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Giving up on TFR?

I notice that in Lawrence Wong's recent budget statement and the Committee of Supply debates, one issue that is of interest to me and I believe many other concerned citizens too, ie, our plunging Total Fertility Rate (TFR) was not properly discussed and debated.

I wonder why?

Could it be that the pap government has now quietly given up any hope of reviving or improving our TFR challenges which they themselves are a major part of the problem.

I ask if their solution is just continuing doing what they have been doing, ie, taking in new citizens to make up for our depleting native population and our fast aging population and if so, it is basically just kicking the can down the road because there will come a time when new citizens become old and not economically productive with no or having few children themselves and then their situations will compound our already very tough TFR and aging challenges.

I invite fellow netizens to share their thoughts, opinions and experiences.

Think.

Simon Lim

 

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35 Responses to “Giving up on TFR?”

  • No hope:

    When a team fails year after year for half a century, do you blame the team or those who support the team?

    Simon, blame yourself for heaping so much unwarranted praise on the team. Big head can’t do work.

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  • Money Launderers Buying Island:

    ”Chinese national who had Singaporeans front landed property purchases arrested”
    ”Mah’s GCB on Holland Rise was sold to Wang Qianqian, a Chinese-turned-Singapore citizen”
    Tip of the iceberg; island for sale.
    Christmas Island was once sold away.
    Now the whole island is on sale.

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  • Trust only myself:

    It’s not giving up, just that this is the winning formula (with new citizens) which I had mentioned many years ago and now everybody can see I am right or wrong………..

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  • Confusion Says:

    Confusion says, when you intend to fail, and you fail, that’s success. When you fool others into believing you want success, that double success.

    LKY’s eugenics come to mind.

    Trust only myself:
    It’s not giving up, just that this is the winning formula (with new citizens) which I had mentioned many years ago and now everybody can see I am right or wrong………..

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  • opposition dude:

    I thought the TFR wayang was exposed a long time back. Seems like dafts still believe everything PAP says hmm.

    Look at it this way, the PAP says they have done this and that to TRY and increase the birthrate but oh no, they failed. What a surprise eh?

    The problems have already been published oh so many times but NONE of them have ever been resolved. Long working hours, job insecurity, high cost of living anyone? Have you seen PAP SINCERELY do anything to solve these issues? I haven’t. All I have seen is PAP only increasing the number of GST vouchers or amounts with no effort made to, GASP, reduce the bloody GST at all.

    And please do not forget the number of MRT lines we have operating today. You don’t just gong gong build line after line hor, the intention is to increase the number of aliens on the island to at least 7 million like Hong Kong. Otherwise they will say all these lines running empty lah, expensive to maintain lah and all that.

    The intention is crystal clear for those who are daft. Nothing will be done to improve the TFR, it will continue dropping and PAP will happily allow in even more aliens since there won’t be enough Singaporeans for jobs in 20 years time.

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  • rice:

    No doubt about this.
    The HIGHER the NUMBER OF FTs,the LOWER the TFR.
    It is in $ync with “NATIONAL” productivity vs number of FTs.
    Plotting both TFR AND NATIONAL PRODUCTIVITY VS NUMBER OF FTs will produce the same chart pattern.

    So,blame who?
    “small space” or “$mall brain$”???

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  • Opt "easy" Solution:

    their defence? –
    * “other countries in similar situation –
    with no solution in sight”

    so, never mind, they are highest-paid officers.

    They default to “easy” solution –
    open the floodgates. . .

    :(

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  • NotMyProblem:

    Why bother with TFR when importing of new citizens is so much easier and faster!

    Babies need to wait for at least 21 years before they can contribute to the reserve. Meanwhile PAP needs to provide hospitals, schools, childcare, etc. Furthermore, babies don’t buy BTOs. Most importantly they don’t vote!

    Whereas, all new citizen are of voting age, obligated to vote for PAP! They buy houses and pay taxes. Some even bring in money, clean or otherwise, to the government.

    Knowing the PAP, lazy and highly paid, it is understandable that they will take the easy way out. Do nothing!

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  • Asset Enhancement minister:

    Mahboro Tan cashing out after enhancing his own asset.
    Probably migrating to Perth where old papigs like to retire
    Typical sinkie holding very lease-decayed assets can sucked thumb.
    A great opportunist that lost to Chiam”
    ”After completing his university education, Mah worked in the Singapore Bus Service from 1973 to 1983 and became its general manager. ”
    SBS GM can buy Gcb

    Money Launderers Buying Island:
    ”Chinese national who had Singaporeans front landed property purchases arrested”
    ”Mah’s GCB on Holland Rise was sold to Wang Qianqian, a Chinese-turned-Singapore citizen”
    Tip of the iceberg; island for sale.
    Christmas Island was once sold away.
    Now the whole island is on sale.

