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China will invade Taiwan eventually

China will invade Taiwan eventually and it will disregard international views.

It is not doing it right now because it still lacks the necessary military might to achieve a decisive victory. It has nothing to do with how other countries look upon its military actions.

Russia invading Ukraine is fundamentally different from China invading Taiwan and that’s how the Chinese view it.

Invading Taiwan for “reunification” is seen as reclaiming its sovereignty for China. It is different from Russia invading another sovereign country.

As most countries, including US has recognized One China principle, there isn’t any political angle to create global backlash over such invasion.

Morever, China has skilfully utilized its economic and financial strength to buy support from lots of countries via OBOR strategy.

If US and its allies didn’t even dare to declare war against Russia openly and embarked on direct confrontation for its blatant invasion of another sovereign country, what makes you think these same fellows will fight an even more difficult sea war against China when it was reclaiming its sovereignty over Taiwan?
It is about Nuclear Power.

A good expert will notice the difference between 1996 Taiwan Strait crisis vs current crisis. US sent 2 aircraft carriers to sail through Taiwan Strait during the 1996 crisis, effectively stopped China from further provocation.

But in current crisis, 7th fleet was stationed a far distance away from Chinese military exercise zones.

Furthermore, the apparent reservation of South Korean President shown via his cold treatment towards Nancy’s visit is quite alarmingly.

Talk is Cheap, Hypocrisy is Cheaper. Actions speak louder.

 

Goh Meng Seng

 

 

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151 Responses to “China will invade Taiwan eventually”

  • Chinaman:

    Yes China will INVADE Taiwan eventually.
    BUT it is wrong to think that it will do it when it has the MIGHT.
    CHINA will do it ANYTIME SOON. The longer it delay, the diminishing capabilities it gets.

    Eventually, there will be a time where its economy cannot handle its large population demanding reforms as a result financial collapse and wide spread famine. History repeats.

    And a need to dispense the population to cut cost to the economy.

    CCP took over in 1949, then in 1950 send millions in Korean war.

    What do you think? Human only take water, air and sunshine?

    War does not started because one party thinks it has more might than the other, war started when one thinks it has a better chance backed with politics and domestic agendas and complications.

    But, the best is for China to have civil war internally again only that the world can avoid WW3. And because of this worry of internal military struggle, China currently is separatly administering the weapon, ammunition and personnel under different commands.

    China is at its last struggle from world chips and fuel sanction. Its financial might was badly damaged the day Hong Kong was slaughtered.

    China knows what’s like to live like North Korea. Before that happens, there will two things likely to happen :

    1. A large scale war will start
    2. A coup will happen:
    a. Success, lead to power change and quick deceleration of external war
    b. Failure, lead to beginning of tyrant rule
    c. Derail, lead to a full scale civil war

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  • Chinaman:

    You didn’t know this, don’t you?

    From the 50s, both Taiwan and Japan carried MIUSA nuclear bombs.

    You are naive to think just because China is a nuclear power, it will be scared.

    And obviously you are military retard. US carrier need to operate at a ‘safe distance’. When the carrier is operating near to any potential conflict zone, the assessment is SAFE. And when it operates at a safe distance, then everything will be loaded.

    And korea’s cold treatment to Pelosi arrival? You must be reading those China controlled media, did you know there was a declaration by the korra foreign ministry on ‘三不一限’?

    Xi can get the warmest boiling hot reception by the Saudis, but what go on will go.

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    “… It is not doing it right now because it still lacks the necessary military might to achieve a decisive victory. It has nothing to do with how other countries look upon its military actions….”

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    At least GMS got this right, though for whatever reason(s) he thinks. Basically, invading TWN will be an amphibious operation and CHN currently is deficient in amphibious capability, definitely for a scale like taking a large island like TWN. All the “experts” just talking lan-cheow about comparing this and that weapons, why CHN is superior, using nukes, blah, blah, blah.

    “….A good expert will notice the difference between 1996 Taiwan Strait crisis vs current crisis. US sent 2 aircraft carriers to sail through Taiwan Strait during the 1996 crisis, effectively stopped China from further provocation….”

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    An average person will notice in 1996, handphones were 1G; in 2022 it is 4G. So it is with weaponry and range of engagement.

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  • BK:

    Excellent @ Chinaman.

    And GMS was making a distinction bwt China and Spore; Spore needs China more he says. Depends!

    Does he know that in the now rather long forgotten BRI of Xi, Spore received the most flow of funds after Pakistan and Indonesia? About USD 40 billion.

    Nothing to build here, but we facilitate the financial flow. Ppl tend to underestimate the crucial role of flow of capital; movement of capital is like blood, u may talk about the brain, the muscles etc, no blood means die!

    And in some ways becoz we have good relations with US, China uses us to skirt US whatever.

    In fact, our usefulness to China is becoz we have good relations with US, and vice-versa. These ppl liked TKL, GMS are really dull!

    And yes, China is , at least medium term, deteriorating, and this may eventually need an external outlet. Hopefully after that, the true Chinese spirit emerges!⁸⁵

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  • Zhenzidan:

    Yes, talk is cheap. China has been talking about “invading Taiwan” for nearly 70 years, until now still talking only. When Taiwan held its first democratic elections in 2000, DPP Chen Shui Bian was advocating independence. China responded by holding huge military drills around Taiwan Straits, telling Taiwanese voters, try voting for pro-independence DPP and see what you get. But Taiwan still voted for Chen Shui Bian. What did China do? Just KPKB only.

    Fast forward to 2022. Xi Jin Ping warned Biden about Pelosi’s possible Taiwan visit by telling Biden “don’t play fire or you get yourself burnt!” Wah lan! So garang! China Foreign Minister also used the phrase 拭目以待!(Try that and see what happens ) . A former newspaper editor even suggested “shooting down Pelosi’s plane”. Wah lan eh! Lagi garang! And PRC netizens also echoed this call, some even predicting Pelosi would chicken out!

    In the end? Pelosi landed in Taiwan and nothing happened to her. When she left Taiwan then China started the military drills again.

    Hello GMS. Don’t be like PRC netizens, thinking that Taiwan is just a small drop beside China and will be easy meat. When Russia invaded Ukraine, these PRC netizens were cheering for Putin, calling him 猛男 and kept glorifying Russia’s gains, everyone predicting Ukraine will be gone in a few days’ time. Every PRC idiot treating Ukraine as Taiwan and Russia is China, and kept creating stupid TicToc videos about how Russia captured a lot of Big Fish from NATO countries fighting for Ukraine. But when US-made HIMARS artillery was able to inflict setbacks on Russian forces, slowing down their attacks, these PRC big mouths become muted.

    Ukraine was not well prepared for the Russian invasion and were ill-equiped, but still held on for 6 months and the govt still have not been toppled. And as more Western weapons arrived and the Ukrainian soldiers started to master them, Russian forces are finding the going tough and have lost more soldiers in 6 months compared to the 10 years when they invaded Afghanistan.

    Taiwan, on the other hand, had prepared themselves for many years and always upgrading their weapons. So don’t think China can easily makan Taiwan.

    As for PRC talk big idiots, just remember the Taiji Master Lei Gong, reputedly one of China’s top ten Taiji master, telling everyone on TV that Taiji can easily defeat MMA. When challenged by an amateur MMA fighter, this Taiji Grandmaster kena bleeding nose in just 10 secs!

    Another one, a Wingchun master, Ding Hao, said to be direct lineage of Ip Man also challenged that MMA amateur and also kena whacked jialat. But at least he lasted longer.

    So GMS, don’t behave like those PRC netizens—like to talk big!

    China leaders know that to take Taiwan by force, the price they have to pay is tremendous, and rebuilding Taiwan will be more expensive. They prefer to indirectly support the more pro-China KMT, which unfortunately has not found a good leader after Ma Ying Jeou.

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  • Flickshit:

    China should have invade Taiwan now. the more they delay it will be more difficult the more they delay.

