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Selective representation is the opposition parties’ choice

There is an interesting ongoing discussion in one of the threads on TR Emeritus (TRE) about the role of the opposition parties between a very long term reader “Zhenzidien” and our techie Andrew, on the role of the opposition parties.

What happened was that our Andrew, who was instrumental in coordinating the now completed Judicial Review (JR) against the MTF’s supposedly discriminatory policies against the unvaccinated had mentioned that when he represented TRE in seeking support or a statement from the opposition parties on the JR last year, most opposition parties were not in favor of the unvaccinated’s stand and most big opposition parties did not even bother to reply (no price for guessing which). Only 2 small opposition parties responded (their response will be covered in another editorial).

Andrew felt that as opposition parties, one would expect that they would act more responsibly and at the very least issue a politically correct statement to support the unvaccinated (numbering over 100,000 at that time).

However, the reader ”Zhenzidien” felt that:

Oppositions or ruling party have their own views as to what merit attention. Just because they do not feel the same about your case means they are not helping the voiceless… The affected ones don’t bother so why should you keep insisting oppositions must ‘speak up’ for them?

Andrew disagreed. In his opinion, he feels that as long as one chooses to be in politics, he does not get to choose who he wants to represent or not, as long as there are genuine concerns.

Take our LEEders for example, can he/she selective choose to represent only the straight and tell the LGBTs to fiack off and ignore their plight? This is not just about the unvaxed or vaxed.

IMHO, if you want to be in politics, you jolly well learn how to act (even if you are faking it) and behave like a politician, or you have no business doing politics. In this aspect, I can say all those in THE PARTY (yes, even the supposed 4Gs rookies included) are doing a far better job than the oppos.

It is Andrew’s contention that “people vote oppos into parliament for a reason, to be a voice for the maybe oppressed or voiceless, what’s the point of voting for them if they selectively decide who they want to help and who not to help?”

What do our learned readers think?

 

 

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23 Responses to “Selective representation is the opposition parties’ choice”

  • Great Expectations:

    I think all of you are right. Our oppos are supermen and superwomen. Unlike the other side, they do not get million-dollar super grade fuel. They also do not get million dollar supergrade beautiful secretaries to carry him around. Cannot fly in every direction that people want.

    “Say something about unvax!”
    Brother, I am OMO so hard cleaning up the estate 24hr a day. Where got time to read those high tech, high scientific global evidence? Better ask GMS. He’s very free.

    Tech: Assuming what you say is the case, then I would like to suggest that maybe Mr Goh bothered?

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  • Zhenzidan:

    Take our LEEders for example, can he/she selective choose to represent only the straight and tell the LGBTs to fiack off and ignore their plight? This is not just about the unvaxed or vaxed.
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    Nobody told the LGBT to fiack off. They just didn’t agree with their agenda to legalise same sex marriage. I have seen many same sex LGBT staying together as couples, but have any of them been charged?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    IMHO, if you want to be in politics, you jolly well learn how to act (even if you are faking it) and behave like a politician, or you have no business doing politics. In this aspect, I can say all those in THE PARTY (yes, even the supposed 4Gs rookies included) are doing a far better job than the oppos.
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    Aisayman! Want to teach people how to be a politician when all you do is only having this platform for people to KPKB and after you fail to get support from crowd-funding you yourself KPKB also.

    Come back to Singapore and show us how to be a politician by setting up a political party. Oi! If you get elected, one month $16k you know? All your medical expenses will be solved!

    Tech: I have no interest in politics nor do I claim I know politics. I am merely expressing my opinion about how politicians should at least have behaved or what I expect of them. LGBT was mentioned as an example, not a matter of fact, why you like to pick on context?

    So because we cannot achieve our crowdfunding target we cannot have an opinion? Am I not entitled to my opinion or only those who are PhDs are allowed to have an opinion? If I say Mr Lee looks better in Green than Pink, I need to be a fashion designer to say that, issit? lol

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  • Relax:

    There are doctors in oppositions, and some even took videos to persuade people to vaccinate. Their stands to support vaccination were very clear, so not surprise that they didn’t speak up for unvax. But if I am not wrong, at least Mr Lee Hsien Yang and Mr Leong Mun Wai said something about personal choice.

