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Are Singaporean Chinese, Chinese?

I just saw an interview with Trevor Noah on the BBC, where he had to famously defend the remark that “African-Americans” are “not African.” This interview reminded me of one of the most pressing and never-ending debates in nations that are multinational – namely the question of racial identity. Mr. Noah made the point that the problem with hyphenating racial identities was the fact that it underlines the notion that people of a certain skin tone are all the same, which is not true. Mr. Noah’s interview can be seen at: [LINK]

In a way, the question is racial identity used to be fairly easy to define. In Singapore we had four major races, namely the Chinese, Indians, Malays and Eurasians. Our first Prime Minister, Mr. Lee Kuan Yew, went out of his way to keep our subdivisions at four, which was most clearly seen in our language policies. Malay was the national language, thus for the national anthem and drill commands. English was the working language, which all of us spoke. Since most of the Indians were from Tamil Nadu, Tamil became the Indian language taught in school as a “mother-tongue.” People from other parts of India, like the Punjabis could learn – Malay at school. As for the Chinese community, Mr. Lee had something that no British colonial administrator had – the willingness and means of going to war against Chinese dialects in favour of Mandarin. In Mr. Lee’s Singapore, being Singaporean-Chinese was fairly easy. I am Singaporean because I was born here, served in the army and appreciated the way of life in Singapore. I was also Chinese because of my skin tone, celebrated Chinese New Year as the main festival of the year and spoke Mandarin when I wasn’t speaking English.

On a certain level, this was a success. Singaporeans of various ethnic groups could take pride in being Singaporean but also being able to communicate with people from elsewhere in a different language. The world was very clear cut. You speak Mandarin with Chinese, Tamil to Indians, Malay to Malays and English to anyone with a drop of “White DNA.”

However, whilst this was very easy, it does not reflect the world as it actually is. People of the same skin-tone are not necessarily the same. I got this lesson early in life as an ethnic Chinese growing up in the West in the late eighties and nineties. One of the funniest experiences was being in Port Angeles (main economic activity – logging), in the Pacific North West of the USA, when an old lady rushed up to me to practice the one Japanese phrase she had been practicing for a while. It was very flattering that she wanted to practice the language on me and it was heart breaking for her to be told that I wasn’t Japanese.

The world is a diverse place and whilst in an ideal world, we should concentrate on the things that unite us, the human race has proved to be very good at dividing itself and at times they take great pride in the things that make them stand out. If you want an East Asian example, the Chinese, Japanese and Koreans are very clear that they are distinct, with their own unique language and culture. However, at one stage, most Westerners wouldn’t have been able to and wouldn’t have cared to distinguish between a Chinese, Japanese or Korean.

One of the most amusing examples can be seen in the 1970s hit series “Mind Your Language,” where the Ranjeet, the Sikh character was constantly fighting with Ali, the Pakistani. However, despite the obvious “enmity” between the two, the teacher Mr. Brown pairs them up thinking that they’d get along with someone with from the same part of the world: [LINK]

For Singaporeans, this became particularly sharp, with new arrivals from China and India. Suddenly the little comfortable world a hyphenated identities was rudely shattered. Our new, often Hindi speaking arrivals don’t look upon our native Tamil speaking Indians as Indians. As for our local Chinese community, we also got a rude shock into how far removed we are from our Mainland cousins

I take myself as an example. I am predominantly English speaking and the group I deal with on a daily basis happens to be predominantly English speaking. However, if I need to, I will communicate in Cantonese and Mandarin. However, I don’t have an emotional connection with China as say, someone born in China would have. The fact that it’s a challenge to speak either Mandarin or Cantonese puts a sharp distinction between me and someone born in China.

I try to be aware of these things. I grew up in the UK and back in the days when the UK was an active member of the EU, I grew up understanding that White people were actually a diverse group with their own languages and cultures. So, it was easy for me to understand that just because certain people looked similar, it didn’t make them the same.

I like the fact that the world is not the same. I happen to like diversity and dealing with people who are not like me. So, wherever I go, I try to know a little bit about different cultures to be able to cross those borders. It is, I believe something that we all need to get used to if we are to capitalise on the opportunities out there.

 

Tang Li

*Although I’ve been based mainly in Singapore for nearly two decades, I’ve had the privilege of being able meet people who have crossed borders and cultures. I’ve befriended ministers and ambassadors and worked on projects involving a former head of state. Yet, at the same time, I’ve had the privilege of befriending migrant labourers and former convicts. All of them have a story to tell. All of them add to the fabric of life. I hope to express the stories that inspire us to create life as it should be.

 

 

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83 Responses to “Are Singaporean Chinese, Chinese?”

  • Is a red banana a banana?:

    Is a yellow banana white?

    Talk left, talk right. Catch no ball.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Hi Tang Li,
    Chinese = PRC is it very difficult to understand ?

    We are not Chinese but Singaporean. Some said Anglo Chinese aka yellow banana?

    You happy ?

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  • free Indian:

    Of course you are not Chinese, you are likely Indian.

    Singaporeans R Free Riders:
    Hi Tang Li,
    Chinese = PRC is it very difficult to understand ?

    We are not Chinese but Singaporean. Some said Anglo Chinese aka yellow banana?

    You happy ?

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  • xoxo:

    So,You might as well ask are Sg Indians,indians???
    You are weird.
    So,you eat only potatoes?
    Tell,soon more n more angmohs will eat rice.

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  • Frudo:

    We are Singaporean and not Chinese. Got nothing to do with Chinese.
    Chinese (China) in Singapore need to know that you are in our country, respect our culture, law system and our way of living. If you want to change it, become a citizen and vote your own leaders into the parliament and change it to your liking. But before that happens, learn what is democracy and stop pretending you know what it is, you don’t really do.

    For the Singaporean old folks who think you are cainese and your motherland china is great, go back to your china village and work in foxconn.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Frudo:
    We are Singaporean and not Chinese. Got nothing to do with Chinese.
    Chinese (China) in Singapore need to know that you are in our country, respect our culture, law system and our way of living. If you want to change it, become a citizen and vote your own leaders into the parliament and change it to your liking. But before that happens, learn what is democracy and stop pretending you know what it is, you don’t really do.

    +1 for you… well said.

    I had said here Chinese = PRC many times but old donkey here just do not understand.

    Frudo:
    For the Singaporean old folks who think you are cainese and your motherland china is great, go back to your china village and work in foxconn.

    Good one…I had chided a few old man in train/bus for playing China news loud loud.

    Yes, to old folks here, you think China is your motherland, one who is very great in bullying smaller nation in SCS but ball shrink in face of Americunt, go back to your China village.

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  • Trash:

    The question is how we are viewed rather than how we view ourselves. We can say to an American I am American though I do not look like one. He may have a good laugh or just be sceptical about it. Trump did not accuse long time American Chinese of being spies and hence despatched hundreds of high level Chinese back to their homeland.

    So be realistic. A Chinese is a Chinese whether you like it or not. However you can try not to allow your Chinese-ness interfere with your inter-racial relations.

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  • I_am_CBAM_cbAngmos'_nemesis:

    Frudo:
    We are Singaporean and not Chinese. Got nothing to do with Chinese.
    Chinese (China) in Singapore need to know that you are in our country, respect our culture, law system and our way of living. If you want to change it, become a citizen and vote your own leaders into the parliament and change it to your liking. But before that happens, learn what is democracy and stop pretending you know what it is, you don’t really do.

    For the Singaporean old folks who think you are cainese and your motherland china is great, go back to your china village and work in foxconn.

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: +1 for you… well said.

    I had said here Chinese = PRC many times but old donkey here just do not understand.

    Good one…I had chided a few old man in train/bus for playing China news loud loud.

    Yes, to old folks here, you think China is your motherland, one who is very great in bullying smaller nation in SCS but ball shrink in face of Americunt, go back to your China village.

    What craps you BOTH let out your fxxking mouths? A Chinese is still a CHINESE regardless which part of the world/nation you’re in now. Why try to associate with PRC? It is the ancestry, traditions, culture and customs that identify one as Chinese. Idiots!!!!

