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Invading Taiwan

Yahoo News came up with a write up to say “Experts” now predict China will attack or invade Taiwan by 2023.

It even lists out the 4 possible attack scenarios etc.

So call Experts, really a lot of bulls!

From realistic logistics perspective, China had just completed its third aircraft carrier and it will take at least 2 to 3 years before it could become operational. China is still building its 4th aircraft carrier and from the time now to completion and operationally ready, it will take at least 5 years.

Why would China be in a hurry to invade Taiwan without sufficient military might to achieve a decisive victory?

Strategically speaking, China will need at least 4 aircraft carriers to effect a strong blockade, not half past six blockade. Even with 4 aircraft carriers, it still risks defeat by US forces. The basic strategy 101, 3F + 1R may not be enough for sustainable warfare.

Taiwan is not easy to invade as an island but prone to sea and air blockade.

But it also means that in modern warfare like this, Taiwan must have lots of surface to sea missiles specially designed to hit Chinese Navy vessels, just like China’s DF21 or DF26.

Good and effective Anti aircraft missiles are much easier to get nowadays but not surface to sea missiles.
Most probably the final assault by China would be preceded by massive drone attacks. They have demonstrated on this strategy in Kinmen recently.

It is not impossible to defend Taiwan against Chinese invasion but Taiwan is still overly complacent and lacking in preparations. The war must be fought with the assumption that US chicken out just like what they did in Ukraine.

But at least in Ukraine, US could continue to Supply military equipments via many other land borders but not for Taiwan.

 

Goh Meng Seng

 

 

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96 Responses to “Invading Taiwan”

  • c'est la vie:

    When an idiot started to spaek….

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  • GMS talkcock:

    Those experts also talkcock.
    When Singapore send soldiers to Tekong, do you say Singapore invade Tekong?

    If China send soldiers to Taiwan PROVINCE, it is not invasion, just a law and order enforcement. Chase out rebels and traitors. People in Taiwan will line the streets and welcome PLA.

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  • Paul Angel:

    America is prepared to risk going to war to stop China from being number one.

    Tech: That is so very true, US of A is the mafia head and it cannot afford to lose that seat to China.

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  • panyusg:

    The age of aircraft carriers are over…hypersonic missiles can put them out of action. Plus you do not need aircraft carriers for a Taiwan invasion..

    - China can destroy the Taiwan navy and airforce quickly with overwhelming missile attacks. These facilities are out in the open and the airbases are well known.

    - China’s airforce are far superior to the aging Taiwan US-equipped airforce even if they have their own Taiwan version.

    - Before the Ukraine war ends and the West can direct its attention to Taiwan, China may find it easier to start the Taiwan war. The West cannot cope with two war fronts.

    - Biden is weak, bumbling and fumbling

    - Covid vaccines has wrought serious cardiac and neurological damage to US military. After a whistleblower exposed that data to Congress, the DMED database was taken down and the data manipulated by the contractor servicing the military.

    - China has probably not vaccinate its 2 million strong military. Wuhan virus was given gain of function at the Wuhan Virology Institute and was accidentally or deliberately released…to damage the West.

    - Taiwan has become a big flashpoint now. China cannot hope for a peaceful settlement, not with the current Tsai Ing Wen administration. No guarantee there will be a China-friendly next President.

    I see China invading soon.

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  • I_am_Mike:

    Dear GMS,

    兵者诡也。
    跟你说多了都是泪。

    Russia-Ukraine war might stretch for a while until we officially enters WW3.
    And obviously, need not guess, who among Asia will trigger us all into it.

    You think over simply that China-Taiwan simply involve USA.
    It will trigger full scale warfare in multi-regional area not just cross the pacific but as far as SEA.

    And decisiveness of USA will determine how each smaller nations in the region in making their choice.

    大国的崛起不会是静悄悄和平的。

    SG need to prepare for this day to come. It is not whether or not it will, but a matter of when.

    Of course, i had a hope for a much lesser destruction scenario, that is for China to have a civil war that last decades to be resume again.

    不取历史教训,我们只能重复历史。
    What we learned from History is that we don’t learn from it.

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  • Geronimo:

    Wow! From a so-called half-past six expert on the coronavirus, GMS has now turned into a military warfare expert!
    China should engage him in their planning on conquering Taiwan!

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  • Daltacron:

    Sars covid tell us not to work so hard.

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  • Ilovetaiwan:

    History says Taiwan did not belonged to China!

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=72o1aXp5JdU&t=385s

    Tech: Taiwan has been inhabited for over 30,000 years, but if you follow Taiwan through the Dynasties, it does suggest that Taiwan was ‘founded’ by Portuguese and named “Ihla Formosa”, then the Dutch arrived and inhabited it. It was then taken by Koxinga, a General of the Ming Empire and then lost it to the Qing Empire, Taiwan was then the Dongnin Kingdom under the General’s grandson. It was under the Qing empire (1683 to 1895) that Taiwan was upgraded to a province in about 1885, when Qing was at war with the French over Vietnam.

    Subsequently, Taiwan (along with Penghu islands) was ceded to the Japs during a war and became a colony of Japan from 1895 to 1945. However, it was returned to China after the japs surrendered in WW2 and never changed hands since. In 1949 during the civil war, Jiang and KMT only fled to Taiwan and then ruled it, they never declared independence to this day. In fact, Jiang even tried to claim governance over the mainland, but he failed.

    So IMHO, Taiwan still technically belongs to China.

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  • GMS shallow knowledge:

    Goh Meng Seng,
    From your article, it is easy to tell you don’t know China and Taiwan military capabilities. Actually your general knowledge about military is shallow. I don’t know why you like to write or comment many things that you obviously not familiar. Now we know why you always lost every election.

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  • MarBowling:

    China will invade Timbuktu first before they THINK of Taiwan, period. Why should China fall into the farking BOOBY Trap laid out NICELY by the farking hypocrite Americunts by KILLING own fellow Chinese folks! Only fools do that!

    The current Massive Military Air and Sea Chinese LIVE FIRING Drills will cause Massive damage to the Taiwanese economy. By arming Taiwan all year LOONG and INSTIGATING a Farking PROXY war against China, just like the farking Americunts have been providing Monica Zelensky of Ukraine with US$billions worth of arms and equipment to FIGHT against Russia, the farking Military and Defence Industries of Uncle Sam especially that Incumbent Lloyd Austin, will continue to LAUGH(even in their sleep)all the way to DBS Bank!

    Heaven has eyes. Karma and Retribution will eventually catch up with the Farking Americunts. MAN Proposes God Disposes, period. Sooner or later, there will be an IMPLOSION in the farking backyard of Uncle Sam resulting in massive chaos, riots and and disruption and the EVENTUAL Collapse Of the ALMIGHTY USD! Get Ready for popcorn and champagne!

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  • Singaporean R Free Rider:

    Dear GMS,
    You are so full of crap..

    China had billions worth of US bonds.

    The moment China start the invasion, the billions worth of bonds and other assets will be confiscated just like what happen to Russian.

    It took the Russian 15 to 20 years to wind down on US bonds and buy gold as reserve.

    Do you even know war economics ?

    CCP cannot even do anything to Nancy Pelosi as promised by CCP foreign ministry.

    Invasion ? Yawn… you over rated CCP the paper tiger.

    Tech: I agree on the bond part (but I think China already lowered its holdings). Add in the 60% of semiconductor supply chain meltdown worldwide, China would be shooting itself in the foot and offending the rest of the world if this chain is destroyed. CCP under Xi is not stoopiack, they will retake Taiwan in the future, but certainly not through war.

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  • Singaporean R Free Rider:

    btw, it is good for Demoncratic Progressive Party to continue to provoke China.

    Let the provocation continue…but we welcome ROC Chip makers to relocate their manufacturing plant like tsmc to Singapore.