    Just wondering
    1) if MPs/politicians are representing people, isn’t unvax are also people?
    2) if MPs/politicians are representing people to voice concerns, isn’t no jab no job a genuine concern?
    3) is it consider “impolite” for not replying someone’s request even if you are not supporting him? is there any difference between opposition attitude and PAP attitude?

    I agreed with Andrew’s view.

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  • Temusik Patriot:

    Chiam’s propsed denyi g pap 2/3 majority is the way…next to imposiible to form a next govt the denial will STOP the steam rolling of policies n changes in the CONstituition according to their will.

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  • Zhenzidan:

    Relax: 1) if MPs/politicians are representing people, isn’t unvax are also people?

    If the MPs choose to be vaccinated, on what grounds are they obliged to represent the unvaxed people?

    Relax: if MPs/politicians are representing people to voice concerns, isn’t no jab no job a genuine concern?

    If you feel that the MP voted is not voicing for the concerned, you have the right to vote him out, simple as that.

    Relax: is it consider “impolite” for not replying someone’s request even if you are not supporting him? is there any difference between opposition attitude and PAP attitude?

    Any politicians voted in are not obliged to “be polite” when they already made their stand. After making their stand clearly and yet you still keep pestering them to change their stand to stand up for you, then you are a nuisance. When this politician gets voted out, then you go and tell him that he has not been “polite”.

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  • opposition dude:

    Well, the PAP is the greatest wayang party of all if you really think about it. Always lying that they are “looking” after Singaporeans only to make our lives harder as the years go by. So where is PAP’s logic on vaccination being one’s own choice? As far as they are concerned 100% must not only be vaccinated, we must be boosted too.

    And it isn’t only the vaccination issue that WP has been accused of not speaking up, previous parliament sittings have resulted in netizens slamming them saying they do not speak up enough despite being the only opposition in parliament.

    The reality is, the various opposition parties have their own views on vaccination so some are against and some keep real quiet. Whatever lah, it’s not as if we can make any meaningful change right now. Wait until an election when PAP isn’t in charge anymore then we shall all see what changes will be made.

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  • xoxo:

    Maybe shud cut MP allowance to below $5K ,for a start,and,see if more or FEWER sgs want to stand for GE.
    OPPO SGS BE MORE CONSISTENT.
    HEAVY PRESENCE DURING GE N DISAPPEARANCE when GE is over is not good as it shows lack of commitment.

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  • Relax:

    @Zhenzidan
    When Mr Lee and Mr Leong spoke up for unvax, did they change their stands?
    Politeness is a virtue, why people show it only when they need votes?
    61% also made their stands clear, why pester them?
    When politicians are voted out, should they do self-relection?

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  • I_am_Mike:

    Dear Tech,

    This are my opinion:
    Under a ‘Fair System’, People get to pick their ‘Representative’.
    Then, it is up to these representatives to ‘interpret’ what are genuine concerns, or serious, or minor, or just noises to them.

    However, what was important, was the available information for us all to make a ‘better’ choice next round.

    For example, by informing us the ‘attitude’ of those oppos, is important for us to make decisions even that may meant disgust for us and perhaps even might make an oppos supporter review their future support.

    This is how a ‘free’ democracy country should behave.

    Your ‘ideal’ behaviour of politicians does not exist in real life. While they can pretend to be, some don’t even need to pretend.

    I do not trust any political party.
    I trust not what politician can do or to do in their term.
    I only trust what I know they had done in the past.
    Past is a mirror. And an old fox does not change its way.

    Andrew, hope we can all see beyond what we see today.
    While I do not always agree with ‘Zhenzidan’ and as scrxwed as he can be on certain issues, alas, wouldn’t we from time-to-time?

