??

    should have professional soldiers and $$$ saved from non-compulsory conscription of all others will go to better paid professional soldiers lar ???

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  • NotMyProblem:

    Men or women doing NS, what is it for? What are we defending now?

    Every 1 in 2 persons you meet on the street is a foreigner! Every other person in your office is a foreigner! Sometime your boss is also a foreigner! If you cannot even defend your jobs, you want to defend your country?

    Just to give you an idea how many foreigners are in Singapore; everyday there is half a million Malaysians enter SG to work. There are at least another half million of PRC, Myanmar, Thai, Indonesian, Pinoys, Viet, etc. in SG doing your jobs. All these excluding those already turned citizens!

    Any of these nationals already in the Singapore, is enough to out strength the whole of Singapore’s Armed Forces!

    NSmen are now defending the rich and the elites! NSmen is only required to hold back the enemy long enough for the rich and elites to move their money/asset from SG when there is trouble.

    Only those pioneer NSmen knew what they were defending. But now, I don’t think any NSmen know what are they defending! Even the generals don’t know what they are doing, except waiting to join the PAP eventually.

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  • opposition dude:

    We have to ask ourselves this, why is it that ladies in other countries can serve but Singapore is so special? What is it that makes these ladies in other countries serve in their respective armies? A lot more females than in SIngapore maybe? More favourable environment perhaps?

    Whatever it is since PAP loves telling us all that national defence is important and that we are small and vunerable as well as Ukraine vs Russia or a potential Taiwan vs China conflict we still haven’t moved on from our dinosaur thinking. There are pros and cons about our ladies serving NS but there has never been more said or done about this, it’s always just talk and talk and forgotten only to be brought up again years later.

    The SAFVC is a good test ground for female soldiers since PAP loves being divisive. What with new citizens, PRs and our own local ladies being able to volunteer for this it would be a good start. But as long as legislation isn’t changed and more women don’t step up to defend the country then this will only go so far.

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  • Partial truth?:

    @ The one exception is Israel, and that is because the Jews have a long history of subjugation by foreign powers and faces an existential threat.

    So, you are in or against ?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Israel_Defense_Forces

    Service requirements
    The mandated military service requirement for Jewish-Israeli women is 24 months, apart from specified roles that instead require a service length of 30 months. Women may be exempted from military service for reasons of religious conscience, marriage, pregnancy, or motherhood.

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  • AristoCATs - Know-it-All ?:

    “Societal cost will ‘far outweigh benefits’ – Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen.

    -
    Is that statement –
    * an opinion?
    * Result of study/research?
    -
    2022 – they should lay out more info. . .

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    Else, it is “opinion” of AristoCATs !

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  • Smart Nation:

    Partial truth?:
    @ The one exception is Israel, and that is because the Jews have a long history of subjugation by foreign powers and faces an existential threat.

    So, you are in or against ?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Israel_Defense_Forces

    Service requirements
    The mandated military service requirement for Jewish-Israeli women is 24 months, apart from specified roles that instead require a service length of 30 months. Women may be exempted from military service for reasons of religious conscience, marriage, pregnancy, or motherhood.

    If NS is compulsory for boys, then it should be made compulsory for girls as well (to be fair to the guys), but in a non-combat role. For example, they can be trained in nursing, sdministration, logistics and cyber warfare, which do not involve frontline. Otherwise, make military service and civil defence voluntary. Some may even decide to sign on as regulars if they like their vocation; they will also become PAP supporters for life! If it is mandatory, girls who wish to avoid conscription may be motivated to marry at 18 (like our grandmother’s time) and get pregnant to help increase the TFR! That is also considered National Service. LOL! Wouldn’t the PAP like that?

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  • Smart Nation:

    Partial truth?:
    @ The one exception is Israel, and that is because the Jews have a long history of subjugation by foreign powers and faces an existential threat.

    So, you are in or against ?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Israel_Defense_Forces

    Service requirements
    The mandated military service requirement for Jewish-Israeli women is 24 months, apart from specified roles that instead require a service length of 30 months. Women may be exempted from military service for reasons of religious conscience, marriage, pregnancy, or motherhood.

    Maybe I didn’t phrase it right. What I meant is that the only exception of a concripted military

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  • Smart Nation:

    Smart Nation: Maybe I didn’t phrase it right. What I meant is that the only exception of a concripted military

    @ Partial truth?
    Oops! Accidentally cut off above. What I meant is the rare exception of a conscripted military that does well is the IDF. If NS is mandatory, then it has to include girls. If is required of all citizens to keep their citizenship, then it must also be required of all foreigners before they are granted citizenship.

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    Should president’s son do NS? It was shown that the answer is NO, becos the societal cost of a White Horse sweating under the hot sun obviously far outweigh whatever benefits (or liability) he would bring to any unit he is assigned to.

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  • Do lah:

    Let the woman also do NS lah..

    No problem for them.

    Want to be equal ? Do equal job.

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  • No NS Puthcheary:

    ”“…As for criticism that he did not serve national service, as he became a Singapore citizen at the age of 35, the pediatrician said he has been in public service: ‘I’ve spent the last 10 years saving kids’ lives.’”
    SAVING KIDS LIVES????????
    ””’Why was Patrick Tan, the son of Singapore’s former president Tony Tan, given an 8-year NS deferment to do an MD-PhD instead of a 4-year deferment for a regular MD?”’
    From above 2 quotes—-how to introduce NS for Girls?
    A politically suicidal decision.
    Many Trial balloons are being thrown into the air on this issue.
    As Jack Neo.

    xoxo:
    Maybe Puthucheary could send his wife or daughter(if any) to make up for his AWOL?

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  • Harder Truths:

    AristoCATs - Know-it-All ?:
    “Societal cost will ‘far outweigh benefits’ – Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen.
    -
    Is that statement –
    * an opinion?
    * Result of study/research?
    -
    2022 – they should lay out more info. . .
    -
    Else, it is “opinion” of AristoCATs !

    Interpret the Minister’s quote as “More Sarong Party Girls will Vote Oppo”

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