Lee Hsien Yang: No more ‘ownself check ownself’
No more ‘ownself check ownself’.
It is time to vote for independence and for accountability. These were after all the bases on which the elected presidency was created. Our president is our guarantor against hidden corruption and the appointment of connected persons to cover up abuse of power.
These presidential elections are far from free and fair. Arbitrary rules and procedural hurdles have denied Singaporeans real choices. The legislation and the exercise of discretionary powers by the PSC make it hard for independent or popular candidates to come through.
Spoiling our vote is not the answer. We need a truly independent president, not more ‘ownself check ownself’. Our Constitution places on the presidency a unique and critical role. Another government or PAP man would be more ‘ownself check ownself’. Recent scandals have heightened awareness of the need for independence.
Please make your vote count.
Lee Hsien Yang
Yes. Telling exchange between Ng KS and Tharman: Ng said Tharman is too connected to PAP, Establishment and Fund matters. Tharman says, Ng himself has been and still is similarly connected, and still insists he is “independent”, and so, why not? Implied by both is concession that their connections are indeed problematic; if not why the need to defend?
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I believe there’re ‘hidden corruption’ in the system.
Take the recent case of corruption investigation of the PAP minister, he was caught by accident only.
This was somewhat proudly announced by the CPIB.
In other words, that PAP minister is just unlucky.
So are there cases undetected because those people were lucky?
Also PAP, again, proudly declared that PAP don’t track the personal life of it ministers.
Is corruption a personal life of ministers?
They’re lucky not getting caught is because they make their own luck by doing ownself check ownself.
The ministers indeed ownself make ownself lucky.
Good luck Singapore
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Vote for an independent and non Partisan Candidate.
Not link to any parties.
Best for Singapore.
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QUOTE “the appointment of connected persons to cover up abuse of power” UNQUOTE
very incisive – something fence-sitters and the less educated need to be aware of
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齐心协力要合心
力道微弱不暖心
攥紧过度碎了心
生意要发买旺来
保健开胃吃旺来
体质不宜别乱来
吃多反而头痛来
清廉正洁如莲花
忠诚思乡杜鹃花
实现奇迹枚瑰花
众人渴求雏菊花
**雏菊花–「天真、逆境中的堅強、愉快、希望、深藏在心底的愛」都是小雛菊(Daisy)的花語,清純簡單的外表,對未來抱有天真爛漫的希望,相信凡事都有可能,正是小雛菊的感覺。
Wish everyone have a happy holiday!
Follow your heart (跟随您的心,别太伤脑筋)。
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How do pxppy voters check for scammer.
X: Hello, are you a scammer?
S: No, no, I am from the bank. Give me your id and password.
X: I am glad you are not a scammer. Here’s my id and password.
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We hear u Sir. Come this PE will do what ‘s right for S’pore. We will vote for a independent Head of State & deny the ownself check ownself kind of a system.
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Ownself check ownself is NO CHECK AT ALL!
We need THE EP TO BE AS INDEPENDENT AS POSSIBLE,IF NOT ENTIRELY INDEPENDENT, so as to be truly his “OWN MAN/WOMAN” with regards to “JAGA-ing” our SGS’ RESERVES.
THE “JAGA” OF OUR SGS’ RESERVES(NOT GOVT RESERVES OR PARTY RESERVES) MUST BE ABLE TO “BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE” AS TO HOW RESERVES DRAWDOWNS ARE BEING DISBURSED.
This implies PROPER AUDITTING OF HOW THE GOVT OF THE DAY WHO REQUESTED FOR SUCH DRAWDOWNS APPLY SUCH RESERVES.
THE EP MUST HAVE LEEWAY TO ENSURE ANY DRAWDOWNS ARE EQUITABLY APPLIED FOR THE BENEFITS,FIRST,OF ALL CITIZENS AND THEN OTHERS LIVING AND WORKING HERE.
THE FACT THAT MANY NEEDY BUT DESERVING SGS RECEIVED A MERE GRANT OF $600 AGAINST A CLAIMED GRANT PER CAPITA OF $23.5K WHILE MANY NON-SGS WORKING HERE RECEIVED AMOUNTS IN EXCESS OF THE $23.5K ILLUSTRATES INEQUITY AND UNFAIRNESS.
A PROPER PARLIAMENTARY DEBATE NEEDS TO BE TABLED TO DISCOURSE HOW FUTURE WITHDRAWALS SHOULD BE DISBURSED AND ACCOUNTED FOR.
WE NEED THE EP TO BE OUR INDEPENDENT JAGA OF OUR RESERVES.