    Come on everyone, stand up for Singapore…welcome tsmc

    More jobs for Singaporeans and no jobs for ROC who create and start the provocation themselves.

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  • k:

    Wrong assumptions. There are two parts to the military reunification of Taiwan.

    1. Taking over Taiwan without firing a shot by blockade. If Taiwan dares to fire a short, they would be worse off than Ukraine. The death and destruction would be unacceptable and unnecessary.
    2. Many in Taiwan would not mind returning to the motherland. Many of the military commanders know that it is a futile effort to defend Taiwan military. Many would just raise the Chinese flag and welcome the PLA. They are all Chinese, no need to kill each other.

    The second part is to stop the American and Japanese interference. There is no need to use aircraft carriers to face off with aircraft carriers. The defence of the sea would be done by 055, 054 and 052 destroyers, submarines and DF15, DF17, DF21 and DF26. Also H06 bombers and drones.

    Today the American carriers are still in the region because it is not at war and China would not sink them. When war is declared, they would have to stay at least 4,000km away from China shore for their own safety.

    Today China can easily take over Taiwan by force but the casualties in Taiwan, not in China, would be too high and unacceptable. The PLA is built to take on the Americans plus its allies. What is Taiwan?

    Taiwan is just like Ukraine, a myth that it could fight against Russia. Russia has not unloaded its fire power on Kiev or it would become rubbles.

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  • C’est la vie:

    ******
    Another “expert” on warfare, strategies and thoughts of the US of A !!!

    As previously stated, … another article and opportunity for proCommChina loyalists to flood this segment with their “contributions” !!!

    It’s a goodo goodo day, … to sail around the SC Seas, and ponder which parcels of land to stake claims on !!!
    ***
    ******

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  • Asd:

    I think please stop talking cock or try to be expert talking cock

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  • xoxo:

    If there is war,the victor will be China,with or without Americunts.
    With americunts,it will be much bloodier.
    So,Taiwan must try to avoid a possible war.
    Taiwanese lost the *golden window period* to seek independence.
    Blame KMT.

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  • Not now until Baiden is senile:

    Mainland China will not attempt to reunify with Taiwan as of now because they are being kept very busy with their zero Covid policy!

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  • China Needs Not Invade Taiwan:

    China does not have to invade Taiwan.

    All it has to do continue the flash out the outlaws and the Japanese traitors disguised as President and Leaders of the Taiwanese public.

    This is an internal affair, that has got nothing to do with Washington, nor the EU.

    Other countries must not interfere. Otherwise, they will get a bloody nose.

    Remember, the US had not won any war against China in the past.

    This time around, with the strength of China fully reinforced and well-trained, there is nothing that it cannot accomplish.

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  • Temusik Patriot:

    No need to attack or invade…just sent 10-20 million across with the Taiwanese Residents in China a few million last count n claim returning citizens n relatives from mainlan”GuoChia”

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  • Temusik Patriot:

    This is Legal not LEEgal invasion…they will ovrwhelm Taiwanese votes next election n the stoopid of a president can seek assylum with the other Nancy P

    Temusik Patriot:
    No need to attack or invade…just sent 10-20 million across with the Taiwanese Residents in China a few million last count n claim returning citizens n relatives from mainlan”GuoChia”

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  • Peace plan:

    1st Taiwan land may belongs to the shared communist Chinese and democratic Chinese…..but the Chinese people of Taiwan do not belong to communist China.

    They are Chinese Taiwanese or Formosans……..like Singapore people …….Chinese Singaporeans or Malay Singaporeans, etc.

    Taiwan should by now have built deep, multi-storey trenches and bunkers surrounding the whole Taiwan island which can easily be activated to bring the invading forces deep into the trenches and silos in the event of an attack by sea.

    These trenches coupled with mechanized grinders and pounders could easily take care of the invading forces and tanks by sea aka human incinerator.

    As for missiles and drones flying into Taiwan………there should be multifaceted howitsers, Thaads and appropriate missiles to take care of these. There will still be loss of lives in such eventuality.

    And last BUT most important is for the US, Taiwan, Japan, Europe(?) and the US missile ships to rain

    Missiles continuously to Beijing in the outbreak! The reign of the Communist can easily be toppled.

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  • Bernard:

    Just tell the writer to name all this so called “Expects”, Truly, white dogs who always produces noises and thrashes to deceive and con the simplest of mind a d balls carriers.

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  • Harder Truths:

    Singaporean R Free Rider:
    Dear GMS,
    You are so full of crap..
    China had billions worth of US bonds.
    The moment China start the invasion, the billions worth of bonds and other assets will be confiscated just like what happen to Russian.
    It took the Russian 15 to 20 years to wind down on US bonds and buy gold as reserve.
    Do you even know war economics ?
    CCP cannot even do anything to Nancy Pelosi as promised by CCP foreign ministry.
    Invasion ? Yawn… you over rated CCP the paper tiger.

    Tech: I agree on the bond part (but I think China already lowered its holdings). Add in the 60% of semiconductor supply chain meltdown worldwide, China would be shooting itself in the foot and offending the rest of the world if this chain is destroyed. CCP under Xi is not stoopiack, they will retake Taiwan in the future, but certainly not through war.

    I fully agree with @Singaporean R Free Rider on this one.

    China at the moment is in debt crisis which it does not want the world to know about. Chinese banks are basically illiquid and cannot lend or borrow money unless the PBoC gives them stimulus. This is the real reason behind CoVID lockdowns – if people are unable to get money out of the banks Xi is in trouble, This has already happened recently, but the CCP has shut it down.

    China did not lower its Treasury holdings – it spent 1 trillion on controlling the debt crisis so far. China has an estimated 1 trillion left in non-liquid assets and Treasury notes that the US can shut down anytime n the digital ledger.

    Economically China is not in a good place. China’s debt-to-GDP is over 250% and the economy is cratering. Xi is worried that the people may get out of control and needs to hold on until the next CCP convention sometime later this year, most likely in November, when he will extend his mandate for the third-term, which brings him to the status of Chairman Mao. This is unprecedented and Xi will not want to create conditions for internal strife before then.

    In short, the US knows China is in a bad place economically and is using this weak period to attack China, knowing China cannot fight back or risk going to war, causing a possible hyperinflation and lockdown of its assets by the Western powers. This may collapse the current CCP cadre loyal to Xi, and Xi has many opponents in the CCP who want him out of the way.

    China is not Russia. Russia is self-sufficient. China cannot sustain its population without its industrial sector and trade, and this has already shrunk alarmingly. China right now is at its weakest economic period since the 1960′s. It cannot risk war

    But there is one red line China will absolutely not allow – that is for Taiwan to declare independence. If that happens then China WILL attack, regardless of the risks involved. Hopefully this never happens, but escalation by the Taiwanese political parties is stupid

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  • The US of A is no longer the military powerhouse in the world currently, most of its weapons are outdated.

    Both Russia and China’s weaponry can outperform the US anytime, in the event of a non-nuclear war. Even North Korea has H-bomb now, so any war would be a no-win situation for all parties involved.

    China can easily retake Taiwan in a day or two, but China wants to do it without spilling blood, which is why it has not taken any military action so far. Besides, the semiconductor industry in Taiwan receives 60% of the revenues in the world per year from chip sales, that is hundreds of billions of dollars in revenues.

    What is the point of destroying the life in Taiwan just to take back a piece of barren land?

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  • Yann:

    Problem lies in when self serving people trying

    To do public service work!just like letting a fox stay in a farm.