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  • @Money Launderers Buying Island

    Wah, I tot FTs buying landed property in Sinkieland is encouraged, why must use Sinkie’s name to buy?

    Also, if Sinkie is friend friend, cannot ask friend to buy and hold in trust meh? Like that also cannot?

    Jialut lor, Jack Ma still ask me a few days ago to use my name and help him buy the 2 mega-bungalows at Ridout for him lor. lol

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  • rice:

    @TRE Tech
    Your post ,though light-hearted, strikes a salient and important point.

    It makes me wonder why the G allows PRs/FTs to buy HDB but barred from buying private landed when the G should be more concerned about HDB prices getting pushed up by PRs’ Speculative demand???

    The G should be more particular about NON-Sgs “gorenging” the HDB market rather than competing with rich sgs in landed properties,right?
    Even Sentosa Cove is allowed for purchase by foreigners.
    Why “mainland” Sg cannot?
    Is SENTOSA PART OF REPUBLIC OF SG?
    IF SO,WHY 2 SETS OF LAW$?

    Anyway,if I were a Govt minister ,I would be so worried to see POOR MAN’S HDB EXCHANGING HANDS AT $1.5 M WHEN LANDED FREEHOLD ARE BEING SOLD AT JUST $2.5M OR SO ON AVERAGE?

    Going by economic logic,if HDB ID SELLING FOR $1.5M,LANDED HOUSES SHOULD BE PRICED MUCH HIGHER IF THE G JUST LET IT BE MORE “LAIZZEZ FAIRE” LIKE HOW THE G allows NON-Sgs to BUY HDB?

    So instead of regulating HDB MORE STRINGENTLY AS HDB IS PUBLIC SECTOR ,THE G MEDDLE MORE IN LANDED WHICH IS PROVATE SRCTOR.
    STRANGE …

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  • You make, ghamen feed!:

    Every thing blames ghamen?

    If the ghamen says: you make, ghamen feed!

    OK or not?

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  • SINGAROAR:

    True Blue Singaporeans are too smart to have babies. We allow the new citizens the pleasure of having babies and raising them to be conditioned by the PAP to keep voting them into power.

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  • Gov Suck Citizens Happy:

    Of course, gahmen must keep on sucking. More, more, more.

    You make, ghamen feed!:
    Every thing blames ghamen?

    If the ghamen says: you make, ghamen feed!

    OK or not?

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  • How many GCB Ministers?:

    ”At least five family offices in Singapore linked to 10 accused in S$3B money laundering case​”
    ‘Former minister Mah Bow Tan sells Good Class Bungalow at Holland Rise for $50 mil’

    SBS GM can afford to gain from GCB sale.
    Asset enhancement Minister truly gain from his brilliant ‘asset enhancing’ strategy….too bad for sinkie-hdb-holders staring at their lease-decayed 99=zero pigeon-holes.

    Asset Enhancement minister:
    Mahboro Tan cashing out after enhancing his own asset.
    Probably migrating to Perth where old papigs like to retire
    Typical sinkie holding very lease-decayed assets can sucked thumb.
    A great opportunist that lost to Chiam”
    ”After completing his university education, Mah worked in the Singapore Bus Service from 1973 to 1983 and became its general manager. ”
    SBS GM can buy Gcb

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  • FTs good:

    Frankly,our young sgs are mostly irrespectful and self-centred.
    They just want to have their own fun.
    Guys or gals same,very westernised.
    If they get pregnant,they want to abort giving 10 thousand reasons.

    So too some FT-NEW CITIZENS are irrespectful.
    They cannot even walk properly but purpisely knock into elderly sgs.
    I notice Indians,pinoys and malaysians.

    Bring in Taiwanese or even China’s graduates.
    They are more respectful.
    They are genuinely hardworking.
    And,they uphold respect and family values.

    This is my sincere observation.
    Go check it out yourselves.

    Yes,be more selective.
    The Gahmen should try to attract young Taiwanese to come here.
    Even those from China’s top universities .

    If we do that,our TFR will likely improve.
    So too the quality of our NEW CITIZENS from among the PRs/FTs.

    BTW,NO angmohs please!
    They are pretentious and arrogant.
    We have enough of them.
    If our young want to learn good values,angmohs are the worst.