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Your salvation cannot be centered on one all powerful individual(or two – two keys) in power. Not even a team of able people because that would fall under “party politics” and degenerate into the politics of money and quest for individual/personal power, which gives rise to dictatorship.
You can only build a kingdom/nation(only option) without….hands.
And you have many “dirty hands” claiming to be “righteous” in your pot of gold.
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Just a simple illustration of proper and equitable disbursement that must be made ACCOUNTABLE to the “JAGA” who,himself/herselg, must be accountable to us,sgs,THE STAKEHDERS,of how such reserves are being APPLIED .
MOM MINISTER ,TAN SEE LENG,when asked,merely said THERE WERE ONLY A SMALL NUMBER OF INTRA-COMPANY TRANSFEREES WHO RECEIVED FURLOUGH FROM THE $100B and just stop short.
Question is it right fiscal practice to dish out sgs’ reserves to non-sgs who have not even started to CONTRIBUTE TO INCOME TAX as they basically arrived at the time when the furlough was given?
WHAT EQUITY IS THERE WHEN ELDERLY NATION-BUILDERS were ARBITRARILY ASSIGNED $600?
ITS SGS’ PAST ACCUMULATED RESERVES ,RIGHT?
WHY SHOULD RESERVE-BUILDERS RECEIVE SUCH MEAGRE SUM?
THEN ,THE G SAYS IT IS FAIR TO CLAW BACK FROM GST?
WHY NOT FROM THOSE WITH HIGH SALARIES AND RECEIVED PROPORTIONATELY MUCH MORE FROM THE COVID BUDGETS?
AND,WHY NOT CUT WAGES THEN INSTEAD?
IT IS A VIABLE OPTION.
THE JAGA MUST BE ALLOWED TO JAGA PROPERLY.
He can not just “HAND OVER THE KEY” TO THE REQUESTOR WITHOUT FOLLOWING UP PROPERLY.
HE NEEDS TO KEEP PROPER RECORDS.
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Who are you to throw stones? Ya, no more ownself check ownself but own brother sabo own brother still goes on. When this place sinks you will be grinning from ear to ear in Limey land.
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2000 Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
2023 Check Ownself, Hidden Corruption
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Somethings don’t work. Ownself check ownself was a joke from the moment it was uttered. But because it was uttered by people in authority, it just sounded right and unquestionable. Only those who are truly independent of mind and principled questioned this stupid, self-serving and condescending statement. The daft ones didn’t though…..there lies the greatest danger to SG. Our only natural resource is our brain…..but if 60% of the population don’t use it, what other competitive advantage do we have to compete with the rest of the world?
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Ah, must be shitting in their pants now.
1. If the party still wants Tharman to comfortably win the PE, then Ng has to go, throw in the towel, and force a one-on-one.
When the PEC disqualified George, they inadvertently planted a vote-splitter in Ng to split the establishment votes, so Tharman will get fewer votes now because some pro-establishment voters may want a less-connected person to be the Pres than someone who is 101% party.
While some non-establishment votes will be lost by Tan to Ng since Ng can hoodwink so much, most votes will be lost by the pro-establishment side.
2. As for Hsien Yang’s latest statement, it’s so superbly drafted (got say something but cannot be accused of saying something), must be from Suet Fern, don’t think it was him.
3. This PE is not more so for an elected Pres, it is more of a report card on the party. Lets see the number of protest votes, which will give an indication of how many daft peasants have woken up.
If Tan still loses despite 3 Tans and 1 Lee, then Sinkieland might as well be another Atlantis, absolutely hopeless liao.
My 2 cents.
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@TRE Tech
Your 2 cents are taken.
Hope TKL wins,even if by only “7000″ votes or “o.5″ pct like Tony,the other of the 4 Tans in 2011.
TS likely garner more from pro-e$tab.
NKS will get his fair share of pro-e$tab plus some from AJ/HG/SK and from banking and finance types.
My final Guess Tally.
TS 32-35 pct
NKS 22-25 pct
TKL 35-40 pct.
Close fight between TS & TKL.
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@rice
I actually have an almost impossible feeling that maybe Tharman may receive the lowest votes in the PE, with Tan Kin Lian emerging the winner.
The season I say this is that, if the protest votes are huge enough, then voters might go with Ng, who has been hoodwinking dafts that he is a so-called “independent”, resulting in the 2 “independents” having more votes than Tharman.
However, reality as I see it now, Tharman MAYBE the 1st establishment candidate to be voted out in the history of the PE.
