Leon Perera asks: Do we have true meritocracy in Singapore?
January 25th, 2023 | 
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Leon Perera
I read with interest The Independent Singapore’s Featured News, “Leon Perera asks: Do we have true meritocracy in Singapore?” (Jan 21).
In the first place, meritocracy should not be narrowly termed as the academic success of an individual. Instead, it should broadly embrace an individual’s capability, leadership and resilience in dealing with unexpected adversity in his/her work and life trajectory.
In short, in a society of meritocracy, an individual’s success and status in life depends primarily on individual talents, abilities, effort and luck. It is a social system in which people advance on the basis of their merits.
The Singapore Government has been practicing meritocratic system in its governance since independence. But, over the years, it has inadvertently created structural and cultural drawbacks which unconsciously and unavoidably produced inequality, elitism and worst – cronyism.
In due course, it is preferably that the current meritocracy mechanism (such as the Public Service Commission) could be fine tuned or delicately revamped so that to ensure the thorough assessment and selection processes of top civil servants are seamlessly safeguarded (a secret balloting system to be recommended and implemented for top civil service posts/appointments in order to avert cronyism).
For acute comparison, China has a unique system of selection and election of officials, which Canadian scholar Daniel A. Bell has described as “political meritocracy.”
Unlike Western models, China’s selection of officials is focused on ability and merit.
“Political meritocracy” is the idea that the political system should aim to select and promote leaders with superior qualities, Bell expounded.
This is in line with the Confucian tradition of meritocracy, which is deeply entrenched in Chinese political culture.
Since the independence of the People Republic of China (PRC), China’s state and governance systems is “selecting officials based on integrity and ability and on the basis of merit regardless of background to cultivate more talented individuals”.Anyway, China has cultivated a large number of outstanding political talents with continuous training, practice and assessment. As an old saying in China goes, “It takes seven years to see if a tree can grow into suitable building materials.”
Perhaps, Singapore could seriously consider this model from PRC, thoroughly assesses its worth and then emulates it.
Teo Kueh Liang (Mr)
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Better not as Xi Chin Peng has extended his tenure through his party conference!
What happens if pink or harimau do the same?
Meritocracy or Merit crazy?
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Dear Teo,
Confucian tradition of meritocracy ?
Like Tech said, some official also anyhow talk c0rk.
Hahaha, you tru$t the bS from CCP ? Seriously ?
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Well,for one thing,REAL scholars,either east or west,DO NOT *TAKE UMBRAGE* at the slightest public criticisms.
Real scholars are not like our $cholars for sure!
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Singapore meritocracy is just a guise for power consolidation. Only fools will believe in it
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I think look at how president is elected you know there is no meritocracy but racism bcos rules don’t apply to all races
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It’s not MERITOCRACY, but MARRYTOCRACY that GOV applies and practices.
Both words are pronounced the same,
and therefore it should not be different.
RIGHT??????????????
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Meritocracy in SG is not following the script.
That’s how an umbrage ex-General could sink 2 ships, namely NOL and SPH.
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Meritocracy, just like “holistic” or “affordable housing” is only used when PAP feels like it. Otherwise it’s just another word in the dictionary. As so many have said back then, if meritocracy was real then why did they say that the president must be malay thus once again them using the race card as they have done on so many occasions?
Meritocracy and all that other nonsense spewed forth by PAP is only to fool people who want to be fooled.
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Singapore has no meritocracy in academic because there are many university graduates who are underemployed and unemployed. I know some first class honours degree graduate, master and PHD earning less than big boss with no degree. Singapore is best describe as money said it all.
Rich people with money earn the most and eat the lion share, not academic success. Rich people depend on employees to make money but employees only get very little portion of the money made. In many companies, it is bootlicker get promoted while hardworking one do the dirty work. So many people are working hard but the ones promoted are not them.There are worse situation where foreigners promote foreigners. Post like managers and CEO given to someone the boss employed from outside the company. In all, there is no work meritocracy.
