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Possible loss of immunity caused by Covid-19 vaccine

I met Mr. H for the first time at a corporate event. We talked about happenings in Singapore. Mr. H is 60 years old, retired from a corporate job, and now runs a business.

He told me that he was not vaccinated for covid-19. He had read, in detail, the documentation of the clinical trial for the Pfizer mRNA vaccine and was amazed to find some disturbing information. Some paragraphs in the document presented by Pfizer, suggested that the vaccine was not fully tested for safety, with some cautionary notes suggesting issues that have happened before. Due to his doubts on the safety issues, he refused to be vaccinated.

Furthermore, he mentioned that the informed consent document which Pfizer had provided to be given to caregivers and recipients of the vaccine in the clinical trial procedure carried a lot more cautionary details with many possible serious adverse events than the one put out by MOH.

MOH has updated the current informed consent document to follow the one issued by Pfizer. This is a real concern as previous advertisements by MOH carried in the papers stated that the vaccine was safe, and only mild adverse reactions may be expected, whereas Pfizer's stated very clearly that the drug was not approved as a vaccine but authorised by the FDA under Emergency Use Authorisation ( EUA ) with an on-going clinical trial. In Singapore, we were told the Pfizer's drug was a vaccine and that it was safe.

I told Mr. H that I trusted the experts in our Ministry of Health and took the 2 jabs of the Pfizer vaccine and 2 boosters.

Mr. H told me that the mRNA vaccine and boosters could have contributed to a drop in immunity. This has caused many people to suffer from turbo cancers, a term used where cancers suddenly developed to a critical stage, which was unusual because cancers take many years to develop to such a stage. However, people as young as in their twenties had developed turbo cancers and passed on, not withstanding that more people have passed on suddenly.

Other forms of serious illnesses, including auto-immune disease, also shot up and the Lupus ward in SGH ( Lupus is one of the auto-immune diseases ) had ran out of beds for sufferers of this sudden auto-immune disease that had developed.

Mr. H told me that two persons in his neighbourhood had recently died from cancer, with the same exact symptoms, 3 months apart. They were healthy without having had any previous indication of cancer, but had developed 4th stage cancer so suddenly. They had just taken their mRNA boosters then. He suspected that the vaccine had caused a drop in immunity in these cases which resulted in the turbo cancers.

Mr. H also told me that his sister recently suffered from auto-immune disease from mixing with people who had been vaccinated with the mRNA vaccines. She was not vaccinated, and according to the clinical trial documentation, he had read that people who have been vaccinated with the spike protein mRNA vaccines can shed the spike proteins out of their bodies. These spike proteins could be absorbed by a person standing close to the vaccinated person who had just been vaccinated, for a period of 2 weeks or so. She became very ill suddenly, with many organs diagnosed as failing.

The doctors could not understand her condition as 2 months earlier, she had gone for her health screening and there was no indication of any problems. The doctors made all kinds of tests on her but all the results came back inconclusive...with tests costing nearly $30k. Finally the doctor told Mr. H that it looks like she had Lupus, an auto-immune disease. But a quick search from the Internet found that auto-immune diseases are usually genetic diseases, but none of the other 4 elder siblings in the family had such diseases, including their parents.

The shock came to Mr. H when he was told that his sister was not able to be warded immediately, as the Lupus ward was full with patients. It was 3 days later that she could be warded in the Lupus ward. Until today, 2 years later, doctors said she can never have full recovery...in all, she was warded for more than a month. Why were so many people warded for this condition? Was the ward ever full before ?

ChatGPT explained that an autoimmune reaction occurs when the body's immune system, which is designed to protect against external threats such as bacteria and viruses, mistakenly attacks and damages its own tissues. In a healthy immune system, the body can differentiate between its own cells and foreign substances. However, in the case of an autoimmune response, the immune system fails to recognize certain parts of the body as "self," leading it to produce autoantibodies that attack normal cells, tissues, and organs.

We then discussed the excess deaths seen in Singapore. The number of annual deaths mentioned by Mr. H have increased, 22000+ in 2020 before the vaccine program was rolled out, then suddenly shot up to 24000+ in 2021 and 26000+ in 2022, higher deaths than the normal expected increase. The same was happening in many countries where Pfizer or mRNA vaccines were administered. However, the ratio of excess deaths in Singapore was among the highest compared with the other countries that were covered in a recent statistical report. The high ratio correlated with the high % of population being vaccinated with mRNA vaccines, which, if he remembered correctly, was 95%.