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  • Bullshz:

    @TR Tech

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-14/russia-turns-to-old-tanks-as-it-burns-through-weapons-in-ukraine

    https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/russian-forces-deploying-outdated-military-equipment-in-ukraine-to-replace-losses-isw-articleshow.html

    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-resorting-obsolete-gear-ad-hoc-reinforcements-ukraine-uk-1723163

    If you don’t know, say u don’t know. Don’t repeat Russia and Chinese propaganda.

    Russian failed to intercept precision Himars which is precise to even coin level. Massive depots and points are being destroyed that Russian wants to know where these Himars are stored. If Russia so advanced; they already won in days.

    China is more advanced by copying and stealing technology from West. They cannot be on par with Western Tech. Even their train Tech is not superior than Japan. Japan design is total comfort and precision, China design is lacking in many areas but its cheap.

    No way China is ahead, catching up yes.

    Talk so much, Ask Xi to be ball of steel like putin, don’t be a paper tiger.

    Can u see really ccp lover… brainwashed so deep by CCTV.

    Tech: FYI, I mentioned Russia and not only CCP, so please cut the CCP crap. I suggest you read dedicated military sites, not some western propaganda media to get the real picture of the military powers in the world right now. Russia’s latest ICBM, China’s latest hypersonic glider, 055 destroyer,s and Carrier Destroyer and see what the real experts have to say.

    What Russia has so far deployed in Ukraine are all its past-expiry weapons, to be discarded. They have not even used their latest arsenal yet, for example, the Kinzhal. Russia is only toying with Ukrain, expending its useless weapons. The reason why they suffered huge losses is that they were ill-prepared adn too arrogant, IMHO.

    Do you know that the Russians have 400+ more nuke warheads than the US? Do you know that the latest Russian ICBM (Sarmat) can fly faster (Mach 20+) than any US anti-ballistic missiles (ABM)? Do you know that the US’s ABMs cannot even scratch China’s latest hypersonic gliders or missiles at Mach 6? Do you know that Russia’s latest Kilo-class and Lada-class stealth subs cannot even be detected by US destroyers? Do you know that both Russia (Sarmat) and China’s (DF-41) ICBMs can carry more than 10 independent warheads (at Mach 25+) while the outdated US’s LGM-30 Minuteman-III can only carry 3 warheads at Mach 23?

    I can go on and on, but I think that should be enough for the day.

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    China after this naval military exercise how many will kena coronavirus?
    Expecting more lockdowns.

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    Can see all the CCP-kissing experts here given BS analysis of the why’s and why-nots of invading of TWN. Even TRE Tech throw in his hat talking absolute military nonsense.

    1) Firstly, stop comparing Ukraine with TWN. Ukraine is a land-operation, while taking TWN will be an amphibious op. Does any of the CCP experts know how much more difficult an Amp-op to a land-op? 2x? 5x? 10x? Just answer this one question will show everyone if they KNOW wtf they are talking.

    2) So, CHN’s missiles and hypervelocity weapons will hammer the US carriers, etc. Sure, but US/TWN/JPN(?) missiles and subs can also vaporize any CHN vessels especially the troop carriers off the Taiwan Straits. Troop transports have more protection and can evade these weapons better than carriers and cruisers, hor? US-supplied HIMAR to Ukraine are used to compete 1-on-1 with Russian arty or to take out the softer targets?

    3) Comparing raw weapons and numbers is probably 2-3 gen back like Russian thinking (that’s why they FAILED to take Ukraine on the run). Notwithstanding, Russian hardware proven to be reasonable if used correctly in past conflicts; current CHN hardware are completely UNPROVEN. Does anyone know why Russia still doesn’t commit its superior T14 new tank?

    4) Someone even mentioned about CHN H06 bombers. Hahahaa …. even the elderly B-52G (not H!!!) is much more capable than H06. H06 will be dead meat in any conflict.

    My take is NOBODY wants a war. CHN current capabilities may not make an invasion very promising. CHN casualties can be VERY high initially (like the Russian VDK almost totally wiped out trying to take the Ukraine airport) while TWN will also take substantial casualties. Even if CHN succeeded in establish a beachhead, can it resupply its forces – otherwise TWN can just pull back a little and let the invaders rot in place. Lastly, totally unrealistic to ASSUME most or some Taiwanese will welcome the Chinese – see what is happening in Ukraine. Oh but that is the 177th ranked propaganda media machine wishful thinking. Like Putin’s gamble.

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  • @theforgottongeneration

    Excuse me hor, I was toking about the economic and social impact of a war hor, wrong meh?

    I say “What is the point of destroying the life in Taiwan just to take back a piece of barren land?”, you don’t agree meh?

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  • myfirstscrew:

    @@TR Tech

    You defy logic, you claimed Russia has all the advanced weapons but choose to use old legacy weapons in a war they wanted to win in days???!!! So Russia must be mad or their IQ low to use lousy weapons to allow Ukraine to inflict damages to their weapons, generals and soldiers. And needed to ask North Korea for help?

    All you claimed are technologies not known to many, or not seen in conflicts. If they are so good, Ukraine would be crying and seeking to surrender isn’t it? Oh… forgot, Russia cant even intercept Himars with their defence system strangely…..

    So you are just blowing hot air and win like CCP spokesman crying father and mother intimidating in their daily updates.

    Ok lets say whatever you said about Russia and China are true and they are so superior:
    1. When is Russia going to win the war? How many more weeks or months they need? You mean they deliberately use old weapons to enjoy the delay and the massive losses daily to enjoy fighting?

    2. So China does not need to fear anyone, when is China going to invade Taiwan and win in few days? There is so much talk and bs from China officials and even exercise but when? We only want to see end results and not dream about the outcome and telling us how many weapons and advanced. All these can be fairy tales concocted by dreamers.

    Re: Taiwan
    1. Firstly, Taiwan originally belongs to aborigines just like Australia.
    2. Yes in Ancient time, Taiwan was part of China.
    3. One China means 2 options
    a) KMT/Democracy option or
    b) CCP option

    KMT retreated to Taiwan and vowed to reclaim motherland. CCP won the mainland and now want to reclaim the tiny island. If Taiwan wins the war, it is 1 China and vice versa if CCP wins the war, they also claim its 1 China. If you are CCP lover, you only see one option. But from neutral stand point, there are two countries fighting to be One China, Taiwan is weak and small, they do not have the means to invade mainland to unite so they never dare claim mainland belongs to them.

    Lastly, the will of the people is key, majority of Taiwanese do not want to be united under CCP.

    Tech: The technology that I have mentioned have been in existance for years and the whole world knows it, it is not cooked out of thin air. You just need to know where to look. As for China, not fearing anyone and willingness to go to war is 2 different things. China wants Taiwan, but it is not willing to shed blood in getting it back unless Taiwan tries to declare independence.

    As for Taiwan, it has been a part of China, not “was” part of China, since the Japs were defeated in WW2 and decided to de-colonise. In the case of Ukraine, you want Russia to use the latest ICBM and wipe Ukraine off the world map with its over 10+ warheads?

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  • comeon:

    Mon, 8 August 2022 at 2:56 pm

    https://sg.yahoo.com/news/china-spokeswomans-taiwan-restaurant-tweet-065624033.html

    A senior Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman has prompted a storm of ridicule online, after a late-night tweet where she used restaurant listings to assert Beijing’s claim over Taiwan.

    “Baidu Maps show that there are 38 Shandong dumpling restaurants and 67 Shanxi noodle restaurants in Taipei,” spokeswoman Hua Chunying posted on the social media site late on Sunday.

    “Palates don’t cheat. #Taiwan has always been a part of China. The long lost child will eventually return home,” she added.

    —————————————————————————-
    ***Mdm Hua Chunying is reprimanding West and US in her daily updates. But in reality, she sent her daughter to US to study and even bought property there.

