Long time to treat a public patient
May 16th, 2023 | 
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I went to the Singapore National Eye Center at 1.30 for an appointment. I went as a public patient (aka subsidized patient).
I left at 4.45 pm. The appointment took over 3 hours.
During this time, I was seen by the doctor and the attendants for a total of less than 15 minutes. The rest of the time was spent waiting to be called.
I am aware that there is a heavy demand for the medical services from public patients. This demand is already dealt with by the long time to get an appointment (which took one month in my case).
The medical center probably allows sufficient slots for each day based on the available staff. In theory, there is no need for the patients to wait several hours for a process that takes 15 minutes. Maybe one hour would be sufficient, if the process was properly organized.
My friend said that the medical center made people wait a long time on purpose. This will force the well-to-do patients to register as private patients, to avoid the long waiting time. The doctor receives a share of the private fees, so they probably have an incentive to achieve this goal.
I could afford to be a private patient, but I chose to be a public patient to experience what the real world is like for ordinary people who are not well off.
My conclusion is that the long waiting time is unnecessary, and is a reflection of a poor process, or (as my friend said) a deliberate attempt to make life difficult for the public patients.
I prefer to refer to these patients as public patients, and not subsidized patients. I will explain my reason in a separate post.
Tan Kin Lian
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“Singapore has further relaxed its restrictions on women freezing their eggs, raising the age cap for the procedure from 35 to 37, the Ministry of Health and Ministry of Social and Family Development announced on Monday, with the new regulations set to take effect in July.
The move comes as Singapore’s birth rate has dropped to just 1.05 babies per woman, the lowest ever recorded for the city-state since it began keeping track over six decades ago. The replacement fertility rate – the number of babies needed to maintain a population at a constant level – is 2.1 births per woman. At the same time, the median age of first-time motherhood in Singapore has jumped from 30.3 in 2013 to 31 in 2020.”
https://www.rt.com/news/576345-singapore-egg-freezing-birthrate-low/
Again they’re not highlighting the elephant in the room, although inflation, degrading of quality of life, government’s true face revealed with its draconian Covid measures are many reasons to not have children to become taxpaying farm animals for the MiW, surrounded by blind followers who will further sink the country.
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@Spec Ops
Err… I think you missed the largest elephant in the room, that is due to the fake mRNA vaccines and C19 infection, the excess death for babies born dead or died after birth has reportedly also increased multi-fold.
So it can be said that the women are bonking bareback, but after 10 months of false hopes, some were born dead.
Therefore for those who are vaccinated and have contracted C19 multiple times, don’t be too happy if you are pregnant, deliver a healthy baby then start popping the champaigne.
Before the C19 mRNA vaccines, it can be said that delivery is practically guaranteed with the medical care that one can get in Sinkieland, but for those that are already vaccinated, NOTHING as far as health and medical are concerned, can be guaranteed.
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The elites gang together and limit the supply of drs. If there are many doctors, patients will be offered abalone soup while they wait. If the wait is longer than an hour, the patient will go to the next clinic for gold leaf chwee kuey.
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It is taking longer time to see a specialist in a public Hospital.Same as in A&E.
Need to improve fast as it a waste of everybody time.
Very unproductive.
Look like our elite need to buck up….not delivering the Service standard set by our late LKY.
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With such extreme population augmentation by foreigners influx,our infra-structures including hospitals are SHORT-HANDED as,well as facing bed shortages.
THIS IS OVER-$tretching the RESOURCES beyond OPTIMUM LEVELS.
EVEN PEDESTRIAN FOOTways are BEING OFFICIALLY TURNED INTO *SHARED PATHS* FOR CCYCLISTS/PEDESTRIANS?!
Beaides,THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A TIGHT LIMIT TO OUR MEDICAL COURSE INTAKE OF STUDENTS FOR DECADES.
STRANGE,THE G THEN IMPORT FT-doctors from India ,etc
Cant we EXPAND INTAKE OF MEDICAL STUDENTS BY ENLARGING UNIVERSITY MEDICAL CLASS SIZE?