In government, we know those who win the most votes in election are not PM. Democracy should have those who win most votes as PMs, but dynasty not the same. Those chosen by PM are cabinet ministers and we know they are not the best. Many of them are not popular and win not much votes. Some are very unpopular and hated by many continue to rule with tyranny. I thought must be connection. In the end turn out some cabinet ministers are PM’s classmate and friends. So government as an example has no meritocracy.
In NS, we have white horse, we did not do anything, now we should do something. This is not a small matter because white horse culture is in Singapore. It affects the whole nation’s meritocracy. People with merit has no chance in government when they have different opinions. Potential leaders are not given chance because of requirements like becoming president need race requirements. And eventually there is a backdoor for people to be on top. This is not the way to run a nation. The nation belong to us, the people and not someone who manipulate and bend rules the way they like and make themselves stay at the top.
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1. And you think your Americunt democracy got meritocracy ?
2. And you think your Americunt controlled ROC democracy got meritocracy ?
驚爆蔡家黑歷史｜民間特偵組 20230126 @CtiNews
Shocking revelation of Tsai’s family dark past
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkG78h6lAcw
Gosh!! Democratic Progressive Party (DPP)is even more corrupted than KMT.
You should be glad that PAP is not corrupted like DPP.
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Do something? Ok. so what is your solution ?
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Don’t you know that is one big solution? VTO.
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Do we have true opinions in Singapore other than those dished out by the press?
Now that is an interesting question.
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Singapore pap fool people. If scoring high grades in school makes a person capable , only fools believe that. School and real world are 2 different things. And also how does an engineering graduate at the helm of a major investment Institution? Hoes that relevant to being meritocratic? Meritocracy in layman terms means best man for the job. Not the man with the best grades in school. Like someone said, meritocracy is just a tool for them to consolidate power , form.their own inner circle and shut off any others by implementing an arbitrary criteria to all things.
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Meritocracy died in Singapore when LKY decided to make LHL the PM.
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@Singaporeans R Free Riders
My solution is Vote PAP out next election, do the right thing. You all can do many things, even you don’t want to vote out your favourite PAP. Voice out for change, write to your PAP, petition your PAP for meritocracy and select the right man for the jobs for meritocracy and any other small ways.
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@ Singapore pap fool people. If scoring high grades in school makes a person capable , only fools believe that. School and real world are 2 different things. And also how does an engineering graduate at the helm of a major investment Institution? Hoes that relevant to being meritocratic? Meritocracy in layman terms means best man for the job. Not the man with the best grades in school. Like someone said, meritocracy is just a tool for them to consolidate power , form.their own inner circle and shut off any others by implementing an arbitrary criteria to all things.
Heard the China guy only primary school education. And the area he used to served in past nothing outstanding. In the early days, His father asked some party member guy to 關照 the son. The party member guy refused and make it public, causing embarrassment to him and family. When the party member guy passed way, never attend his funeral.
So how his performance currently ? Lack lustre right. Even people protest against him and party.
After 2 terms of anti corruption, still the number of people arrested supersede the past.
In China history is it always the best man for the job? Not true right. Sometimes everybody has high hopes on this crown prince. End up becoming a 暴君 or 昏君.
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Whats meritocracy really?
It can be broadly defined as the most talented(gifted) LEADING BY SERVING those less talented than themselves.
Instead,here in $inCity,meritocra$y is the RICH $tarving the poor.
Thanks to Pay And Pay alway$.
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When you walk around 4 horse road, sometimes, you encounter old folks who talk to themselves. Nobody with them, and no sign of any earphones. Often they laugh or even curse.
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Meritocracy is determine by person?
Or Meritocracy is determined by system?
If two person have the same score, what determines the other person is better?
Just saw a program, it says Singapore is non-democratic country.
If it is true, then what system are we?
If our system is determined by top ‘Elites’, then what determines the qualifications of these elites? If your dad is powerful, there is so much less hardship you need to go through in life.
While most of usre just prisoners on this piece of land we call ‘home’.
Singaporean, you SHOULD not be marrying one another of same citizenship. Singaporean should have foreign spouse. In that way, you will no longer be imprisoned on this fake meritocracy land. The more it says, the more it isn’t.