    This news was available in China but the CCP govt had removed all news related to her daughter but of course they are people who reproduced them elsewhere.
    https://www.bannedbook.org/en/bnews/comments/20210512/1544800.html

    This is the hypocrisy of CCP honestly. Many of their children are in the US, Australia and also Singapore. Xi’s extended family all in Australia while China is condemning Australia daily too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OSwtHNuhno

    So if China is so damn good, why all their families all outside China, you dont find it strange???!!!

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  • Winston:

    Ilovetaiwan:
    History says Taiwan did not belonged to China!

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=72o1aXp5JdU&t=385s

    Tech: Taiwan has been inhabited for over 30,000 years, but if you follow Taiwan through the Dynasties, it does suggest that Taiwan was ‘founded’ by Portuguese and named “Ihla Formosa”, then the Dutch arrived and inhabited it. It was then taken by Koxinga, a General of the Ming Empire and then lost it to the Qing Empire, Taiwan was then the Dongnin Kingdom under the General’s grandson. It was under the Qing empire (1683 to 1895) that Taiwan was upgraded to a province in about 1885, when Qing was at war with the French over Vietnam.

    Subsequently, Taiwan (along with Penghu islands) was ceded to the Japs during a war and became a colony of Japan from 1895 to 1945. However, it was returned to China after the japs surrended in WW2 and never changed hands since. In 1949 during the civil war, Jiang and KMT only fled to Taiwan and then ruled it, they never declared independence to this day. In fact, Jiang even tried to claim governance over the mainland, but he failed.

    So IMHO, Taiwan still technically belongs to China.

    Tech,
    San Francisco Peace Treaty is the final official document after WW2. Taiwan was never “returned” to China. The Japanese (after ruling Taiwan for about 50 years) simply gave up Taiwan, but that doesn’t mean Taiwan goes to China.

    Tech: Common sense question to you. I went to your house and took your property. When I am finally arrested by the police, who do you think the property should be returned to? Taiwan was taken from the Qing during a war, so once the Japs surrended, who do you think Taiwan should be returned to?

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  • Zhenzidan:

    k: Russia has not unloaded its fire power on Kiev or it would become rubbles.

    Please don’t talk through your a$$e! If Russia got so much “fire power”, they would not withdraw from Kiev. Now they are finding it tough to handle the HIMARS artillery provided by the USA. Everybody thought Russia will makan Ukraine within days but when they failed to do so, Russia ass-lickers say they haven’t unleashed their “real firpower yet”. Just like the China Taiji master Lei Gong who said Taiji can easily beat MMA. When challenged by an amateur China MMA fighter, he kena bleeding nose within 10 seconds, and later this Taiji master said he hasn’t used the “full power of Taiji yet because he didn’t want to injure the MMA fighter permanently”!

    My ass was laughing.

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  • nathan chen:

    Don’t to need to be a military analayst to know China does not need to wait for another aircraft carrier in order to successfully invade Taiwan.China overwhelmed Taiwan in air,land and sea in war machines. I think China military strength has close to a million combat ready men and women compared to Taiwan less than 150 thousand trained military fighting personal.US is the main factor deterring China invasion now and in the distance future not China’s war military logistic.

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  • Harder Truths:

    TRE Tech:
    The US of A is no longer the military powerhouse in the world currently, most of its weapons are outdated.

    Both Russia and China’s weaponry can outperform the US anytime, in the event of a non-nuclear war. Even North Korea has H-bomb now, so any war would be a no-win situation for all parties involved.

    China can easily retake Taiwan in a day or two, but China wants to do it without spilling blood, which is why it has not taken any military action so far. Besides, the semiconductor industry in Taiwan receives 60% of the revenues in the world per year from chip sales, that is hundreds of billions of dollars in revenues.

    What is the point of destroying the life in Taiwan just to take back a piece of barren land?

    Military tactics aside, China has more to lose than gain in any confrontation with Taiwan. Taiwan is a Goose that Lays the Golden Eggs as far as technology in concerned. Semiconductor technology and engineers are developed in Taiwan and there has been a large exodus of Taiwanese engineers to the mainland to work, as well as trade on other commodities, goods and services.

    Taiwan is where Hong Kong was in the 1970′s – it is too valuable as it is. Until China is able to somehow replicate the semiconductor technology Taiwan possesses it will not risk losing that through war. Taiwan has threatened to destroy all its technology in the event of a China invasion and turn over all their technology to the United States plus engineers will migrate to the USA. This will give a tremendous advantage to the USA, which is trying to kickstart its own semiconductor industries again.

    There is nothing to be gained for China by making this into a big thing, except possibly taking the focus away from the lockdowns and bank runs. But it is a dangerous game to play nonetheless.

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  • ilovetaiwan:

    How and who did Qing took Taiwan from?

    Tech/a>:

    Tech:Taiwan was taken from the Qing during a war, so once the Japs surrendered, who do you think Taiwan should be returned to?

    Tech: You are not paying attention to what I post, the Qing took it from the Ming, also of China. If you are implying what I think you are trying to imply, then maybe Taiwan should be returned to the Dutch or Portuguese?

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    Amusing.

    Theres approximately 9,000 japanese restaurants in Taiwan. 10% discount already included.

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    TRE Tech:
    The US of A is no longer the military powerhouse in the world currently, most of its weapons are outdated.

    Both Russia and China’s weaponry can outperform the US anytime, in the event of a non-nuclear war. Even North Korea has H-bomb now, so any war would be a no-win situation for all parties involved.

    Dear TRE Tech, can you justify most of USA weapons are outdated? Their “outdated” infantry-level Javelin is already proven to make coffins out of the latest Russian tank (T-90 series).

    Which China’s weaponry has been PROVEN in real combat situation to outperform the US (or even European, Asian, Israeli, etc) weaponry? Your statement seems without factual merit. On paper, yes, even SG generals should be able to perform well in managing rail/logistic operations, but in reality ….

    myfirstscrew:
    @@TR Tech

    You defy logic, you claimed Russia has all the advanced weapons but choose to use old legacy weapons in a war they wanted to win in days???!!! So Russia must be mad or their IQ low to use lousy weapons to allow Ukraine to inflict damages to their weapons, generals and soldiers. And needed to ask North Korea for help?

    In any military operation, the first strike is the MOST important and would involve the most potent weapons because NOBODY would wants a long-drawn war if possible. Of course there could be really “smart” people that sacrifice their 1st-tier tanks, armored vehicles and manpower to make their opponent used up all the NLAW, Javelins and ammo so that their super-best weapons could roll in afterwards. Good strategy if one is willing to lose 30,000 soldiers without blinking an eye, hor.

    Tech: I do not need to justify anything, it’s all on official record. The US’s ICBM’s are built in the 70s, for a start. As for your suggestion of 1st strike, maybe Russia should have used its ICBMs and erase Ukraine from the surface of Earth, is that what u r proposing?

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  • ken:

    Another opinion piece by China-lover Goh. He seeems to think that a country with a big population, a big economy and and a big mouth equates to a military might.
    The Chinese just haven’t got the decent sized cojones.

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  • Taiwan is Africans':

    All these ignorant sheep trying hard to twist recent history by looking back 1000 years. Don’t forget to do that for the West. Return America to Natives. Return Australia to Natives. Return NZ. Don’t forget to return Singapore to somebody!

    Techie is so patient explaining to these jokers.

    @Ilovetaiwan: Taiwan has been inhabited for over 30,000 years, but if you follow Taiwan through the Dynasties, it does suggest that Taiwan was ‘founded’ by Portuguese and named “Ihla Formosa”, then the Dutch arrived and inhabited it. It was then taken by Koxinga, a General of the Ming Empire and then lost it to the Qing Empire, Taiwan was then the Dongnin Kingdom under the General’s grandson. It was under the Qing empire (1683 to 1895)…

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  • @Taiwan is Africans

    By their logic, Sinkieland should also belong to China, because it was inhabited by the natives and immigrants from Fujian (China). The Chinese then were shipped to Sinkieland to become coolies and then they settled down and propagated, did they not?