MEANWHILE,TO BE FAIR TO SGS,I PROPOSE THE G IMPORT FT-DOCTORS TO CATER TO INDIAN-FTs and their relatives specifically n RELEASE OUR SG DOCTORS FOR SG-PATIENTS.
OH,OYCON N THE MINISTERS CAN OSO *Q* FOR THESE INDIAN-FT DOCTORS TOO.
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Should ask VB how a SMART NATION is run. We have spent billions of dollars on technologies. No one should have to wait 3 hours for an appointment to see a doctor. You also have to wait 3 months for an appointment to see a dentist at the poly clinic. A&E units have also long waiting hours. In all this, the govt. still is talking about having babies. There seems to be something wrong with the brains of the PAP. Maybe too much monies removes the grey matter in one’s head.
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Mr Tan should count himself lucky, I heard that the official waiting time is 7 hours or more, so he got a 50% discount, still cry father cry mother for what?
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What you trying to prove?
See your face, purposely put you further down the Q.
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Could this long wait at the eye clinic started by miss Vivian from the lousy school?
He is only good at making fun of sinkies like whether you want food from a hawker centre or from goodwood Park Hotel?
I still don’t know why Sinkies fall for their glip tongues!
Just don’t renew their contract like what they did to teochew George!
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@”This demand is already dealt with by the long time to get an appointment (which took one month in my case).”
Response: according to NUH staff, the eye clinic’s appointment slots already fulled till November since February.
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“I could afford to be a private patient, but I chose to be a public patient to experience what the real world is like for ordinary people who are not well off.”
Ah Tan, if you really cannot afford say so lah. Don’t be embarrassed and claimed that you want to experience what the real world is like for we the ordinary people.
You are trying to tell us that you are rich and not an ordinary people. So go for private treatment – you cheapstake.
You are the type of people that cause the jam in the public hospital. We cannot afford private and because of you, we all are suffering.
You NEVER feel bad writing all the unworthy articles? They reflect your stupidness.
Fortunately, you are not voted in the PE.
PLEASE STOP WRITING AND DON’T BE THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE.
You lost your election deposit and worst is that you are proud of your “stupig” face
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Yes that’s exactly what I was referring to indirectly, after which I listed other more well-known and chronic causes long before the scamdemic.
Aussie17 used to work here in the Pharma industry, before going back to Australia.
https://pharmafiles.substack.com/p/week-12-earth-shattering-event-in
Dr Sucharit Bhakdi talks about the Kevin McKernan findings of Bacteria DNA in the mRNA shots
https://odysee.com/@SpecOps:4/Dr-Sucharit-Bhakdi-on-Kevin-McKernan-Findings-Bacteria-DNA-mRNA-shots:4
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If I am not wrong public patients cannot choose their doctors.
Pnce I went for a talk by a private group. The speaker said choose your doctors carefully.
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Deliberate attempt to delay……….why no complaints inside parliament?
All liars are sleeping on the jobs.
Anyway if lairs need appointment they will be there with the doctors waiting them, I doubt the goons understand such things.
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Fact is the G treats CITIZENS ESPECIALLY SENIORS like dirt.
Talking sounds nice.
Doing is different.
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Well said. Rich people are the type of people that cause the jam in the public hospital.
You see these cheapskate rich wjth latest iphone 14 pro and ipad pro and what not.
Some even drive luxury European car to public hospital or NTUC used book fair.
Really cheapskate rich.
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The reason the body miscarries the baby is it knows there is something wrong with the child. This is Nature’s way of keeping the species healthy. But mRNA cannot be ‘cured’ in such a fashion. Babies born will be genetically affected. Babies are dying even after birth – so there is no guarantee anymore.
This is why I say $inkies are doomed.
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@Harder Truths
Unfortunately YES, neonatal mortality rates are also on the rise, even though many countries are still denying it, taking the cue from Sinkieland, I supposed.
These countries thought their populace are as tamable and daft as Sinkies, easy to hoodwink and control. lol
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And the cure to all these long wait at hospital is very simple…
Take responsibility for your health.
Keep yourselves healthy with more vegies, exercise regularly and stop screwing around.