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  • IndeedTrash:

    Talk like did not talk.
    Which is more important, how other view you or how you view yourselves?

    Indeed a Trash trying to associate yourself by your skin color.

    People associate you based on skin color is unfortunate, but you yourself can only associate yourself by skin color is plain weakling, no backbone, no dignity and no self-pride.

    My OPINION is: If you want to distance yourself away from rubbish people, declare out loud!

    Do not associate Chinese with me, I am Singaporean.

    If one is proud being Chinese, go sing your stand up slaves song as you wish, don’t make me sing with you, you don’t represent me.

    And, it is a known fact that there are many Chinese spies infiltrated among several countries government sectors. And it is important to weed them out and send them back to where they are from.

    https://www.todayonline.com/world/huang-jing-chinese-american-academic-expelled-singapore-working-beijing-and-has-no-hard

    Example like this is just one drop of chinese spy among thousands out there influencing many governments.

    https://m.huanqiu.com/article/4AuO3WaFVHy

    Once spotted, better run road back to china.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    IndeedTrash: And, it is a known fact that there are many Chinese spies infiltrated among several countries government sectors. And it is important to weed them out and send them back to where they are from.

    +1
    Well said…that is why we need FICA..To weed out Chinese spies, Americunt spies or anybody who work against Singapore interest.

    Like BK said, our allegiance is to Spore and in Spore interests, we only care what benefits for Sporeans, not China, not US or any other country.

    There was no weapon of mass destruction in Iraq.

    The reason why Americunt invaded Iraq was because Iraq wanted to link oil to Euro, not USD and Americunt is scared stiff.

    Iraq is working against US interest by demanding to pay in Euro instead of USD and so he has to be toppled/killed.

    Linking Oil to the EURO
    https://ieer.org/resource/commentary/saddams-last-laugh/
    Extract from the article:
    Pricing oil in euros rather than dollars could cause a tremendous flight from the dollar — possibly far greater than the one that led to the collapse of the gold-dollar connection in 1973 or the one that caused the steep decline of the dollar in 1979-80.

    You think Americunts are angel and in Iraq to help the Iraqis achieve Freedom, Democracy and Human Right$?

    In God We Tru$t are angel?
    Either with us or against us ?

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  • Smart Nation:

    Don’t confuse race for nationality and vice versa. The term “Chinese” can refer to either race or nationality (China). You can change your nationality or citizenship, but you can’t change your race or ethnicity. SG Chinese, TW Chinese and PRC Chinese are of the same race but not the same nationality.

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  • Western Sheep:

    You stupid or what?
    If there are no China spy, I worry.
    You think there are no US spy, no UK spy, no Auzzy spy, no Sg spy? Don’t be so stewpig.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_espionage_in_China

    IndeedTrash: And, it is a known fact that there are many Chinese spies infiltrated among several countries government sectors. And it is important to weed them out and send them back to where they are from.

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  • SGrunner:

    Yes, do not confuse Race vs Nationality!

    The term “Chinese” can refer to either race or nationality (China).
    But that is your opinion.

    The word you need to change in above sentence is “OR” into “AND”. That is my opinion!

    Race refers to the concept of dividing people into groups on the basis of various sets of physical characteristics and the process of ascribing social meaning to those groups. Ethnicity describes the culture of people in a given geographic region, including their language, heritage, religion and customs.

    My race is Singaporean! Or affectionately we are known as Sinky!

    I can understand many oldies are confused with their identity. That is alright, they can return back to China or, naturally their batch will die off soon and no more that problem of Chinese race or Singaporean race.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    IndeedTrash: And, it is a known fact that there are many Chinese spies infiltrated among several countries government sectors. And it is important to weed them out and send them back to where they are from.

    On the subject of infiltration, Singapore is indeed infiltrated with many many Americunt/Chinese spies.

    Some low level Americunt spies like Smart Nation who go around echoing/parroting their Americunt crusade slogan either you are with us (God) or against us (Devil).. no half half but they themselves can made deal with devil.

    And some low level Chinese spies like many fcuking old people who listen to CCP news channel shooting rockets to space and got very excited.

    Last month my mother walk to her favourite temple and came back complaining the temple has changed.

    I asked: What has change and my mother said the temple now use simplified Chinese instead of traditional Chinese.

    She told me the HQ in China ask all the branch to change to be in line with CCP direction.

    I told my mother to pray to XJP instead as even God has to obey CCP instructions to learn simplified Chinese.

    Our great PAP did not even enforce this on temple but the temple happily obey XJP/CCP. Same like SmartNation/Xfile, if this is not infiltration, what is?

    There you have it, we got crusade mentality in both Americunt/Chinese.

    Therefore, we must always be on our guard to prevent foreign power from making use of spies to turn against Singapore/ASEAN interest.

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  • ingrained into our system:

    //the human race has proved to be very good at dividing itself and at times they take great pride in the things that make them stand out.//

    correct lar ?? different races, nationalities, countries schools, families, SES, organizations, clubs, companies, industries, etc ?? all these compartments (dividing lines when it comes to the crunch ???) are already embedded and ingrained into our system (mentally or otherwise) ??? this will be made worst if competition gets more intense from 6.9m or 10m open-leg policy in an expensive small red dot ??

    how to be ideal then ??

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  • F S:

    You have made a fu*king stupid comment. knn. Singaporean race. f u. Even your pappy master don’t do that.

    SGrunner:
    Yes, do not confuse Race vs Nationality!

    The term “Chinese” can refer to either race or nationality (China).
    But that is your opinion.

    The word you need to change in above sentence is “OR” into “AND”. That is my opinion!

    Race refers to the concept of dividing people into groups on the basis of various sets of physical characteristics and the process of ascribing social meaning to those groups. Ethnicity describes the culture of people in a given geographic region, including their language, heritage, religion and customs.

    My race is Singaporean! Or affectionately we are known as Sinky!

    I can understand many oldies are confused with their identity. That is alright, they can return back to China or, naturally their batch will die off soon and no more that problem of Chinese race or Singaporean race.

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  • I_am_CBAM_cbAngmos'_nemesis:

    SGrunner: My race is Singaporean! Or affectionately we are known as Sinky!

    I can understand many oldies are confused with their identity. That is alright, they can return back to China or, naturally their batch will die off soon and no more that problem of Chinese race or Singaporean race.

    I think you’re even more confused than many “oldies” here, in fact screwed-up. Singaporean, American, Malaysian, etc, are terms for nationalities that consists of different races, Chinese. Indians, Malay, angmohs…. etc.
    Better return back to your school. Which school you from, so the readers here like Free riders will also avoid sending their children to it even for free!

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  • Smart Nation:

    @Singaporeans R Free Riders:
    December 20, 2022 at 1:17 pm

    You have to be out of your mind to think that I am an American spy just because I speak in favor of Western democracy. Besides, you have quoted me out of context with reference to the choice between God and the Devil. I used it in the spiritual sense but you have twisted it to force a political divide (for us or against us). It shows how low-level you yourself are to twist words and make false accusations. Again, I hope you choose God and not the Devil, so that you will not end up in Hell with the beast.

    “And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.” (Rev 19:20)

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    SGrunner:
    Yes, do not confuse Race vs Nationality!

    The term “Chinese” can refer to either race or nationality (China).
    But that is your opinion.

    The word you need to change in above sentence is “OR” into “AND”. That is my opinion!

    Race refers to the concept of dividing people into groups on the basis of various sets of physical characteristics and the process of ascribing social meaning to those groups. Ethnicity describes the culture of people in a given geographic region, including their language, heritage, religion and customs.

    My race is Singaporean! Or affectionately we are known as Sinky!

    I can understand many oldies are confused with their identity. That is alright, they can return back to China or, naturally their batch will die off soon and no more that problem of Chinese race or Singaporean race.

    Go read this. Don’t get yourselves confused.
    https://bit.ly/3BP3luz
    Strictly based on cheese law, Chinese = PRC

    So we are NOT Chinese (China man) but just descendants.

    Like BK said, our allegiance is to Spore and in Spore interests, we only care what benefits for Sporeans, not China, not US or any other country.