    So it is not wrong to call Sinkieland a province of China, and China should also ask Sinkieland to be returned or invade it, right? lol

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  • Western Sheep:

    People argue so much when they know nothing about history.

    The big powers after WW2 agreed that Taiwan be returned to China. Not only Taiwan, also some islands in the South China Sea. Go google for the details.

    The tiny smaller than red dot fishing island was given to Japan without any big power agreement.

    Winston: Tech,
    San Francisco Peace Treaty is the final official document after WW2. Taiwan was never “returned” to China. The Japanese (after ruling Taiwan for about 50 years) simply gave up Taiwan, but that doesn’t mean Taiwan goes to China.

    Tech: Common sense question to you. I went to your house and took your property. When I am finally arrested by the police, who do you think the property should be returned to? Taiwan was taken from the Qing during a war, so once the Japs surrended, who do you think Taiwan should be returned to?

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  • ilovetaiwan:

    See, Tech, you think you know, but you don’t.
    According to your logic, then Singapore should return to Indonesia.
    If not, after Indonesia was Thailand and followed by Johor (Malaysia)

    With the same logic, if I was the boyfriend of your wife, by right I can sleep with her any time whenever I wish to ‘take’ her back.

    Correct? Common sense woh

    ilovetaiwan:
    How and who did Qing took Taiwan from?

    Tech: You are not paying attention to what I post, the Qing took it from the Ming, also of China. If you are implying what I think you are trying to imply, then maybe Taiwan should be returned to the Dutch or Portuguese?

    Tech: Nop, that was your logic, not mine. I said Taiwan has been/should be returned to China, the rightful last owner of the island. Your warped logic seems to suggest that all your mom’s ex-boyfriends should be your father, is that even common sense or some kinky aspirations of yours? BTW, Indonesia has nothing to do with Sinkieland nor Thailand, you obviously fail your history, I forgive you for your ignorance. lol.

    Oh BTW, are you fully vaccinated? Just me being curious, you can don’t answer if you are shy about that.

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  • ilovetaiwan:

    Don’t get too upset when I mentioned your wife, it’s just hypothetical.
    When you say ‘Indonesia has nothing to do with Sinkieland nor Thailand’ in history, it just showed how superficial you are on history as a topic, I don’t blame you. So, chill.

    Oh btw, why you interested whether I am vaccinated or not? Did you get your Chinese Jab? Me too curious?

    Oh, regarding ‘Last owner’, there is always new last owner.

    Tech:

    Tech: Nop, that was your logic, not mine. I said Taiwan has been/should be returned to China, the rightful last owner of the island. Your warped logic seems to suggest that all your mom’s ex-boyfriends should be your father, is that even common sense or some kinky aspirations of yours? BTW, Indonesia has nothing to do with Sinkieland nor Thailand, you obviously fail your history, I forgive you for your ignorance. lol.

    Oh BTW, are you fully vaccinated? Just me being curious, you can don’t answer if you are shy about that.

    Tech: The part about your mom, also hypothetical, so you also chill and relax. As for the jabs, neh, me took none, envious? lol

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  • WongSH:

    TR Emeritus Tech,

    For your info, Taiwan was given away in perpetuity to Japan as a compensation for losing a war – both Japan and the Qing Empire signed a treaty on this compensation. The Qing Empire could have chosen not to sign the treaty and continued with the war and risked losing every thing.

    Now, this history of offering Taiwan as compensation is different from your eg quoted above to someone as “walking into somebody’s home and stole his property”.

    So when Japan gave up ownership of Taiwan, it does not automatically mean Taiwan went to China. China did not exist (both ROC and PRC didn’t exist) when Taiwan was signed away by the Qing Dynasty.

    Go read up proper history and international laws – not those articles selected by communist China.

    Oh, by the way, the main island of Taiwan did not belong to the Ming Dynasty and was not administered by Ming Dynasty.

    Tech: Short and sweet reply to you. I don’t read only Chinese websites, here are the recorded facts, not written by me, of course. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China_(1912–1949)].

    As for Ming’s debatable control of Taiwan, the General (Koxinga) that took Taiwan from the Dutch (1622 – 1662) was a Ming (1368 – 1644) loyalist. Taiwan was subsequently lost to the Qing Dynasty in 1683. However, I can agree that Ming never did administer Taiwan, but it was after all a Ming general who snatched Taiwan from the Dutch. It is worth noting that the Qing Dynasty (1644 – 1912) officially designated Taiwan as its 22nd province in 1885.

    So we are not confused, China then, be it under the Ming or Qing is still China today, for the sake of this discussion.

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  • nathan chen:

    Tre police

    Your motherland China like Singapore is a cyber dictator. Adept at building fire walls to defend it’s cyber space against foreign interference and undesirable influence on its people. At the same leveraging on technology information and AI on the pretext of national security to have total control of the people robbing them of their human rights to privacy and dignity.

    Now China is using spy ship docked in
    Hambantota a port in Sri Lanka on a 99 years lease to China. Sri lanka’s neighbour India is not happy with this China’s spy ship parked at such close proximity to its backyard.This is the good work of the deposed ex President Gotta Rajapaksa of Sri Lanka receiving aids and borrowing heavily from China and India.

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  • myfirstscrew:

    @TR Tech

    No need to look at why Con Hee despite scamming more than $50M still have sheep following. Look at you, you dont even talk sense. LOL Your logic is like pro PAPPY supporters, anything about PAPPY is good.

    I give up debating with you.

    Tech: Whatever I posted is on record, it wasn’t written by me. So if you give up, that means that whatever I posted is true and you cannot rebut that. As for Con Hee, my take is that whenever God is in play, it always works wonderfully. TRE had a cult following when it was a no holds barred website, I should know because I was there.

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  • WongSH:

    Western Sheep:
    People argue so much when they know nothing about history.

    The big powers after WW2 agreed that Taiwan be returned to China. Not only Taiwan, also some islands in the South China Sea. Go google for the details.

    The tiny smaller than red dot fishing island was given to Japan without any big power agreement.

    No, go and read up the Treaty of San Francisco which is the final and binding agreement (or treaty).

    You are probably referring to the “Potsdam Declaration” and “Cairo Declaration” – both documents are not agreements because the war was still going on and Japan was not a party (signatory) to both documents. As commonly mentioned, both documents at best could only be “letters of intention”.

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  • Kee:

    The biggest knuckle is law.

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    @Tech: I do not need to justify anything, it’s all on official record. The US’s ICBM’s are built in the 70s, for a start. As for your suggestion of 1st strike, maybe Russia should have used its ICBMs and erase Ukraine from the surface of Earth, is that what u r proposing?

    ——————–

    “Official record”? Wow, sounds very authoritative, hor. Which official record says CHN weaponry has beaten “outdated” western weapons – the Global Times? Or the same “alternate facts” that insisted (on TRE site) that the moon landings in the 1960s were faked by USA becos Russia/China was on the verge of landing there first?

    US ICBMs built in 70s will level Moscow and Beijing just as well as ICBM built in the 90s or 2000s. It doesn’t prove weapons as outdated.

    Looks like you have adopted the pappies’ No Blaming Culture arrogance when being called out. Simple answers to simple queries would suffice, yet you choose to fall back on the nuclear option when “first strike” in mentioned by putting words in my mouth. Many seems to be trying to engage you for clarification (constructively) but you are so defensive. Maybe it is your attitude that is causing TRE demise, hor?

    Tech: Please don’t waste my time arguing for the sake of arguing. There are plenty of military sites on the internet that compare missiles with missiles, planes with planes, etc. If you are too lazy to search, then no point taking the discussion further and waste everybody’s time. “Official Record” means the whole world knows and information is in the public domain.