Was there a study done to check the reason for the excess deaths? If the vaccine indeed has serious negative impacts, it would hit Singapore harder due to our high rate of vaccination.

I am not able to form any opinion on the views expressed by Mr. H. I hope that the Ministry of Health will give an explanation on the high rate of excess deaths in Singapore and comment if there was a large increase of cases that need to be treated in the Lupus ward.

 

Tan Kin Lian

 

 

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26 Responses to “Possible loss of immunity caused by Covid-19 vaccine”

  • I tot Kin Lian knows the the lady cult leader, stilll not converted yet to unvax side?

    Only 2 C19 shots, where got enough, got many many booster shots right?

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  • Pineapple:

    Me too busy with foreign bodies, the big ones.

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  • rice:

    The “vaxxed” will eventually be very VEX.
    It is not whether but when.
    Meanwhile,ONG keeps CONNING…
    HAPPY “VEX-ING”?

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  • Worldwide sudden death:

    There were already sudden deaths of athletes reported worldwide for those who injected with mRNA vaccines. Although I believe the rates are low but it’s not right to release a new vaccine type such as mRNA without fully tested which typically takes 5 to 7 years.

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  • @rice

    Unless Ong the Con is among the 300 or so who are exempted from taking the deadly mRNA vaccines, he will not be exempted from the 1200+ side effects of the vacccine.

    Already got one VVVIP grandson/granddaughter pre-mature birth liao, more will be coming, just a matter of time, not a matter of IF.

    There will be karma for those reponsible for the CON.

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  • opposition dude:

    Not surprisingly the PAP has not published the numbers who went for a second and above booster, must be because hardly anyone is going. You can tell when they have to close this JVTC and that JVTC all over the island. Not many going so why waste manpower and resources right?

    MOH’s website is stuck at the magic 80% number who have got the minimum protection. That 95% figure touted about is just from the very minimum of one shot. They don’t publish the percentage who have had a second booster nor how many have gone for a year without a second booster.

    What the paper does publish is the same old shit about the newest version of the vaccine being deployed to fight whatever XBB 1.5 or whatever variant of the virus and the same old nonsense about vulnerable people getting a booster. Boring!

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  • @opposition dude

    In the city where I am residing in, we don’t give a shit about XBB 1.5 or XBB 2.5 anymore. Nobody gives a shit whether you are vaccinated or not, even the govt agencies don’t bother to ask anymore.

    Whenever one has a fever, unless it is very serious, they just go pharma buy the LianHua TCM and fever meds, 3 days mostly all healed. As for MC, most private employers don’t even ask for MC (mostly based on trust), except for govt agencies.

    Serious cases only then go the hospital, but not many warded, only given prescription meds and told to go home rest.

    Those kiasi and kiasu one can still go for C19 test, costing RMB15.

    As for most of us, Covid-19, whaT Covid-19?

    BTW, China has little or no “drop like flies” cases due to the mRNA vaccines because most, if not all of its populace is NOT vaccinated with mRNA. lol

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  • Dr:

    Am against all covid vacc. My expert/professional opinion

    shedding spike protein and absorbing spike proteins leading to lupus is crap
    this comment alone negates the credibility of your piece
    tkl, the more you write here the less credible will become of you

    read up more on lupus and if it is within your capacity, try to understand why females are more susceptible to it etc

    I am doing you a favor reading/responding

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  • Harder Truths:

    Covid Was An Orchestrated Event

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2023/11/08/covid-was-an-orchestrated-event/

    Paul Craig Roberts

    Early into the “Covid pandemic” it was clear that the pandemic was a hoax. It was orchestrated by false news scare stories, by the use of a PCR “Covid test” that produced 97% false positives, a test whose inventor said was in no instance an indicator of Covid infection.

    It was orchestrated by refusing treatment of Covid patients with known cures such as Ivermectin. Instead of treating Covid patients, patients were told to go home, and if they got worse to go to the hospital, where the treatment was to be put on ventilators, which killed the patients. Indeed, hospitals were paid a bonus for every patient whose death was attributed to Covid. Consequently, almost everyone who died, even from motorcycle accidents, were reported as Covid deaths.