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thats what i did 15 years ago. I realised the fact much earlier than others. its a chance for us to escape the ecomomic and conocription ( NS) slavery system. Since one prime clown sais Singapore belongs to everyone, why not cll the freigners, bangla , china man ect to NS and IPPT? Oh well, on IC or mindef website or something i cannot recall it says ” having beneiftted from singapore system must serve NS” . u mean all these foreigners dont benefit from the system? what logic is this?
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Chinese are mostly su.ckers for this type of 君主 stuffs.
Because deep inside is hope that one fine day the descendants can become powerful or rich like the emperors, kings or lords.
Anti-corruption? More like anti-opponents’ corruption.
How can anti-corruption works when it is not independent?
Only way Chinese can survive is a disintegrated China.
Only way Singaporean can survive is to live out of Singapore.
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If there is “meritocracy” in Singapore why was Ho Ching picked to run Temasek after losing $500m in one year when she was Singapore Technologies CEO? She invested in bankrupt disk drive company. Why was she not held accountable when Temasek lost BILLIONS when it invested in Merrill Lynch and Barclays? Why was she not held accountable when Temasek invested (and lost) $400m in the fraud FTX?
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Poor ?
Did you seek to find out WHY THEY ARE POOR ?
OLD FOLKS are POORS because when they are YOUNGER THEY SCREW AROUND:
1. they squandered all their monies on woman
2. they squandered all their monies on liquor
3. they squandered all their monies on gambling
4. they squandered all their monies on clubbing (they tot they are like Angmoh of higher class)
After SCREWING AROUND, at OLD AGE they WANT SOCIETY TO BAIL THEM OUT acting pitiful ?
There are many irresponsible people around. They will pretend to be pitiful, NEVER TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for the consequences brought upon by their very own decisions and actions.
THIS IS THEIR CHOICE.
THEY MADE THAT DECISION TO SCREW AROUND
THEY FACE THE THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR CHOICE.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?
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Meritoctacy according to a CON is Cronyism n Beholden…
Beholden after recieving Patrot provided Degrees not “thinking meritocracy”
Cronyism…who you KNOW and NOT what you know
Err…Parrot Provided Degrees not “thinking”
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Answer:
If 2 person have the same score, than your personality/chemistry/experience with the person who interview you counts and follow by luck.
But then Singaporeans had POOR PERSONALITY, POOR COMMUNICATION SKILLS because they CHEAT to pass exam by MEMORizing 10 years series model answer.
Singaporeans cannot handle topics that have NO MODEL answer
Model answer=Brain dead answer=SMALL MINDEDNESS=Singaporeans
Please take responsibility for your own small mindedness and stop blaming our great PAP.
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@ When you walk around 4 horse road, sometimes, you encounter old folks who talk to themselves. Nobody with them, and no sign of any earphones. Often they laugh or even curse.
Quite sure many countries have.
Malaysia dont have ?
China dont have ?
https://mobile.twitter.com/tucaofakenews/status/1480004770702118915
北京老太太下跪維權
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No. That program is wrong. We are democratic.
We had election just like your Americunt and Americunt controlled ROC.
Your Americunt Ma$ter In God We Tru$t and Americunt controlled ROC also SAME as China, silenced critics who speak against them.
White House aide grabs mic from CNN’s Acosta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VwRrcVxjms
Americunt snatch microphone away from reporter who criticize U$
好意思自稱重視人權? （watch video frame at 21:00)
https://bit.ly/3GJk1VS
The naked truth on the Hunter Biden laptop coverup
https://nypost.com/2022/12/20/the-naked-truth-on-the-hunter-biden-laptop-coverup/
To 8000+ readers, please share ….remove mask, walk the ground and share the truth. NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH
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Can you educate yourselves that your great Democratic Americunt ma$ter In God We Tru$t also do the same. Can you condemn them FIRST too ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cronyism
Cronyism is the practice of partiality in awarding jobs and other advantages to friends or trusted colleagues……….