    ICBMs are only as effective if it can deliver its warheads to the intended target, would you agree?

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Harder Truths: Military tactics aside, China has more to lose than gain in any confrontation with Taiwan. Taiwan is a Goose that Lays the Golden Eggs as far as technology in concerned.

    Exactly…. all those proCCP are toking c0ck… they did not even know war economics!!!

    You had shown them the details, but they still do not understand.. they are like opposition who oppose just for opposing only.

    No wonder CCP (Chinese Chauvinist Pig) GMS cannot even win amateurish Tin Pei Ling.

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  • ilovetaiwan:

    For quick summary.
    Part II on Taiwan does not belong to China
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn6X4K_P3Q8

    @ WongSH,
    Thank you for tell those jokers what are international treaties, the exact point were mentioned in the video.

    But in any case, if it does not suit the agenda of CCP, they can always say it is just a historical document or as Russia did, a historical mistake.

    @ Tech,
    You love CCP, why don’t you trust their vaccines?
    身體很誠實啊! Did you climb wall of China?

    Tech: That’s because I stay informed and bother to read and analyse, unlike the 95% who never bothered and were easily coerced. Besides, vaccination where I am is fully voluntary.

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  • Zhenzidan:

    @Tech
    BTW, Indonesia has nothing to do with Sinkieland nor Thailand, you obviously fail your history,
    ________________________________________________________________________

    Indonesia nothing to do with Singapore? Hello, the famed Sang Nila Utama who renamed Temasek to Singapura was an Indonesian prince you don’t know meh?

    Tech: You again! Read carefully, we were discussing NATIVES, this Sang Nila before or after Natives? If like that, Sinkieland being multinationals inhabited, should also belong to many countries liao, dio bo? The keyword in my discussion was “1000 years”.

    “All these ignorant sheep trying hard to twist recent history by looking back 1000 years. Don’t forget to do that for the West. Return America to Natives. Return Australia to Natives. Return NZ. Don’t forget to return Singapore to somebody!”

    That was what I was responding to, get it?

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  • xoxo:

    China will not attack Taiwan the way Russia pounces on Ukraine.
    It is not becos XJP is a *paper commander* but becos he is wiser.

    But,China will have no qualms counter-attacking in a ferocious manner shud Taiwan tries any trick and starts aggression especially if any foreign power is involved directly or as *cheer-leader*.

    Nancy Pelosi is not the USA PRESIDENT,she is just the Speaker afterall.
    The americunts will be very wrong if they think they can play *games* with China.
    Like it or not,the world has changed.

    The angmohs are still too full of themselves as they cannot rid off their *white supremacism*.
    Do you call that *democratic value* as well?

    What hypocrisy!

    In any case,if there is war,it will be fought on taiwanese ground like in Ukraine.
    It will be taiwanese people who will suffer most.

    Lets *settle* the disagreement/s in our Asian way,the chinese way of *give some,take some*,or,50-50.
    We,asians ,say when we do business,even how roaring,give room for others *to make some too for a living*?

    Why fight among ourselves?
    It only makes others benefit n laugh at us,doesnt it?

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  • kopitiam ah pek:

    WongSH sounds like a PHD in History.
    So Sg belongs to whom?
    Pls enlighten us.

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  • Singaporean R Free Rider:

    Taiwan is Africans':
    All these ignorant sheep trying hard to twist recent history by looking back 1000 years. Don’t forget to do that for the West. Return America to Natives. Return Australia to Natives. Return NZ. Don’t forget to return Singapore to somebody!

    Techie is so patient explaining to these jokers.

    Well said. Spot on.
    Yes, Americunt land belong to the Red Indians like Tibet belong to Tibet.

    Please return it to the Red Indians.

    Thou Shall Not Steal…. remember ? No ?

    Quote – Unknown True Native American
    When your people came to our land, it was not with open arms,
    but with Bibles and guns and disease.
    You took our land. You killed us with your guns and disease/,
    then
    had the arrogance to call us godless savages.
    If there is a Heaven and it is filled with Christians,
    than Hell is the place for me.

    Quote – Desmond Tutu
    When the missionaries came to Africa,
    they had the Bible and we had the land.
    They said “let us close our eyes and pray.”
    When we opened them, we had the Bible, and they had the land.

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  • @xoxo

    Finally, someone who understands the ramifications of a bloody war and why it should be avoided whenever possible.

    People with simple minds always think that since I have the warheads, why not simply nuke Taiwan and get it over and done with, how childish!

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  • Zhenzidan:

    Tech: You again! Read carefully, we were discussing NATIVES, this Sang Nila before or after Natives?
    ———————————————-
    You read your own writing carefully, where did you say “natives”? Your key word “1000 years”. 1,000 years before or after? You yourself confused by your own writing!

    Tech: Still trying the same trick of playing contextual word games with me? Sorry, I do learn and is not daft. Shoo… now go play with someone else more gullible.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    TRE Tech: Finally, someone who understands the ramifications of a bloody war and why it should be avoided whenever possible.

    You are so wrong…

    Talking to the CCP will only get yourselves makan till no bones left over.

    The same with Americunt…CCP talk to Americunt not to let Pelosi come..

    No matter how much CCP talk, Americunt still let her cum.

    You can talk and talk but super power like Americunt, Chinacunt, Russiacunt just don’t care.

    Now that is the hard truth.

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    @Tech: “…ICBMs are only as effective if it can deliver its warheads to the intended target, would you agree?…”

    ———-

    So you saying US ICBMs can’t deliver their warheads to the intended targets? They have 10x the nukes necessary to waste any country, all it takes is at least 10% to get through regardless of their vintage. Which defense system in Russia or China or USA can guarantee will shoot down all incomings? Searching so much on the internet doesn’t seems to influence your basic understanding of things, hor?

    BTW, this nuclear option was brought up by you becos you can’t justify your earlier arguments. Nobody is contemplating nukes, so stop wasting everyone’s time.

    Tech: Have you heard of the Russian’s S-500 and the latest China hypersonic ABMs? But then, we can all agree that unless these are tested in a real war, its all nothing but theory. What we can agree on is if there is a nuclear war, nobody wins, so no need to continue this discussion further, that I also agree.

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  • Make pesce not war:

    Why cant humans live in peace?
    For centuries at war with each other.
    Never learn.
    Humans are the most destructive species on this planet..
    So sad.
    Quote” War, what is it good for?
    ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

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  • Trust only myself:

    Why need to invade?
    Casualties will be very high with any invasion.

    Just lock them down for one month and ask them to surrender peacefully ……..

    In time for them to celebrate National Day on 1st October……..together.

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  • China very good:

    There will be no war.
    The protest inside Taiwan will topple Tsai. She has to sneak out to her angmo fatherland. She’s the no.1 Chinese trait** hoping for war killing millions. She’s been using people’s money to bribe her angmo fathers in Congress and elsewhere. People in Taiwan are not stupid. Who wants to be cannon fodder?

    Trust only myself:
    Why need to invade?
    Casualties will be very high with any invasion.

    Just lock them down for one month and ask them to surrender peacefully ……..

    In time for them to celebrate National Day on 1st October……..together.

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    1. How to lock them down ? Exactly how does that work ?

    2. Tsai topple ? It remains to be seen. Lately even KMT also change wind and welcome US Nancy.

    https://3g.163.com/dy/article/HE8R8I9U0552BGPP.html?spss=adap_pc
    朱立倫:歡迎裴洛西訪台

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  • Firefly:

    Tech: Short and sweet reply to you. I don’t read only Chinese websites, here are the recorded facts, not written by me, of course. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China_(1912–1949)].