    Eventually a doctor caught on and produced a video showing that ventilators were the death agents. Patients were dying from the ventilators rather than from Covid. The original medical assumption was that Covid resulted in pneumonia for which antibiotics and ventilators are treatments. But the problem was different. The Covid virus interferes with the ability of blood cells to carry oxygen, like fentanyl does, an overdose of which killed George Floyd.

    Ivermectin is an effective preventer and cure, but its use was prohibited by the “Covid Protocols.” No cure could be admitted to exist, because if a cure existed, there could not be an emergency use authorization for an untested vaccine to be marketed. It is for this reason only that Ivermectin and HCQ, another cure, were prohibited. If they were acknowledged as cures and preventatives, the mRNA “vaccine” could not have been marketed under emergency use authorization.

    Americans were scared, so of course they couldn’t think. They rushed to the intended “vaccine” which promised falsely to save them. We know now that the vaccine is neither a preventative nor does it prevent transmission. We also know that the Covid virus manufactured in labs with funding from Dr. Fauci at NIH turned out to be too weak of a health threat to achieve the goal of population reduction. Numerous studies by real scientists, not the whores on Big Pharma’s payroll, have shown that the Covid “vaccine” has killed far more people than the manufactured and intentionally released Covid virus.

    We don’t know if the dangerous Covid mRNA “vaccine” is a mistake or an intention.

    Independent experts have predicted that everyone who had 2 Covid jabs will be dead in 10 years. But now a new discovery has emerged. It turns out that properties in the vaccines might have caused a concentration of the dangerous elements to accumulate in 5% of the doses. If this in fact is true, then only 5% of the inoculated are doomed to die.

    Even today with the publication of massive evidence that the most stupid thing a person can do is to take another Covid “vaccine” jab, medical authorities continue to recommend Covid jabs even for children. In other words, the truth continues to be suppressed.

    What this demonstrates is the total control Big Pharma has over the medical profession. There are examples of knowledgable independent doctors prescribing Ivermectin for their Covid patients and the pharmacists refusing to honor the prescription because of the Big Pharma propaganda, supported by Fauci, President Biden, the media, NIH and CDC, endlessly propagated by the presstitutes that Ivermectin was a “horse medicine” dangerous to humans.

    How many times in the future will Americans allow themselves to be lied into self-damage by orchestrated fear?

    Meanwhile in $inkieland, the ballsless population run screaming to the Regime to save them. Any people as stupid as $inkies deserve to perish.

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  • Panjinlian:

    In 1927, Charles Augustus Lindbergh flew from New York to Paris in 33 hours.

    Nowadays, the same journey on board a Boeing aircraft takes only about 4 hours.

    The funny thing is, in 2023, many people are still having the mentality of those who were living in 1927, thinking that vaccines would still take decades to develop.

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  • Light The Way:

    Under the auspices of the incumbent party, the majority if not all initiatives undertaken are hexxed.

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  • opposition dude:

    TRE Tech:
    @opposition dude

    In the city where I am residing in, we don’t give a shit about XBB 1.5 or XBB 2.5 anymore. Nobody gives a shit whether you are vaccinated or not, even the govt agencies don’t bother to ask anymore.

    BTW, China has little or no “drop like flies” cases due to the mRNA vaccines because most, if not all of its populace is NOT vaccinated with mRNA. lol

    Here the papers love printing reports about updated vaccines and that they will bring them in. Always going on and on about this version of the vaccine target this variant of the virus and the newer one target some other variant. If only you were back home and jalan around the island you would see that easily 90% of people do not wear masks anymore which is a good thing as people need to get used to breathing in naturally as well as the need for a sense of normality.

    However, there are still some goondu job advertisements online that ask (or have the requirement) that the candidate is vaccinated ha ha ha.

    PAP knows that the deaths have gone up due to the vaccines lah, they just bua bodoh only.

    I don’t know about the deaths from non mrna vaccines though. If there are any, in theory, they should be a lot less than those from the mrna ones. The far more important thing is that this cursed virus remains as harmless as it is now no matter what number of mutations it goes through,

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  • Wusong:

    Panjinlian:
    In 1927, Charles Augustus Lindbergh flew from New York to Paris in 33 hours.