    Look,they have no respect for their parents and teachers.
    They want Free Sex and Free Abortion.
    With them,TFR will go lower.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    You make, ghamen feed!:
    Every thing blames ghamen?

    If the ghamen says: you make, ghamen feed!

    OK or not?

    bro, chee b*ye Opposition is always like that, they had no solution except complain and blame our great PAP gahmen.

    This is the tactic of Opposition, Oppose for the sake of Opposing, never offer solution.

    Singapore will crash if Opposition are voted in to be the government.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    SINGAROAR:
    True Blue Singaporeans are too smart to have babies. We allow the new citizens the pleasure of having babies and raising them to be conditioned by the PAP to keep voting them into power.

    Don’t talk cawk.

    Go be a volunteer and you see many irresponsible Sinkies dump their kids to taxpayer to care for.

    https://www.glyphcommunity.com/

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  • 2Daft2Live:

    SINGAROAR:
    True Blue Singaporeans are too smart to have babies. We allow the new citizens the pleasure of having babies and raising them to be conditioned by the PAP to keep voting them into power.

    The new citizens are not stupid….many give up after 2 or 3 children. I know of ex-Malaysians who realized that it is just too expensive and they are killing themselves if they have more. The younger Malaysians only want to come here and work but balk at becoming SG citizens….despite lots of sweeteners and suggestions from our immigration. Same for other nationalities…..humans are alike all over the world.

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  • Please Quit:

    With your arrogant and disdainful attitude, you shouldn’t volunteer for any kids charity. You are poison.

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: Don’t talk cawk.

    Go be a volunteer and you see many irresponsible Sinkies dump their kids to taxpayer to care for.

    https://www.glyphcommunity.com/

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Please Quit:
    With your arrogant and disdainful attitude, you shouldn’t volunteer for any kids charity. You are poison.

    Me Arrogant ? No.
    Me Disdainful ? Yes, this is correct.
    I had my principle.
    I only help poor people who are honourable.

    Now, you answer this question. Don’t run away.
    Would you help this irresponsible husband if he lost his job ?
    https://shorturl.asia/dMl0p

    Answer please Yes or No is suffice.

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  • Relax:

    A perfectionist farmer wanted to grow kiwi fruits but he wanted only golden kiwis becoz he believed that golden kiwis in nature were rich in vitamins and sweet (considered A grade) which could be sold at a higher price; while green kiwis had a mixed taste of sour and sweet. So he decided to keep only 2 green kiwi seeds (two is enough) and placed his hope on all the golden kiwi seeds. However, nature doesn’t work one way. In terms of dietary fiber, green kiwis have 1.5 times more than golden kiwis.
    So after he realised the mistakes and did some research, he knew he could improve the kiwis by replacing the acidity of the green kiwis with the sweetness of the golden kiwis but the technology was expensive. And he also realised that he only kept 2 green kiwi seeds which was not enough. So while waiting for the kiwis to ripe, he believed that the faster solution was to buy golden kiwis from other sources. Anyway he could still make money.
    However, when he looked back at his own kiwi orchard which was not doing well, he couldn’t understand the problem.
    Is it Space? Water? Sunlight? Climate? Wind walls? Fruit pest? Seeds? Perfectionist farmer?

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  • Clap3:

    You very tokkong. Very good story.

    Relax:
    A perfectionist farmer wanted to grow kiwi fruits but he wanted only golden kiwis becoz he believed that golden kiwis in nature were rich in vitamins and sweet (considered A grade) which could be sold at a higher price; while green kiwis had a mixed taste of sour and sweet. So he decided to keep only 2 green kiwi seeds (two is enough) and placed his hope on all the golden kiwi seeds. However, nature doesn’t work one way. In terms of dietary fiber, green kiwis have 1.5 times more than golden kiwis.
    So after he realised the mistakes and did some research, he knew he could improve the kiwis by replacing the acidity of the green kiwis with the sweetness of the golden kiwis but the technology was expensive. And he also realised that he only kept 2 green kiwi seeds which was not enough. So while waiting for the kiwis to ripe, he believed that the faster solution was to buy golden kiwis from other sources. Anyway he could still make money.
    However, when he looked back at his own kiwi orchard which was not doing well, he couldn’t understand the problem.
    Is it Space? Water? Sunlight? Climate? Wind walls? Fruit pest? Seeds? Perfectionist farmer?