    As for Ming’s debatable control of Taiwan, the General (Koxinga) that took Taiwan from the Dutch (1622 – 1662) was a Ming (1368 – 1644) loyalist. Taiwan was subsequently lost to the Qing Dynasty in 1683. However, I can agree that Ming never did administer Taiwan, but it was after all a Ming general who snatched Taiwan from the Dutch. It is worth noting that the Qing Dynasty (1644 – 1912) officially designated Taiwan as its 22nd province in 1885.

    So we are not confused, China then, be it under the Ming or Qing is still China today, for the sake of this discussion.

    Hello, what are you talking? The “Ming general” conquered Taiwan and set up his family dynasty lah, not Ming dynasty ok! What had his family dynasty got to do with Ming dynasty or even China?

    Territories of Qing dynasty belonged to the Qing emperor. Qing emperor decided whether to give away which part of his territories, not the general population (and definitely not the Chinese communist party because it didn’t exist at that time).

    Tech: Hello, I said “So we are not confused, China then, be it under the Ming or Qing is still China today, for the sake of this discussion.”. So taiwan was taken from the Qing, nothing wrong with that statement, right?

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  • ah seng:

    You cant win argument with CCP lovers.

    I read all the comments:-

    1. Russia and China have better advanced weapons but cant use, they ok to keep losing to Ukraine….. LOL US has not used any advanced weapons but inflicting heavy damage on Russia’s war on Ukraine

    2. Anything is US or West problem.. Pelosis trip caused it… but reality is with or without her trip, Beijing was planning to retake Taiwan by force, otherwise why build so many frigates and many military bases in Fujian, Zhejiang, Guangzhou and Xiamen.

    Please lah, use logic and not die heart to analyse the bs. Critical think… not blind faith.

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  • @ah seng

    1. Yes, yes, Russia should have thrown everything at Ukraine and then win the war, possessing a barren and fully destroyed country, dio bo?

    2. I agree with you, with or without the US or whatever other countries, the Taiwan problem will still be there, I am sure no one will dispute that. The point the supposed ‘CCP lovers’ are trying to make is that the US is making things difficult for Taiwan to be reunited, that’s all.

    I simply hate it when people cannot win in an argument and then chooses to use the CCP lover, PAP lovers crap to divert and slam others, do you?

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  • Western sheep:

    Western unthinking sheep always trying to whitewash US.

    The Taiwan problem is US created. No doubt. US is the warmonger selling arms to Tsai and encouraging her to go independence. Big Traitor Tsai willing to make millions of people into cannon fodder.

    China has been patient working on peaceful, willing merger for half a century. Until the US comes in with Tsai as the willing trait**.

    ah seng:
    You cant win argument with CCP lovers.

    I read all the comments:-

    1. Russia and China have better advanced weapons but cant use, they ok to keep losing to Ukraine….. LOL US has not used any advanced weapons but inflicting heavy damage on Russia’s war on Ukraine

    2. Anything is US or West problem.. Pelosis trip caused it… but reality is with or without her trip, Beijing was planning to retake Taiwan by force, otherwise why build so many frigates and many military bases in Fujian, Zhejiang, Guangzhou and Xiamen.

    Please lah, use logic and not die heart to analyse the bs. Critical think… not blind faith.

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    @ ah seng

    Point 1 is valid. I too feel weird.
    Now the discussion is just fighting with weapons excluding any nuclear warheads. Yet Tech is jumping too far ahead, one jump all the way to nuclear warhead nclear warfare. If thats the case, the whole earth is doom.

    China fire df41 or Russia fire s500, America also fire back its nuclear missiles. Europe also fire back its nuclear missiles. End result 大家一起死 or end result nobody will fire or forever never in use.

    I guess what you are implying.
    Why cant China just fire one DF41 without nuclear warheads at one US ship or watever. So fast so powerful so damage that US scare shitless ?

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    ah seng:
    You cant win argument with CCP lovers.

    I read all the comments:-

    1. Russia and China have better advanced weapons but cant use, they ok to keep losing to Ukraine….. LOL US has not used any advanced weapons but inflicting heavy damage on Russia’s war on Ukraine

    2. Anything is US or West problem.. Pelosis trip caused it… but reality is with or without her trip, Beijing was planning to retake Taiwan by force, otherwise why build so many frigates and many military bases in Fujian, Zhejiang, Guangzhou and Xiamen.

    Please lah, use logic and not die heart to analyse the bs. Critical think… not blind faith.

    Totally agree. TRE seems to be a magnet (or host?) for pro-CHN comments. One even argued previously with me that the Apollo moon landings were FAKE because USA was envious that RUS/CHN were on the verge of actual landing there first. This is how brainwashed/nonsensical these CCP lovers can be. They must have the same trainers as the pappies-doggies – only logic to them is to lick balls.

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  • xoxo:

    Huh,even Australia is trying to mend fences with China after the new PM took over,almost immediately.
    Morrison had destroyed the ties as he openly leaned towards U$A.

    The more U$A tries to stir *shit* in Taiwan by stirring *Tsai*,the more forceful China would likely be.
    Mighty U$A is unhappy that China has been progressing at a much faster rate than U$A in recent years.
    Chip technology is crucial going forward,what with AI n Robots.
    And Taiwan is largest producer n possesses the technical capabilities which U$A fears
    China will absorb should Taiwan REVERTS back to Mainland.
    It is like HK then when China absorbed the Financial n Commerce knowhow into Shanghai n tbe Coastal SEZs.

    U$A had abandoned Taiwan before during Nixon-Kissinger era for U$A’s own interest$.
    It is *supporting* Taiwan’s Independence ambition also for its very own self-interests more so than any altruistic ones?

    The once God-fearing USA has morphed into
    The MIGHTY u$a; who can deny?
    In God,we trust has given way to In $,we trust,hasnt it?

    So,where is the good USA the world once knew?

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  • idontbelieveinccpbs:

    @TR Tech

    Your logic:
    1. Yes, yes, Russia should have thrown everything at Ukraine and then win the war, possessing a barren and fully destroyed country, dio bo?

    2. I agree with you, with or without the US or whatever other countries, the Taiwan problem will still be there, I am sure no one will dispute that. The point the supposed ‘CCP lovers’ are trying to make is that the US is making things difficult for Taiwan to be reunited, that’s all.

    I simply hate it when people cannot win in an argument and then chooses to use the CCP lover, PAP lovers crap to divert and slam others, do you?

    My logic:
    1. Russia has flattened most of the places before they took over, Kharkiv is one. The city also unrecognisable, please dont try to bluff us here. They continued to rain bombs on the territories they want to take over, so your logic is probably your own assumption without reading the updates online.

    Ukraine: Massive destruction in Kharkiv after Russian bombardment
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1xFSCDy8Jo

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/8/its-barbaric-kharkiv-residents-devastated-by-russian-bombing

    Probably you only read CCP and RT Russian propaganda, these places are barely recognisable due to massive bombing.

    2a. Pelosi trip is not planned by President, he has no rights to control where she wants to go. US is a true democracy and they respect human rights unlike autocracies like China, Russia.

    2b. If Taiwan is attacked, a number of nations will help Taiwan defend, maybe US will be one of them, or even Japan or whatever. They believe in true democracy and spirit.

    2c. Taiwan is also asking help, so you cannot blame some countries will volunteer for whatever the reason. If Singapore is going to be invaded by Malaysia, would not other countries come and help Singapore too? You are so pro CCP that you think its a crime when other countries step in. But if you are Taiwan, you will not think so. Same as Ukraine isnt it?

    2d. One China does not mean CCP-China only, it could be democractic-China, at this moment, majority of Taiwanese do not want to unify with CCP-China. If CCP wants to invade and unify, it is their own goal, it has nothing to do with Taiwan.