    Nowadays, the same journey on board a Boeing aircraft takes only about 4 hours.

    The funny thing is, in 2023, many people are still having the mentality of those who were living in 1927, thinking that vaccines would still take decades to develop.

    In 1927, babies required about 9 months to be born. The funny thing is, in 2023, babies still require about 9 months to be born. So don’t compare human beings to aeroplanes. We are much more complex than any engineering.

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  • Panjinlian:

    For the past century, medical science has developed leaps and bounds to improve health care for people.

    In 1927, there was no test tube babies, no surrogate mothers but now it could be easily done.

    In the 19th century, any one infected with TB bacteria and develop an infection, certain death would just be few years away. Now? most will recovered fully in a matter of months.

    Twenty years ago, one of my friends went for an operation on a condition known as “hernia”. The incision wound of the operation at his abdomen was @ 7 cm in length and he was kept in the hospital for 3 days.

    Just last year, the same medical procedure was performed on one of my relatives. He went in the morning and released from the hospital in the afternoon. The mark of the medical procedure ( keyhole operation)left on his abdomen was just above the size of a peanut.

    If Wusong is our contemporary, when he gets intoxicated, he would probably fight the “Thaigress” in Thailand!

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  • rice:

    @TRE Tech
    The CON must go on as the $takes are high.
    So the con$ must keep conning.
    Top job$ and reputation are at risk here.
    How will they reveal the TRUTH?
    So,instead they have to keep bluffing.

    Anyways, the humble “Lienwa” is doing its job.
    1 Billion humans have proven its efficacy.
    And yet, Angmoh-philes keep taking snides at “CCP” or anything “cheena”?

    Still,Money chaser$ cannot stop selling “McD” hong bao bao in CCP LAND even after brandishing XJP as dictator???

    Money is THE WORD.
    What does TRUTH count for these days?

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  • Harder Truths:

    Genocide by Covid “Vaccine”

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2023/11/22/genocide-by-covid-vaccine/

    The FDA, Big Pharma, and Fauci Knew Prior to Release that the Covid Vaccine was Ineffective and Lethal but released it regardless. The result was massive deaths and health injuries for which there has been no accountability, just as there is no accountability for Israel’s mass murder of Palestinians.

    The hard evidence is in from the documents the FDA was forced to release by court order.

    Dr Naomi Wolf explains:

    Pfizer (and thus the FDA) knew by December 2020 that the MRNA vaccines did not work — that they “waned in efficacy” and presented “vaccine failure.” One side effect of getting vaccinated, as they knew by one month after the mass 2020 rollout, was “COVID.”

    Pfizer knew in May of 2021 that 35 minors’ hearts had been damaged a week after MRNA injection — but the FDA rolled out the EUA for teens a month later anyway, and parents did not get a press release from the US government about heart harms til August of 2021, after thousands of teens were vaccinated. [See this]

    Pfizer (and thus the FDA; many of the documents say “FDA: CONFIDENTIAL” at the lower boundary) knew that, contrary to what the highly paid spokesmodels and bought-off physicians were assuring people, the MRNA, spike protein and lipid nanoparticles did not stay in the injection site in the deltoid, but rather went, within 48 hours, into the bloodstream, from there to lodge in the liver, spleen, adrenals, lymph nodes, and, if you are a woman, in the ovaries.

    Pfizer (and thus the FDA) knew that the Moderna vaccine had 100 mcg of MRNA, lipid nanoparticles and spike protein, which was more than three times the 30 mcg of the adult Pfizer dose; the company’s internal documents show a higher rate of adverse events with the 100 mcg dose, so they stopped experimenting with that amount internally due to its “reactogenicity” — Pfizer’s words — but no one told all of the millions of Americans who all got the first and second 100 mcg Moderna dose, and the boosters.

    Pfizer skewed the trial subjects so that almost three quarters were female — a gender that is less prone to cardiac damage. Pfizer lost the records of what became of hundreds of their trial subjects.

    In the internal trials, there were over 42,000 adverse events and more than 1200 people died. Four of the people who died, died on the day they were injected.