11 US presidents have appointed family members to executive branch positions.
https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Have_presidents_before_Donald_Trump_appointed_family_members_to_White_House_positions
Crony Capitalism, American Style
https://www.hbs.edu/ris/Publication%20Files/15-025_c6fbbbf7-1519-4c94-8c02-4f971cf8a054.pdf
Yes, it’s legal for Trump to hire his family as White House staff
https://qz.com/1496272/yes-its-legal-for-trump-to-hire-his-family-as-white-house-staff/
IF YOU HAVE POOR INTERPERSONAL SKILLS, DON’T BLAME OTHERS FOR YOUR WOES.
EITHER YOU SWIM OR YOU SINK. PERIOD.
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Finally YOU GoT THIS RIGHT.
TRE Tech had the best of BOTH world, benefitting from our great PAP and also CCP.
I wonder why CCP is so stupid since TRE Tech had never served a day in CCP army.
CCP should follow our stupid Opposition who call for FT to serve army to call TRE Tech to serve CCP army.
If Tech is too old or over age, Tech can serve as IB army 50 cents.
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Vote PAP out and vote in Opposition who promised to remove GST but actually Opposition meant to rename it to SST like Dr M?
Jumping from frying pan into the fire like the Malaysians ?
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…
Well said .. that guy only Primary 6 at most by our high SG standard.
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Why you always condemned our great PAP but DARE NOT condemned YOUR Ango Saxon Americunt Mas$ter of all CON who is the biggest CON of all.
Why you Christian so shy to tell the TRUTH about your Americunt In God We Tru$t MA$TER of ALL CON
Is it You fear Americunt will use SWIFT to sanction you and you cannot use any banking service anymore ?
Yes, tell the TRUTH about the Americunt, which is the same BULL SHIT as China past Emperor and current CCP.
Manifest Destiny
https://www.history.com/topics/19th-century/manifest-destiny#:~:text=Manifest%20Destiny%2C%20a%20phrase%20coined,the%20entire%20North%20American%20continent.
Manifest Destiny, a phrase coined in 1845, is the idea that the United States is destined—by God, its advocates believed—to expand its dominion and spread democracy and capitalism across the entire North American continent. The philosophy drove 19th-century U.S. territorial expansion and was used to justify the forced removal of Native Americans and other groups from their homes.
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Even so,CPC leaders better than MULTIPLE-DEGREED $cholars who $tudied at Angmoh tua kee univarsities who are only good at cowpeh *Umbrage!* each time they are criticised.
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You turned autocracy into democracy LOL You are seriously a joke.
Democracy means transparency and accountability.
Singapore and Chinese successors are chosen beind the iron curtain, they are not open to public to view or vote. We are told LW was voted by the majority, it wasn’t even shown in public, you believe it?
Xi has not even chosen his successor, he planning to rule forever?
All challengers to Xi has been demoted or retired or jailed, you call this democracy?
LOLOLOLOL You watch too many TikTok CPC propaganda.
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So you married a foreign wife ?
Did your foreign wife cuntry insist that you MUST SERVE THEIR ARMY before you can enjoy your wife cuntry benefits ?
No right ?
So why Sinkies insist that FT must serve our great SAF army ?
What if your wife cuntry legislated that foreign husband must serve their army ?
Do you divorce her and dump her ?
Can you or any Opposition answer this question ?
Don’t diam diam (silence) and ran away like Smart Nation, Observer, xoxo.
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It’s not just about men. Women too.
Thus, it got nothing to do with serving the military. An act of compulsory is like an act of communism.
Being the Singaporean men is the most disadvantage. Need exit permit to leave the country once after 13yrs of age.
So normal until most Singaporean men don’t feel it.
And got no balls to vote out such system which is wrong. Thinking it a must.
What is more prison than to a Sg men with a chain on the neck to their movements, have to apply permission of leave from the prison commander and restrictions to the productivity times of their career?
Sg Women, you should not be marrying your fellow Sg men. Free yourself from indirect imprisonment too.
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The answer is pretty obvious to u fool.
That’s simply because her country does not have mandatory conscription and claim that they benefitted from the system and so must serve in the army. Due to their There is also no unhappiness regarding conscription between locals and foreigners. .
Only one place Singapore claims that. So I that case , why singaporean are Singaporean paying tax , shouldn’t they be tax free
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Latest:
Taiwan NS pay to increase!