    China has no guts and showing off its PAL army is useless.
    Put the blame on the Taiwan’s present President and it;s citizens wont blame China. It NOW or NEVER.

    But the sleeping dragon still lazy and sleeping and no guts.

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  • panyusg:

    China will invade Taiwan…soon… not eventually.

    - China has the military means to blockade Taiwan, to land forces and to achieve a quick victory

    - USA is now quite weak and has a very weak President.

    - The toxic Covid jabs have created significant injuries to US forces especially heart problems for their pilots. China knows that.

    - China is, in my opinion, pretended to jab but has never disclosed whether their 2 million strong armed forces have been jabbed. Lockdowns are the norm.

    - Taiwan is much smaller than Ukraine, has not had years of war experience, is armed with weapons that are inferior to China’s.

    - The big uncertainity is that with time, USA and the West may come up with even better strategies to defeat China. With the Ukraine War on-going, the world cannot focus on Two Wars. Maybe NK will start a third War to pin down US forces in the Korean peninsula. China cannot afford to wait.

    - To take Taiwan swiftly with minimum civilian casualties and minimal destruction to public services must be a priority.

    - Taiwan has few airbases and destruction of their runways will ensure that Taiwanese airforce jets are grounded. Taiwan does not have a big Navy.

    - My view is that a major landing will made at Kaohsiung, the giant container port. Once secured, massive land forces can be landed.

    - It only takes a day or so to drive from Kaoshiung to Taipei and there will be massive carpet bombing should Taiwanese forces resist.

    - I expect the Taiwanese leaders will be evacuated by US nuclear submarines at night as that is the only way to escape. China will let them go.

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  • panyusg:

    Chinaman:

    From the 50s, both Taiwan and Japan carried MIUSA nuclear bombs.

    You are naive to think just because China is a nuclear power, it will be scared.

    Nice daydream. Taiwan has nukes? China has saturated Taiwan with spies and sympathizers.

    Be around when China has take back Taiwan swiftly and please write again.

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  • idontbelieveinccpbs:

    So GMS just confirmed that Pelosi trip isnt a real trigger, China Xi is planning to invade to become the Great Conqueror who unify China. Putin invading Russia and Xi invading Taiwan have same reason, both want to go down in history as Great Conqueror, one trying to unify the old Soviet Union and the other to unify one China. Both are autocracts and power hungry. GMS supports China invasion from this piece, he is clearly a CCP lover like TR Tech or TKL.

    Ukraine, US and allies refused to lend physical support, sending money and arms. In the case of Taiwan being invaded, the minimal US and allies will also do the same. US and allies fear of WW3 if they physically involved in the war. All US presidents had remained ambiguous about sending troops to defend Taiwan except Biden, Biden said he will but god knows.

    China has not invaded because it fears the economy and backslash, the country has moved so much to arrive to such today, a war will surely cost them 10 or 20 years decline. This is the key reason to why Xi is hesitating even Putin has gone ahead to invade despite the grave consequences of sanctions. If you look carefully, Xi is already preparing the country and economy to get ready for an invasion by not opening up the economy and country. Most China citizens are still trapped in China and not allow regular overseas travel, most cannot even renew their passports. And their regular brainwashing that US/West is the evil guy and bashing constantly for last 3 years to get ready for war.

    Yes 50/50% Biden if still the president will live up to his words to send troops. Japan said it will send troops to defend China, but still 50/50%.

    If I am US and allies, I will send attack Russia and China altogether if they invade Taiwan. There is no point sending troops to defend Taiwan. If you want to kill the tiger, go to its den. Remember Japan refused to surrender even after being defeated, its only after US dropped two atomic bombs that they surrender.

    Why attack Russia and China? These two countries if not neutralise now, they will eventually become big tigers, too big and difficult to tame. If start war, since it is already in war, do it once and for all, take them out in the earlier strikes, swift and sharp. Long war benefits no one.

    If China takes Taiwan and Russia takes Ukraine, the world would gradually turn into another WW3. North Korea may also starts to show their fangs and with invasion success, surely Russia will expand further, taking few other countries which were under Soviet Union.

    Hoot la…. China and Russia wont win if US and allies combine.

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  • xoxo:

    Mighty u$a wants to continue to be seen as MIGHTY.
    IF mighty u$a sees a BIG THREAT especially from non-white countries ,it will use all ways to destroy it.
    That China will surpass u$a in economics is too uncomfortable and u$a will try to slow it down for as long as possible.

    A war between China and Taiwan will only harm the chinese people on both sides of the Straits.
    Washington n NYK will still be intact unless WWIII erupts.

    Is that the u$a wants?
    *Losing* face is better for Taiwan than losing lives and *properties*.
    It is TOO LATE NOW for Taiwan to want to be left alone as a SEPARATE SOVEREIGN when it might have been likely to decades ago.China has waited for this day.

    This is a domestic affair for both China and Taiwan to RESOLVE.
    ANY OUTSIDER ATTEMPTING TO STIR IS DOING IT FOR ITS’ OWN INTERESTS.

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  • Singaporean R Free Rider:

    Chinaman: But, the best is for China to have civil war internally again only that the world can avoid WW3.

    Yes, let the Chinese kills each other and wipe themselves while we watch.

    This will benefits the world with more business for Americunts and Singapore.

    Pelosi questioned over taking son on Taiwan trip using government expenses
    https://bit.ly/3vZ5Wiy

    In Dollar$ We Tru$t
    Prai$e the Dollar$
    Glory be with the Dollar$

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  • Singaporean R Free Rider:

    China has skilfully utilized its economic and financial strength to buy support from lots of countries via OBOR strategy.
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    China got economic/financial strength ?

    Wan lan, GMS go get your brain check. China is bankrupting soon.

    Just google and you will find many information on it.

    Or you can go read up Harder Truth post to get enlightened.

    China, the sick man of east, dare not and will not invade Taiwan.

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  • Singaporean R Free Rider:

    As most countries, including US has recognized One China principle,
    ============================yo=======================================
    That is why you are condemned by so many here…STOP licking CCP balls.

    Most countries support One China Policy? You stopid..get your bain check.

    Go read the declaration by U$, Australia and Japan.

    https://www.state.gov/u-s-australia-japan-trilateral-strategic-dialogue/
    There is no change in the respective one China policies, where applicable

    Where applicable = we recognize One China Policy (when we happy)
    Where not applicable = we don’t recognize One China Policy (when we not happy)

    Goh Meng Seng, STOP licking CCP balls, it is contaminated with Wuhan virus.

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  • Singaporean R Free Rider:

    Chinaman: Xi can get the warmest boiling hot reception by the Saudis

    Hahaha… the Chinese will get their backside poked hard by the Saudis

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  • Asd:

    I think go ming sin is becoming like tan king kong

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    BK:
    Excellent @ Chinaman.

    And GMS was making a distinction bwt China and Spore; Spore needs China more he says. Depends!

    Does he know that in the now rather long forgotten BRI of Xi, Spore received the most flow of funds after Pakistan and Indonesia? About USD 40 billion.

    Nothing to build here, but we facilitate the financial flow. Ppl tend to underestimate the crucial role of flow of capital; movement of capital is like blood, u may talk about the brain, the muscles etc, no blood means die!

    More like oxygen, without oxygen we are dead.

    Well observed. But too many CCP ar$e lickers here.

    After CCP clamped down on the pro demoncracy arsonists, Hong Kong is finished and this benefits Singapore.

    The Hong Kees only got themselves to blame for being used as canon fodders by Americunts.

    BK:
    And in some ways becoz we have good relations with US, China uses us to skirt US whatever.

    In fact, our usefulness to China is becoz we have good relations with US, and vice-versa. These ppl liked TKL, GMS are really dull!

    Bingo… +1

    Luckily TKL & GMS never get voted in.

    Singapore must seek our own unique way to survive and not get caught up with others politics.