    Even gangster 山口組 of the same nationality also have different clan/sect and one must be loyal to their respective clan/sect.
    https://bit.ly/3G438pU

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  • I_am_CBAM_cbAngmos'_nemesis:

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: Like BK said, our allegiance is to Spore and in Spore interests, we only care what benefits for Sporeans, not China, not US or any other country.

    Even gangster 山口組 of the same nationality also have different clan/sect and one must be loyal to their respective clan/sect.

    Hey, idiot. What’s wrong with Chinese Singaporeans/clans/sects giving their loyalty to Singapore and benefits for all Singaporeans? Didn’t Singapore benefits from them? Unlike your masters that idiotically (like you) gave benefits to the China Suzhou Industrial complex and got conned.

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  • Idiot:

    Get a writing in Chinese, anyhow translate to English, and take it to fool around.

    You are Indian, that’s why you claim you are not Chinese.

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: Go read this. Don’t get yourselves confused.
    https://bit.ly/3BP3luz
    Strictly based on cheese law, Chinese = PRC

    So we are NOT Chinese (China man) but just descendants.

    Like BK said, our allegiance is to Spore and in Spore interests, we only care what benefits for Sporeans, not China, not US or any other country.

    Even gangster 山口組 of the same nationality also have different clan/sect and one must be loyal to their respective clan/sect.
    https://bit.ly/3G438pU

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  • Smart Nation:

    TRE Techie:
    Is there a reason why the word “beast” is edited to “b****” on my comment? The reference is to Satan or the Devil as in Rev 19:20 and not to any individual or person. By doing so, it can be misconstrued.

    Tech: Yes there is a very good reason for that. We have one reader whose deep hatred for anything women always like to use “evil beast backside women”, “beast women”, “evil beast this who, beast that who”, etc. So other mods got so tired of deleting his comments and asked that I include the global filter. So it is not particular to you as the Auto Moderation Scripts (AMS) which I developed apply it globally, Tom Dick or Harry. Only those comments that contain sensitive words and links are manually moderated. Therefore sometimes you see comments appearing almost instantly while at times, it may take a few hours (pending human moderation). Hope this explains.

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  • Smart Nation:

    If SG Chinese are not Chinese, than what are we? One of the lost tribes of Israel? An alien race? LOL!

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  • Smart Nation:

    TRE Techie:
    Don’t mess with the Sacred Text by altering (deleting or adding) to it because there is a curse pronounced on those who do so:
    “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Rev 22:18-19)

    Tech: What u toking about? I am not involved in the race discussion at all. Unwanted comments as far as I am concerned are normally deleted, I don’t bother to make any changes unless it is one of mine and I have made a glaring mistake.

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  • different interest groups:

    // Like BK said, our allegiance is to Spore and in Spore interests, we only care what benefits for Sporeans, not China, not US or any other country.

    Even gangster 山口組 of the same nationality also have different clan/sect and one must be loyal to their respective clan/sect.//

    oxy moronic ??? different clan / sects (also as in different interest groups ??) ?? then benefits (or the distribution of it ??) or allegiance to one’s country may mean different things to the whole lot of people in the same country lar ??

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  • SGrunner:

    Your race is CCP? Or your nationality is CCP?

    See, to you, Angmo is one race. I can tell that you are pretending to know but you are just an empty little kettle making most noises.

    Why you think schools are great?
    How schools comes about?
    And what are schools really are now?

    Simple and dotard, this is what sinkies mostly are and especially the dying oldies.

    I_am_CBAM_cbAngmos'_nemesis: I think you’re even more confused than many “oldies” here, in fact screwed-up. Singaporean, American, Malaysian, etc, are terms for nationalities that consists of different races, Chinese. Indians, Malay, angmohs…. etc.
    Better return back to your school. Which school you from, so the readers here like Free riders will also avoid sending their children to it even for free!

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  • SGrunner:

    REALLY?

    CPIB and ISD should conduct a joint investigation to all these clans their accounts, any secret fundings and all their communications in the past 2 decades.

    How about an open and transparent investigation? Or an official statements from all these clans, including temples? Good that you mentioned clans, any more need to investigate to weed out the foreign forces?

    I_am_CBAM_cbAngmos'_nemesis: Hey, idiot. What’s wrong with Chinese Singaporeans/clans/sects giving their loyalty to Singapore and benefits for all Singaporeans? Didn’t Singapore benefits from them?

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  • Smart Nation:

    TRE Techie:
    But can something not be done to make it right? I very am sure I spelled the word “beast” in full on my comments – direct reference from the Scripture; not “b****.” Besides, there is no letter “i”, “c” or “h”in the word “beast.” Can’t possibly be your AMS. I can’t imagine myself misusing the Scriptures in such a profane manner.

    Tech: Understood, let me run this by the ladies again and see if some changes can be made.

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  • CCPmaster:

    Are you one of the China Spy? You Chinese?

    Western Sheep: If there are no China spy, I worry.

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  • I_am_CBAM_cbAngmos'_nemesis:

    SGrunner:
    Your race is CCP? Or your nationality is CCP?

    See, to you, Angmo is one race. I can tell that you are pretending to know but you are just an empty little kettle making most noises.

    Why you think schools are great?
    How schools comes about?
    And what are schools really are now?

    Simple and dotard, this is what sinkies mostly are and especially the dying oldies.

    It is a political party, stupid. Don’t even know definitions of race, nationality and politics. You make GenX,Y,Z darned bloody stupid before the babyboomers readers here, lol.

    SGrunner:
    REALLY?

    CPIB and ISD should conduct a joint investigation to all these clans their accounts, any secret fundings and all their communications in the past 2 decades.

    How about an open and transparent investigation? Or an official statements from all these clans, including temples? Good that you mentioned clans, any more need to investigate to weed out the foreign forces?

    Don’t talk gibberish like Singaporeans R Free Riders, lah.
    How about asking Chan Chun Seng’s permission first? Idiot.

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  • SGrunner:

    Throughout its history, China has engaged in an ‘us vs. them’ mentality, believing themselves to be civilized and outside tribes to be barbaric.

    Every few hundred years, give or take, China changed hands, and with the changing of the dynasties came each time a change in name. Under the Ming, China was the ‘Great Ming,’ under the Qing, China was the ‘Great Qing,’ and so on. Yet on unofficial documents, the name ‘Zhongguo’ lived on.

    An ancient map 1584 spell China in Latin as Chinae (Sīnae). And its people, usually interact during the course of trade, were known as chinês and before this, Chinish. Chinese is a word given by Angmo for people coming from Cheena!

    Smart Nation? I bet you don’t even know this!

    Thus, what is Chinese before 16th century? Alien? Now bite your tongue.

    Tang-ren, Han-ren, Qin-ren, Yan-ren, Yue-ren, Wu-ren etc… all depends on which was the great big super power that fist the other into submission that that period of time. Name of the race change lah! Smartie!

    And we are Singaporean, not Chinese-Singaporean, not Indian-Singaporean, not Angmo-Singaporean.

    Now you learned something? Stay smart!

    If we really want to reflect the true meaning of China, it is Zhong-guo aka the Middle Kingdom! And really, going along this rationale, the people of middle kingdom should be called the Middle-kingdom-nist, Middle-kingdom-nian, or Middle-kingdomer?

    Now, the funny part will be Middle-kingdomer-Singaporean. How does that sounds?

    Smart Nation:
    If SG Chinese are not Chinese, than what are we? One of the lost tribes of Israel? An alien race? LOL!

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  • Tiew pig:

    Such stewpig comment. Can talk so much garbage.

    Go ask your pappy master and President.

    SGrunner: And we are Singaporean, not Chinese-Singaporean, not Indian-Singaporean, not Angmo-Singaporean.

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  • ONE:

    //Throughout its history, China has engaged in an ‘us vs. them’ mentality, believing themselves to be civilized and outside tribes to be barbaric.//

    aiyoh. throughout history different colonial masters / empires also possessed such mentality lar ?? most (if not all ??) humans like to feel that they are better / ‘superior’ than the other next person lar ??

    //Chinese is a word given by Angmo for people coming from Cheena!