Private NS rank pay to increase from SG$280 per month to SG$1,100 per month, just slightly fall short of Taiwan min-wage.
Taiwan NS time to increase from 4 months to 12months.
SG Private NS rank pay $580 per month!
SG NS time 24 months plus X years of reservists.
Following the completion of full-time NS, SG men are required to serve up to 40 days of Operationally Ready National Service (ORNS) per year for the duration of their ORNS training cycle till the age of 50 years (for officers) or 40 years (for other ranks).
Singapore labour law:
Up to 9 hours per day or 44 hours a week.
If 44hrs per week, it will be 2288 hrs a year.
For upto 40 days a year doing reservist:
If min 10days of 8 hrs in-camp, 80hrs ÷ 2288hrs = 3.5% of legal productive time.
If out-field reservist upto 40 days of 24hrs, 960hr ÷ 2288hrs = 42% of legal productive time.
Singapore’s prosperity is at the expense of SG men’s time.
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Idiot…I AM Not living in another system or country BUT SINcity…A CONditioned mind like yours is beyond help…Keep Barking AND recieve your BONE
@Tre…I M not IT savy,mistakes in submission will happen
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Go look at some of your old post that reference to the little book when condemning our great LKY.
Your reference to the little book SHOW THAT YOU are living and guide by their(Americunt) system, Manifest Destiny..have you read it.
And you had the audacity to lies that you are NOT LIVING and GUIDE by their system?
Why not you Christians just admit what the writer John Mearsheimer terms the “crusader impulse” that Christians are abiding by?
The United States Couldn’t Stop Being Stupid if It Wanted To
https://news.am/eng/news/735005.html
Extract from the article:
For this reason, liberal states are strongly inclined to what John Mearsheimer terms the “crusader impulse”—the desire to spread liberal principles as far as their power permits. The same problem bedevils other universalist ideologies, ……
Your mind is CONditioned to the little book Indroctination
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You calculate so much for what ?
Fake degree President TIW only left 2 years. Will she implement it ?
館長怒轟：逃兵役就是懦夫 @newsebc (Only Coward will skip NS)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPBxFTfYIDU
郭正亮:當然是美施壓!蔡英文就是傀儡 |熱搜發燒榜 @CtiNews (TIW is puppet of U$A)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GteRLV3dYwY
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DO NOT MUDDLE THE QUESTIONS WITH OTHERS IRRELEVANT.
just go straight to the point and answer my 2 questions.
So you married a foreign wife ?
1. Did your foreign wife cuntry insist that you MUST SERVE THEIR ARMY before you can enjoy your wife cuntry benefits ?
No right ?
So why Sinkies insist that FT must serve our great SAF army ?
What if your wife cuntry legislated that foreign husband must serve their army、
2. Do you divorce her and dump her ?
Can you or any Opposition answer this question ?
Don’t diam diam (silence) and ran away like Smart Nation, Observer, xoxo.
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No unhappiness regarding conscription between locals and foreigners. . ?
That is because you have not encounter it.
So don’t spread fake news here and don’t spread hatred.
Official Shows War Scars to Call Out Anti-Asian Hate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfIbRiX5r_Q
I Respect this uncle. He is definitely NOT Free Riders.
But you, “Tax is 40% in singapore” is 101% FREE RIDERS on foreign soils.
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AristoCATs say – Touche but Ouch !
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Can you answer my question?
Or you also run away like Xoxo?
Why SG NS (24mths) is 2x of Taiwan NS (new 12mths)?
Why SG NS pay (NS private rank pay SG$580) is half of Taiwan NS pay (NS private rank new pay SG$1100, increase from SG$280)?
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AUM OF *SWF* ,Sg.
GIC – USD 690 BILLION.
CPF – USD 377 BILLION.
TH – USD 298 BILLION.
Total-SGD 1.794 TRILLION!
Any smart financial whizkid decipher what this means to sgs?
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How about Mr Leon Pereira?
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So,juxtapo$e this to the $600 out of $100 Billion reserves taken out plus a few GST VOUCHERS .
Ridiculous *distribution* of nation’s wealth?