    BK:
    And yes, China is , at least medium term, deteriorating, and this may eventually need an external outlet. Hopefully after that, the true Chinese spirit emerges!⁸⁵

    Please don’t release the wrong spirit … LOL… we don’t need PM2.5 cancerous smoke seventh month spirit observation.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    panyusg: Nice daydream. Taiwan has nukes? China has saturated Taiwan with spies and sympathizers.

    I can only say that Chiang came close to developing it but was stopped by Americunts.

    panyusg:
    Be around when China has take back Taiwan swiftly and please write again.

    Sea blockade possible but landing forces in Taiwan, not going to happen.

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  • panyusg:

    A big factor is the 20th National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party in NOvember, where Xi is likely to secure a 3rd term of office. The term limits were removed in a previous Congress.

    To invade Taiwan and risk being bogged down like Ukraine War will mean Xi will not get his term extension. No certainty of a quick victory. USA and the West are probably drawing up plans to frustrate Xi.

    Plus the US Congressional elections are due on Nov 8, 2022 coinciding perhaps with the 20th National Congress. The GOP are predicted to win by a handsome margin. But the Whitehouse is under a feeble Democrat President.

    It will be Biden vs a GOP-led Congress and I do not expect Biden will follow the dictates of GOP. He to be mindful of 2024 too.

    As such, I think, the scenario will be..
    - Xi waits till his term is secured
    - Waits to see what happens to the US elections

    Any War can be done in late Nov onwards as the cooler weather favors War plus in mid-winter the Taiwan Straits will become quite rough and stormy. So, there is a window for the Taiwan War.

    Should Xi gets bogged down in Taiwan, his position is secured anyway and he can throw hundreds of thousands to the battle. Winning is assured, just the question of how long it takes.

    A US administration that is GOP Congress vs Democrat Presidency will need time to dance together. Hence a chance for China to exploit.

    Plus by then Europe will be facing energy shortage, economic hardship, Russian gaining more territory.

    Plus I expect NK to be roped in to start some action at the DMZ just to tie down US forces.

    November 2022 may be the month. Too late to start a Taiwan War and be distracted from organizing the all important China Congress.

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  • panyusg:

    A China-Taiwan War will not affect Asean much. China has always insisted it is a China problem and everyone else should not get involved.

    However, Singapore will be in a tough spot as US warships and even planes refuel and replanish in Singapore. It may stop doing so just to avoid a severe backlash from China.

    However, Singapore has military assets in USA and will be under much US pressure. A solution will be supplying US forces afloat i.e. transferring fuel, water and food stores just outside Singapore territorial boundaries with all GPS positioning data switched off.

    Asean will adopt a non-interference stance.

    The G20 Summit in Bali is also around the Nov time-frame. Xi is attending and may wish to defer any War till after the summit.

    So…late Nov or early Dec? If that window is missed, it has to skip mid-Winter and wait till after the Chinese New Year in 2023

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  • Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    Even if China has the naval capability (which she does not), I doubt China will dare “invade”/”liberate”? Taiwan. That would be suicide & CCP knows it.

    If CCP is STUPID enough to invade or place a blockade/siege around Taiwan via military force, then they will fall into the TRAP of the US hawks (like many Middle East countries)

    US & her allies (including Japan) actually HOPES that China makes the 1st wrong move against Taiwan, so that they will have a pretext for war against China. That is why US intentionally sends her huge armada of warships & Nancy Pelosi to “spark” a war and LURE the CCP into a fight at sea.

    China will definitely LOSE a CONVENTIONAL naval war with the Western navies, just like she did during The Opium Wars of the mid 1800s, whereby Chinese junk ships were out-gunned & out-ranged.

    In a conventional ground war though, China will eventually win even against the combined might of US + UK + EU + Australia + Japan, because China will leverage her huge population as both shield & cannon fodder.
    Fortunately for Taiwan, she is separated by the Taiwan Straits so a brutal ground war is not possible (unlike in Ukraine).

    You need bloody boots on the ground to hold & “win” territory.
    The Vietnam war and Afghanistan (which btw, the US LOST on both counts despite far better technology) is the most vivid demonstration of that rule.

    So the only alternative now for CCP to have a decisive “win”, is to launch a missile barrage at Taiwan to completely destroy the island. Conventional missiles will not be sufficient. Only Nukes can neutralize the entire island, but CCP will not dare to go to such an extent.

    US may get Japan to station a large number of troops on Taiwan. This is the most likely escalation path with the LEAST risk to all parties, but still keep a tight rein on Chinese expansionist ambitions in the SCS.

    I’m NOT saying I support the US/Western hegemonic agenda (watch video here: https://www.bitchute.com/video/sI9sB1fHQsiJ/) nor am I oblivious to the ills of the CCP regime (who have done many inhumane things too).
    It is not all simple Black & White.

    So the LEAST risky option for everyone is to have JAPANESE military stationed in Taiwan but WITHDRAW all US/Western military forces.

    That way, everyone saves some face & retreat peacefully. With Japan doing her part to pay the bills for her overseas military force, US saves a lot of money, while China will NOT dare to do an amphibious assault. It also plays somewhat to the Japanese inclination to ape Westerners in “colonizing” others, only here its a “fake” colonization. Meanwhile, the CCP also cannot use “Western imperialism” as propaganda excuse since Taiwan is allying with Japan to maintain STATUS QUO – meaning no unnecessary war & no bloodshed.

    Remember, if a hot war starts (proxy or otherwise), the Taiwanese will always be the biggest LOSERS & PAWNS, in ANY scenario, so best for Taiwan to play the game carefully & wisely.

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  • Face the Reality:

    @Zhenzidan:

    When that “shoot Pelosi’s plane down” article appeared, the first one cannot sleep was the big man on top. Also include all the very rich Chinese peoples in China.

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  • BK:

    panyusg: Nice daydream. Taiwan has nukes? China has saturated Taiwan with spies and sympathizers.

    Be around when China has take back Taiwan swiftly and please write again.

    US had Matador nuclear cruise missile deployed in Taiwan in 1950s. Later, nuclear bombs in 1960.

    Nixon supposedly after meeting Mao had the nuclear arsenal removed all by 1974. But who really knows?

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  • SS:

    China’s military circus around Taiwan is more of scene and grotesque displays. A typical face-saving exercise, as is its’ limited sanctions on Taiwan. This may suggest that China does not want to blow up its relationship with the United States entirely or irretrievably.

    Not excusing China’s behavior, sounds like China is launching 24/7 “military exercises” around the island. This is obviously an ominous situation possibly leading up to a blockade or worse. This is still China’s back yard and we should not assume they are bluffing. A slow takeover of Taiwan by China has begun and will accelerate. It remains to be seen whether the U.S. will intervene.

    In the 1943 Cairo Declaration, the US officially recognized Taiwan a part of China; the US reaffirmed the Cairo Declaration in the 1945 Potsdam Declaration, where the sole legal Government of China was ROC. In 1978 the US recognizes the Government of the People’s Republic of China as the sole legal Government of China. Thus, since 1978 the United States considers Taiwan a territory PRC. That’s it, Pelosi’s speech in Taipei mentioning a nonexistent “Taiwanese (sovereign) nation” can result in China’s sanction on her husband, and the executive branch’s allowing Pelosi using the military’s airplane instead of using her personal plane or a plane belonging to the legislative branch deserves China to cut off the military hotline. Everything is proportional. If Biden is disappointed by that, he could cut the relation with PRC and recognize ROC instead.

    For PRC’s drill, I’m not saying Pelosi’s visit not an excuse, but the Tsai authority in Taipei deserves that by inviting the house speaker of a country that does not recognize ROC and let her deliver such a speech. Not just the PRC should sanction the Tsai authority, the people of Kinmen and Matsu, two islands of Fujian (which is not part of Taiwan) under the administration of the ROC should also sanction Tsai for her discrimination against Fujianese ROC nationals and her attempt to separate Taiwan from mainland Fujian (regardless whether by hijacking Kinmen with Taiwan or by transfering Kinmen to PRC and sever Taiwan from Kinmen).