    Smart Nation? I bet you don’t even know this!//

    of course lar ?? english alphabetical letters (hence english words ??) must have come from angmo or kimmo or whatever mo lar ??

    likewise 英国人 & 美国人 must surely come from chinese lar ??

    イギリス人 must come from the japanese lar ??

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    No lah.. before zhong guo name came about, it was known as zhong yuan 中原 or zhong tu 中土.

    So, if we don’t use bloody hypocrite Anglo Saxon language Chinese, then it should be 中原人,中土人

    Translating to Anglo Saxon language:

    中原人=Central Plain-no

    中土人=Central Mud-no

    Singaporen Chinese = Singaporean Central Plain-no or Mudo-no

    Hahahaha. funny sia.. anyway, Chinese is a Anglo Saxon word attribute to people coming out of China.

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  • all these will evolve:

    //And we are Singaporean, not Chinese-Singaporean, not Indian-Singaporean, not Angmo-Singaporean.//

    the angmo also put people in different boxes lar ??

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Americans

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Americans

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Indians

    aiyoh. all these will evolve lar ??

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    I_am_CBAM_cbAngmos'_nemesis: Hey, idiot. What’s wrong with Chinese Singaporeans/clans/sects giving their loyalty to Singapore and benefits for all Singaporeans? Didn’t Singapore benefits from them? Unlike your masters that idiotically (like you) gave benefits to the China Suzhou Industrial complex and got conned.

    You are idiot. Did I say it is wrong to align with Singapore and Singaporeans at large ?

    You don’t know how to read Anglo Saxon language ?

    Like BK said, our allegiance is to Spore and in Spore interests, we only care what benefits for Sporeans, not China, not US or any other country.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    SGrunner: Throughout its history, China has engaged in an ‘us vs. them’ mentality, believing themselves to be civilized and outside tribes to be barbaric.

    Yes… well said SGrunner.

    Such thinking are the same as the crusader mentality.

    Either you are with us or against us.
    (now where is the weapon of mass destruction in Iraq)

    In SmartNation word, choose God or choose Devil.

    No half half…

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  • I_am_CBAM_cbAngmos'_nemesis:

    SGrunner:
    Throughout its history, China has engaged in an ‘us vs. them’ mentality, believing themselves to be civilized and outside tribes to be barbaric.

    Every few hundred years, give or take, China changed hands, and with the changing of the dynasties came each time a change in name. Under the Ming, China was the ‘Great Ming,’ under the Qing, China was the ‘Great Qing,’ and so on. Yet on unofficial documents, the name ‘Zhongguo’ lived on.

    An ancient map 1584 spell China in Latin as Chinae (Sīnae). And its people, usually interact during the course of trade, were known as chinês and before this, Chinish. Chinese is a word given by Angmo for people coming from Cheena!
    Smart Nation? I bet you don’t even know this!

    Thus, what is Chinese before 16th century? Alien? Now bite your tongue.

    Tang-ren, Han-ren, Qin-ren, Yan-ren, Yue-ren, Wu-ren etc… all depends on which was the great big super power that fist the other into submission that that period of time. Name of the race change lah! Smartie!

    And we are Singaporean, not Chinese-Singaporean, not Indian-Singaporean, not Angmo-Singaporean.

    Now you learned something? Stay smart!

    If we really want to reflect the true meaning of China, it is Zhong-guo aka the Middle Kingdom! And really, going along this rationale, the people of middle kingdom should be called the Middle-kingdom-nist, Middle-kingdom-nian, or Middle-kingdomer?
    Now, the funny part will be Middle-kingdomer-Singaporean. How does that sounds?

    lol. Cheena? Trying to prove you’re from an ‘ahneh’ pariah school with all that highfalutin narratives/incendiary rhetoric? And China bashing would keep US-China relations stable. Symptoms of an intellectually bankrupt treasonous idiot called ‘SGrunner’??

    Of the past 2200 years China has been an ethnic Han socioeconomic political educational scientific technological world superpower ruling with the “Mandate of Heaven” from the Central/Middle Kingdom. From the Mongols to the Manchus to the British to the Japanese challengers to Han supremacy have all come and gone to their griefs.

    Chinese don’t forget their historical grievances, that still have an impact on the nation’s psyche. Throughout the 19th century Americans benefited more from their relations with China, which branded the US a foreign exploiter. Go to any Walmart and see for yourself, idiot! What kind of interaction with China from minions like you, expect when the Chinese are not white? Idiot!

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  • I_am_CBAM_cbAngmos'_nemesis:

    yo @ Smart Nation

    Let’s go for it and take these two idiots; SGrunner/Singaporeans R Free Riders down a peg or two! not down the clothes rack but back to their PROPER shit-holes. I know who THEY really are!

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  • xoxo:

    Being chinese n upholding good chinese does not make one a Chinese communist.
    Just like angmohs’ lickers who support angmoh bullshits do not make them americunts.
    Strange asians like to screw asians when the ones who screw them are the angmohs?
    Being a namesake christian angmoh does not mean you are a saint ; nor being a good communist (chinese) will mean you are bound for hell?

    There is simply an overwhelming addiction to anything *angmoh* as if angmohs are saints and can only be saint.
    So many stupid asians among us,singaporeans.
    Better they go fill their gaps with angmoh marbles than kpkb about some bias they have against chinese.
    Oh,BTW, communism started in western world.
    They corrupted it like they corrupt democracy?
    My middle finger to angmoh lickers!
    Come n get it!

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  • I_am_CBAM_cbAngmos'_nemesis::

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: You are idiot. Did I say it is wrong to align with Singapore and Singaporeans at large ?

    You don’t know how to read Anglo Saxon language ?

    Like BK said, our allegiance is to Spore and in Spore interests, we only care what benefits for Sporeans, not China, not US or any other country.

    Hey, moron. You already write off Chinese Singaporeans below. For all you know the HDB you holed-in was built with blood, sweat and tears by the samsui women from China. Ingrate & a racist bigot, that’s what you are. You still have not reply why your masters gave benefits to Suzhou Industrial Complex?

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: We are not Chinese but Singaporean. Some said Anglo Chinese aka yellow banana?

    You happy ?

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: So we are NOT Chinese (China man) but just descendants.

    Like BK said, our allegiance is to Spore and in Spore interests, we only care what benefits for Sporeans, not China, not US or any other country.

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  • I_am_not_mike:

    I_am_CBAM_cbAngmos'_nemesis:
    yo @ Smart Nation

    Let’s go for it and take these two idiots; SGrunner/Singaporeans R Free Riders down a peg or two! not down the clothes rack but back to their PROPER shit-holes. I know who THEY really are!

    Free Rider is a liar who said his degree is from Sunway U. Of course, he is incoherent in his writings. He is so stupid everything he sees is about Dr Tsai Ing-Wen of taiwan. Sometimes, he mistakes pap Singapore with angmo canada. He is confirmed to be an unschooled lunatic.

    The other one is even worse. He lied about his catholic upbringing. But his lying and BS show he is just a lying liar, no different from the BK and mike and Free Rider one sees in TRE trying to distract readers from important discourse. Of course they fail in what they do. Because we know.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Give Kishore a tiger ..go Kishore go..

    The RISE & Return of Asia – Kishore Mahbubani’s BEST Insights & Predictions
    https://bit.ly/3Vflxo2

    TRE famous quote from BK:
    Our allegiance is to Spore and in Spore interests, we only care what benefits for Sporeans, not China, not US or any other country.

    Anyone or groups or religion that work against Singapore must be charged with insurrection.

    Justice Department to indict Trump on four charges, including inciting insurrection.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/12/19/us-capitol-riot-lawmakers-recommend-filing-charges-against-trump

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    I_am_CBAM_cbAngmos'_nemesis:: Hey, moron. You already write off Chinese Singaporeans below. For all you know the HDB you holed-in was built with blood, sweat and tears by the samsui women from China. Ingrate & a racist bigot, that’s what you are. You still have not reply why your masters gave benefits to Suzhou Industrial Complex?

    Idiot.. everyone knows that Suzhou Park was robbed/stolen from us with tacit approval by Chinese leadership who said they cannot help us.

    This is daylight robbery by the CCP thieves..just like the Americunt thieves who forced tsmc to move their wafer manufacturing plant to Ammerica and to train Americunt to do the production.