    Read the entire article here:

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/dear-friends-sorry-announce-genocide/5782022

    But if you are a $inkie $heeple who loves the Regime then disregard the above. Everything is fine. Nothing will happen to you. And if by some chance you just happen to keel over and die after taking the booster that is just your fate. The Regime is never wrong you know.

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  • Harder Truths:

    Study Reveals More Than Half of COVID-19 Vaccinated Feel Sick a Year Later

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/study-reveals-more-than-half-covid-19-vaccinated-feel-sick-year-later/5840692

    Over half of COVID-19 vaccine recipients in a recent study were found to be suffering from some form of health complications one year after taking the shots.

    The study, published at ScienceDirect on Nov. 10, examined potential post-COVID-19 vaccination syndrome (PCVS) among vaccinated individuals and assessed their quality of life (QoL). The study was conducted among adults aged 18 and above from India who had received either Bharat Biotech’s COVAXIN or the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccines.

    Among vaccine recipients, 52.8 percent of individuals were found to have at least 1 PCVS a month after primary vaccination. At 12 months, 64.6 percent reported at least 1 PCVS. Though the quality of life rose at six months following vaccination, it subsequently fell at 12 months.

    The overall prevalence of PCVS among individuals vaccinated with AstraZeneca was 65.59 percent compared to COVAXIN’s 59.4 percent.

    Among individuals who took booster shots, over eight out of ten reported at least one PCVS, which is far higher than the five in ten people from the unvaccinated group who reported a similar syndrome.

    The prevalence of PCVS “was similar to long-term COVID; it declined over time and increased following booster immunization. Contrary to PCVS prevalence, QoL rises with time and falls after booster doses,” the study concluded.

    “There was a statistically significant difference in the prevalence of PCVS and QoL between booster dose recipients and no booster dose recipients.” The study was conducted between September 2021 and May 2023.

    The authors of the study pointed out that research on the effects of immunization and its effects on people with long-term COVID have caused “debate as they gave rise to varying outcomes.”

    “Some evidence indicates a change in, an improvement in, a continuation of, or even a worsening of long-term COVID symptoms following vaccination. The ratio of change in antibody titers was noticeably larger in the group of people whose illnesses became worse.” Antibody titer is a lab test that measures the level of antibodies in a blood sample.

    The study was funded by the Indian Council of Medical Research. The two authors of the study, Yogendra Shrestha and Rajesh Venkataraman, are from the Department of Pharmacy Practice, Sri Adichunchanagiri College of Pharmacy, India.

    They reported “no financial or interpersonal conflicts” that may have affected the study results.

    I have noticed there are a lot of Regime agencies advising people to get their wills done, their power-of-attorney and other such things in case they ‘fall sick’. What a coincidence.

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  • Dalai SaysRead My Lips":

    Wusong: In 1927, babies required about 9 months to be born. The funny thing is, in 2023, babies still require about 9 months to be born. So don’t compare human beings to aeroplanes. We are much more complex than any engineering.

    Panjinlian:
    For the past century, medical science has developed leaps and bounds to improve health care for people.

    In 1927, there was no test tube babies, no surrogate mothers but now it could be easily done.

    In the 19th century, any one infected with TB bacteria and develop an infection, certain death would just be few years away. Now? most will recovered fully in a matter of months.

    Twenty years ago, one of my friends went for an operation on a condition known as “hernia”. The incision wound of the operation at his abdomen was @ 7 cm in length and he was kept in the hospital for 3 days.

    Just last year, the same medical procedure was performed on one of my relatives. He went in the morning and released from the hospital in the afternoon. The mark of the medical procedure ( keyhole operation)left on his abdomen was just above the size of a peanut.

    I cannot believe no one has commented 36 hours later on your riposte. Oh well, here’s my 2 cents. Mostly agree with you, but I think you have missed the point of Wusong’s argument. It seems to me he is arguing for the scientific rationalism of the vaccine’s rapid developmental pace, but you set up some straw men and knock them down – such as “In 1927, there was no test tube babies, no surrogate mothers but now it could be easily done”.
    Scientific method *IMPOSED* rational and empirical structure to explorations of experience, resulting in naturalism. Test-tube or IVF babies still need the 9 months to incubate.