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Now, the MOT,not minister of transport but the minister of tyrant have encourage all doctors and nurses to refuse medical services to all abusive patients. Of course, the term abuse is arbitrarily defined by these little tyrants in MOH.
Complainning too much,about doctors and nurses, critising hospital administration, doctors and nurses, getting angry, those in your face type of patient will be classified as aggressive trouble makers and abusers. The ccb Ong Ye Kang is getting all the support from the cb PAPs in Parliament to support MOH and him, so that all patients complaints will be stonewalled and not be entertained at all.
Most Singaporeans are law abiding and stickers of rules and regulations
Most of all Singaporeans are not stupid. The only stupid person is the Minister of Health lan jiao Ong Ye Kang. Doctors and Frontline health care,do not need any protection from OYK. They are also not stupid. This minister is trying to play hero to them. Doctors and nurses will continue to resign because OYK is not sincere in looking after the welfare of those in the public health care. This bastard is more interested in what he can get out of these doctors and nurses.
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You go right to the source and screw OYK.
Why ‘jee siao’ ordinary folks and KPKB here??
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@nathan chen
If I am not wrong, the right to medical treatment is enshrined in the constitution and cannot be denied, even to inmates on death roll.
So this “I married a billionaire’s daughter” is suggesting that he has the power to order medical doctors to circumvent the constitution and exonerate them from any liabilities should the patient dies due to non-treatment?
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Waiting for this little tyrant to legislate such a bill in parliament and make it into law. This lan jiao minister think it’s so easy because he is not a doctor by training. Just want to show his colour in Parliament. There will be a lot of changes before he dare to present it in Parliament for reading. It’s in at a preliminary stage, now. With his backing and encouragement, some unscrupulous doctors will be negligent, indifferent and do as little as possible for patients they don’t like. Or over prescript medications or drugs to inflate your hospital bills. Sent you for this test and that test. But still cannot determine the cause when the result comes back. There are a hundred and one way unscrupulous doctor can play the patient for fools and get away with their dirty tricks.
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TKL left out one very important piece of information.
How many patients were waiting in queue before his turn? Did they have the same experience as him?
We would never know as he did not interview them during the over 3 hour period when he was there.
Rather, he would prefer getting some second hand information from his friend whose claim could not be verified.
Perhaps his friend could come forward to testify as a witness regarding the medical center who made people wait a long time on purpose?
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With the HIGH PROPORTION OF FOREIGNERS,INCLUDING FTs/PRs vs CORE SGS CONTENT,think it is time the G FAIRLY ASSIGN A PROPER/EFFICIENT RATIO OF DOCTORS YO SGS SO AT GOVT HOSPITALS SO AS TO BE FAIR TO THE CITIZENS.
ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT TO CATER TO NON-SGS MUST BE ACCRUED FOR.
WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE RATIOS ARE.
THE G’S DUTY IS FIRST TO THE CITIZENS,THEN ORs and others.
Else,what is CITIZENSHIP for?
And, will LONG TIME PRs feel the NEED OR MOTIVATION TO BE CITIZENS when they can observe that citizens are not put on priority in a true sense?
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@nathan
It is very easy to table such a motion in the clubhouse. He needs only 1 Aye from the LEEder, the rest will fall in line. There is still the leader of the clubhouse to throw docs at the speaker, if the need arises. lol
BTW, did I mention that I had personally witnessed an entire village surrounding a city hospital because of a still birth/miscarriage? It happened a few years ago and from my understanding, a husband brought his pregnant wife to the hospital’s A&E because his wife was on the verge of a miscarriage. Apparently, the wife was bleeding but the hospital was short-staffed and there were no doctors to attend immediately to her, so they let her wait, attended to only by nurses. About 1/2 hour later, she suffered a miscarriage. I later learnt that the fetus was 8.5 months old and could have been saved.
Now note that most villages in China houses families with the same surname, so they are practically a huge family. What followed was that the hubby organised a protest (about 50+ pax) and surrounded the hospital and demanded answers. The police were of course called in but other than nicely asking the villagers to disperse (which they didn’t), the police maintained order but they did not arrest anyone because they were non-violent. The villagers were very civilise and they did not stop anyone from seeking medical treatment or prevent these patients from leaving, except doctors. Since most doctors drive, the car park was packed and blocked.