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  • NotMyProblem:

    Taiwan will be an excuse for China to fire the first bullet!

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  • Western Sheep:

    Are western sheep of the same standard as Americans, with only 1/3 able to identify the location of Taiwan?

    How many of you know which country is closest to Taiwan? No cheating.

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    China’s Wang Yi recently walked out of the ASEAN meeting. This is bad as it clearly shows China wants other countries to choose sides. What’s more he criticized the European Union over their rather muted stand over Peloski’ recent TWN visit. Now, why would EU support China when China refused to condemn Russia invading Ukraine???

    Basically, China gambled big that many countries (like NK) will lean toward the notion that China has the right to invade TWN for “unification” purpose. But it seems now it is turning out like Putin expecting Ukrainians to welcome the Russians with flowers and open arms – instead of Javelins, the middle fingers and HIMARS pin-point counterfire. No wonder many ccp-trolls are in damage control mode.

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    Japan closest to Taiwan.

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    Sea blockage ?

    Exactly how does that work ?

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  • Kissinger says:

    Kissinger blames US for war in Ukraine. Ignorant dogs and sheep blame Russia and China.

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  • Soccerbetting2:

    Obviously,China want Taiwan but it does not want to bomb Taiwan too unless no choice.First,it regard Taiwan as half brother system as half or part of Taiwanese people are actually china people previously from China.The other half of Taiwanese maybe Japanese descendant that occupy Taiwan due to the Qing dynasty period of Japanese contract occupation of Taiwan.And now Taiwan is advanced with Technology,well developed ,China does not want to destroy that technology especially wafer technology and many high tech plus banking and rebuild at a high cost.Secondly,financially a war is costly and China mainland is now well developed and the war bombing may spread over to Fujian which is not desirable.If the war is prolonged,china people may get angry with its government.Internal uprising and dis-unity in mainland China may affect the government.Covid spreading affect the war.Furthermore,Xi Jin Ping may not yet fully seized and control the whole power of China yet and war may cost him his post if he failed to take back Taiwan in a short time.Obvious,Xi Jin Ping doesn’t want war yet but want more economic which is best for China now.China of course will never give up Taiwan as it regard Taiwan as its territory.It does not mean China will never start the war since USA Pelosi arrival in Taiwan is good excuse to conduct exercise to surround Taiwan .Situation is good excuse to take back Taiwan now but is China ready ?

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  • Taiwan run road leechers:

    Who refuse to have a peaceful unification?
    Only those leeches that can run road with bags of money. Follow Afghan US-appointed President. Tsai preparing the national museum for shipping off.

    Afghan president fled with cars, helicopter full of money: Russia
    https://nypost.com › 2021/08/16 › afghan-president-fle…
    Aug 16, 2021 — Afghan President Ashraf Ghani fled the country with four vehicles and a helicopter full of cash, the Russian embassy in Kabul said

    Soccerbetting2:
    Obviously,China want Taiwan but it does not want to bomb Taiwan too unless no choice.First,it regard Taiwan as half brother system as half or part of Taiwanese people are actually china people previously from China.The other half of Taiwanese maybe Japanese descendant that occupy Taiwan due to the Qing dynasty period of Japanese contract occupation of Taiwan.And now Taiwan is advanced with Technology,well developed ,China does not want to destroy that technology especially wafer technology and many high tech plus banking and rebuild at a high cost.Secondly,financially a war is costly and China mainland is now well developed and the war bombing may spread over to Fujian which is not desirable.If the war is prolonged,china people may get angry with its government.Internal uprising and dis-unity in mainland China may affect the government.Covid spreading affect the war.Furthermore,Xi Jin Ping may not yet fully seized and control the whole power of China yet and war may cost him his post if he failed to take back Taiwan in a short time.Obvious,Xi Jin Ping doesn’t want war yet but want more economic which is best for China now.China of course will never give up Taiwan as it regard Taiwan as its territory.It does not mean China will never start the war since USA Pelosi arrival in Taiwan is good excuse to conduct exercise to surround Taiwan .Situation is good excuse to take back Taiwan now but is China ready ?

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  • c'est la vie:

    “”Talk is Cheap, Hypocrisy is Cheaper. Actions speak louder.”" how true! and the reflection thus is GMS, on coward on the run.

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  • panyusg:

    Soccerbetting2:
    Obviously,China want Taiwan but it does not want to bomb Taiwan too unless no choice.

    It is about what will be Taiwan’s response in a hostile invasion by China. Taiwan can blow up key bridges and tunnels, key communication centres, TSMC foundaries, all airports control towers and runways, etc. Even power stations.

    It is called scorched earth policy. To hand Taiwan intact to China may not be what the Taiwanese military may wish to do.

    All military are trained to fight and not to surrender meekly. The aftermath belongs to China.

    Plus with the first minutes of a barrage by China, I expect Taiwan to unleash most of its missiles in the direction of Shanghai, Hangzhou, Fuzhou, Xiamen and other coastal cities.

    This is asymetrical warfare. When you cannot win, you resort to terrorist tactics.

    Taiwan knows it will lose but before it does, how much damage should it inflict upon itself and China? Since Taiwan will not control its land, why leave it intact?

    It is not a red carpet walkover for China. Taiwan has keep quiet but that does not mean they are quivering in fear or ready to surrender. What surprise lie in wait will be seen when the War starts.

    Tech: Finally, someone who understands the implications. If China invades Taiwan, it is a foregone conclusion that Taiwan will fall, so scorching earth is not impossible, beginning with TSMC, which is worth hundreds of billions yearly in revenues and its destruction would melt the global supply chain for semiconductors and make the US very rich. It may be difficult for Taiwan to defend itself, but to blow up TSMC, it takes just a few minutes, if charges are already in place.

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  • panyusg:

    It is possible that a non-nuclear missile war between USA and China can erupt over a Taiwan war.

    USA can direct its missiles to key Chinese military bases. China will retialiate against US bases in S. Korea, Japan and Guam. This means war with S. Korea and Japan too.

    And phase 2 of the missile war will be Chinese ports and airports. The aim is to severely disrupt the ability of China to export and to import.

    Much easier for USA to bomb mainland China than for China to bomb mainland USA. Also a chance to severely disrup the economy of China.

    China has to factor in all possible scenarios. If a nuclear war starts, American have thousands of nuclear missiles that hundreds of Chinese cities will be destroyed…all Tier 1 and 2 cities will surely be destroyed.

    Beijing will be a nuclear wasteland for hundreds of years. So will Washington DC, New York, San Francisco, Honolulu, etc.

    The Taiwan war is a growing issue and one that China has to think through very carefully too. But if Taiwan declares independence that all bets are off.

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  • panyusg:

    PAP mandate strong:
    Sea blockage ?

    Exactly how does that work ?

    No need for a massive blockade. Just declare the sea around Taiwan to be off-limits to commercial vessels. All ships need insurance and War Insurance will be very expensive. Same goes for commercial flights.

    Look at Ukraine. Once war started, all commercial vessels stayed away. Even the Black Sea was taboo due to very high wartime insurance.

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  • k:

    So many fake angmohs here still believing in their white gods and probably very pleased to think or hoping to be the illegitimate children of the angmohs.

    Angmoh tua kee. But they did not know that the angmohs will kill their asses if they are found in the streets of angmoh countries.

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  • xoxo:

    American Democracy?
    We know Commies is RED.
    Is American Democracy *WHITE* ONLY or white & black?
    So much for those WHITE WORSHIPPERS.
    If some are conned by Red propaganda,many more are blinded by WHITE one.

    Thats the hard truth.

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    “China will invade Taiwan eventually….”

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    Meanwhile, the pappies tell Singaporeans they will deliver Swiss Standards eventually; we will qualify for World Cup eventually; their pig can fly eventually; HSK was supposedly to be 4G pap leader eventually; flooding will be same as ponding eventually; mee siam will have hum eventually; cotton will be made from sheep eventually; etc …

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  • Partial truth?:

    Kissinger is obsolete.