    Both are highway robbers. Period.

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  • Tiew pig:

    Why you so stewpig? A China spy must be a Chinese?

    CCPmaster:
    Are you one of the China Spy? You Chinese?

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  • I_am_CBAM_cbAngmos'_nemesis:

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: Idiot.. everyone knows that Suzhou Park was robbed/stolen from us with tacit approval by Chinese leadership who said they cannot help us.

    This is daylight robbery by the CCP thieves..just like the Americunt thieves who forced tsmc to move their wafer manufacturing plant to Ammerica and to train Americunt to do the production.

    Both are highway robbers. Period.

    What a daft & half-brained reptilian you are! A bit of provocation from me and you blow your own cover. So that explains your bullying of Chinese Ah Peks in Singapore.

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: Good one…I had chided a few old man in train/bus for playing China news loud loud.

    Yes, to old folks here, you think China is your motherland, one who is very great in bullying smaller nation in SCS but ball shrink in face of Americunt, go back to your China village.

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  • Smart Nation:

    All kena brainwashed until confused. We have a serious problem of identity crisis. LOL!

    E.g. 1 “So we are NOT Chinese (China man) but just descendants.”

    How can one be of Chinese descent and not be Chinese? If your DNA is Chinese, you are Chinese. The word “Chinese” can refer to either race or nationality, or both at the same time. So if the question is asked of a SG Chinese, “Are you Chinese?” we need to seek clarification, “Are you asking for my race or nationality?” For the PRC Chinese, the answer is a straightforward “yes.”

    E.g. 2 “Race refers to the concept of dividing people into groups on the basis of various sets of physical characteristics and the process of ascribing social meaning to those groups. Ethnicity describes the culture of people in a given geographouic region, including their language, heritage, religion and customs.

    My race is Singaporean! Or affectionately we are known as Sinky!”

    Your race is Singaporean? Huh? SG has a diverse population. Singaporeans do not all belong to one particular race or social group, or share the same physical traits, and therefore does not meet your definition of race. “Singaporean” which is derived from “Singapore” is a national identity, not a racial identity. Can’t equate the two. Any smart P6 student can make the distinction between race and nationality. LOL! “My race is Singaporean” doesn’t say anything about your race. Faham tak? Tong mah? How do you say it in Tamil?

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  • Smart Nation:

    @ SGrunner:
    December 21, 2022 at 4:28 pm

    Thank you for the lesson in Chinese history! So what’s your point? You are Singapore-ren? Sounds quite close to “Singaporean.” So which race or ethnic group do you belong to? Are you Chinese, Malay, Indian, Eurasians by descent? Even within the vast country of China, there are so many different ethnic and regional sub-groups. Are you trying to erase racial identity (as they did with the Chinese dialects), to forge a “One Singapore?” Now you think the state “gave birth” to you and you are state property – Singapore-ren? LOL!

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  • Yes:

    Yes..Singaporean Chinese.
    Not China Chinese.

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  • trash:

    I hear many proud ‘Singaporeans’ declaring themselves no more Chinese. Are they good time Charlies? Let’s see when Singapore goes down the drain; where these people will end up. I guarantee you they will look to China and look for whoever is the dictator. Be realistic! No one in Singapore will save you! How many of our leaders will stand in front of you and take the bullet. Likely, they want you to take the bullet for them!

    You big talkers will be the first to go!

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  • HAHAHAHAHAHA:

    //// Be realistic! No one in Singapore will save you! How many of our leaders will stand in front of you and take the bullet. Likely, they want you to take the bullet for them!////

    HAHAHAHAHAHA.

    quote : War is a place where the young kill one another without knowing or hating each other, because of the decision of old people who know and hate each other, without killing each other. unquote

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  • tickles one's brain:

    //SG has a diverse population. Singaporeans do not all belong to one particular race or social group, or share the same physical traits, and therefore does not meet your definition of race. “Singaporean” which is derived from “Singapore” is a national identity, not a racial identity.//

    right lar unless one tries to twist, slap, turn or flip the definition further like the clever white monkey idiots until flooding equal ponding, selected = elected, ‘lockdowns = circuit breaker, etc ??? or loss in public housing (sometimes hor it pains or conversely tickles one’s brain to comprehend the explanation of the clever white monkey idiots ???) ???

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  • SGrunner:

    I find it worthwhile to respond to you.

    I know a person, an American, the mum from malaysia, dad from Singapore, dad’s dad and mum from Malaysia, mum’s mum from india, mum’s dad from china.

    She married a man with an american dad and korean mum, give birth to a baby.

    So, what is race of baby? Try harder.

    Play racial & nationality card? Get real.

    Singapore is already starting to face problem of racial differentiation a decade ago. It will get worsen continuing the racial differentiation.

    Smart Nation: Are you Chinese, Malay, Indian, Eurasians by descent? Even within the vast country of China, there are so many different ethnic and regional sub-groups. Are you trying to erase racial identity (as they did with the Chinese dialects), to forge a “One Singapore?” Now you think the state “gave birth” to you and you are state property – Singapore-ren? LOL!

    The rest of the jokers, please don’t bother to wait for my response. A bunch of old and useless SG ah-peh deeply intoxicated by CCP, let’s see if China will save you when you are down the drain.

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  • I_am_CBAM_cbAngmos'_nemesis:

    SGrunner:
    I find it worthwhile to respond to you.

    I know a person, an American, the mum from malaysia, dad from Singapore, dad’s dad and mum from Malaysia, mum’s mum from india, mum’s dad from china.

    She married a man with an american dad and korean mum, give birth to a baby.

    So, what is race of baby? Try harder.

    Play racial & nationality card? Get real.

    Singapore is already starting to face problem of racial differentiation a decade ago. It will get worsen continuing the racial differentiation.

    The rest of the jokers, please don’t bother to wait for my response. A bunch of old and useless SG ah-peh deeply intoxicated by CCP, let’s see if China will save you when you are down the drain.

    Kiddo, admit it, you are way way below the baby boomers league here. Call me ah-peh, maybe I’ll consider waiting for your response. Call yourself Singaporean? Can’t even tell difference between ah-peh and ah-pek. lol

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  • Tiew pig:

    Never heard of “mixed race” or “others”? sibei stewpig and talk cock.

    SGrunner: I know a person, an American, the mum from malaysia, dad from Singapore, dad’s dad and mum from Malaysia, mum’s mum from india, mum’s dad from china.

    She married a man with an american dad and korean mum, give birth to a baby.

    So, what is race of baby? Try harder.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    I_am_CBAM_cbAngmos'_nemesis: What a daft & half-brained reptilian you are! A bit of provocation from me and you blow your own cover. So that explains your bullying of Chinese Ah Peks in Singapore.

    Bullying?
    You do not understand Anglo Saxon language chide ?

    Here, Cambridge dictionary for you.
    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/chide
    —chide : to speak to someone severely because they have behaved badly

    Where did Cambridge dictionary say it is bullying?

    Which school you were from?

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  • Smart Nation:

    @ SGrunner:
    December 22, 2022 at 6:11 pm
    We have no choice over our race or nationality at birth. We were born into them, just as some are born poor while others are born with the silver spoon! No matter how much we may try to erase them, race and naionality are part of our person, history and identity. As for those born into mixed races, genetic testing is able to provide the breakdown of the person’s mixed ancestry. Every person has a genetic/race history, even when it becomes “rojak” through inter-racial marriages. This is a fact of life and has nothing to do with playing the “race or nationality card.” SG will see more bi-racial children with the free flow of foreigners taking up citizenship and residency in the country. A simple answer to your question on what race group these bi-racial kids belong to would be: For e.g. “Mixed Race – Indian/Malay” or “Mixed Race – Indian/Chinese” or “Mixed Race – Caucasian/Chinese.” Thanks for the exchange and I would appreciate if you refrain from using veiled threats if we must carry on a civilized discussion here.

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  • I_am_CBAM_cbAngmos'_nemesis:

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: Bullying?
    You do not understand Anglo Saxon language chide ?