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  • SINGAROAR:

    @Singapore R Free Riders
    Almost everyone has to work.So if you have children, they have to go to daycare unless you are volunteering but looking at all your posts which parent will allow their kid to be babysitted by you? I think Singaporeans are really smart in not having children. Daycare cost, followed by tuition costs, transportation costs is enough to make you a slave to the system.As a couple only, you can travel the region and be happy like Tony Leung and Carina Lau. Let the foreigners be delusional and have kids under the PAP regime. Let them pay for tuition to ensure the children can get tertiary education. After which
    they can experience the Pap bringing in more foreigners with the same job skills.Let them experience the feudal system. We Singaporeans will end our lineage and give the remnants of a 99year assets to other family members because we love our unborn children enough to not allow them to be born and suffer under the PAP govt.

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  • Heard that most Swifties are into LGBT, so if they are bonking their own kind, how to have babies?

    No wonder lightning sponsor Swift’s concert, to promote LGBT so they can import more FTs. lol

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    SINGAROAR:
    @Singapore R Free Riders
    Almost everyone has to work.So if you have children, they have to go to daycare unless you are volunteering but looking at all your posts which parent will allow their kid to be babysitted by you? I think Singaporeans are really smart in not having children. Daycare cost, followed by tuition costs, transportation costs is enough to make you a slave to the system.As a couple only, you can travel the region and be happy like Tony Leung and Carina Lau. Let the foreigners be delusional and have kids under the PAP regime. Let them pay for tuition to ensure the children can get tertiary education. After which
    they can experience the Pap bringing in more foreigners with the same job skills.Let them experience the feudal system. We Singaporeans will end our lineage and give the remnants of a 99year assets to other family members because we love our unborn children enough to not allow them to be born and suffer under the PAP govt.

    I fcuk irresponsible people. They fcuk around, blame others and dump their problem on the state. They are evils people.

    Pray, tell me what’s wrong with my post ?

    Last December 31 at City Hall MRT a young chap smell of liquor came up to me: Bro, can I have 5 dollars to take MRT home?

    I analysed the situation and replied: Why do you spent all your money on drinking but never kept some for your transport home?

    He was angry and replied: Bro, you want to give you give. Ask so many questions for what.

    Wow such atas and cocky attitude. You don’t deserve my help.

    Idiots, irresponsible people.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    FTs good:
    Frankly,our young sgs are mostly irrespectful and self-centred.
    They just want to have their own fun.
    Guys or gals same,very westernised.
    If they get pregnant,they want to abort giving 10 thousand reasons.

    So too some FT-NEW CITIZENS are irrespectful.
    They cannot even walk properly but purpisely knock into elderly sgs.
    I notice Indians,pinoys and malaysians.

    Bring in Taiwanese or even China’s graduates.
    They are more respectful.
    They are genuinely hardworking.
    And,they uphold respect and family values.

    This is my sincere observation.
    Go check it out yourselves.

    Yes,be more selective.
    The Gahmen should try to attract young Taiwanese to come here.
    Even those from China’s top universities .

    If we do that,our TFR will likely improve.
    So too the quality of our NEW CITIZENS from among the PRs/FTs.

    BTW,NO angmohs please!
    They are pretentious and arrogant.
    We have enough of them.
    If our young want to learn good values,angmohs are the worst.

    Look,they have no respect for their parents and teachers.
    They want Free Sex and Free Abortion.
    With them,TFR will go lower.

    At long last, a thinking Opposition who think but racists.

    Yes, be selective.

    Anyone, so long as they are civilized, responsible and respectful person we welcome them to be Singaporean.

    Freedom come with Responsibility

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  • Lucky Escape:

    Alcohol had given the young chap prescient power. He knew that wasn’t the only question. If he answered one, he would face a long list of questions about his sex live. He might even have to agree to make a sex video. All for a “charitable” $5.

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: Last December 31 at City Hall MRT a young chap smell of liquor came up to me: Bro, can I have 5 dollars to take MRT home?

    I analysed the situation and replied: Why do you spent all your money on drinking but never kept some for your transport home?

    He was angry and replied: Bro, you want to give you give. Ask so many questions for what.

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  • most millionsters have gcb:

    Vivian sham and mahbo have gcb.
    Would not be surprised if 90% of millionsters have gcb.
    And 80% of sinkies live in very lease-decayed pigeon-holes.
    These sinkies will continue to vote papiggies to get their GST vouchers; not exactly the smartest of the human race.
    The pigeon-holers think their asset-enhanced 40-year-old HDB will reach a million dollar.
    Mahbo and the rest are cashing out at $50 million a pop.
    Perth, here they come.