Eventually, the city’s deputy mayor addressed the villagers and promised a through investigation. Coincidentally, there were also a few lawyers at the hospital, and they volunteered to represent the hubby.
What happened later was that the hospital was sued for 1 million, but it was settled out of court at a 50% discount. Officially, the top honcho of the hospital (院长) was demoted along with the senior doctor (主任) in charge of the hospital’s A&E on that fateful day.
P/S: There can be plenty of deputy mayors (副市长) in a city, they act as head of various agencies, like Education, Health, Finance, etc etc etc. They are equivalent to minister of education, minister of health, etc etc etc.
Now we all know that such an incident will NEVER be played out in Sinkieland, so I am merely posting it for informational purpose only.
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Situation is getting worst. Not only waiting, the doctor cleverly discharges you because there are too many patients after yearly review because the cataract is not ‘ripe’! Now have to go through the whole cycle again going to polyclinic and get referral. Why the gov converting so many PRs and citizens? Worst nowadays eye droplets not dispense off but asked you to buy off the pharmacy at Guardian and Watson! What MOH?
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Yes the richer they are, the more cheapo.
I know someone drive flashy sports car. That woman made the clerk pay first out of the clerk’s pocket for an office cabinet that costs $500. It was the clerk’s first month pay of $500!
The girl quit a few days later.
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@Singaporeans R Free Riders
If owning an iPhone is considered rich, then you will find plenty of villagers, students and including my wife and a few of her cousins “rich”.
I never knew that the definition of rich is when someone owns an iPhone. lol
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If you not rich, where you get the extra money to buy iPhone 14 Pro?
Are you living so high in the cloud that you cannot see your CCP ma$ter mis-managed the cuntry?
Our great PAP is the best.
大山里偶遇捡瓶子的妹妹，说话句句刺心，落泪
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYNhhcOHiug
小女孩獨自做飯生活走路上學，陌生小夥做法讓人感動
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSBknVMOb0s
Why Are Millions of Chinese Kids Parenting Themselves?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG9YHMcLK2Q
Tech: Why do I get the feeling that you have never step foot out of Sinkieland, maybe except Johore? You like to pick one isolated incident to prove a point, I could easily pick multiple incidents in Sinkieland to do the same, despite the fact that China’s population is 1.5B while Sinkieland’s is only ‘peanuts’.
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So,with all the inputs here n other forums,will the MOH MINISTER give us an honest account to such increasingly LONG WAITING TIME?
We need to have the real answers.
REPLYING IN ARROGANT MANNER IS NOT GIVING CITIZENS THE ANSWERS.
So,we are told the number of doctors,etc have been INCREASED already.
But is such increment proportionate to the EXTRANEOUS INCREASE IN DEMAND OWING TO FOREIGNERS’ INFLUX and such foreigners COMPETING WITH CITIZENS for THE LIMITED MEDICAL RESOURCES?
IF SO,THERE IS DIRE NEED TO REGULATE SUCH INFLUX MORE CONSIDERATELY!
LOOK,everywhere seems there is oredy A HUGE CROWDING OUT IN LITTLE RED DOT.
Even this n plenty other OLD N FEEBLE SG UNCLES N AUNTIES GOT TO BE EXTRA WATCHFUL WHILE WALKING ON FOOTways since the LTA RE-ASSIGN SUCH FOOTways as *SHARED PATHS* FOR CYCLISTS N PEDESTRIANS.
EVEN FOOTways space are GETTING OVERLOADED.
THE SITUATION IS CLEAR AS THE BRIGHT BLUE SKIES!
O V E R C R O W D I N G!!!
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BTW,i do agree to some extent that some of the well-off sgs shud not compete with LESSER sgs for public medical resources since they can afford PRIVATE.
BUT even so such *greedy sgs* are still citizens compared to NON-SGS LIKE FTs/PRs.
If FTs/PRs are holding good job$,dont they have MEDICAL INSURANCES provided by employers that cover PRIVATE MEDICAL CARE ?