    Here, Cambridge dictionary for you.
    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/chide
    —chide : to speak to someone severely because they have behaved badly

    Where did Cambridge dictionary say it is bullying?

    Which school you were from?

    What a bottomless crock of Anglo-Saxon lexical craps! How about respect for senior citizens of other ethnicity? What’s your objective standard that defines ‘bad behavior’? Is your own “code of behavior” mean must chide? The underlying truth is that you knows perfectly well you are BULLYING old peasant/folks with no articulation/eloquence to fight you back. And race have got to do with this!

    I don’t see why a low level of academic achievement equates with poor moral judgement. Now I see it in you! (I am from Berkeley; in fact ex-lectured there)

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: Good one…I had chided a few old man in train/bus for playing China news loud loud.

    Yes, to old folks here, you think China is your motherland, one who is very great in bullying smaller nation in SCS but ball shrink in face of Americunt, go back to your China village.

    What does race have to do with this?

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  • Frudo:

    Some days, these useless pro-CCP old man will return their ICs.
    But before that happens, they will make the most noise and pull as much young people along.
    And I agree that I am Singaporean, my race is Singaporean.
    If these old teeko-peks love being Chinese, so be it, it is none of yours business to tell me who I am.
    Teeko-peks, you can be Cheenese or Cainese, anything you want, that’s your business.
    And it is my business to call myself Singaporean and not a Chinese which I associate Chinese as those from China. I will tell my friends that and so that they can save themselves from unnecessary troubles the Chinese created for being associate to them.
    Being Cainese is so shameful, start of covid emptied every countries’ masks, now emptying every other countries’ flu meds and paracetamol. They are like locust, invade and infest and never integrate with their host countries.

    Tech: So I see, you are not a Chinese and you despice Chinese and because you are not a Chinese, you can live forever? Simply put, you are a racist and racist is not welcomed on TRE.

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  • Stewpig Goondu runners:

    After almost twenty centuries, the Jews in Ethiopia are still known as Jews.

    Centuries after gaining independence, the Malay in Singapore will still be known as Singapore Malay.

    As simple as that!

    Only Stewpig Goondus would have comprehensive problems with this!

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  • how not to differentiate:

    //Singapore is already starting to face problem of racial differentiation a decade ago. It will get worsen continuing the racial differentiation.//

    aiyoh. it is in the nature of living things (humans or non-human alike ??) ??? comes to the crunch, this differentiation will manifest in a nasty way ??
    differentiation (not only in nationality, race or some other thing ??) need not be officially sanctioned (worst if it is officially sanctioned ??) BUT it will still happen naturally as it is in human nature ???

    how not to differentiate if open-leg policy already allows (or reinforce ??) so much differentiating (or competing ??) elements into the country ?? ask the white idiots lor, do they differentiate themselves against the oppo lor ??

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  • inside some box:

    //I know a person, an American, the mum from malaysia, dad from Singapore, dad’s dad and mum from Malaysia, mum’s mum from india, mum’s dad from china.

    She married a man with an american dad and korean mum, give birth to a baby.

    So, what is race of baby? Try harder.//

    https://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html

    to put it in a nice way, it goes like this ???

    quote : Reasons for Collecting Information on Race
    Information on race is required for many Federal programs and is critical in making policy decisions, particularly for civil rights. States use these data to meet legislative redistricting principles. Race data also are used to promote equal employment opportunities and to assess racial disparities in health and environmental risks. : unquote

    in the first place, why need to promote equal employment opportunities and to assess racial disparities in health and environmental risks if the reality on on ground conditions do not result in them happening ???

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  • Tiew pig:

    You are stewpig and talk nonsense. Go make a new nric and get f**ked by the gov official.

    Frudo: And I agree that I am Singaporean, my race is Singaporean.

    Tech: Wow! Interesting getting all the time this thread. Now Singaporean is a “race”? lol

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  • SGrunner:

    Smart Nation: I would appreciate if you refrain from using veiled threats if we must carry on a civilized discussion here.

    What veiled threats are you talking about?
    You turned soft or you are sterile?
    Saint or noble?

    By the way based on your rationales hat person is a mixed race- korean-chinese indian-spainish with possibilities of Mongolian and middle-east DNA.

    And besides this, the order of naming should you say Chinese-korean-Indian or Korean-Chinese-Indian or simply in alphabetical order Chinese-Indian-Korean?
    Or use gender order or etc.

    The story never ends, if you are not playing racial cards, then what it is?

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  • SGrunner:

    Tech: So I see, you are not a Chinese and you despice Chinese and because you are not a Chinese, you can live forever? Simply put, you are a racist and racist is not welcomed on TRE.

    When a person say his race is so-and-so (Singaporean as a race), and you as moderator because of your natural biasness, insulted him based on your assumption, put words in his mouth, ain’t you more racist?

    Please explain yourself?

    Tech: Read carefully what he himself posted, not what I think he posted and then tell me that he was not being racist?

    “Being Cainese is so shameful, start of covid emptied every countries’ masks, now emptying every other countries’ flu meds and paracetamol. They are like locust, invade and infest and never integrate with their host countries.”

    I could have just deleted his comments to save time, but I wanted him to know where he went wrong.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    I_am_CBAM_cbAngmos'_nemesis: What a bottomless crock of Anglo-Saxon lexical craps! How about respect for senior citizens of other ethnicity?

    You are BLIND, NAIVE and GULLIBLE.
    Respect is earned, Not DEMAND just because you are senior or elder.

    I respect anyone, young, old, color or colorless, so long as you are a responsible person.

    You don’t enter a train/bus with your fcuking news or music loud loud. A responsible person will use a earphone.

    Answer me: Do you respect jerks(young or old) like this below?
    Wife caught husband cheating with mistress-Chua soon ho (Jackie Chua)
    https://bit.ly/3PMVWB3

    I_am_CBAM_cbAngmos'_nemesis:
    What’s your objective standard that defines ‘bad behavior’? Is your own “code of behavior” mean must chide?

    You don’t enter a train/bus with your fcuking news or music loud loud. A responsible person will use a earphone.

    Just like you don’t enter a public library and start making noise causing nuisance to others.

    I_am_CBAM_cbAngmos'_nemesis:
    The underlying truth is that you knows perfectly well you are BULLYING old peasant/folks with no articulation/eloquence to fight you back. And race have got to do with this!

    I don’t see why a low level of academic achievement equates with poor moral judgement. Now I see it in you! (I am from Berkeley; in fact ex-lectured there)

    The old man/uncle I chided was able to speak Anglo Saxon language, English.
    He even knows how to counter me citing freedom. So he is not some low academic dude.

    He sat directly opposite me and I told him:
    Can you please lower your phone volume.(he was playing news)

    He countered me: This is my phone and my freedom to do whatever I wish to. You not happy then you give me a ear phone.

    Upon his challenge, I immediately took out my earphone and pass it to him.

    He was stunned and remain speechless and he rejected. Talk cawk right ?

    And thanks, I see a BLIND, GULLIBLE, NAIVE EDUCATED fools in you.

    You make a good canon fodder.

    Ah, Berkeley lecturer you said..
    Yes, high level of academic achievement does not equates with good moral judgement

    How true.

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  • Tiew pig:

    You talk cock lah. Who dare to accept a used earphone from a stranger, especially a violent dirty looking mean old man? Don’t know what kind of dirt and disease lurk on and inside it! Wise choice by that person.

    If a chiobu offers her earphone, that is a different set of considerations.

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: Upon his challenge, I immediately took out my earphone and pass it to him.

    He was stunned and remain speechless and he rejected. Talk cawk right ?

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  • I_am_CBAM_cbAngmos'_nemesis:

    Singaporeans R Free Riders:
    Respect is earned, Not DEMAND just because you are senior or elder.
    I respect anyone, young, old, color or colorless, so long as you are a responsible person.
    You don’t enter a train/bus with your fcuking news or music loud loud. A responsible person will use a earphone.

    The old man/uncle I chided was able to speak Anglo Saxon language, English.
    He even knows how to counter me citing freedom. So he is not some low academic dude. He sat directly opposite me and I told him:
    Can you please lower your phone volume.(he was playing news)
    He countered me: This is my phone and my freedom to do whatever I wish to. You not happy then you give me a ear phone.
    Upon his challenge, I immediately took out my earphone and pass it to him.
    He was stunned and remain speechless and he rejected. Talk cawk right ?