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  • Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    Dalai SaysRead My Lips":
    I cannot believe no one has commented 36 hours later on your riposte. Oh well, here’s my 2 cents. Mostly agree with you, but I think you have missed the point of Wusong’s argument. It seems to me he is arguing for the scientific rationalism of the vaccine’s rapid developmental pace, but you set up some straw men and knock them down – such as “In 1927, there was no test tube babies, no surrogate mothers but now it could be easily done”.
    Scientific method *IMPOSED* rational and empirical structure to explorations of experience, resulting in naturalism. Test-tube or IVF babies still need the 9 months to incubate.

    Well said.

    Basically, many SSS Sinkies are still in denial mode, so they will use all kinds of strawman arguments or defer to some MSM authority figurehead, instead of utilizing their logical thinking cap.

    I guess 95% SSS Sinkies cannot “tahan” the TRUTH about these “Xperimental mRNA jabs”, Yes?/No? LOL.

    As the quote goes: “The further a society drifts away from the Truth, the more it will hate those who speak it” – George Orwell

    This also reminds me of some of the denialists like “ZhenZiDumb” (who KIA / MIA liao after 4 jabs?;) and others such as that “PAP Jab Mandate Strong” (who so scared of me and avoiding my simple question to him on how many more “boosters” he is going to get? LOL.

    All these folks will become “chui tat sai” (Hokkien: mouth kenna stuck with s**t) by just asking them a few simple questions lor…. then their brains go into a contradictory loop and freeze up. LOL.

    Anyway, don’t bother so much about the SSS Sinkies lah… lots of them may already have shortened lifespan so no point to argue too much with them. Just encourage each other (for those Sinkies who never took any of the “Xperimental mRNA Jabs”) because these will be worthwhile friends since they will live longer and they are proven to have critical thinking and a strong backbone too. Yes? LOL.

    https://rumble.com/v3xhi1f-dr.-aseem-malhotra-all-of-you-that-refused-to-take-the-covid-vaccine-you-ar.html

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  • Malaigai Tinggiri:

    There are many in this forum questioned the validity of mRNA vaccines.

    Panjinlian was just trying to highlight the fact that the state of the art medical science could perform much more than they could imagine. Developing a new vaccine is no longer very time consuming and difficult.

    About the duration of the gestation of human babies, under the current medical technology, it could be shortened to say 8 months or more, under compelling circumstances. The babies delivered could still grow up healthy and normal. This actually attests to Panjinlian’s line of contention about vaccines development.

    I believe that now we have the capability to clone human beings. But it is prohibited by law and ethical issues.

    Dalai SaysRead My Lips":
    I cannot believe no one has commented 36 hours later on your riposte. Oh well, here’s my 2 cents. Mostly agree with you, but I think you have missed the point of Wusong’s argument. It seems to me he is arguing for the scientific rationalism of the vaccine’s rapid developmental pace, but you set up some straw men and knock them down – such as “In 1927, there was no test tube babies, no surrogate mothers but now it could be easily done”.
    Scientific method *IMPOSED* rational and empirical structure to explorations of experience, resulting in naturalism. Test-tube or IVF babies still need the 9 months to incubate.

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  • Dalai Says "Read My Lips":

    Spineless Sinkie Syndrome:

    Thks, bro.

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  • Dalai Says "Read My Lips":

    Malaigai Tinggiri: There are many in this forum questioned the validity of mRNA vaccines.

    Panjinlian was just trying to highlight the fact that the state of the art medical science could perform much more than they could imagine. Developing a new vaccine is no longer very time consuming and difficult.

    About the duration of the gestation of human babies, under the current medical technology, it could be shortened to say 8 months or more, under compelling circumstances. The babies delivered could still grow up healthy and normal. This actually attests to Panjinlian’s line of contention about vaccines development.

    I believe that now we have the capability to clone human beings. But it is prohibited by law and ethical issues.