Angmoh tua kee n other less deserving NON-sgs got much more!
WHY?
PLEASE KINDLY ACCOUNT.
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So much *$acrifices* and contributions and yet granted peanuts in return?
Equitability?
Whats equity?
What is fair to nation-builders?
It is sad to witness HONEST NATION-BUILDERS receiving a meagre $600 out of a stipulated $23.5K GRANT PER CAPITA from the $100Billion when MUCH LESS DESERVING FTs(non-sgs) being GRANTED much more.
H$K,please account.
God is watching from above.
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@ Why SG NS (24mths) is 2x of Taiwan NS (new 12mths)?
Why SG NS pay (NS private rank pay SG$580) is half of Taiwan NS pay (NS private rank new pay SG$1100, increase from SG$280)?
Cmon! Better research in the taiwan NS histories.
Last time Taiwanese also served longer period. About 2 to 3 years.
So if you born in taiwan in exactly same date of birth ( your age i m unsure ), you will still serve 2 or 3 years. Even go thru the period of martial law in Taiwan.
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birdie,bird talk.
No understand you.
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1. Why SG NS (24mths) is 2x of Taiwan NS (new 12mths)?
Trying to lies and misled the readers here ?
My answer to you: because Taiwan old short NS duration is insufficient that is why Taiwan abandon the old short NS duration and extend it to the new 12 mths.
SG 24 mths is just enough.
btw, Do you even know Taiwan old short NS duration ?
First, we must go back to Taiwan old short NS duration.
As you said, Taiwan NS (new 12 mths).
Q1. Can you answer me what is the old short NS duration before this new 12 mths.
I give you hint: you can find the answer in video below.
Your answer ?
「四個月不行」 兵役延長「真相曝光」
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONVDsjQQ3mE
少康戰情室｜「94年次男生崩潰恐收兵役延長一年大禮」
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm7i8DeXNZw
Q2. Why Taiwan abandon the old short NS duration and extend it to new 12 mths ?
馮世寬:4個月軍事訓練太短｜TVBS新聞 @TVBSNEWS01
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vko9lbUCraY
Your answer ?
I have given you the answer. Now will you answer my 2 questions ?
You are one BIG BLUR GULLIBLE SOTONG that are easily conned by Fake News, Lies and Propaganda by a Fake Degree democratic President.
You made a good canon fodder because you don’t research/verify news told to you.
Ok… my answer to your question 2 in next post.
I had help you numbered your questions. Next time please numbered your questions.
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2. Why SG NS pay (NS private rank pay SG$580) is half of Taiwan NS pay (NS private rank new pay SG$1100, increase from SG$280)?
Again you are misleading the 8000+ readers here.
Luckily they are not stupid, gullible and naive like you.
My answer:
We must compare both SG and Taiwan NS men CURRENT salary and NOT Taiwan yet to implement newly revised salary.
So, what is Taiwan current NS men salary ? Yes, NT6510 or SGD284.94.
太少? 義務役月薪6510元 邱國正允研議｜TVBS新聞
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHnCKfsGfr8
https://focustaiwan.tw/society/202212280005
So, based on current salary scale of both SG and Taiwan NS men, Singapore NS men is getting higher salary than Taiwan NS men.
Goodness, Singaporeans uni grads, PMETS cannot even do SIMPLE analysis
No wonder Singaporeans uni grads, PMETS cannot get jobs.
Always cheats, just MEMORize 10 years series model answer to pass EXAM without analysis and understanding.
Who will want to hire Singaporeans 10 years series model answer exam passer ?
新加坡人已被看破手腳。
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Agreed.
Need moncyre transparency.
No more bs.
BTW,so many IBs talking cock here.
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Why not go back a few years? Must fight real war. Pappies talk cock, divert to the past instead of facing reality now.
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Why are you diverting attention away like the CCP?
Ask you why 24mths vs 12mths and you want to talk history?
Want to talk history, SG got 0 mth NS lor.
Ask you why SG NS pay so low and yet need to conscript so long, you talk about current? Current is SG NS is 6x longer than TW NS.
If you give me 4 mths NS only, free I also do! Serve and FO!