So too the rich sgs.
ALL IN ALL,ITS A MATTER OF ASSIGNING *PRIORITY* TO CITIZENS much like PUBLIC HOUSING ought to avoid NON-CITIZENS from COMPETING WITH CITIZENS.
REFORMS MUCH NEEDED.
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Doctors at SNEC never answered my questions satisfactorily or they don’t answer at all
Why don’t you guys go private can claim medisave. Although you have to come up some cash. You will feel safer with a doc you can trust.
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@Sporeans Keep Govt Employed
Next time try asking “which medical school did you go to” and if the answer is ANY of the ‘good schools’ in India, just walk out of the room and go see a GP. lol
BTW, I asked my specialist during one of my routine checkup and she said that ANY medical degree from India DO NOT qualify the holder to be a doctor in China, even if it is a specialist degree, UNLESS the specialist diploma, degree is a post-graduate from “good schools”, i.e. Harvard, Cambridge, Stanford, etc etc etc.
AT BEST, holder of made-in-india medical degrees are qualified to be a nurse, but China already has plenty of local nurses. lol
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They are locals. One was head of cataract, I went private scheme. He was very good at the operation. But refused to answer some of my questions. Left me puzzled
The other eye I used subsidized patient aka public scheme. It was a Malaysian Chinese lady from Melbourne university. She took a longer time with the op than the first doc.
Using the public scheme I had to get referral from an Indian doc at the polyclinic.
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@TRE Tech
Both times, I have to pay first before they let me in to prepare for op.
Private scheme, there is a payout of $2500 from medisave, so balance pay card. If I recall correctly, it was around $3k plu, not counting the cash you pay the doc for consultation, eye check Etc.
Public scheme, operation fully paid through medisave. About $1k Plus. Consultation, eye check cash or card.
Prices are for years 2010, 2013.
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@TRE Tech
What you say about Indian FT-doctors was the case in Sg before.
While China still maintain the qualification standards,Sin City goes for LOWER STANDARDS but CHARGE HIGHER?
WHAT PROGRE$$ INDEED?!
May we suggest we RESERVE THESE INDIAN *FT* DOCTORS FOR OUR TOP OFFICIALS?
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@Sporeans Keep Govt Employed
Ah I see. So you still attended by local doctors who went to ‘good schools’, lucky for you.
So I think what remains is a policy issue, probably unprepared and did not plan for the sudden influx of FTS.
Now bo bian, just LAN LAN and LOON, just remember to leave a feedback when you are asked to during the next GE, by ticking on the right box. lol
@xoxo
When you have someone who “married a billionaire’s daughter and did not go to a medical school” being put in charge of a medical ministry that he knows shit about, that’s expected, no?
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@TRE Tech
Yep,thats why i call him OYCON.
He sang the *bird* into his hand?
Tech: Frankly, I have seen many CONs in my 2 decades of being in China. Singing the bird down from the tree, compared to the CONs in China, he is at best, an amateur. He don’t even bother to “圆谎”, he merely just give it to the dafts and they have to swallow it, regardless if these dafts wants it or not. lol
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I see, so now you switch side and work for CCP to do Singapore in?
High Alert: Many foreign agents like CCP/CIA are trying to do Singapore in.
We urgently need to weed out extremist/foreign operatives in our midst who are out to subvert Singapore.
As seen in this forum, we have CCP, CIA/MI5, religion extremist inciting division/unrest.
1. Church aided law breakers escape, sponsor, promote/encourage violence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdGkaYUg5rY
2. 香港示威「612」National Endowment for Democracy CIA agent briefing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtqws5QQHPY
Please help our man in blue to protect Singapore.
Be a police volunteer.
Join Citizens on Patrol NOW.
https://www.police.gov.sg/join-spf/volunteer-schemes
Tech: You really need to grow up, Sinkieland is just an Ant on the world map compared to China, why would China even be interested?
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He has to shout here to make himself feel important. “I deserve the top job!” But his real job is to help workers translate emails. His perverted job/hobby is to film old lovebirds in the gardens.