    Ok. So, what’s your point? I’m not being flip here. Seriously, what is your point? What was the point of all the craps above, other than the fact that you did not like anything that is related to China/Chinese personally? You’re undoubtedly a liar, I think that’s a key observation but I do not underestimate how good you are at that. :)

    I am impressed with how severely and moderately intellectually disabled individuals (idiots; moron; and imbeciles) are able to understand the real/true meaning of ‘respecting others’. lol. More like a ‘racist snake’ slithering into a civic-conscience ‘skin’. I have no respect for those who live in the world of “racist bigotry – you deserve nothing but contempt from all the Chinese in TRE here. Dig deeper. What might you not be seeing below?

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: We are not Chinese but Singaporean. Some said Anglo Chinese aka yellow banana?

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: Good one…I had chided a few old man in train/bus for playing China
    news loud loud. Yes, to old folks here, you think China is your motherland, one who is very great in bullying smaller nation in SCS but ball shrink in face of Americunt, go back to your China village.

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: Last month my mother walk to her favourite temple and came back complaining the temple has changed. I told my mother to pray to XJP instead as even God has to obey CCP instructions to learn simplified Chinese.

    Singaporeans R Free Riders:
    Strictly based on cheese law, Chinese = PRC
    So we are NOT Chinese (China man) but just descendants.

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  • SINGAROAR:

    For those who are of mixed race parentage, the categorization for race may be under”others”. It depends on different countries.So yes, we are Singaporean Chinese,Malay,Indian, Eurasian etc. Our Nationality is Singaporean.We were also proud Singaporeans until the PAP hit us with the third world tsunami causing identity confusion and crisis.Now people are confused whether they are Singaporean or Chinese,Malay,Indian etc.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Smart Nation:
    @Singaporeans R Free Riders:
    December 20, 2022 at 1:17 pm
    You have to be out of your mind to think that I am an American spy just because I speak in favor of Western democracy.

    Ah the great Western democracy:
    1. 5 Canadian police officers arrested one lone protestor and
    2. Truck protest organizer arrested.

    Smart Nation:
    Besides, you have quoted me out of context with reference to the choice between God and the Devil. I used it in the spiritual sense but you have twisted it to force a political divide (for us or against us). It shows how low-level you yourself are to twist words and make false accusations. Again, I hope you choose God and not the Devil, so that you will not end up in Hell with the beast.

    “And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.” (Rev 19:20)

    Ah Human being, when caught in unfavorable situation, will try to wriggle, twist and turn to get out of the unfavorable situation.

    Spiritual you say… why not you just admit what the writer John Mearsheimer terms the “crusader impulse”

    The United States Couldn’t Stop Being Stupid if It Wanted To
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/12/13/the-united-states-couldnt-stop-being-stupid-if-it-wanted-to/

    Extract from the article:
    For this reason, liberal states are strongly inclined to what John Mearsheimer terms the “crusader impulse”—the desire to spread liberal principles as far as their power permits. The same problem bedevils other universalist ideologies, ……

    Choose God right?
    1. Will Americunt go to heaven inciting war to benefits (jobs/bonuses) their defense indusrty?
    2. Will Americunt go to heaven for slaughtering hundreds thousands of Red Indians and forcing them to convert to christianity and adapt to White way of lives ?
    3. Why Americunt thanks God but not the Red Indian who “allow them” to rob them of their land?

    Your answer ? Yes or not is suffice.
    Please don’t tell me “I used it in spiritual sense” again.

    Quote – Unknown True Native American
    When your people came to our land, it was not with open arms, but with Bibles and guns and disease.
    You rob our land. You killed us with your guns and disease,
    then had the arrogance to call us godless savages.
    If there is a Heaven and it is filled with Christians,
    than Hell is the place for me.

    Quote – Desmond Tutu
    When the missionaries came to Africa,
    they had the Bible and we had the land.
    They said “let us close our eyes and pray.”
    When we opened them, we had the Bible, and they had the land.

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  • Good Heavens:

    If the native American really said that, he was too heavily indoctrinated by the Christians. Why choose hell? Can choose better heavens.

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: Quote – Unknown True Native American
    When your people came to our land, it was not with open arms, but with Bibles and guns and disease.
    You rob our land. You killed us with your guns and disease,
    then had the arrogance to call us godless savages.
    If there is a Heaven and it is filled with Christians,
    than Hell is the place for me.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    I_am_CBAM_cbAngmos'_nemesis: Ok. So, what’s your point? I’m not being flip here. Seriously, what is your point? What was the point of all the craps above, other than the fact that you did not like anything that is related to China/Chinese personally? You’re undoubtedly a liar, I think that’s a key observation but I do not underestimate how good you are at that. :)

    I am impressed with how severely and moderately intellectually disabled individuals (idiots; moron; and imbeciles) are able to understand the real/true meaning of ‘respecting others’. lol. More like a ‘racist snake’ slithering into a civic-conscience ‘skin’. I have no respect for those who live in the world of “racist bigotry – you deserve nothing but contempt from all the Chinese in TRE here. Dig deeper. What might you not be seeing below?

    You don’t understand Anglo Saxon language English, do you?

    This is your colonial mas$ter British Cambridge dictionary for you..
    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/chinese?q=Chinese
    Chinese — a person from China

    Thanks for confirming that TRE is infiltrated with Chinese agents.

    And the one who are racists are the Opposition party.
    Opposition are racist as labeled by our great PAP as they only condemned CECA fake degree but all are very quiet on Chinese fake degree. Correct ?

    And since we are in the group ASEAN. We may also be called Aseanian.

    Like what BK say: Our backyard is Asean. Asean is a great refuge for us,our neighbors interests are more impt to us than China or US. Your backyard burns, you burn.

    So, strictly based on your colonial ma$ter British Cambridge dictionary, we are not Chinese.

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  • I_am_CBAM_cbAngmos'_nemesis:

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: Ah Human being, when caught in unfavorable situation, will try to wriggle, twist and turn to get out of the unfavorable situation.

    Hey joker, reminds me of when I nipped your tail and you try to wriggle away with your ‘bull-craps’ concoctions below? lol

    Singaporeans R Free Riders:: I respect anyone, young, old, color or colorless, so long as you are a responsible person.
    You don’t enter a train/bus with your fcuking news or music loud loud. A responsible person will use a earphone.

    The old man/uncle I chided was able to speak Anglo Saxon language, English.
    He even knows how to counter me citing freedom. So he is not some low academic dude. He sat directly opposite me and I told him:
    Can you please lower your phone volume.(he was playing news)
    He countered me: This is my phone and my freedom to do whatever I wish to. You not happy then you give me a ear phone.
    Upon his challenge, I immediately took out my earphone and pass it to him.
    He was stunned and remain speechless and he rejected. Talk cawk right ?

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    SINGAROAR:
    For those who are of mixed race parentage, the categorization for race may be under”others”. It depends on different countries.So yes, we are Singaporean Chinese,Malay,Indian, Eurasian etc. Our Nationality is Singaporean.We were also proud Singaporeans until the PAP hit us with the third world tsunami causing identity confusion and crisis.Now people are confused whether they are Singaporean or Chinese,Malay,Indian etc.

    No confusion at all.

    We, ASEAN, must walk our own path, not US and not China.

    We are Aseanian. Yes ? No ?

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  • Western Sheep:

    Why you obey the western thoughts? They say left, you go left. They say right, you go right.

    When their dictionary is clearly rubbish, you still follow. lol.

    This is a better definition from the web:
    Chi·nese
    /ˌCHīˈnēz/
    Learn to pronounce
    See definitions in:

    adjective: Chinese

    relating to China or its language, culture, or people.
    belonging to the people forming the dominant ethnic group of China and also widely dispersed elsewhere.

    noun
    noun: Chinese; plural noun: Chinese

    1.
    the Sino-Tibetan language of China.
    2.
    a native or inhabitant of China, or a person of Chinese descent.