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Thank you LHY. A much needed powerful voice.First time in our history that Singaporeans are uniting into getting rid of a PAP President. Majulah Singapura
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Although Tan Kin Lian lacks REFINEMENT in all his speeches when compared to Botak and Ng Cock SeePeh Song, he is ONE PERSON WHO DARES TO SPEAK OUT AND REALLY CARES ABOUT THE WELL-BEING AND WELFARE OF THE POOR AND ELDERLY AND THE COMMON FOLKS: IMPORTANT ISSUES SUCH AS THE HIGH COST OF LIVING NOWADAYS(especially Housing and Essential Daily foodstuffs)and the High unemployment rate faced by our LOCAL PMETS(who are BEING RETRENCHED AND REPLACED BY FTS), causing most to be PHD(Private Hire Driver aka GRAB Driver), and last but not least, the increase of GST from 7 to 8% and to 9% next year!
Btw Botak has previously commented that a family earning $1000/month can afford to PURCHASE A HDB FLAT! And that Ng Cock SeePeh Song Bugger when he was the CIO of GIC, lost $billions when he invested in 2 “TOO BIG TO FAIL” USA banks during the 2008 GFC! He is the co-founder of Avanda Investment Management which has RECEIVED HUGE FUNDING from Tombmasek Holdings under Holee Jinx!
So come 1st September 2023, we SHOULD VOTE FOR TAN KIN LIAN TO BE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT! VOTING FOR HIM MEAN WE WILL HAVE A PEOPLE’S PRESIDENT! Voting for either Botak or Ng Cock SeePeh Song mean we WILL HAVE ANOTHER PAPIGS’ PRE$IDENT, PERIOD!
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@TRE Tech
You may be right about Tharman.
He seems to have been sidelined of late by 4G.
And,seems like someone powderful doesn’t like him too much?
Is NKS influenced to participate by some Invisible Hand?God knows really.
All said,TKL will likely be that “cornerstone that the BUILDER$ rejected” and emerges as “The Last shall become first”?
Well,I hope to see the MOST independent of the Trio victorious.
And,I hope he becomes that once rejected “CORNERSTONE” which rebuild the “office” of the President at PAP-filled Istana.
Sure,if TKL wins,it will be one uphill journey for him and his helpers.
May the FORCE be with TKL.
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@rice
I have nothing against Tharman, whom I have been saying is a decent and very capable man, destined for greater things than just being a peanut $2m rubber stamp. I am sure that if he goes private, he could easily secure a much more higher-paying job than the peanut $2m that the office he is contesting now pays.
For reasons best known to himself, I really cannot understand how a very capable man like himself is willing to just be a rubber stamp.
Should he losses this PE (which I think he likely may), then it is really game over for him, with his face and reputation going down the drain.
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You admit that “ownself check ownself” is wrong. That’s the reason you say people throw stones.
This place has already sunk. From 1st world to 3rd world. From PMET to grab.
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Independence of the president is an important factor, but not the only factor. I would normally vote for the independent candidate, but in this case, the problem is that the “most independent” candidate TKL is really weak – senile, has made weird comments including on pretty girls and making nric information public domain, and is staunch supporter of China Communist Party and against democracy! and now he is not even independent as clearly he is now a mascot (or even puppet) of opposition parties.
independence is important, but not a proxy for opposition parties who wants to disrupt the govt. in their quest for power, they will logjam the govt, and singapore will go down the drain.
The further complication in this elections is the government candidate Tharman is very strong (it is not a Tony Tan or Nathan – Halimah no need to talk lah). Well-respected and a really good guy. Remember Ong Teng Cheong was a similar candidate to Tharman, and proved to be a great president. Tharman could well follow suit.
NKS is a solid candidate and I could have gone for him. But with opposition supporters grouping around TKL and PAP supporters around Tharman, NKS has practically no chance. So there is it – support Tharman, and I urge all to do so. The battle around policies are to be fought in the general elections, not in this presidential elections.
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@TRE Tech
You make good observations and give valid comments.
Tharman,if he lose this PE,will be a waste of govt talent as he would have beenl more able to contribute as minister.
As he mentions himself,he has extensive foreign/international relationships forged over the years.
If the PAP is wise,it would have let Tharman be another S.Rajaratnam as Foreign Affairs minister.
Internal politicking inside PAP is quite obvious and seems to be led by the clownish 4G and their daft supporters.
For country?
Really?
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There appears to be a 20% vote-swing away from the oppos camp, so even heavyweights like Dr Tan Cheng Bock, Tan Jee Say and Lee Hsien Yang also no pull liao.
Come GE, the party might even raise its margin to 70% at this rate.
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