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    “Sea blockage of Taiwan…”

    ———-

    North, east and southern parts are international waters (even discarding the nonsensical Dash-9 line to west and south). PRCN hindering international trade in these areas would be paramount to declaration of war.

    Also, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, USN-Pacific, possibly even Philippines have US-made missiles. Say a PRCN ship doing the blockage got hit by a Harpoon SSM – sure, maybe can tell from the signature it is a Harpoon, but who fired it? China gonna to retaliate against every possible country, meh? Good luck.

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  • the saint:

    If war starts,it will not end until Taiwan is conquered by China.
    That means widespread sufferings inflicted on Taiwan and its citizens.
    China is determined to unify Taiwan with *Mainland*,war or no war.
    If China starts to win,Americunts will quickly pull-back like it did so many times in Asia before.

    Diplomacy is a WIN-WIN for ALL,not just Taiwan and China.
    Eitherway,Taiwan would be returned to China,its not whether but when.
    Taiwanese leaders need to be wise not selfish as it will be Taiwan n her people who will suffer even as the leaders escape to seek asylum elsewhere shud Taiwan fall.

    Tech: The US is nothing but a big bully, talk big nia when it comes to China. Bully Iran, Iraq, etc small countries can, but when it comes to China and the bigger countries, talk kok lar. If China were to invade Taiwan tomorrow, the US will be crying father and crying mother and making a lot of noise from thousands of miles away, you think their carrier dare enter the straits meh? Don’t need a PhD to see that the US is playing phycho with China when it comes to Taiwan affairs, if they really serious, why wait to gift Taiwan with plenty of SAMs and ABMs, since their law allows them to do so?

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  • knn:

    theforgottongeneration:
    “Sea blockage of Taiwan…”

    ———-

    North, east and southern parts are international waters (even discarding the nonsensical Dash-9 line to west and south). PRCN hindering international trade in these areas would be paramount to declaration of war.

    Also, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, USN-Pacific, possibly even Philippines have US-made missiles. Say a PRCN ship doing the blockage got hit by a Harpoon SSM – sure, maybe can tell from the signature it is a Harpoon, but who fired it? China gonna to retaliate against every possible country, meh? Good luck.

    Now you know why the PMETs are unemployed? No talent, no brain. Talking nonsense very good. Talk until no head, no tail.

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  • knn:

    theforgottongeneration:
    “Sea blockage of Taiwan…”

    ———-

    North, east and southern parts are international waters (even discarding the nonsensical Dash-9 line to west and south). PRCN hindering international trade in these areas would be paramount to declaration of war.

    Also, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, USN-Pacific, possibly even Philippines have US-made missiles. Say a PRCN ship doing the blockage got hit by a Harpoon SSM – sure, maybe can tell from the signature it is a Harpoon, but who fired it? China gonna to retaliate against every possible country, meh? Good luck.

    Now you know why the PMETs are unemployed? No talent, no brain. Talking nonsense very good. Talk until no head, no tail.

    Partial truth?:
    Kissinger is obsolete.

    Kissinger brought about the breakup of the USSR without firing a shot.
    The clowns in Washington are backing another clown in Ukraine but cannot make any headways despite billions being sent, with advanced weapons.

    Who is obsolete? Think, stupidity has no cure. Oops, oops, oops, forgot you can’t think.

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  • knn:

    panyusg: It is about what will be Taiwan’s response in a hostile invasion by China. Taiwan can blow up key bridges and tunnels, key communication centres, TSMC foundaries, all airports control towers and runways, etc. Even power stations.

    It is called scorched earth policy. To hand Taiwan intact to China may not be what the Taiwanese military may wish to do.

    All military are trained to fight and not to surrender meekly. The aftermath belongs to China.

    Plus with the first minutes of a barrage by China, I expect Taiwan to unleash most of its missiles in the direction of Shanghai, Hangzhou, Fuzhou, Xiamen and other coastal cities.

    This is asymetrical warfare. When you cannot win, you resort to terrorist tactics.

    Taiwan knows it will lose but before it does, how much damage should it inflict upon itself and China? Since Taiwan will not control its land, why leave it intact?

    It is not a red carpet walkover for China. Taiwan has keep quiet but that does not mean they are quivering in fear or ready to surrender. What surprise lie in wait will be seen when the War starts.

    Tech: Finally, someone who understands the implications. If China invades Taiwan, it is a foregone conclusion that Taiwan will fall, so scorching earth is not impossible, beginning with TSMC, which is worth hundreds of billions yearly in revenues and its destruction would melt the global supply chain for semiconductors and make the US very rich. It may be difficult for Taiwan to defend itself, but to blow up TSMC, it takes just a few minutes, if charges are already in place.

    Please use your blains lah.
    The options for Taiwan, reunification, just change the flags, no more quarrelling with China, life goes on, economy booms, everyone gets richer and lives better.

    Refuse reunification, all becomes dead meat. Everything blown apart and nothing left.

    The pragmatic would choose reunification. The unthinking would choose to become dead meat.

    Is that so difficult a choice? The Taiwanese so willing to wipe themselves out from the face of the earth for an unrealistic independent Taiwan?

    Tech: Reasonable, why not try convincing the Ulrainians, afterall, it was a part of Russia, no?

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  • Zhenzidan:

    Tech: Reasonable, why not try convincing the Ulrainians, afterall, it was a part of Russia, no?

    Has your illness made you senile? Ukraine gained independence in 1991 and Russia also recognized it. Taiwan never declared independence!

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  • Bananas are better than LJ:

    knn:

    Kissinger brought about the breakup of the USSR without firing a shot.

    Rewriting history for ownself argument? Now, that’s really KNN standards. Oh, oh, oh, that is called LJ-brain propaganda.

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  • BK:

    Typical sotongs, always 10 steps behind.

    “..But Kissinger also appeared to shift his stance on Ukraine joining NATO, nearly five months after Russian leader Vladimir Putin ordered an invasion of the neighboring Slavic state.

    He previously earned criticism for suggesting NATO’s openness to Ukraine joining its defensive pact was to blame for Russia’s brutal and unprovoked attack.

    ‘I was in favor of the full independence of Ukraine, but I thought its best role was something like Finland,’ Kissinger said in reference to Finland’s deal that includes having no standing military of its own.

    ‘Now I consider, one way or the other, formally or not, Ukraine has to be treated in the aftermath of this as a member of NATO…”

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11110441/amp/Henry-Kissinger-america-war-Russia-China.html

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  • SS:

    knn: Tech: Reasonable, why not try convincing the Ulrainians, afterall, it was a part of Russia, no?

    Unlike Ukraine, where the conflict is due to the out of control competition between Russia and the West, the tension over Taiwan is ultimately between China and Taiwan, where China seeks reunification while Taiwan is inching ever closer toward independence. The US is just exploiting the situation in its intensifying competition with China.

    One thing for certain is that China will not be deterred if Taiwan gets too close to independence, which is what is gradually happening with ever more US political and military support for Taiwan. For Taiwan’s sake, it makes much more sense to seek a diplomatic solution that can preserve the status quo, although it will require Taiwan to re-accept the One-China principle while deferring reunification to the future.

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  • Father of Modern China says?:

    “Of the people, by the people, for the people. If the idea of Revolution is to win out, it must be through Political Enlightenment. It is useless to try to impose it by force of arms… It is only after mature deliberation and thorough preparation that I have decided upon the Program of Revolution and defined the procedure of the revolution in three stages. The first is the period of military government; the second, the period of political tutelage; and the third, the period of Constitutional Government.”

    - Dr. Sun Yat Sen

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  • Pappies Ball Carriers:

    knn: Now you know why the PMETs are unemployed? No talent, no brain. Talking nonsense very good. Talk until no head, no tail.