    I agree with ‘Zhenzidan’ saying respecting different views… and that’s where it ends. If he walk the talk, then he could have ‘respected’ your view to kpkb. Isn’t it? But he didn’t. He could have reason out with you, … unless he thinks you don’t worth his effort or simply just not wanting to agitate your condition?

    Unlike myself, when I am on the path i think i am right, i will refuse to go the path people insist for me, i will not be silenced (even if it takes TRE to blocked my Avatar and i was so honored to be the first, and perhaps the last lol). And only if i think my opponent worth nothing for my effort, i either silence or use their same logic on them.

    Tech: Again I say, you are not wrong. Respecting other’s views is important in a mature society, then and only then can we progress. I am not always against Zhenzidan, only his extreme and perverted views. On TRE, you can say anything you want, but be prepared for others to agree or disagree with you, agreeing to disagree is what is encouraged on TRE.

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  • Zhenzidan:

    Relax: When Mr Lee and Mr Leong spoke up for unvax, did they change their stands?

    If they are already vaxed but chose to voice up for the unvaxed, I have no issues. But if the politician is vaxed and didn’t choose to voice up for the unvaxed, why accuse him of “not representing the people”? That’s his right. And like what I’ve said, you think he is not representing the people, feel free to vote him out. It’s your right also.

    Relax: Politeness is a virtue, why people show it only when they need votes

    Unfortunately this “virtue” is worthless in the world of dirty politics where being polite and virtuous can sometimes backfire badly. You want to represent your people, you need to win votes first which unfortunately you can’t by being “virtuous”.. That’s the cruel reality.

    Relax: 61% also made their stands clear, why pester them?

    Exactly! When the voted politician did not see eye to eye with your views and didn’t voice up for you, why pester them also?

    Relax: When politicians are voted out, should they do self-relection?

    The same can be said when politicians who kept trying but still performed poorly like GMS. On the other hand, CSJ has been learning and from the initial 20 something percent, improved to 38% and finally 46%!

    Similarly for TRE which has been an important platform for many to KPKB, but when it comes to donating to save TRE, the response was so pathetic. I gave my views to the TRE Tech already, and of course, I don’t expect him agree readily. If he feels he doesn’t need to self reflect, that’s also his right.

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  • Zhenzidan:

    I_am_Mike: I agree with ‘Zhenzidan’ saying respecting different views… and that’s where it ends. If he walk the talk, then he could have ‘respected’ your view to kpkb. Isn’t it? But he didn’t.

    Excuse me, I never disrespect the tech’s right to KPKB. I just disagree with his reasons to KPKB at oppositions whom he perceived as “not wanting to represent the people”. And isn’t it my right to rebut if I disagree?

    I_am_Mike: He could have reason out with you,

    Have I not been doing that? It’s just at times he didn’t seem to grasp what I said or misinterpreted them then I start using my same old pattern.

    I_am_Mike: simply just not wanting to agitate your condition?

    Kudos to you! You got it right this time!

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  • myfirstscrew:

    Stupidity has no cure honestly, even the TR editors or many.

    You know what is the big picture? So many articles dedicated to Vax/UnVax. Whatever for? Is this something that will kill many lives in SG? Singapore already have vax rate close to 100%, whats the point of harping non stop. Just because oppositions did not air their pro unvax view, they are deemed useless?

    The top 3 issues in Singapore is surely not vaccination. Every opposition party should focus on what most important and close to Singaporeans lives and hearts. If you are replaced by foreigner, u dont have a job… would this be more crucial than whether you are vax or unvax? If you can afford a shelter, where you going to stay? Is this more important than this vax issue?

    Oppositions may not be the best in fighting for all policies, but remember there are only a few of them in parliament. Every other oppositions not elected are just key board warriors airing in social media. So if you want more views on other issues to go into parliament, you need to exercise your votes and get more in!!!

    Dont keep harping the same dead horse.