    While I applaud we are technologically advancing faster than ever, but there’s a difference between natural and unnatural, and this is by no means natural at all. In ‘cloning’, scientists edited a dangerous mutation out of embryo genes, but who’s to say that they couldn’t accidentally create an even more dangerous mutation. If they remove the mutations from the embryo could it change genes and lead to a defect? Personally I was shocked that scientist are changing mutations without knowing an outcome, or how effective the edit is on an embryo. There is a reason that nature has a way of doing things, and therefore there is a reason for these mutations. It also isn’t necessarily in favor of the embryo either, considering how much could go wrong. Some disadvantages of editing genetic mutations include, not knowing the outcome of the edit and the possibility of changing the genetic sequence. If they edited the gene and it copied incorrectly and then added it to the genetic sequence, would it cause the embryo to have more complex problems?
    All in genetic mutation editing like mRNA could do good for many people however it could also cause irreversible damage for leading future generations.

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  • Relax:

    @”He had read, in detail, the documentation of the clinical trial for the Pfizer mRNA vaccine and was amazed to find some disturbing information. Some paragraphs in the document presented by Pfizer, suggested that the vaccine was not fully tested for safety, with some cautionary notes suggesting issues that have happened before.”

    Response: i think “tested for safety” is more important than “time factor” despite in a critical situation.

    @”MOH has updated the current informed consent document to follow the one issued by Pfizer. This is a real concern as previous advertisements by MOH carried in the papers stated that the vaccine was safe, and only mild adverse reactions may be expected, whereas Pfizer’s stated very clearly that the drug was not approved as a vaccine but authorised by the FDA under Emergency Use Authorisation ( EUA ) with an on-going clinical trial. In Singapore, we were told the Pfizer’s drug was a vaccine and that it was safe.”

    Response: knowing the facts but not telling it, isn’t considered a lie? Or is it a ‘white lie'(善意的谎言) to ‘save people’ in a critical situation?

    Only the person will know the answer, so touch your conscience.

    Btw white lie is still a sin bcoz people felt been deceived and lost faith, and it created pains and sufferings.

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  • Harder Truths:

    Dalai SaysRead My Lips": I cannot believe no one has commented 36 hours later on your riposte. Oh well, here’s my 2 cents.

    Sometimes people are so stupid it is better not to waste your time on them.

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  • Malaigai Tinggiri:

    Hi, Bang, spot on!

    Medical technology might now able to clone human but it is still at its infancy stage, the product might have many defects. That is one of the reasons why it is prohibited by law.

    Years ago, ever came across an article about the attempt by the now disintegrated Soviet Union, to clone a new creature using the DNA of the African low land gorilla and that of the Homo Neanderthalensis, in the hope of getting a new creature many times more powerful than any human individual in the world, but has intelligence much higher than ape. If successful, the new creature could be trained to become an invincible army.

    Now Soviet Union is no longer there and there was no super powerful soldiers ever come into being, thus the Soviet failed obviously.

    Natural could be wrong also! There are many defective outcomes by natural processes. One of my classmates was having twelve fingers, there are also many come into this world with 47 chromosomes and etc.

    However, at this stage, cloning of the whole human is prohibited and is a no go, but cloning of human parts and organs should have been allowed.

    Imagine using a blind man tissues and clone complete and healthy eye balls, transplanted into the eye sockets of the blind man, it would be so wonderful, isn’t it?

    Dalai Says "Read My Lips": While I applaud we are technologically advancing faster than ever, but there’s a difference between natural and unnatural, and this is by no means natural at all. In ‘cloning’, scientists edited a dangerous mutation out of embryo genes, but who’s to say that they couldn’t accidentally create an even more dangerous mutation. If they remove the mutations from the embryo could it change genes and lead to a defect? Personally I was shocked that scientist are changing mutations without knowing an outcome, or how effective the edit is on an embryo. There is a reason that nature has a way of doing things, and therefore there is a reason for these mutations. It also isn’t necessarily in favor of the embryo either, considering how much could go wrong. Some disadvantages of editing genetic mutations include, not knowing the outcome of the edit and the possibility of changing the genetic sequence. If they edited the gene and it copied incorrectly and then added it to the genetic sequence, would it cause the embryo to have more complex problems?
    All in genetic mutation editing like mRNA could do good for many people however it could also cause irreversible damage for leading future generations.

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  • Dalai Says "Read My Lips":

    Harder Truths: Sometimes people are so stupid it is better not to waste your time on them.

    “Copy”, bro. Many will argue that the scientific method ie: genomics, offers that already. However, as we can observe through some commenters in the article, the scientific method is, for them, meaningful. As much as I hate the result, passage of time may be the only sieve through which truth emerges.

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