    SG economy have learned to live with covid and move forward. Our GDP growth can potentially be higher than Ah Tong’s. Can’t say same for current China’s situation; LJs should be more worry about their own PMETs, this year they will have a large crop of unemployment. But of course, this will be hushed up. Lock down so long already still want to talk big?

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  • China Supporter:

    You turn out to be a China supporter!

    PAP mandate strong:
    Japan closest to Taiwan.

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  • Harder Truths:

    There are only two responses to China in either case:

    China absorbs Taiwan
    $inkie position : “Very wise! We hope this brings a new era of opportunity for all.”

    China leaves Taiwan alone.
    $inkie position : “Very wise! We hope this brings a new era of opportunity for all.”

    Don’t fiack with superpowers. Period.

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  • Zhenzidan:

    Tech: The US is nothing but a big bully, talk big nia when it comes to China. Bully Iran, Iraq, etc small countries can, but when it comes to China and the bigger countries, talk kok lar. If China were to invade Taiwan tomorrow, the US will be crying father and crying mother and making a lot of noise from thousands of miles away, you think their carrier dare enter the straits meh? Don’t need a PhD to see that the US is playing phycho with China when it comes to Taiwan affairs, if they really serious, why wait to gift Taiwan with plenty of SAMs and ABMs, since their law allows them to do so?
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    Looks like you’ve stayed in China too long until you now also inherit their talk big trait. U.S. scared of China? I dare say they fear Russia more than China. Not that they are no match for Russia but because they know the madman Putin can kee seow and really use nuclear missiles. US also have nuclear missiles but when both sides use them, there will be no winners, but the Madman Putin won’t care. His attitude is “want to die, die together”!

    China? If US scared of China, they would have been frightened by Xi Jin Ping’s “advice” , “play with fire you burn yourself”. They would also be frightened by China foreign minister’s tough warning “If Pelosi dares to visit Taiwan, see what will happen!”. In the end? Pelosi landed safely and loudly also!

    And you think China now very strong? They may be rich, but they haven’t fought any major war for 40 years! The last major war was the 1979 invasion of Vietnam, but it lasted only one month along the China-Vietnam border and China lost around 15,000-20,000 soldiers during that one month! USA, on the other hand, has been fighting wars everywhere around the world almost every year, so you think China can match them?

    I used to tell the PRC netizens who kept talking up China’s power:
    美国的强,是打出来的。中国的强,是吹出来的!

    I actually prefer to see peaceful reunification but I can’t stand PRC netizens always talking like all Chinese outside China must kowtow to the mainland just because they are a big country. I believe it’s this “big brother” attitude that pissed off a lot of Taiwanese and their response is: “The more you threaten, the more we don’t want reunification!”. Saw the report in Today newspaper? While China is holding all the military drills, life goes on in Taiwan as per normal. No panic.

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  • Kissinger says:

    Have you forgotten your medicine? You cannot tell the difference between past, present and future.

    BK:
    Typical sotongs, always 10 steps behind.

    “..But Kissinger also appeared to shift his stance on Ukraine joining NATO, nearly five months after Russian leader Vladimir Putin ordered an invasion of the neighboring Slavic state.

    He previously earned criticism for suggesting NATO’s openness to Ukraine joining its defensive pact was to blame for Russia’s brutal and unprovoked attack.

    ‘I was in favor of the full independence of Ukraine, but I thought its best role was something like Finland,’ Kissinger said in reference to Finland’s deal that includes having no standing military of its own.

    ‘Now I consider, one way or the other, formally or not, Ukraine has to be treated in the aftermath of this as a member of NATO…”

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11110441/amp/Henry-Kissinger-america-war-Russia-China.html

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  • BK:

    Lol. Do you even understand time? U think is two hands of a clock? (:

    U are borned with bad karma. Every twist boomerangs onto you.

    Kissinger changed his mind. So being the fraud that u are, keeps slithering liked a snake instead of braving the facts.

    ” The test of policy is how it ends, not how it begins…” Kissinger.

    Now, which is past, present and future, and how it correlates to time and space in the given/above context. Lol.

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  • SS:

    I believe China will forcibly take those two Taiwanese Islands(Kinmen and Matsu) of Fujian that are immediately off China’s coast by the end of the year – those that are closest to China, then sit back and see what the USA and Taiwan will do. Russia took Crimea first to see what US/NATO and Ukraine would do. When they did nothing, it invaded Ukraine in a more general sense to me. As a military historian, this current practicing by China is simply a prelude to combat operations against Taiwan islands closest to china.

    One of the most hazardous and fraught scenarios for the US military in all their War game analysis is the blockade of Taiwan by submarines and battleships in a combination of cyber-attacks including cutting off the underwater internet cable without even landing a single soldier on the island.

    This war game will not only provide the flexibility for China to control the situation under which they can either escalate or deescalate but also can cut off all the commercial activities from the island while keeping the American carriers 1000 miles away from the Chinese shore with DF17 and DF21 missiles system which is why Ronald Reagan stayed away when China encircled the island for the military exercise.

    Not only has China been preparing for this showdown with the US for the past 30 years but also they have the capability now while the US still figuring out how to deal with it in the age of Unsure America. Is the US ready to pay the price of fighting a war over Taiwan 8000 miles away with no assurance of victory?

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  • Loh KK:

    There are several points to note:

    1) China will not delay reuniting Taiwan because as it is, the present generation think themselves Taiwanese

    2) while China’s military might has grown, it must still work on the basis of US going to Taiwan’s aid if attacked. China needs to increase its naval capabilities first. This is where its fourth aircraft carrier comes in. I believe it should be ready in three or four years

    3) thus, China will not engage in an all out war at the moment. China will probably rely on a war of attrition by conducting military exercises that Taiwan will need to respond in case it is a sneak full blown attack. This may be detrimental to Taiwan’s economy and makes Taiwan easier to capture.

    4) China has seen how HK “behaved” with its freedom. With China’s security law, HK is quieter now. China will use the lesson of HK to apply for Taiwan.

    5) while US has an obligation to defend Taiwan by the Act Of Congress, I seriously doubt Americans have an appetite for war. Don’t forget, the USA has not won a war since WW2.

    So, I believe if any war breaks open, it won’t be for another 3 to 5 years.

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    Strange conclusion.

    Our pro china friend ask a question, i answered thats all.

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  • PAP mandate strong:

    @ The options for Taiwan, reunification, just change the flags, no more quarrelling with China, life goes on, economy booms, everyone gets richer and lives better.

    Richer ?
    China many retrenchments , pay cut as much as 30%. Young people almost 20% jobless or flexi jobs. Banks halt your credit card or limit your withdrawal.
    HK suppose to have increment but because of China situation , increment freeze. Many HK policeman criminated.
    China dip into HK reserve for mainland debt purposes.
    聲生不息 cannot sing cantonese but all in chinese. How weird.

    @ Refuse reunification, all becomes dead meat. Everything blown apart and nothing left.
    The pragmatic would choose reunification. The unthinking would choose to become dead meat.

    So is China fleets and east coast. As illustrated between Russia and Ukraine. 鹿死誰手 hard to say.

    @ Is that so difficult a choice? The Taiwanese so willing to wipe themselves out from the face of the earth for an unrealistic independent Taiwan?

    Is it so difficult for Xi to stop action or act tough act macho and intimidate Taiwan. Just back off biz as usual.
    Go HK dont even have the guts to stay overnight.
    Tsai never said independent. She said maintain status quo. Any way its your Xi doing to HK that cause Taiwan to reject China.

    Btw is it so difficult you migrate to China. Is it so difficult you go China, mask off show face and kow tow to Xi on national tv worldwide so that everybody can see ( or laugh ). Should be no big deal right since you worship him like a god.

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  • Temusik Patriot:

    There are millions of Taiwanese n family plus cronies in China doing business…sent them home with their new Cinese dependents amounting to 10 of millions n vote the anti China US puppies out of power. and no war lah!! But a unhappy Japan n US

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  • Kissinger says:

    Take your medicine before you reply next. Is your twisting affecting your medicine intake?