The fact is SG men do 24 mths + approx another 20 years of reservist.
And we need EXIT PERMIT.
Don’t run away from my questions.
Answer them fully.
Don’t be like shameful whoever you said.
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Can understand will understand.
Cannot understand feed you sh it also cannot understand.
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Who wanted history? I give you a brief his-story in numbers
Taiwan
1950s 24~36 months
1990 24 months
2008 12 months
2013 4 months
To be 2024 12 months
Singapore
1971 30 months + reservist 10yrs or until 40/50 yr old whichever was later
1983 30 months + reservist 13yrs or until 40/50 yr old whichever was later
2004 24 months + reservist 13yrs or until 40/50 yr old whichever was later
2006 24 months + reservist 10yrs or until 40/50 yr old whichever was later
What you want to say now?
That is all besides paying cheaper than our FT bros in Construction and Ship Building sector.
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@birdie
You chirp like bird.
Maybe you swallow too much shit.
Bird brain and bird talking.
Hahaha!
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birdie
It is not CCP,it is CPC.
You are IB in disguise.
You are uncovered.
No more BS here.
Go eat PAP shit.
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//Singaporeans cannot handle topics that have NO MODEL answer//
really or not ?? so does it mean the educational system here has hardwired a lot of daft daft people to behave like that ??
or they have farmed out their thinking cap to the white monkey idiots so much that they cannot handle topics that have NO MODEL answer other than those coming from the white monkey idiots and gang ???
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//My answer to you: because Taiwan old short NS duration is insufficient that is why Taiwan abandon the old short NS duration and extend it to the new 12 mths.//
yar lor ?? but hor 12 mths is still < 24 mths by a long way for daft sinkies lar ???
//SG 24 mths is just enough.//
maybe just enough for the white monkey idiots and gang for their own agenda best known to themselves-check-themselves ??
24 mths for daft sinkies is too long lar going by the logic that TW is 'having problems' with her big brother next door and they are only currently proposing a new 12 mths (you said one hor ??) ??
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If the law legislates that, don’t be stupid. There is no country will enlist foreigners in their army except Singapore.
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That little book is my BELIEF nothing to do with the West or The US IDIOT!!!…THE BASTARD you worship turn to that book for FEAR if DEATH thru a Priest
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I did not run away like Smart Nation, Observer, xoxo.
I had fully answered birdie’s 2 questions in above post.
But Opposition like birdie chose NOT to read, analyze and even refuse to answer my questions.
This is the standard of Opposition, when Oppie cannot CONVINCE, Oppie will seek to CONFUSE you. Same as Americunts and Chinacunts.
Well, this is for you. You said it and now it is back to you, swallow back.
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Well you can ask Leon Perera or other WP MPs or PSP to propose the topic in next parliament meeting.
Quite sure you can adequately furnished all the infos they req’d.
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Nay, you did not.
I provide you a brief history of NS changes for both SG vs TW.
You want to tok past, the past was TW reduces the time on NS significantly.
You want to tok current, the current is SG is 6x longer on NS time not including approx 10~20~30 years of reservist liability.
You want to tok future, SG NS is still much longer than TW even TW increased to 12months.
NS pay? If you wish, we can talk again.
Don’t run away! Don’t be shy, the brief history I put up there is true or not? Facts or not?
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Thank you, at least you are better than that free-rider.
However, I won’t bother with these idiots oppos too they are worse than the current ruling party.
They will throw straws in the wind depending on the directions rather than it is right to do so.
That’s why I say Singaporean should not marry among ourselves but get a foreign spouse. Singapore is just a huge prison with facilities.
Depends on ourselves, just change the ruling party everytime will make them hungry. Doesn’t matters they are good or not.
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@ Thank you, at least ……
Nay
And what is Taiwan’s past NS numeration in the early days ? Taiwan no reservist training ? Some if not all ?
Afterall Sg is Sg. Taiwan is Taiwan.
Compulsory National service there are several countries. Necessary to compare and follow Taiwan ? Why not Israel ?
NS is a “taboo” subject. On top of sg is …. and below of sg is …
I await to see which MP dare to raise what you mentined in parliament. Or which opposition parties in next GE dare to promise voters if they vote for xxx parties and NS period will be reduced ? Renumeration wise maybe still debatable and still can discuss ?