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@xoxo
All your questions are valid but we won’t get any answers or solutions from the PAP as they will treat it as dissent. The PAP only wants those who praise them.
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I did feedback about my dissatisfaction. They just brush me aside cold and stern. Pass me to other doctors. Stonewalled me and closed the case.
The private scheme just pay more. Only plus point is you choose your surgeon. Other than that, it feels very much like a public hospital. Not like those next to tanglin mall.
Throughout my life, I have found this to be true. The smarter the person, the nastier.
The public scheme, I’m not sure if they are still operating at balestier. The nurse very inept. Spilled eye drops all over. Can laugh some more . Horrible attitude. Perhaps she went lousy school? Lol
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@TRE Tech
They can come from the best schools. They can have impressive credentials. They can also say:” it’s a matter of whether we want to do it or not.”
Actually, objectively speaking, the Indian doc at the polyclinic was quite nice and straightforward. No attitude. It’s just that he’s not doing the op.
Although, I can appreciate the points on having too many FTs.
In every school, society, country there are good and bad. In spore, it became a case of local vs foreign because the govt created the situation.
For so many years, there are foreigners in my schools . We had Malaysian teachers. It was not an issue until recently.
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@Sporeans Keep Govt Employed
In a nutshell, the system created the mess that Sinkies are in right now. Just remember to tick the right box when feedback is sought. lol
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Artificial Intelligence used to ‘diagnose’ patients – meaning used as an experiment on selecting unsuspecting $tupid Sheeple Guinea Pigs. Now doctors not needed to assess the disease – the AI will do it and if it tells them you are okay and then you die – too bad.
https://sg.bullshitter.com/news/nuh-ai-faster-effective-treatment-stroke-patients-082627987.html
Remember – dead $inkies tell no tales.
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Perhaps they did not anticipate for the situation to turn out like that?
Lots of sporeans are no angels. Friends forever in school but no guarantee that they won’t get one another out of the way should they be competitors in the same industry.
Also, many like to say things they have no intention of honoring. Can always say misunderstanding, miscommunication.
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Each country is given a score for each of the above factors and then a total score out of 100. According to this index, the ten countries with the best health care are:
South Korea
Taiwan
Denmark
Austria
Japan
Australia
France
Spain
Belgium
United Kingdom
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@Singaporeans R Free Riders:
….”I see, so now you switch side and work for CCP to do Singapore in?
High Alert: Many foreign agents like CCP/CIA are trying to do Singapore in.
We urgently need to weed out extremist/foreign operatives in our midst who are out to subvert Singapore.”’
CCP have no real need to plant agents in SinkieLand.
Many lonely SinkieAhPeks have already been brainwashed since 2016 by WuMao.
Papigs, because of their love of money, will sell condos, GCBs and anything else to the so-called–no-NS new citizens from TiongLand and others.
There is no need for any country to ”invade” Sinkieland—papigs will sell it to the highest bidder!
Papigs only god comes in the color GREEN.
Time to introduce 2 votes for those that do NS.
New citizens can volunteer to do NS—or else can have only one vote.
ONE new citizen one vote.
One NS-served citizen, two votes.
Mindeaf—what do you think.
Your NS volunteer scheme—still born?
Allow new citizen to join SCDF—we have huge shortage.
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I read somewhere that massive immigration can weaken a country. Share your thoughts?
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The long jam is caused by aging population.
Should be expected and act on it earlier.
More resource is needed to ram up the facilities and required trained staff urgently.
Maybe Temasek and GIC can help and put some money back to help Singapore.
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@Singaroar
The PAP *GRA$$LOOTER$* are oso to be blamed by giving FAKE FEEDBACK that MAKE ALL THE PAP POLICIES SEEM LIKE *GODILOCKS* DECISIONS.
Those of us who tell the ground as it is are seen as DAFT WHO ONLY GOOD AT KPKB.
But the OUTCOMES LIKE THIS LONG WAIT TELLS THE HARD TRUTH/S.
No one is perfect n no one is expected to be perfect.
Same for our Gahmen.
The point is our scholar-gahmen THINK THEY CAN DO NO WRONG.
And even when it is obviously wrong,they push blames onto the Sheeple.
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