    Your arguments are typical CCP lover what, dont you love CCP, Xi and Putin?

    Tech: Fair enough, I can accept what you said. US may not be THE contributing factor to Taiwan’s issue, but it is one of them. As for whether these supposed democratic countries will help defend taiwan or not, is anyone’s guess. Hot air ballons are basically what it is, just hot air.

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  • admirer:

    Lets agree on one thing, China wants Taiwan in order to unify, whether amicably or by force. If Taiwan is as big rich like China, I am sure, it is same logic. They are two Chinese parties who fought one another and KMT lost and retreated to Taiwan.

    The next thing, if you are Taiwan, will you surrender amicably and unite to be ruled by CCP as One China. You wont, right… unless you dont have a choice. It is like if Singapore govt wants to run this country like CCP, one party state, would you agree? Since 61% voted PAPPY, would 39% agree to accept one party state. Again you wont.

    So there are people here who support China or Taiwan, whatever China says, they support. China says US is the problem, supporter also agrees.

    But why now so much BS? Really US?

    The world is at peace, we enjoy prosperity since WW2. Now why suddenly so many issues…. Russia invaded Ukraine and why China becoming so aggressive to so many nations. Remember China is at odds with most neighbours in the South China Seas due to building many infrastructures, 9 red dash dot and constant harassing fishermen, airspace and ignored international court ruling on sovereignty. This has nothing to do with US. You mean whole world is against China rise?

    The CCP propaganda will claim its US and they want to sell weapons and make tonnes of money. But in reality, US is pouring so many billions into Ukraine to help them defend. But again, CCP propaganda will raise all other wars in the middle east to justify why US is evil and of course CCP lovers will forward and praise China.

    Lets say we propose a peaceful solution and let voters in Taiwan and China vote to unify and have free election. Would CCP agree? LOL

    Tech: I agree. Politics is a very complicated and dirty game, it is really beyond most of our paygrade, we can only talk cock and sing song and anyhow guess. Better to just leave it to the people concerned, only they know what they are doing.

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  • TC:

    Aiyo, why China must attack Taiwan?

    If China allows 20 mil people to go to Taiwan, Taiwan will become theirs without firing one bullet.

    If 5 mil Chinese come to Spore, we also become part of China.

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  • Foreigners everywhere:

    https://www.facebook.com/47298465905/posts/pfbid037wm3joWArcZfJjs2QBBjDEdsAammBzY5L6ACnPmfknfSqGH6ooF3phYA24GXVinBl/

    CCP Dictator Xi has the latest reunification paper, removed earlier conditions. And look at Taiwan response.

    A line in the 2000 white paper that said “anything can be negotiated” as long as Taiwan accepts that there is only one China and does not seek independence, is also missing from the latest white paper.

    China has withdrawn a promise not to send troops or administrators to Taiwan if it takes control of the island, an official document showed on Wednesday, signalling a decision by President Xi Jinping to grant less autonomy than previously offered.

    All mainstream Taiwanese political parties have rejected the “one country, two systems” proposal, and it enjoys almost no public support, according to opinion polls. Taiwan’s government says only the island’s people can decide their future.

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  • Western Sheep:

    Your thinking is screwed.

    The world is at peace since WW2. Were you born yesterday?

    Whole world is against China rise? Your knowledge is so much western based. Your whole world is only the US and its followers. The real majority of the world supports China. Go count the number of countries who support China military exercises these last few days.

    9 red dashes have been around for centuries. It’s a western propaganda that Xi invented those.

    What International Court? Do you know which international court and its limits? USA talk so much about this court but it is not a member of this court. Why? US does not want to submit itself to this court’s rules.

    US pour money into Ukraine, but it is extracting money from Taiwan. Why does it pour money into Ukraine? Charity? Helping them defend? US is fighting Russia using Ukraine soldiers. Death of Ukraine soldiers and civilians is fine with US as long as Russians die. The aim is not “defend Ukraine.” The aim is destroy Russia using Ukraine soldiers and civilians. Let this US congress warrior tell you.

    “Yeah, because investing in the destruction of our adversary’s military, without losing a single American troop, strikes me as a good idea. You should feel the same.”

    https://twitter.com/dancrenshawtx/status/1524454243297546249?lang=en

    Your knowledge is so lacking. Typical western sheep who knows only western propaganda. “Go educate yourself.”

    admirer: The world is at peace, we enjoy prosperity since WW2. Now why suddenly so many issues…. Russia invaded Ukraine and why China becoming so aggressive to so many nations. Remember China is at odds with most neighbours in the South China Seas due to building many infrastructures, 9 red dash dot and constant harassing fishermen, airspace and ignored international court ruling on sovereignty. This has nothing to do with US. You mean whole world is against China rise?

    The CCP propaganda will claim its US and they want to sell weapons and make tonnes of money. But in reality, US is pouring so many billions into Ukraine to help them defend. But again, CCP propaganda will raise all other wars in the middle east to justify why US is evil and of course CCP lovers will forward and praise China.

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  • Western Sheep:

    Your starting point is wrong and then wrong all the way.

    Taiwan is not a country. It is a province within China.

    If Singapore soldier occupy Tekong, you want Indonesia army to come in and help defend Tekong? LOL.

    idontbelieveinccpbs: 2c. Taiwan is also asking help, so you cannot blame some countries will volunteer for whatever the reason. If Singapore is going to be invaded by Malaysia, would not other countries come and help Singapore too? You are so pro CCP that you think its a crime when other countries step in. But if you are Taiwan, you will not think so. Same as Ukraine isnt it?

    2d. One China does not mean CCP-China only, it could be democractic-China, at this moment, majority of Taiwanese do not want to unify with CCP-China. If CCP wants to invade and unify, it is their own goal, it has nothing to do with Taiwan.

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  • Taiwan province:

    This is China’s position.

    https://news.cgtn.com/news/2022-08-10/Full-Text-Taiwan-Question-and-China-s-Reunification-in-the-New-Era-1cnY4u7DjSE/index.html

    Neutral people, please read to understand China’s viewpoint.

    Western sheep, don’t read this. Wait for your western masters to come up with distorted versions for you.

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    admirer:

    The world is at peace, we enjoy prosperity since WW2. Now why suddenly so many issues…. Russia invaded Ukraine and why China becoming so aggressive to so many nations. Remember China is at odds with most neighbours in the South China Seas due to building many infrastructures, 9 red dash dot and constant harassing fishermen, airspace and ignored international court ruling on sovereignty. This has nothing to do with US. You mean whole world is against China rise?

    1) Actually this TWN issue till THIS DAY is because of only ONE party – China. Does people now still hold modern Germany responsible for what Nazi Germany did in WW2? Does Poland keep screaming over land taken from them after WW2 by Russia/Ukraine? Who is passionate about TWN except China? Does the current generation really care what happened 70-80 years ago? Some claimed that MOST Taiwanese wants to be reunited with China – sure or not? Why not let the current generations decide what they what. Also did US elected Tsai or the Taiwanese elected her? Did they learn from pap on how to kelong a presidential election?

    2) China economy has not been doing well this year, largely due to their policy on covid and on reining in the tech firms. There is (verified) discourse on the ground; the favorite tactic for politicians is to redirect attention onto an EXTERNAL issue, better still painting that a foreign power is causing it. Hence Polsenki’s visit is a very opportune excuse to drum up the nationalistic fervor (to a level higher than necessary, what else?). Blaming USA or father or mother or God is also a convenient scapegoat – someone must be “responsible” for the slowing GDP, the constant lockdowns, etc. right? One must remember XJP really needs political points now to enshrine his third term in office.

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    @ The real majority of the world supports China. Go count the number of countries who support China military exercises these last few days.

    有啲 marketing 成份!

    Anyway i try looking but cannot find info. Can you kindly present the link ?

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