    Kissinger still blames US for war in Ukraine. Desperate dogs and sheep try to twist time. Some try to twist Kissinger. Desperate!

    Kissinger says:
    Kissinger blames US for war in Ukraine. Ignorant dogs and sheep blame Russia and China.

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  • SS:

    Tech: the US will be crying father and crying mother and making a lot of noise from thousands of miles away, you think their carrier dare enter the straits meh? Don’t need a PhD to see that the US is playing phycho with China when it comes to Taiwan affairs, if they really serious, why wait to gift Taiwan with plenty of SAMs and ABMs, since their law allows them to do so?

    Freedom of navigation is a long-held principle of global transportation. Despite China’s tantrum over the last week, it does not change the fact that any ship can cross the Taiwan Strait by the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea. The US cannot use that convention to claim right to sail Taiwan strait or other places. US has not ratified the convention.

    That said, the carrier battle groups will soon be in the South China Sea, and having U.S. and allied ships patrolling there should act as a deterrent to China and show solidarity for Taiwan. Let’s hope it works out that way.

    We’ll see whether US warships cruise through the straits soon enough. It makes one nervous having the two fleets on war footing, constantly within shooting distance where one mistake or miscalculation can set off catastrophe.

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  • NATO Power:

    Estonia offers Finland and Sweden to make the Baltic an internal sea of ​​NATO
    https://odessa-journal.com/estonia-offers-finland-and-sweden-to-make-the-baltic-an-internal-sea-of-nato/

    Russia navy will be locked in their bases. Great NATO and American power.

    SS: The US cannot use that convention to claim right to sail Taiwan strait or other places. US has not ratified the convention.

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  • BK:

    Alamak. Blur sotong. First of all, can u even read? Second, do u understand? Do u even really know Kissinger position?

    His article in 2014 shows his balanced position. U are a FRAUD, pretending to know.. (:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html

    “Putin should come to realize that, whatever his grievances, a policy of military impositions would produce another Cold War. For its part, the United States needs to avoid treating Russia as an aberrant to be patiently taught rules of conduct established by Washington. Putin is a serious strategist — on the premises of Russian history. Understanding U.S. values and psychology are not his strong suits. Nor has understanding Russian history and psychology been a strong point of U.S. policymakers.”

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  • theforgottongeneration:

    BK:
    Alamak. Blur sotong. First of all, can u even read? Second, do u understand? Do u even really know Kissinger position?

    Yo, no point arguing with trolls and fanatics. They will cherry pick and even rewrite events to suit their rhetoric. One even argued vigorously with me previously, claiming that the Apollo moon landings are fake, staged by US, as (per claimed) RUS/CHN were on the verge of actually landing there first. Well, if they were “on the verge” then why no RUS or CHN landings immediately after the Apollo program, not even into the 1970s? These are idiots born into propaganda school for sotongs.

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  • xoxo:

    Some here seem to worship the white men as though they represent DEMOCRATIC VALUES themselves and maybe as if angmoh tua kees are more holy(more perfect) than deities?

    I am no fan of communists but i do not hold *FEUDALIST$* in esteem as well.
    Is u$a a model of true democratic n MORAL VALUES?
    UsA has become the MIGHTY u$a even if white worshippers refuse to see.

    Taiwanese shud think twice or thrice before pining all their hopes on u$a.
    The final outcome will be the same,with or without a war and China will be the victor unless americunt$ go ALL-IN and starts a WORLD WAR III.

    TAIWAN IS MORE LINKED TO CHINA THAN TO ANY OTHER SOVEREIGN,be it MIGHTY u$a or others much like Hawaii is part and parcel of u$a?

    Let there be true PEACE,NOT pretensions to seek peace via aggression.
    Ultimately,Taiwan is CHINESE PEOPLE’S BUSINESS.

    I hope americans will not spur Taiwan into a warring region for us in Asia.
    I wish that China would allow Taiwan to be an independent sovereign but i wish more that Taiwanese leaders weigh the consequences for Taiwan n its citizens before going to war with China just to remain *separated*.

    Let there be PEACE,not just american brand of democracy.

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  • SS:

    NATO Power:
    Estonia offers Finland and Sweden to make the Baltic an internal sea of ​​NATO
    https://odessa-journal.com/estonia-offers-finland-and-sweden-to-make-the-baltic-an-internal-sea-of-nato/

    Russia navy will be locked in their bases. Great NATO and American power.

    Nice idea. But what is going on in the Baltic States with maneuvers confronting Russia is a more than dangerous game. The fact that in the treaty concerning the unification of Germany in 1989 was stated that NATO won’t expand into the Eastern States. An old Western European phrase says ‘Don’t incite the Russian Bear’. If something strange happens with the NATO maneuvers in the Baltic Sea, mad Rasputin will be biting back. What happened with Ukraine we have already seen!

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  • knn:

    theforgottongeneration: Yo, no point arguing with trolls and fanatics. They will cherry pick and even rewrite events to suit their rhetoric. One even argued vigorously with me previously, claiming that the Apollo moon landings are fake, staged by US, as (per claimed) RUS/CHN were on the verge of actually landing there first. Well, if they were “on the verge” then why no RUS or CHN landings immediately after the Apollo program, not even into the 1970s? These are idiots born into propaganda school for sotongs.

    You must be a sacked and now jobless PMET, totally kosong in the head. Now got so much free time, so full time talking nothingness here.

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  • Kissinger says:

    Kissinger’s statements are so clear, even P6 students can understand. But, someone who is used to throwing out fake stuff cannot understand.

    Former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger has told the Wall Street Journal that Washington has rejected traditional diplomacy, and in the absence of a great leader, has driven the world to the precipice of war over Ukraine and Taiwan.

    “We are at the edge of war with Russia and China on issues which we partly created, without any concept of how this is going to end or what it’s supposed to lead to,” Kissinger said in the interview, published on Saturday.

    Kissinger, now 99 years old, elaborated on the West’s role in the Ukraine conflict in a recent book profiling prominent post-WWII leaders. He described Russia’s decision to send troops into the country in February as motivated by its own security, as having Ukraine join NATO would move the alliance’s weapons to within 300 miles (480km) of Moscow.

    Kissinger says: Kissinger still blames US for war in Ukraine.

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  • BK:

    theforgottongeneration: Yo, no point arguing with trolls and fanatics. They will cherry pick and even rewrite events to suit their rhetoric. One even argued vigorously with me previously, claiming that the Apollo moon landings are fake, staged by US, as (per claimed) RUS/CHN were on the verge of actually landing there first. Well, if they were “on the verge” then why no RUS or CHN landings immediately after the Apollo program, not even into the 1970s? These are idiots born into propaganda school for sotongs.

    I know bro. That Moon Landing bs takes the cake! This is a glimpse of how these kind of ppl conjure up fantasies, motivated by pure chauvinism.

    I mean is ok to support China. But these guys liked u say, cherry pick or most likely copy and paste from some pro- China social media. And then without link, no context , no clarity of thought, just vomit and leave.

    In fact, not only Kissinger, but John Mearsheimer and George Kennan, set out the explanation and projection for Russian aggression, but the stupid ones used that as justification.

    Explanation is based on the ‘great power concept’; hegemonic powers will subdue the weaker ones.

    Justification as a more moral dimension; does Ukraine, a sovereign country gets to choose who they partner?

    Tech: Maybe they are not cooking things up? Maybe they are just plain ignorant, having been brainwashed by the party since young?

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  • BK:

    In fact, ppl liked Mearsheimer criticized US on Russian policy because he wanted US to get Russian on US side to confront China.

    But the stupid trolls used only his criticism of US without fully understanding his real intentions.

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  • Hi!:

    It is about the sovereignty & territorial integrity of there being simply ONE CHINA. IT IS NOT ABOUT DEMOCRACY OF COURSE. The western nations including especially the US know full well, but take advantage of the situation to “tear” China, conveniently & pretending to use democracy AS A PRETEXT, selling their own citizens short, even akin to conning their people & those around the world, many of whom just failed to recognize that CHINA HAS THE FULL & SOVEREIGN LEGAL RIGHTS to Taiwan as part of one whole China nation. Stating from facts & legality.