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: This is your colonial mas$ter British Cambridge dictionary for you..
    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/chinese?q=Chinese
    Chinese — a person from China

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  • SGrunner:

    Thank you Singaporeans R Free Riders. You raised a very good point.
    I think TRE really helped us see the real motives of these oppos. They are really racist and have triple standards. They talk like so righteous on CECA but stay absolute silence on China fakes thriving in SG.

    Down with oppos, I hope PAP wins all seats in parliament!

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: This is your colonial mas$ter British Cambridge dictionary for you..
    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/chinese?q=Chinese
    Chinese — a person from China

    Thanks for confirming that TRE is infiltrated with Chinese agents.

    And the one who are racists are the Opposition party.
    Opposition are racist as labeled by our great PAP as they only condemned CECA fake degree but all are very quiet on Chinese fake degree. Correct ?

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  • I_am_CBAM_cbAngmos'_nemesis:

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: Upon his challenge, I immediately took out my earphone and pass it to him.
    He was stunned and remain speechless and he rejected. Talk cawk right ?

    Tiew pig:
    You talk cock lah. Who dare to accept a used earphone from a stranger, especially a violent dirty looking mean old man? Don’t know what kind of dirt and disease lurk on and inside it! Wise choice by that person.

    If a chiobu offers her earphone, that is a different set of considerations.

    Good one! Had it been a China chiobu sitting crossed-legs opposite him, playing loud Beijing opera songs, this ‘violent dirty looking mean old man’ would’ve tap his hand and sway his head in rhythm to the (nonvibrato), and nasal. . lol

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  • I_am_not_mike:

    Frudo SGrunner CCPmaster etc is one and the same person who lied that he had a catholic upbringing.

    Yet it is such a lie especially he lies all the time and when caught, declares his race is Singaporean. Even pap says his race on his IC. And under pap system, he is Chinese.

    Worse, and this is the crux of his failure in life, when he is caught lying, jumps ship to pap saying Down with oppos, I hope PAP wins all seats in parliament!

    This is such a shitty human. Useless. Avoid. Easily identified because he has typos when he writes about the great CPC as CCP which does not exist.

    He has many other Name in TRE. One of which is idontbelieveinccpbs.

    This is useless piece of shit. Many say he is paid by american CIA. We don’t think even america CIA wants such a piece of shit. In other words, he is doing ffff off for ffff off. Avoid this piece of shit.

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  • I_am_CBAM_cbAngmos'_nemesis:

    Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    This is your colonial mas$ter British Cambridge dictionary for you..
    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/chinese?q=Chinese
    Chinese — a person from China

    Thanks for confirming that TRE is infiltrated with Chinese agents.

    And the one who are racists are the Opposition party.
    Opposition are racist as labeled by our great PAP as they only condemned CECA fake degree but all are very quiet on Chinese fake degree. Correct ?

    Western Sheep:
    Why you obey the western thoughts? They say left, you go left. They say right, you go right.
    When their dictionary is clearly rubbish, you still follow. lol.
    This is a better definition from the web:
    Chi·nese
    /ˌCHīˈnēz/
    Learn to pronounce
    See definitions in:
    adjective: Chinese
    relating to China or its language, culture, or people.
    belonging to the people forming the dominant ethnic group of China and also widely dispersed elsewhere.
    noun
    noun: Chinese; plural noun: Chinese
    1.
    the Sino-Tibetan language of China.
    2.
    a native or inhabitant of China, or a person of Chinese descent.

    Second, Leakey uses the term “bipedal ape”.

    Apparently, this ‘bipedal ape’ has a minuscule vocabulary. Always depend on his angmoh tua kee’s dicky, opps…dictionary. This means he cannot express–perhaps because he doesn’t recognize–nuance. Part of the power of language is to articulate nuance–especially when we are trying to communicate with others. Perhaps the best single word he don’t need to refer to his dictionary is the word “Nuts.” lol

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    SGrunner:
    Thank you Singaporeans R Free Riders. You raised a very good point.
    I think TRE really helped us see the real motives of these oppos. They are really racist and have triple standards. They talk like so righteous on CECA but stay absolute silence on China fakes thriving in SG.

    Down with oppos, I hope PAP wins all seats in parliament!

    I sense your anger. Stay cool. No need to be angry or violent.

    Just tell/share the truth/facts below. It is the truth and you will not get sued.

    Walk the ground, campaign for PAP. We MUST return PAP to power.

    There are a numbers (not all) of CCP (Chinese Chauvinist Pig) readers here.

    BK and I had been fending them off with facts.

    Facts#1
    惡官 Evils Hardcover – May 20, 2022
    https://amzn.to/3B5FiHi
    This book chronicles the events behind Taiwan President TIW academic fraud and how she obtained a fake Ph.D. from the London School of Economics and Political Science. Author Dr. Dennis Peng, in his quest for truth, has been politically persecuted for his thorough investigation into the matter.

    Facts#2
    Did LSE award 1.5 doctoral degrees?
    https://bit.ly/3C0kYaL

    Facts#3
    LSE denied holding the requested information (Tsai’s thesis)
    https://bit.ly/3OVRPD3

    Facts#3 (Latest)
    Prime Minister Rishi Sunak asked to review Cabinet Office refusal to close academic fraud loophole in United Kingdom law
    https://bit.ly/3WmpgS7

    Remember this, our allegiance is to Spore and in Spore interests, we only care what benefits for Sporeans, not China, not US or any other country.

    Our backyard is Asean. Asean is a great refuge for us. Our neighbors interests are more important to us than China or US.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Good Heavens:
    If the native American really said that, he was too heavily indoctrinated by the Christians. Why choose hell? Can choose better heavens.

    Yes, you are right.

    But Christian only taught 2 options:
    1. Choose God=Heaven
    2. Choose Devil=Hell

    No Half Half as SmartNation said it.

    So your other options are out as far as the Christians are concerned.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Tiew pig: You talk cock lah. Who dare to accept a used earphone from a stranger, especially a violent dirty looking mean old man? Don’t know what kind of dirt and disease lurk on and inside it! Wise choice by that person.

    If a chiobu offers her earphone, that is a different set of considerations.

    I_am_CBAM_cbAngmos'_nemesis: Good one! Had it been a China chiobu sitting crossed-legs opposite him, playing loud Beijing opera songs, this ‘violent dirty looking mean old man’ would’ve tap his hand and sway his head in rhythm to the (nonvibrato), and nasal. . lol

    Zhenzidan:
    @Singaporeans R Free Riders:
    Want to fcuk and have children? Make sure you got money first.
    That is responsibility. Freedom comes with responsibility.
    ————————————————————–
    You are right! TRE TECH should learn from me, want to fcuk but don’t have children. Have freedom to fcuk but no need responsibilty. Got money, tempt younger meimeis to open their legs for me! How to get more money? Pretend to be poor and PAP will give money in the form of packages during the covid, hahahaha…..

    Frudo: Some days, these useless pro-CCP old man will return their ICs.
    But before that happens, they will make the most noise and pull as much young people along.
    And I agree that I am Singaporean, my race is Singaporean.
    If these old teeko-peks love being Chinese, so be it, it is none of yours business to tell me who I am.

    Yes, Frudo. You are right. Opposition supporters are largely make up of old teeko-peks but I spelled it Chi Ko Pek.

    18搖 (Old Chi Ko Pek KTV)
    https://shorturl.at/vEKV3

    fake gentleman before camera, chi ko pek behind camera
    https://bit.ly/3WBRaZS

    Stay away from Opposition rally and supporters. Vote PAP.

    Tech: I suggest you stop repeating the same crap over and over again and try to add something new or don’t bother replying to waste byte space. Tsai, jackie, you got nothing new, are these 2 the Adam and Eve that the whole world should only know about?

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  • Soccerbetting2:

    Mr Lee Hsien Loong has a Tik Tok post that shows the definition of Chinese by Chow En Lai .Chow En Lai clarifies that “overseas chinese” term are reserved for those chinese that retain their China citizenship while the term “chinese” refer to “naturalised” chinese that has migrant to other country like Singapore and has given up their China citizenship,become Singaporean chinese and no more china chinese.

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