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  • SpecOps:

    In a republic the voice of a people regardless how small matters as this is essential to a civilised society, otherwise the alternative is through acts of aggression which leads to the kind of situations we see in regions affected by war.

    People like Zhenzidien with his brain pooisoned by fluoridated tap water are an example why this country is on a downward spiral as they don’t understand the basic function of civil service. If in his view any govt representative can act on his own accord then the next question should be why is that ‘representative’ in politics in the first place?

    Like I have indicated before as purebloods we have no one in any viable capacity to make amendments in the institutions of government and law, and therefore is to be recognized as illegitimate and ignored. In such a situation voting is not worth the time. Walk away and regroup among ourselves and form our own societies.

    An idea for TRE community since this website isn’t lasting much longer would be to use a social media platform like Discord. I don’t recommend Telegram as it tends to attract the doom porn types.

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  • Zhenzidan:

    myfirstscrew:
    Stupidity has no cure honestly, even the TR editors or many.

    You know what is the big picture? So many articles dedicated to Vax/UnVax. Whatever for? Is this something that will kill many lives in SG? Singapore already have vax rate close to 100%, whats the point of harping non stop. Just because oppositions did not air their pro unvax view, they are deemed useless?

    The top 3 issues in Singapore is surely not vaccination. Every opposition party should focus on what most important and close to Singaporeans lives and hearts. If you are replaced by foreigner, u dont have a job… would this be more crucial than whether you are vax or unvax? If you can afford a shelter, where you going to stay? Is this more important than this vax issue?

    Oppositions may not be the best in fighting for all policies, but remember there are only a few of them in parliament. Every other oppositions not elected are just key board warriors airing in social media. So if you want more views on other issues to go into parliament, you need to exercise your votes and get more in!!!

    Dont keep harping the same dead horse.

    Well said!

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  • Spec Ops:

    myfirstscrew:
    Stupidity has no cure honestly, even the TR editors or many.

    You know what is the big picture? So many articles dedicated to Vax/UnVax. Whatever for? Is this something that will kill many lives in SG? Singapore already have vax rate close to 100%, whats the point of harping non stop. Just because oppositions did not air their pro unvax view, they are deemed useless?

    The top 3 issues in Singapore is surely not vaccination. Every opposition party should focus on what most important and close to Singaporeans lives and hearts. If you are replaced by foreigner, u dont have a job… would this be more crucial than whether you are vax or unvax? If you can afford a shelter, where you going to stay? Is this more important than this vax issue?

    Oppositions may not be the best in fighting for all policies, but remember there are only a few of them in parliament. Every other oppositions not elected are just key board warriors airing in social media. So if you want more views on other issues to go into parliament, you need to exercise your votes and get more in!!!

    Dont keep harping the same dead horse.

    When the population gets cut in half minimum and services crash as there’s not enough to service them (already happening in Ireland, another heavily vaccinated country) you will be forced to confront the issue whether you want to or not.

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  • Zhenzidan:

    SpecOps: People like Zhenzidien with his brain pooisoned by fluoridated tap water are an example why this country is on a downward spiral as they don’t understand the basic function of civil service.

    If my brain is poisoned by fluoridated tap water, yours is poisoned by sewage water. With people like you, you think this country can move on upward spiral? The basic function of any service is to make sound judgement to pick out complaints that are of concern to the majority and not wasting time on frivolous ones, just like harping endlessly about the unvaxed being discrimiated

    SpecOps: If in his view any govt representative can act on his own accord then the next question should be why is that ‘representative’ in politics in the first place?

    Acting on your own accord includes making sound judgement as to what causes are worth fighting for. It’s just like any service provider, you think got time to respond to every single complaint? You need to make judgement to filter out those frivolous complaints and that’s when only you are in a position to judge. When you make the wrong judgement as a politician and the majority not happy, you get voted out. That’s how things work here, simple as that!

    SpecOps: In such a situation voting is not worth the time. Walk away and regroup among ourselves and form our own societies.