    Although LH* claims to be neutral, he is ACTUALLY IN ABSOLUTENESS NOT NEUTRAL at all. He sent our military to take part in so called “freedom of navigation” exercises in S China sea. IS HE FORMENTING TENSION & POTENTIAL WAR OR WORKING FOR PEACE?!. The answer is clear. Unfortunately he is proven by his actions to be a hypocrite & even bad & wick*d. Selfish interests. (non exagerrating but analytical). And Biden is worst of the lot, provoking China, creating a DANGEROUS POTENTIAL WAR IN THE REGION.

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  • BK:

    BK:

    Tech: Maybe they are not cooking things up? Maybe they are just plain ignorant, having been brainwashed by the party since young?

    Yo dude. I dont know la. But u know these guys were spilling white hate, CCP always right….

    While is true, the cognitive relation between State and ppl is different bwt West and China; the State is said to be the head of the Chinese family. But even among family members will have disagreements ma.

    But for me, Singapore interests not Chinese interests are more impt. Hope u are well bro!!

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  • MarBowling:

    Hi!:
    August 16, 2022 at 6:31 pm (Quote)
    It is about the sovereignty & territorial integrity of there being simply ONE CHINA. IT IS NOT ABOUT DEMOCRACY OF COURSE. The western nations including especially the US know full well, but take advantage of the situation to “tear” China, conveniently & pretending to use democracy AS A PRETEXT, selling their own citizens short, even akin to conning their people & those around the world, many of whom just failed to recognize that CHINA HAS THE FULL & SOVEREIGN LEGAL RIGHTS to Taiwan as part of one whole China nation. Stating from facts & legality.

    Although LH* claims to be neutral, he is ACTUALLY IN ABSOLUTENESS NOT NEUTRAL at all. He sent our military to take part in so called “freedom of navigation” exercises in S China sea. IS HE FORMENTING TENSION & POTENTIAL WAR OR WORKING FOR PEACE?!. The answer is clear. Unfortunately he is proven by his actions to be a hypocrite & even bad & wick*d. Selfish interests. (non exagerrating but analytical). And Biden is worst of the lot, provoking China, creating a DANGEROUS POTENTIAL WAR IN THE REGION.

    Response: Great and insightful comments. LJ Loong aka Mai Hum, unlike his Big Daddy Lee Kayu doesn’t have able and capable comrades and advisors(like S Rajaratnam, Dr Goh KS, Dr Toh CC, etc) to help him to ANALYZE or THINK IN DEPTH before making any decision wrt to MAJOR AND SERIOUS INTERNATIONAL ISSUES especially when it concerned conflict Big Brothers like USA, China, India, Russia! What Mai Hum has is a bunch of YESMEN and a few so-called expert advisers aka Red-Beard Advisers who are actually Birdbrain and Useless buggers!

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  • nathan chen .:

    US will engaged China at all costs this time if China use force on Taiwan to forced a reunion.

    The US’s reputation,prestige, and pride and of course it’s military prowness have never sank to a lower level in history.

    Starting from former president Obama who did not made good his threat when President Basher al-Saad of Syria crossed Obama’s point of no return Redline caught with irrefutable evidence using weapons of mass-destruction on the battle ground front lines and civilians in hospitals and residential ruins.Obama chicken out.Did not respond in kind.

    More recently President Biden’s hasty and undignified withdrawal of US troops in Afghanistan leaving behind US million dollars of military hardware and the millions of Afaghanistan people behind to the mercy of the Taliban’s are the kind shame Americans want to forget but never will.

    Xi Jin-ping is well aware a sustained war with the Americans will drag the Americans allies in sooner or later.

    Ukraine is not Taiwan.But almost the same principal world power leaders involved. It would be good for the rest of the free world to peg Putin,Xi,and Kim a notch or two down their pedestal of infamy using the same brute force the two have been using for decades on others.Time to fight fire with fire.
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  • theforgottongeneration:

    BK: I know bro. That Moon Landing bs takes the cake! This is a glimpse of how these kind of ppl conjure up fantasies, motivated by pure chauvinism.

    I mean is ok to support China. But these guys liked u say, cherry pick or most likely copy and paste from some pro- China social media. And then without link, no context , no clarity of thought, just vomit and leave.

    Yo, man. Yes, discussion can be for or against China or USA or whatever, as long as it is factual or presented based on reasonable inference.

    The danger of these “sotongs” is that they make fantasy to suit their aims: like moon landings are fake; that I’m sacked and jobless PMET; that Dash-9 line is the status quo; maybe next claim green aliens from Mars foretold that China has the right to rule the universe, etc. Such unfounded self-convictions will give rise to the “miscalculations” that many analysts are warning about in current heightened tension. The trolls and sotongs are just fueling this.

    On Ukraine, to make story short, why not just let the Ukrainians determine what they want? Not what Putin wants, not what NATO wants, etc… The common people there probably don’t give shxt about what which agreements were made after the collapse of the Soviet bloc by Kissinger or by my grandmother. I supposed this is more a democratic reasoning, a notion which may not be acceptable in commie states like Russia.

    @Tech, understand some TREs are based in China, can you give us an idea what the COMMON Chinese people thinks about all this stuff – like moon landings are fake? Or they too busy about bread and butter issues, or playing their handphones too? My time there, the local staff definitely influenced by cultural norms, like thinking WW2 was started in 1937, not the conventional accepted Poland 1939. Of course I didn’t see any good to change their point of reference. Ignorant is Bliss, or is Dangerous, hor?

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  • karmasutra:

    Only foolish people think they are smart by calling others stupid.
    Such is also how the PAP scholar-gahmen call singaporeans as in daft and no enough talent.
    What is so right about the way the westerners trying to hold on to their so-called superior ideology.
    Like some say here,a lot of singaporeans are blinded by western propaganda even as they blame others as stupid for subscribing to communist propaganda.

    Never call another stupid for it reflects one’s own foolishness.

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  • Western Sheep:

    You got it spot on. Only dogs and sheep ask the highly loaded question of when China will INVADE Taiwan. It implies that China and Taiwan are separate countries.

    The real question to ask is when US and its attack dogs will INVADE China. So far, US dare not attack any nuclear armed country.

    Now, South Korea president is offering candies to North Korea in exchange for nuclear missiles. Kim so stupid? For a few years, Trump tried to cheat Kim. Now, Yoon is trying the same trick. Must be on order from his colonial master. Without nuclear arms, the “candies” will be delivered by US soldiers.

    Hi!: It is about the sovereignty & territorial integrity of there being simply ONE CHINA. IT IS NOT ABOUT DEMOCRACY OF COURSE. The western nations including especially the US know full well, but take advantage of the situation to “tear” China, conveniently & pretending to use democracy AS A PRETEXT, selling their own citizens short, even akin to conning their people & those around the world, many of whom just failed to recognize that CHINA HAS THE FULL & SOVEREIGN LEGAL RIGHTS to Taiwan as part of one whole China nation. Stating from facts & legality.

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  • Think:

    Why are you so fixated on when WW2 started? Are you answering an exam question where there is a right answer?

    For me, WW2 started with Pearl Harbor attack in Dec 1941, when Japan formally fought with US. Then the war goes around the earth. Shortly after that, Singapore was attacked. So some Singaporeans can consider 1942 as starting date for WW2.
    What’s so great about “conventional accepted Poland 1939″?

    Even for such an arbitrarily decided date, you take the ang mo standard as Godly and call others ignorant. What does this show about you?

    theforgottongeneration: My time there, the local staff definitely influenced by cultural norms, like thinking WW2 was started in 1937, not the conventional accepted Poland 1939. Of course I didn’t see any good to change their point of reference. Ignorant is Bliss, or is Dangerous, hor?

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