    How many GCB Ministers?:
    ”At least five family offices in Singapore linked to 10 accused in S$3B money laundering case​”
    ‘Former minister Mah Bow Tan sells Good Class Bungalow at Holland Rise for $50 mil’

    SBS GM can afford to gain from GCB sale.
    Asset enhancement Minister truly gain from his brilliant ‘asset enhancing’ strategy….too bad for sinkie-hdb-holders staring at their lease-decayed 99=zero pigeon-holes.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Rider:

    Lucky Escape:
    Alcohol had given the young chap prescient power. He knew that wasn’t the only question. If he answered one, he would face a long list of questions about his sex live. He might even have to agree to make a sex video. All for a “charitable” $5.

    Freedom Come With Responsibility.

    I don’t expect idiots like to you understand.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    Calling SINGAROAR, don’t hide. This is the true face of Opposition.

    Look at your Opposition Lucky Escape what kind of scumbag they are.
    Opposition have no moral and disconnected from reality.
    Opposition expect every thing FREE without working for it.
    Opposition expect everyone MUST help him without questioning how he irresponsibly behave himself.

    Singaporeans R Free Riders: I fcuk irresponsible people. They fcuk around, blame others and dump their problem on the state. They are evils people.

    Pray, tell me what’s wrong with my post ?

    Last December 31 at City Hall MRT a young chap smell of liquor came up to me: Bro, can I have 5 dollars to take MRT home?

    I analysed the situation and replied: Why do you spent all your money on drinking but never kept some for your transport home?

    He was angry and replied: Bro, you want to give you give. Ask so many questions for what.

    Wow such atas and cocky attitude. You don’t deserve my help.

    Idiots, irresponsible people.

    Lucky Escape:
    Alcohol had given the young chap prescient power. He knew that wasn’t the only question. If he answered one, he would face a long list of questions about his sex live. He might even have to agree to make a sex video. All for a “charitable” $5.

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  • Singaporeans R Free Riders:

    SINGAROAR, come here. Don’t hide.

    Opposition want EVERY THINGS free without having to work for it.

    This is the true face of Opposition.

    https://www.tremeritus.net/2024/02/25/the-definition-of-insanity/

    Free Healthcare:
    The old uncles are experienced, and they likely lived through the 50s and 60s where healthcare was very cheap. And they probably know that the UK ex colonial master had free healthcare for any decades.

    Free healthcare is a sustainable policy. They know. Unlike some young frogs in the well. They claim there is no free healthcare in the world. These frogs shut their eyes and ears, and scream, “No such thing. No such thing. We sue you for fake news.” FROGS.

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  • Selling GCBs:

    Vivian renting B&W.Have GCB.
    Sham ditto.
    Asset-enhancer Mahbo sold GCB.
    Brother Yang and Sister Ling also sold their GCBs.
    Seems like every Tom, Dick and Harry in pappig have GCBs.
    Harry, of course, living in the hottest GCB now.
    WHY all papiggies cashing out now.
    New citizens-no NS AhTiongs buying up the country.
    Sinkies can go live in public housing…aka pigeon-holes…in Tekong.
    Easier to report for NS camp.

    most millionsters have gcb: you for fake news.” FROGS.

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  • Singaporean R Free Rider:

    FTs good: Frankly,our young sgs are mostly irrespectful and self-centred.
    They just want to have their own fun.
    Guys or gals same,very westernised.
    If they get pregnant,they want to abort giving 10 thousand reasons.

    This is correct. The young had no sense of responsibility like the old.

    But you missed out the 50s, 60s old people who are lazy and unmotivated.
    They are stuck with in their own already past time space and are entitled.

    We must removed lazy and unmotivated foreigners and Singaporeans.
    Start calling up company HR to serve warning letter PIP (Performance Improvement Programme) to employees, both foreigners and Singaporeans who are lazy, unmotivated, behave rudely and badly..

    Only hard driving and hard striving quality foreigners, Singaporeans like CEO Chew and me are allowed to live here.
    https://shorturl.asia/3hDC7

    Please share hard driving and hard striving crow, they are better than lazy and unmotivated Singaporeans.

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  • Spate of Missing Teenagers:

    The spate of missing teenagers, mostly around 14 year olds, is of grave parental concern.

    When found, no further info is given as to how and where they are found. Why and how did they go missing?

    Why the mainstream journalists not doing their part by interviewing the victims and all parties involved in the search?

    Will the authorities enlighten the public on this serious matter of worrying concern?

    What secrecy needs to be exposed so as to make the public more vigilant?

    Why this matter is not be brought into parliament for a serious and thorough discussion on how to solve this alarming Mystery?

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