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Singaporeans r free riders,PAP mandate strong ,birdie etc are all from the same group of shit-eaters wayanging here.
Let them eat the shit they stir.
Do not waste time with shit-eaters.
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//Compulsory National service there are several countries. Necessary to compare and follow Taiwan ? Why not Israel ?//
aiyoh. a lot of countries have NS lar ?? by right hor, it is ‘noble’ to partake in NS to defend one’s country lar ?? it is all about social contract and national identity hor (OR we have been made to believe such noble idea ???) ??
the problem with sinkie land is that NS “fix” (playing magic with ???) your braincells lar during a ripe age of 18+++ and after NS, the whole 169th ownself-check-ownself environment ‘fix’ your braincells once again in adulthood ?? that is the BIG BIG difference lar ??? and then hor, the white monkey idiots have open-leg policy and tell you story about foreign talents hor – the white monkey idiots and gang have been defining too many things for too long lar ??
//which opposition parties in next GE dare to promise voters if they vote for xxx parties and NS period will be reduced ?//
aiyoh. when your braincells have been ‘fixed’ (hardwired ??) for a long time, you (or even the voters ???) may become your own impediment to undo / reprogramme your own circuitry lar ?? like hor some people when talking about politick, have to turn their head around to see whether there is any white ghost haunting them or not (that is the level of being daring that daft sinkies have ??) ???
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birdie tok kok.
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@ aiyoh. a lot of countries have NS lar ??
You can google. Easily you find answers you seeked.
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Hahahaha..
Opposition like birdie only dare to talk big behind monikers. hahahaha
I bet you that no Opposition will dare to promise that NS period will be reduced.
Birdie, do you have the balls to take up PAP mandate strong challenge and go see your Opposition master with your information?
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Yes, I agreed with you but you did not volunteer for it like the man in below video.
Lee Wong serve the US community and serve the US army.
Did you serve the community of your wife’s country ?
btw, you have not answer my question 2.
2. Do you divorce her and dump her ?
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The higher you go, the lesser Singaporean Malays and Singaporean Indians you see. You got to question that.
Our policies aims to lock Singaporeans in so they cannot run out of the island. This is done through 2-2.5 years of NS. Thereafer, reservists call-up at anytime for 2 weeks after completing NS till age 40. If you are an officer, till 50 years old. BTO flats was designed to lock you in with the waiting time. 3.6 years (the earlist to get a BTO HDB flat) to 5 years. On average, 4 years to get a BTO HDB key of the flat. The minimum occupation period further adds another 5 years after getting the flat key before you can sell your flat. In total, PAPigs have locked the Singaporean for at least 11 years into Singapore. By that time, one is stuck within Singapore`s gravitational field and when you realise what has been done to you, it is very likely one finds it hard to even attempt to leave the island.
The key is to keep the populace unthinking and move through the system uncritically before reality hits. Today, we have allowed so many foreigners to become citizens and chronically overcrowd the country to the point it has caused strain, anxiety and stress to our lives.
That`s the hard truth.
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TRex, I totally agree and in-line with your thoughts.
And the 30 yrs housing loan simply locked up unthinking Singaporeans until they turned useless and deemed unproductive to the country.
The invisible cuffs sunk into the fresh and soul. Hard, not easy, but not impossible to break free if we are still young and aware.
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Free-rider, I am no fan of oppos given them sufficient power, they are just another ruling party. And stop behaving like gangster asking for balls as if yourself need extras.
No one in politics will speak up for Singaporean males, we just got to vote with our feet. Or else those those grab driver, panda food uber eat will be your career.
May be not.
When EV is matured, AI driving becomes a reality, which will be in 20 years time, you may not even have the luxury for such delivery jobs.
Just like my uncle used to say, if you don’t study hard, you will deliver night soil. Nay, want also no chance now!
This is your life:
4~20 years old : prisoner of school
20~60 years old : prisoner of loans
30~50 years old : prisoner of your child and old parents
SG male : prisoner almost whole life on NS
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