    Feel free to do so to form your own society like what the LGBTs and many activists are doing, everyday KPKB and see whether like that you can take the country forward.

    myfirstscrew: Singapore already have vax rate close to 100%, whats the point of harping non stop. Just because oppositions did not air their pro unvax view, they are deemed useless?

    This is already a very clear cut answer. The unvaxed form less than 10% of the population and out of this 10%, how many really bother about being discriminated? Yet this website has spent nearly 50% of its time harping on this issue and start deeming the oppositions as useless just because they never joined in the fight!

    Spec Ops: When the population gets cut in half minimum and services crash as there’s not enough to service them (already happening in Ireland, another heavily vaccinated country) you will be forced to confront the issue whether you want to or not.

    Even if that really happens, it still doesn’t prove that discriminating against the unvaxed is the cause. Please don’t talk like typical PAP fear-mongering “that when you vote in more oppositions, Singapore will collapse” that kind of crap.

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    Face it, the vast majority of politicians are not angels, they have their own agenda. Voters can only hope that the politicians’ agenda is aligned closely with what the voters want.

    The vax rate in SG is above 90+%, meaning the vast majority is OK with getting jabs. The fact that there are no mass unrest or visible show of dissent to vaccinations means Singaporeans are largely OK or bo-chap about it. Most seems more concerned with getting by day-by-day, rather than what might happened to their bodies 10-20-30 years later (if the vaccines really have such effects). We don’t see “people dropping like flies”, as some in TRE keep drumming about – that is a FACT. So why would the opposition politicians commit themselves to something that perhaps only represents less than 10% of the voters?

    People seems to forget that elections are a 2-way process – voters are selective about who they vote for, and politicians are likewise selective about who they want to (or could) represent. And that is in a “clean” system, don’t talk about corrupted or morally defective politicians. Be realistic, there is no utopian situation when politicians say they represent “all” people.

    I’ve mentioned previously that the vast majority of Singaporeans are STILL wearing masks outdoors, despite the relaxation by the MTF ClownForce. What does that indicate? That the SG mentality is different from overseas mentalities. What values work in other countries may not work here – and that is what our activists FAILED to accept (or REFUSED to accept?).

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  • myfirstscrew:

    When the population gets cut in half minimum and services crash as there’s not enough to service them (already happening in Ireland, another heavily vaccinated country) you will be forced to confront the issue whether you want to or not.

    —>>> when?

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    LOL, ask for our views/opinions, yet dun dare show my comment. So, TRE also got selective representation, hor? In short, my previous comment reasoned that TRE and its unvax group OVERPLAYED this vax/unvax issue. They should provide data/proof that people are “dropping like flies” instead of using it to stroke their case against discrimination by MTF/MOH. Using such loud sentences might get people’s attention, but once there is NO SUPPORTING evidence (like thousands of funerals or cremations daily), then credibility drops to ZERO.

    BTW, GSM previously wrote that he is seeing ambulances very busy. Straight away concluded it is due to vaccine-related issues. Just this half year, there were more fires and worksite safety issues (unfortunately resulting in higher deaths), which can account for more ambulances zipping around. A more viable article to write would then be that MOM and SDCF are getting lazy/sleeping/CBCBK. But no, must turn it somehow into an anti-vax issue. Again, credibility = ZERO.

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  • myfirstscrew:

    BTW, GSM previously wrote that he is seeing ambulances very busy. Straight away concluded it is due to vaccine-related issues.

    -> CLOWN.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    myfirstscrew:
    BTW, GSM previously wrote that he is seeing ambulances very busy. Straight away concluded it is due to vaccine-related issues.
    -> CLOWN.

    Ah… this I agreed… GMS is a CLOWN.

    He is a veteran and he can’t even win our great PAP Tin Pei Ling.

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  • oxygem:

    GMS is right.
    Thank you for write-up.

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  • Kalapasawi:

    It would appear that mutation happened to many things, Covid 19 is only one of them!

    oxygem:
    GMS is right.
    Thank you for write-up.

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